Let's talk about Zeta!!

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Because I know everyone here just LOOOOVES that show...:D


(I figured *someone* needed to remind people that this show is on-topic, even though nobody here watches it! LMAO)

[James Harvey]

Notice the name of the board? I took 'Zeta' out of it, but it's still on topic...

[batboy2001]

What about Zeta? Not much to discuss.

[Bird Boy]

hey..that's cool. shows how observant I am..:D

-BB

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by DickGrayson
Notice the name of the board? I took 'Zeta' out of it, but it's still on topic...

It's all in the fine print!

[James Harvey]

Yeah, and it's easy to overlook. I'm stil debating whether or not to include that bit of the fine print when I do the board change over. Well, the only half way good Zeta ep was SHADOWS. The rest should be burned. Quickly.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by DickGrayson
Yeah, and it's easy to overlook. I'm stil debating whether or not to include that bit of the fine print when I do the board change over. Well, the only half way good Zeta ep was SHADOWS. The rest should be burned. Quickly.

That the episode with Batman in it? (Sorry, I haven't been watching much either)

[James Harvey]

Yup. The episodes reviewed here at the site if ya wana check out some screengrabs and an opinion.

[joker]

personally i hate the show

[James Harvey]

Join the club.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by batboy2001
What about Zeta? Not much to discuss.

Seriously, the basic concept isn't bad. I don't like the direction they took with it, but I can't see it being absolutely awful...

The characters are...slight, but not beyond the saving point.

I agree that the colours could be darker. Or they could darken the shading to give it harsher lighting. That would make the primary colours stand out more.

Not to step on I.R. Joey's previous thread, but I think it IS possible to change this C-grade show to a B-grade or even B+ grade show. There's a lot of potentially interesting sci-fi elements one could explore here.

My biggest complaint with the show is that it's basically...boring. Not cringe-worthy, but dull and lifeless. No energy. No spark. Its lack of strong supporting characters also hurts the show. The jokes aren't even that funny. I don't mind lightweight cartoons, and I don't mind humour, but it's very uninspired here.

[James Harvey]

I agree. For an action show, it's so...static and lifeless. The only real action the series has seen was possible the crossover episode. The main characters are so one-dimensional. The villians are laughably one-dimensional and majorly cliched. I'd like to see the show break away from it's current concept and have him become more like a vigilante or protector of the innocent. Instead he's on some boring quest, which got repetitive in episode #2

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by DickGrayson
The main characters are so one-dimensional

Also, how could an infiltration unit be so utterly clueless as Zeta is? I've only watched 3 1/2 episodes, but it seems like every 2 minutes Ro (or somebody) says something he totally misinterprets (with lame "comic" results). Let that happen even once when he was undercover and he'd be almost instantly exposed.

Actually, that may be an argument for thinking that Zeta hasn't developed a conscience, but (as Bennett suspects) has suffered some kind of cognitive damage. Dare we hope that when he finds his creator he'll get repaired and then shoot Ro full of holes?

[James Harvey]

Now -- THAT would make for a good conclusion to the series. I'm suprised you haven't reviewed SHADOWS for your site, yet. (Becuase of it's BB affiliation)

[Trent Lane]

have they REALLY done an origin episode with zeta? at least from what i've seen, they never mention how old zeta is, when he was made anyway. that would be intresting to see, at least better than him and ro hiding in a human body exhibit for a good five minutes of an episode. i wonder if zeta's make up is of any relation to the robots of carl rossum from B:TAS?...

[Shriek]

The show is so corny. It is the cheesiest show I have ever seen. I think it should be tinkered with. That way Zeta can look cool by leaving Ro and terroyzing the guys looking for him. The show is just to lame for me.

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by DickGrayson
I'm suprised you haven't reviewed SHADOWS for your site, yet. (Becuase of it's BB affiliation)

I had planned to (like I did "Demon Reborn" and "Knight Time"), but when I saw it I thought it was so lame I decided to just let it go by with a *****y comment at the bottom of the "Zeta" review page.

Added later: Hmmm. First time I've run into the auto-censor.

Bad idea to have it, you know. Now I'm tempted to try to beat it. "Bhitchy"? "Bittchy"?

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by flhero311
have they REALLY done an origin episode with zeta?

I think closest thing to an origin episode was "Zeta" on Batman Beyond. And it wasn't much of an origin episode, just an introduction.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by flhero311
have they REALLY done an origin episode with zeta? at least from what i've seen, they never mention how old zeta is, when he was made anyway. that would be intresting to see, at least better than him and ro hiding in a human body exhibit for a good five minutes of an episode. i wonder if zeta's make up is of any relation to the robots of carl rossum from B:TAS?...

I think Zeta was partly made from the DNA of Adam Sandler.

[Trent Lane]

Originally posted by Leap Larry Jojo


I think Zeta was partly made from the DNA of Adam Sandler.

no, sandler's a little funnier, although after little nicky i have to wonder...:p

[Inque]

no matter what, i still don't like zeta.

to quote adam sandler (or somebody next to adam sandler) from a saturday night live sketch:

Who are the ad wizards that came up with this one?

[Bird Boy]

zeta is well..boring. literally. it's corny. thats why I don't like it. Same story told over and over again.. who would wanna tune in every weekend to see him run some more? It's like the fugitive for kids....but, the fugitive kills ppl, so that's why that shows better..:D

-BB

[DR. BELCH]

Originally posted by Maxie Zeus :
Dare we hope that when he finds his creator he'll get repaired and then shoot Ro full of holes?
No way! Ironically, Ro is the best part of this lackluster-at-best show. As I've said elsewhere, I'd like to see the tin man die and a newer, meaner, edgier Ro come to the fore.
I'm still thinking that sometime undercover Zeta was called upon to perform--ahem--marital duties. While staying in a fancy hotel, Ro gets to questioning him on this and decides why not give him a tumble. Right in the middle of things Bennett bursts in. He, Lee, and West get an eyeful of human-droid carnality; West vomits. Ro is forced to watch her lover die and then goes to prison for aiding/abetting, et cetera, et cetera.
Yes, I am quite mad. :p

[Bird Boy]

lol..I just realized somthing.. this is the most succesful Zeta thread... and I believe it is one of few threads to reach 2 pages in 2 days! :)

-BB

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by Bird_Boy
zeta is well..boring. literally. it's corny. thats why I don't like it. Same story told over and over again.. who would wanna tune in every weekend to see him run some more? It's like the fugitive for kids....but, the fugitive kills ppl, so that's why that shows better..:D

-BB

Well, it doesn't have to be ultra-violent to be cool, but they never tax the characters to their max. You can't care for characters who don't work hard, and the obstacles they throw at them aren't hard enough. I want to see some emotionally taxing episodes, mind-bendingly weird sci-fi, bleakness, hope, humour...

[Shriek]

You can't mix sci-fi and humor together in a cartoon with a robot that just runs and turns into people. He doesn't even hurt people. And his gadgets are lame. THe coolest thing he can do is have that wrist saw and unlimited line of credit. That's about it.

I remember at the old board I posted a Zeta fan fic on the BB board and it was all abotu Zeta getting killed,

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by Shriek
You can't mix sci-fi and humor together in a cartoon with a robot that just runs and turns into people. He doesn't even hurt people. And his gadgets are lame. THe coolest thing he can do is have that wrist saw and unlimited line of credit. That's about it.

I remember at the old board I posted a Zeta fan fic on the BB board and it was all abotu Zeta getting killed,

I don't know what you mean. A witty script can inject good humour into any situation. If a writer can't even mix humour and sci-fi in a script, then he/she is not a very good writer. I don't mean laugh-out-loud humour; even the most serious (or weird) shows can be sardonic or darkly humourous.

I've always believed that a good writer can turn any bad situation into something at least decent. A writer who just gives up and says, "This sucks, I can't make this sucky piece of crap good!" then the writer himself, well, sucks.

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by DR. BELCH

No way! Ironically, Ro is the best part of this lackluster-at-best show. As I've said elsewhere, I'd like to see the tin man die and a newer, meaner, edgier Ro come to the fore.

As long as SOMEONE gets killed, I really don't care. :D


I'm still thinking that sometime undercover Zeta was called upon to perform--ahem--marital duties.

Oh, yes. I LOVE the idea!

You know, the joke all by itself is good, and could be done in a PG way suitable for the actual show. So: Zeta and Ro check into a hotel while pursuing the latest lead. Zeta imitates someone also at the hotel, but his holo-bopper gets stuck and he can't change to anything else. The guy he's imitating is there on his honeymoon, and the bride keeps chasing down Zeta for, well, purposes that are never explicitly stated but pretty plain. With the bride, Ro, two bridegrooms, and Bennett & company running in and out, the stage is set for a slamming door sex farce in which "sex" doesn't have to be mentioned or shown.

Well?

[Bird Boy]

LOL

That sounds like a funny episode. it'd still suck though, cuz the main characters would be in it! :D
Love the idea though...

-BB

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by DR. BELCH

No way! Ironically, Ro is the best part of this lackluster-at-best show. As I've said elsewhere, I'd like to see the tin man die and a newer, meaner, edgier Ro come to the fore.
I'm still thinking that sometime undercover Zeta was called upon to perform--ahem--marital duties. While staying in a fancy hotel, Ro gets to questioning him on this and decides why not give him a tumble. Right in the middle of things Bennett bursts in. He, Lee, and West get an eyeful of human-droid carnality; West vomits. Ro is forced to watch her lover die and then goes to prison for aiding/abetting, et cetera, et cetera.
Yes, I am quite mad. :p

I still think someone should be brainwashed into a vegetable. I propose the victim should be Ro. Then we can easily tweak her personality from there. Frankly, I'm rather proud of that idea. ;)

And we need more chicks.

And weird science experiments.

And make Zeta a cannibal. We can tie this show in with Hannibal.

And make the sun explode, throwing the Earth into a new Ice Age. That would make for some change of scenery. :)

Or we could have the moon crash into Earth, killing millions and starting a concept for a new, after-apocalypse show.

We could create the ultimate villain out of Ro. Make her be the mastermind behind the moon-crashes-into-earth scheme, after completely losing her mind because of Zeta's death. But Zeta didn't die, you see, and he had found a new human lover. Zeta's lover dies in the moon-crashes-into-earth scheme, and Zeta goes hungry for vengeance, Conan style.

[Firefly]

I just don't like it:D

[James Harvey]

We need some Transformer/Voltron/Gundam - esque robot action. Not this dinky "I wanna be real" crud but real robot action.

[Peace Keeper]

Originally posted by DR. BELCH
Ironically, Ro is the best part of this lackluster-at-best show.

Are you on crack? RO sux donkey balls. I think they should make a show staring Bennit and West. They can be partners and investigate X-file type cases. Or go undercover on spy missions.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by Peace Keeper


Are you on crack? RO sux donkey balls. I think they should make a show staring Bennit and West. They can be partners and investigate X-file type cases. Or go undercover on spy missions.

No, no, no more government agents and spies!

We need more Hyperion style science fiction. Ever read Hyperion by Dan Simmons? That's a cool book. Zeta could stand in for the Shrike.

[Maxie Zeus]

Zeta finds his maker, but he's a mad scientist type, see. So this creator kidnaps everybody and (after a detour thru Gotham) takes off for that island in "Out of the Past" with the mind-switching equipment. There, he implants Ro's brain in Zeta's body, Zeta's brain in West's body, West's brain in Max's body, Wayne's brain in Terry's body, Mad Stan's brain in Bennett's body, Ras' brain in Tim Drake's body, Bruce Timm's brain in Paul Dini's body, and my brain in Brad Pitt's body.

And everybody lives happily ever after.

[Inque]

the show needs some more crossover's with batman beyond. bring over some villians that can kick ro and zeta's butt like inque.

[The Mad Hatter]

If we want something bad to happen, I nominate that annoying red-haired agent as the victim. He should get a limb or two blown off, tortured by the Iraqis, mutated into a slavering pile of flesh... anything.

Why he hasn't been fired yet for general incompetence is beyond me.

[DR. BELCH]

Originally posted by Peace Keeper :
Are you on crack?
Nope. I make it a point never to do a drug named after a part of my own a**. :p Seriously, Ro's got spirit. I love a spirited girl.


THE MAD HATTER:
If we want something bad to happen, I nominate that annoying red-haired agent as the victim....Why he hasn't been fired yet for general incompetence is beyond me.
Some might say the same of J in Men in Black...though technically he was neuralized and dismissed, but brought back because his subconcious held clues needed to crack a case. As for Agent West...forget him; why don't Bennett's superiors bust him down to riding a desk somewhere in Bedfart, Wisconsin? Even that kid Bucky managed to figure out how to control and catch Zeta ("Remote Control"), and Bennett can't? One must wonder....

[Shriek]

Originally posted by DickGrayson
We need some Transformer/Voltron/Gundam - esque robot action. Not this dinky "I wanna be real" crud but real robot action.

Zeta reminds me of Pinnochio. Hopefully he'll turn real and just get the hell off of the world.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

By the way, one day in the future, Toonami might air a 1985 Gundam series called ZETA Gundam. Ironically enough, it actually DOES do what a lot of people here are suggesting the writers do with the Zeta Project. That is, in the second half of Zeta Gundam, main characters die at an alarming rate. And they don't come back.

Oh yeah, and one good guy ends up a vegetable by the end of the series (I just had to put this in)

[James Harvey]

Agent J has more merit than Agent West. Agent J is actually useful and a talented agent. Agent West is just a screw up.

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by DickGrayson
AAgent West is just a screw up.

And that's why we love the little knucklehead!

Well, no . . . .;)

[Nightwing]

Originally posted by Peace Keeper
Are you on crack? RO sux donkey balls. I think they should make a show staring Bennit and West. They can be partners and investigate X-file type cases. Or go undercover on spy missions.

Actually I think a safer assumption would be that they're ALL bad. All the characters. I don't really mind Zeta and Ro's corny factor, because what bothers me most is how idiodic these government agents are. Let alone the fact that one of the leading field agents who chase Zeta is a 12 year old. Brilliant! We'll have him captured in no time! Yeesh. That's so stupid.

[I.R Joey]

Goodness guys you have some kinda serious thing against Zeta don't ya.

Again like in my thread they should have Ro and Zeta get together. That will spike ratings, but I doubt KWB would like it.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Definitely needs more girl on robot action.

[Inque]

i thinkk ro will give zeta a little reprogramming to become her slave. zeta can change his appearance to anybody. think of the possibilities.

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by Inque
i thinkk ro will give zeta a little reprogramming to become her slave. zeta can change his appearance to anybody. think of the possibilities.

Of course, I'm sure the writers and character designers on the actual show have had the exact same kind of girl-on-robot fantasies we're talking about. I'd love to see some of the ideas they've cooked up and stuck in a bottom drawer somewhere. . .

[Batman 80]

I agree that Zeta is too light weight of a show but if they made it darker like Batman Beyond I think it could be alot better. Maybe the second season will be like that.

[The Mad Hatter]

No such luck. The increasing command of the execs at Kid's WB is "kid-friendly, dammit!" While being kid-friendly isn't inherently bad, the execs' version of "kid-friendly" is equivelent to "bland and toothless." That's part of why Batman Beyond didn't get picked up for more eps and why the Justice League show will be on Cartoon Network...