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Swag Jenkins

02-20-2009, 09:32 PM

The last thread reached 1,000 posts and it was time to start up a new thread. The thread subtitle is appropriate, since we are going into a new generation for 4Kids. Only one outlet for 4Kids now, which is the CW4Kids. TMNT 2003 looks to be over at the moment and Chaotic is taking off. Where do we go from here? Only time will tell.

Spideyzilla

02-20-2009, 09:41 PM

I'm first! I see they're making CW 4Kids to become 4Kids TV. It's becoming the Game Station. I still think it will indeed be renamed 4Kids TV down the road.

D Dubbs

02-20-2009, 09:51 PM

Well, we can only hope there will be less ranting from CyberCubed in this thread. :sweat:

A new 4Kids thread means a new one of these.

4Kids' Current Properties:

I. Current/Upcoming CW4Kids Programs

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Chaotic is the revolutionary new collectible card game that takes trading card games and online play to the next level. The Chaotic television series follows the adventures of a group of teens who travel to Perim to capture codes of hundreds of unique creatures. The second season of Chaotic, entitled M'arrillian Invasion, currently airs on The CW4Kids.

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Dinosaurs are back, and they're bigger, badder and better than ever. In Dinosaur King, the dino-tastic quests of the D-Team require them to travel anywhere in the world to hunt down dinosaurs that have been lost by the time-traveling Dr. Z and his bumbling team of bad guys. The second season of Dinosaur King currently airs on The CW4Kids.

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When all the King’s horses and all the King’s men couldn’t put Humpty Dumpty back together again, they turned to Dr. Kizami Miyazaki, the King’s top bio-nuclear scientist. Combining Hydrogen, the lightest element with Bombinium, the heaviest, Dr. Miyazaki constructed a polymer matrix to bind Humpty’s pieces back together again. Now known simply as HTDT and with the help of Dr. Miyazaki’s 10-year-old son Axel and his babysitter, the beautiful assistant librarian and teen pop star, Arisa, he battles the forces of evil that regularly threaten the kingdom of Happily Ever After. HTDT is scheduled to air in the near future on The CW4Kids.

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Huntik: Secrets and Seekers features a group of humans known as Seekers who gather the mysterious powers of the Titans and summon them into our world to help protect it. Years have passed since they were last used, and now the new Seekers must find where the Titans have been hidden before the Professor and his evil organization can find them and use them to conquer all of humanity. The first season of Huntik currently airs on The CW4Kids.

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Kamen Rider Dragon Knight is an American adaptation of the live-action Japanese series, Kamen Rider Ryuki. The story features twelve Kaman riders who must defend Ventara against the evil General Xaviax. Kamen Rider: Dragon Knight currently airs on The CW4Kids.

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The world of GoGoRiki is a world of adventure, creativity and friendship. From turning snores into energy, discovering the amazing power of dreams, and even finding a way to make the sun shine on a rainy day, the characters work to solve problems in an unexpected, creative and funny way. The positive values they transmit – friendship, diligence and inventive talent - are timeless. The first season of GoGoRiki currently airs on The CW4Kids.

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Rocket Monkeys is a Flash-animated series featuring a pair simians, Wally and Gus, who were blasted into space. Rocket Monkeys is scheduled to air in the near future on The CW4Kids.

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Based on an original idea by Michael Milligan, RollBots are perfectly round robots that roll at extreme speeds on roller-coaster type tracks through Flip City, a community that contains 11 different tribes of rollbots. Spin is the only bot in Flip City who doesn't have a tribe, but he makes up for it with speed! His hyper-roll mode and powerful Skyv Boots let him pull off amazing moves while he chases down criminals with his fellow cops. RollBots is schedule to premiere in the near future on The CW4Kids.

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Sonic X is about a hedgehog name Sonic who is transported to the human world. Once there, Sonic is rescued by a boy named Chris. Now the race is on to keep Dr. Eggman away from the powerful Chaos Emeralds and from taking over the World. Luckily for Earth, Sonic is the quickest hedgehog around! Reruns of Sonic X currently air on The CW4Kids.

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The most turtle-riffic heroes of all time! Get in on the action with one of the most powerful boys' brands, which has generated over $5 billion in retail sales since its inception. Thrilling kids with their cool ninja moves, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are a classic that keeps adding to its legacy. Season eight, Back to the Sewer, currently airs on The CW4Kids. A feature-length 25th anniversary special is also in development.

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Will is a young boy who constantly searches for adventure. Dewitt is a frog that can transform. Together, Will & Dewitt find several adventures and Dewitt can change into almost any creature to help Will through tough times. Reruns of Will & Dewitt currently air on The CW4Kids.

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Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's is the latest chapter in the Yu-Gi-Oh! franchise. It features brand new duelists, brand new vehicles, brand new storylines and a brand new way of dueling. The first season currently airs on The CW4Kids.

II. Current Online Properties

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Thrill seekers, look no farther than The Adrenaline Project! In each episode, five adventurous teens will dare to compete head-to-head through intense physical challenges. Who will walk away with the prizes and bragging rights? The Adrenaline Project currently streams online at 4KidsTV.com, the official 4Kids website.

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Biker Mice from Mars features the heroic Martian Mice Freedom fighters as they continue to battle forces who seek to destroy them and steal their valuable assets. This time around, it's the evil Catatonians, a cat-like race of creatures who desire the greatest prize on Mars - The Regenerator. Biker Mice from Mars currently streams online at 4KidsTV.com, the official 4Kids website.

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Cubix: Robots for Everyone is a CGI animated series that takes place in the year 2040 in Bubble Town where robots outnumber humans. This show centers on the Botties, a special club for people who know how to fix robots, along with the evil Dr. K., who has evil plans up his sleeve. Cubix currently streams online at 4KidsTV.com, the official 4Kids website.

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Di-Gata Defenders follows the adventures of four warriors as they defend the Realm against the evil Order of Infinis. With the help of powerful Guardians, the heroes will fight to control the destiny of the four pure stones. They are the last line of protection between the good people of Rados and the villains who seek to rule them. Di-Gata Defenders currently streams online at 4KidsTV.com, the official 4Kids website.

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In the land of Fighting Foodons, regular recipes turn in to meal monsters when the art of culinary combat's concocted. King Gorgeous Gorge and his Gluttons have cooked up a devious plan to rule the world and they sprinkled an extra dash of destruction. A young boy named Chase believes that he, his friends, family, and Foodons can change the world one at a time, even if it involves going into battle against the Gluttons. Fighting Foodons currently streams online at 4KidsTV.com, the official 4Kids website.

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Funky Cops is a French animated series about two cops, Jack Kowalski and Ace Anderson, solving crimes while adding in touches of disco, hot rods, 8-Tracks, and of course, funky fuzzy dice. Funky Cops currently streams online at 4KidsTV.com, the official 4Kids website.

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Kirby: Right Back at Ya! is about the adventures of Kirby, a legendary Star Warrior destined to save the planet Pop Star from the destruction of the evil Nightmare. Kirby currently streams online at 4KidsTV.com, the official 4Kids website.

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Magical DoReMi is about the struggles of a 3rd grader named Dorie Goodwyn who, along with her best friends Reanne and Mirabelle, dream of becoming a witch. The Witchlings must go through eight stages of apprenticeship to become full fledged witches and they embark on endless adventures along the way. Magical DoReMi currently streams online at 4KidsTV.com, the official 4Kids website.

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Skunk Fu! surrounds the story of Skunk and his friends, who are in combat with the evil Dragon. Skunk must learn the ways of Kung Fu, while also learning to control himself and avoid getting into trouble. Skunk Fu! currently streams online at 4KidsTV.com, the official 4Kids website.

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Viva Pinata is a vibrant world of living pinata animals, filled with spontaneity and fun. Created by renowned video game developer Rare Ltd., Viva Pinata is a mass entertainment property brought to life by Microsoft and 4Kids Entertainment through video games, television and merchandise. Viva Pinata currently streams online at 4KidsTV.com, the official 4Kids website.

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Winx Club features a young protagonist named Bloom, who travels from Earth to the Alfea School for Fairies to learn how to perfect her magic skills. There she becomes best friends with Stella, Flora, Musa, Layla, and Tecna, five teenage fairies from five different realms. Together the six members of the Winx Club must juggle busy high school schedules, navigate the confusing world of romance, and save the universe all at the same time. Winx Club currently streams online at 4KidsTV.com, the official 4Kids website.

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Yu-Gi-Oh! is the story of a boy named Yugi who love the exciting card game in which players pit monster against monster in high-intensity duels. Since its U.S. launch, Yu-Gi-Oh! has captured the hearts and imaginations of children worldwide, making it the number-one trading card game in the U.S. for three consecutively years. Yu-Gi-Oh! currently streams online at 4KidsTV.com, the official 4Kids website.

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Yu-Gi-Oh! GX is the next chapter of the successful Yu-Gi-Oh! franchise. Aimed at a younger audience, Yu-Gi-Oh! GX features new duelists, new monsters, new challenges and exciting new storylines. Yu-Gi-Oh! GX currently streams online at 4KidsTV.com, the official 4Kids website.

III: Current Non-TV 4Kids Properties

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The American Kennel Club, or AKC, is the nation's leading authority on dog care, health and happiness. 4Sight Licensing Solutions has had great success building brand awareness for the AKC, whose products for dogs and humans are currently available at 4,700 locations.

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The Cabbage Patch Kids - the brand that started as a craze - has evolved into an evergreen property based on traditional nurturing values. Today, with the 25th Anniversary of the brand just around the corner, the magical world of Cabbage Patch Kids is sprouting once again.

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Founded in 1906, the Cat Fanciers' Association is the leading non-profit organization and authority for authenticity and credibility in feline preservation. CFA is also the world's largest pedigree cat society is to protect the well-being of cats and promote responsible cat ownership.

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Jim Henson began as a graphic artist and continued to draw and doodle throughout his career as one of the world's most beloved entertainers in festival and film. Now for the first time, Henson's magical collection of art is transformed into a refreshing collection of lifestyle products. A new daily TV series starts November on PBS Sprout, featuring cuddly, plush puppets to help toddlers sleep at bedtime.

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Based on the hugely popular character pens known as the Kooky Klickers, The Kookys are a unique and fun range of personalities that have redefined “pen pals” for the 21st Century, captivating fans of all ages in the Kooky craze. Already established as a lifestyle brand and building upon the successful Plush range, 4Kids Entertainment will expand The Kookys brand into multiple categories to facilitate the growth of this lifestyle brand.

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Monster Jam events are rip-roarin' live stadium and arena events that blow the roof off traditional sports. Monster Jam has a family-oriented fan base of over 3.2 million and airs twice a week during primetime on Speed Channel.

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At the forefront of international air power for over 80 years, the Royal Air Force of the United Kingdom has a wealth of history that has shaped it into the modern air force of today. 4Kids Entertainment is proud to bring the RAF to market with a large licensing program designed to appeal to both the enthusiast and a new generation of RAF fans.

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The Dog brings you the cutest puppies photographed using a fish-eye lens to create an adorably enhanced image. The highly successful puppy photography franchise from Japan began as a popular line of calendars and postcards. The Dog is the #1 puppy franchise and continues to grow around the world!

veemonjosh

02-20-2009, 10:03 PM

And for archival reasons, here's the previous thread:

http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=220493

CyberCubed

02-20-2009, 10:13 PM

Well I see my name suggestion was actually chosen, that's nice.

I wish 4kids would hype up the finale of TMNT at least a little bit. All those kid posters on 4kidsTV.com are going to have themselves thrown for a loop.

THE 24 king

02-20-2009, 10:29 PM

4kids should hype up the finale of TMNT not a little but a lot it is they only shows that started when fox-box did......... well about 4 month's later but still

Terror of Death

02-20-2009, 10:37 PM

I have a quick question for all those who post in here. What are your top five favorite shows that aired on the FoxBox/4kids TV/Cw4kids? It could be anything no matter how long or how short they lasted on the channel.

My are:
1. TMNT (all three)
2.The Spectacular Spider-man
3.Yu-Gi-Oh (original series)
4.Shaman King
5.Mew Mew Power

Any answers would be appreciated.

J!!!

02-20-2009, 10:43 PM

Mine are in order
1 Chaotic
2 Sonic X
3 Kirby
4 Hutnik
5 TMNT

THE 24 king

02-20-2009, 11:02 PM

1. Shaman King
2. Ultimate Muscle
3. F-Zero: GP Legend
4. Yu-Gi-Oh! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_(second_series_anime))
5. Mew Mew Power
these are mind i love each one but shaman king stands out .

Sonic_Eclipse

02-20-2009, 11:08 PM

1) Sonic X
2) TMNT
3) The Spectacular Spider-Man
4) Shaman King
5) Yu-Gi-Oh!

I long for the day Shaman King gets released on DVD.

Starbro

02-20-2009, 11:18 PM

I don't have a fave 5, so we'll have to settle with just 4.

1. TMNT (except Fast Forward)
2. Winx Club (Yeah, I said Winx Club)
3. Dinosaur King
4. Yu-Gi-Oh!

DonkeyKongSong

02-20-2009, 11:18 PM

For online properties, you missed The Adrenaline Project and Biker Mice from Mars. I should've mentioned that when I started posting in the previous thread. :sweat:

Tay the Cat

02-20-2009, 11:26 PM

My 5:

1. Sonic X
2. Yu-Gi-Oh! (Duel Monsters and GX only)
3. Kirby
4. Dinosaur King
5. Viva Pinata

PC!

02-20-2009, 11:31 PM

1. TMNT
2. Sonic X
3. Spectacular Spider Man
4. Dinosaur King
5. Kamen Rider

D Dubbs

02-20-2009, 11:43 PM

For online properties, you missed The Adrenaline Project and Biker Mice from Mars. I should've mentioned that when I started posting in the previous thread. :sweat:

How about that... :o

As for my top five whows? Hmm...

1. Yu-Gi-Oh! (original) - Even though it was horribly edited, it still remains one of my favorite series. Great character development, intriguing stories, plus a wonderful ending - something that's very rare for most long-running series.

2. Dinosaur King - Not the greatest show by any means, but it's my guilty pleasure with its quirky humor. It's just light-hearted fun, with a touch of seriousness added in here and there. It's also a big step in terms of 4Kids dubbing, with essentially no xenophobic editing of other cultures.

3. Viva Piñata - A great, great series that made me laugh with every episode and truly brought out the kid in me. It's a shame that a quarter of its episodes will probably never air on U.S. television. 4Kids really needs to do more comedy; they're surprisingly good at it.

4. The Spectacular Spider-Man - Meh, what I can I say that hasn't been said? An all-around solid action show.

5. Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's - Takes elements from both previous series, and makes the best of it. I like how there's a good plot, with essentially a criminal underdog as the protagonist, and how the duels are never dragged out too long like they were in the original series. Also gets points for being one of the first Saturday morning cartoons in widescreen, plus having one of the best (if not the best) theme song 4Kids has produced.

Keep in mind, I never really watched Fox Box/4Kids TV until 2006, so I missed out on most of TMNT, Shaman King, Ultimate Muscle, Sonic X...etc. Also, Kamen Rider and Huntik could both potentially join the list, but I don't feel fair ranking them with only seven episodes aired.

CyberCubed

02-21-2009, 12:00 AM

Does Pokemon count? I know it never aired on 4kids, but it was their dub for 8 years.

Light Lucario

02-21-2009, 12:31 AM

I guess I'll go next.

1. Yu-Gi-Oh! (original): Even though the series was edited, I still enjoy it to this day. It was one of the first anime series that I got into and it has Atem, one of my favorite anime characters in generall in it.

2. Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's: I think this series has done a great job with having important duels for the plot as well as character development. I still give it a lot of credit for having strong female characters, something the other two Yu-Gi-Oh! seriously lacked in. Plus, I really love the theme song.

3. Dinosaur King: I like this show for its light-hearted humor and action. It has its serious moments with the plot, but it's still a good show to watch for fun.

4. Yu-Gi-Oh! GX: Yeah, I like Yu-Gi-Oh! a lot. Even though this series had its share of flaws, I always thought that it was enjoyable. It had a large group of characters and while few really got a chance to shine in the series, I still liked their different personalities and I also thought that the series improved with each new season. It would be nice if they finished dubbing the series someday too.

5. Winx Club: Even though I usually don't like extremely girly things, despite being a girl, I've always seen Winx Club as a gulity pleasure. I don't know if it was the plot, the voices or the use of magic that got me into the series, but I just find it overall enjoyable.

Just so people know, the reason why I didn't put TMNT on the list is because I didn't see the series until those repeats on CN came on and since I didn't see a new episode of the series until Fast Foreword came along, I thought that I shouldn't put it on the list.

Terror of Death

02-21-2009, 12:49 AM

Does Pokemon count? I know it never aired on 4kids, but it was their dub for 8 years.

I don't mind at all but would you mind making your list a top six so I can see what would have been show #5?

Pokemon would be #2 on my revised list, thus bumping everything else down one peg.

mumbo

02-21-2009, 01:04 AM

Um, basically in order, but I liked these shows all about the same, so here goes:

- TMNT - Such a great action cartoon, a long story with many intertwining arcs, and just overall fantastic quality. This series has been talked to death here so I won't go on anymore.
- Viva Pinata - A just plain clever comedy series. Very well written, and only got better as the series progressed - it went out on top as far as quality goes. Absolutely hilarious. This show is such a ridiculously overlooked and underrated gem it's not even funny. Luckily it still got 52 episodes regardless of getting repeatedly shafted airing-wise, and luckily since I'm in Canada I got to see the whole series.
- Shaman King - One of 4Kids' best dubs despite name changes. The original spirit and tone of the series was kept and while the overall story was about as generic as it gets, there was something about the characters and the feel of the show that just drew me in. Like Ultimate Muscle, Pokemon, Viva Pinata, and TMNT, the 4Kids voice actors were at their best here, putting a lot of their other work to shame, and transcending the stupidly placed accents.
- Ultimate Muscle - Probably 4Kids' best dub. Again name changes were the order of the day, but some of the additions to the show were improvements (whether diehards agree with me or not is another story, but I think the fact that the Ultimate Muscle anime performed well in the US and tanked in Japan is an indicator). This series doesn't hold up compared to its predecessor Kinnikuman, but very few series can, and this was a pretty great series in its own right.
- Yu-Gi-Oh! original - One of 4Kids' worst dubs actually, but the series shone through that. I thoroughly enjoyed watching the whole run, even the parts that fans pan. Even though Dawn of the Duel wasn't true to the source material (I'm not entirely sure about this but it's what I keep hearing) I still loved watching it. Good storytelling, good animation and art direction, good characters, and while GX can't stand up to it in terms of quality at all, 5D's is actually carrying the torch pretty well.

I left off Spectacular Spider-Man simply for the reason that it has nothing to do with 4Kids and was really just a remnant of Kids' WB. I like it just as much as the series I listed, if not more than some of them, so.

Terror of Death

02-21-2009, 02:11 AM

I decided to make my top five response more in depth like the others. :sweat:

1. TMNT (all three) - My favorite non anime cartoon. I love practically everything about it. I discussed this in another thread so I'll just copy my response from there:
Awesome fight scenes that were long and nicely choreographed, memorable characters, fluid animation, unique cinematography that had a lot of attention to detail, a larger than life universe featuring numerous characters and wonderfully developed and intertwining story arcs, comic book crossovers, lots of rewatchability, a plethora of cool gadgets, weapons, and vehicles, occasional instances of mature storytelling and realistic violence, a perfect blend of sci-fi, action, comedy, and traditional Japanese elements, long reaching continuity. This show had everything I ever wanted in a cartoon and more. If I ever get the chance to work on a cartoon I could only dream it would be half as good as TMNT.

2.The Spectacular Spider-man - One of the best superhero cartoons. Good dialogue, well executed fight scenes, very fluid animation, awesome presentation, and a nice sense of humor. I also like the strong continuity.

3.Yu-Gi-Oh - (original series) - I love the campy dub, the memorable main characters, and the monster designs. I became a huge Yugioh fan because of the show and I still am a fan to this day. I buy the manga (which I prefer) and the videogames but I don’t watch the new series'. My favorite sagas were Duelist Kingdom, Battle City, KC Grand Prix, and Millennium World.

4.Shaman King - I also prefer the manga to this show but the anime was good too. It had good pacing, nice character development, epic battles, and it made me laugh a few times. I also thought some of the story arcs were interesting and well written.

5.Mew Mew Power - I'm normally not into these kinds of shows but it had good animation and I liked the character designs a lot. I honestly don’t remember much about it but I watched all the episode 4kids aired so it must have been decent enough.

Special #2 (4kids Dub episodes)Pokemon - One of 4kids best dubs. It got me into anime and I still watch it to this day. I liked it because the characters were great and it was like no other show out there when it first came out. I liked seasons 1 and 2, disliked the Johto episodes, and thought the Hoen episodes was decent mostly due to May and the the contest episodes.

Pogorikifan24

02-21-2009, 05:54 AM

My favs that air FoxBox/4Kids/CW4Kids is...

1. GoGORiki
2. Kirby
3. Sonic X
4. Viva Pinata
5. Huntik

creativerealms

02-21-2009, 08:05 AM

1: The Turtles: Really i don't think this was a hard choice.
2: Shaman King: Somehow something went right with this dub even for 4kids.
3: Ultimate Muscle: same here 4kids unique dub work actually seemed to work in favor of this show.
4: Viva Piñata: You need a simple comedy to break up the action from time to time and this show did nicely.
5: Huntik: If the show continues the way it's going it may be number two but right now it's too early. Still I'm loving the story, characters and actions and well everything about this show.

Pogorikifan24

02-21-2009, 10:38 AM

Well, i got up at 2pm trying to wait til GGR is on. soooo... I Watched it, and i got the ep title. here it is.

Truffle Trouble
Pluto's Hero
The Funhouse (Which seems to be weird about the title). To find out what the episodes about. visit youtube and type in GoGORiki, but it's only in Russian Languange.

Gold Guy

02-21-2009, 12:33 PM

My top 5 are:

1. Sonic X
2. Digimon
3. Avengers
4. Mew Mew Power
5. Yu-Gi-Oh 5Ds.

CyberCubed

02-21-2009, 03:27 PM

When does 4kids announce their earnings reports again? I remember D Dubbs said in March, but what is the date exactly? Its Feb. 21st now.

I bet that fat cat Alfred J. Kahn confirms the final nail in the coffin for TMNT.

RonDrakenfan17

02-21-2009, 04:16 PM

Yugioh was the only thing I ever watched on this thing. I'm afraid to watch Yugioh 5D, I watch the Jappaness version and know theres a lot of different stuff in it good different stuff. I fear some of it might get cut :(

bigddan11

02-21-2009, 05:04 PM

My top 5 are:

1. Sonic X
2. Digimon
3. Avengers
4. Mew Mew Power
5. Yu-Gi-Oh 5Ds.
Neither Digimon nor Avengers ever aired on a 4Kids block. They have been on Fox Kids, Jetix, and now Disney XD, but seeing as they are asking for favorite shows from the 4Kids era, then they couldn't make the list.

D Dubbs

02-21-2009, 06:19 PM

When does 4kids announce their earnings reports again? I remember D Dubbs said in March, but what is the date exactly? Its Feb. 21st now.

I'm pretty sure it'll be March 16th this year.

Pogorikifan24

02-21-2009, 08:41 PM

Will Kirby Come Back?

THE 24 king

02-21-2009, 08:50 PM

Kirby might come back doing the summer if not then never. it ended like in 2005.

mysterygirl

02-21-2009, 09:12 PM

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When all the King’s horses and all the King’s men couldn’t put Humpty Dumpty back together again, they turned to Dr. Kizami Miyazaki, the King’s top bio-nuclear scientist. Combining Hydrogen, the lightest element with Bombinium, the heaviest, Dr. Miyazaki constructed a polymer matrix to bind Humpty’s pieces back together again. Now known simply as HTDT and with the help of Dr. Miyazaki’s 10-year-old son Axel and his babysitter, the beautiful assistant librarian and teen pop star, Arisa, he battles the forces of evil that regularly threaten the kingdom of Happily Ever After. HTDT is scheduled to air in the near future on The CW4Kids.

I have mixed feelings after reading this summary, but hopefully, the Canadian animation team know what they're doing on this unusual spin of a classic tale. O__O There's two things I can easiy tell straight out of this summary. 1) Definitely influenced by anime so I'm expecting to see an Asian-fusion Western type of artwork. Did not expect them to choose Japanese names though. 2) Someone in the creative team, a Kingdom Hearts fan? >D That's an unusual name for a 10-year-old son. It's not even a Japanese name...but oh well.. *shrugs*

As far as current shows go on CW... Huntik and Kamen Rider are the only shows that I stop by. Although, I already watched all of Huntik on the Tube, the TV just makes it nicer to see it bigger. Pre-4kids TV, it would be Kirby, Sonic X, TMNT, Teen Titans, The Batman, Shaman King, etc..

Shift

02-21-2009, 09:18 PM

^^^

So, HTDT is coming after all? I remember someone posting some concept art a while back. It was not pretty.

D Dubbs

02-21-2009, 09:18 PM

I wouldn't expect to see Kirby back anytime soon, as there's still a ton of new material that 4Kids has to premiere.

I have mixed feelings after reading this summary, but hopefully, the Canadian animation team know what they're doing on this unusual spin of a classic tale. O__O There's two things I can easiy tell straight out of this summary. 1) Definitely influenced by anime so I'm expecting to see an Asian-fusion Western type of artwork. Did not expect them to choose Japanese names though. 2) Someone in the creative team, a Kingdom Hearts fan? >D That's an unusual name for a 10-year-old son. It's not even a Japanese name...but oh well.. *shrugs*

Actually, HTDT is being done by Animation Collective, an American company based in New York. Their other shows include Kappa Mikey and Three Delivery for Nicktoons, so I'm not really surprised to see the anime influence.

Terra Branford

02-21-2009, 09:32 PM

I wouldn't expect to see KirbyActually, HTDT is being done by Animation Collective, an American company based in New York. Their other shows include Kappa Mikey and Three Delivery for Nicktoons, so I'm not really surprised to see the anime influence.

I don't like the animation of either Kappa Mikey or Three Deliver but the show does seem cute after reading the summary. Is there a trailer for this show already?

D Dubbs

02-21-2009, 09:43 PM

Not quite...but here's a slideshow: http://www.animationcollective.com/HTDT.html

bigddan11

02-21-2009, 09:58 PM

Kirby might come back doing the summer if not then never. it ended like in 2005.
Kirby may have had the series finale in 2005, but it was airing on 4Kids TV during the last year and just ended in December 2008.

THE 24 king

02-21-2009, 10:13 PM

the only reason why Kirby was airing on 4kidstv because they had the for need shows to take up space because all of there good shows went to cw4kids besides chaotic.

Blackstar

02-21-2009, 10:17 PM

the only reason why Kirby was airing on 4kidstv because they had the for need shows to take up space because all of there good shows went to cw4kids besides chaotic.

Yeah, but for 3 years? The CW4Kids wasn't launched until last year. I didn't care for Kirby myself, but some people had to have been watching it for it to stay on the air for as long as it did, especially considering that there hasn't been a new episode of Kirby since 2006.

DonkeyKongSong

02-21-2009, 10:18 PM

Kirby actually ended in 2006. There were 7 episodes that didn't air during the series' initial run that aired in 2006.

Terra Branford

02-21-2009, 10:34 PM

Not quite...but here's a slideshow: http://www.animationcollective.com/HTDT.html

Not that bad if you ask me. I'll wait until more news comes out for better judgement though to be sure.

Pogorikifan24

02-21-2009, 10:59 PM

So... I Guess Kirby will return in 2010 or Winter 09 or Summer 09. Besides the 24 King, your just like my dad said that. that it will come til summer.

THE 24 king

02-21-2009, 11:06 PM

when you look at the shows they had on at the time then u you would see why Kirby was on

mysterygirl

02-21-2009, 11:18 PM

Actually, HTDT is being done by Animation Collective, an American company based in New York. Their other shows include Kappa Mikey and Three Delivery for Nicktoons, so I'm not really surprised to see the anime influence.

I see. Then nevermind of seeing any kind of potential for HTDT. =_= Not that I was expecting much to begin with.. Eh....

CyberCubed

02-21-2009, 11:22 PM

Why did Nintendo let 4kids keep the license to Kirby when they took Pokemon away from them?

I realize Kirby is done and over, but howcome 4kids still owns the rights?

Gonzales

02-21-2009, 11:26 PM

They probably bought a long-term lease on it, thinking it would be a hit.

It'll expire eventually, now that both companies are basically enemies.

Pogorikifan24

02-22-2009, 12:18 AM

when you look at the shows they had on at the time then u you would see why Kirby was on

Well, I Don't think it's true. this is making me cry about it so bad.

THE 24 king

02-22-2009, 12:21 AM

just watch it on there website 4kids there you go ......................

Pogorikifan24

02-22-2009, 12:26 AM

Why did Nintendo let 4kids keep the license to Kirby when they took Pokemon away from them?

I realize Kirby is done and over, but howcome 4kids still owns the rights?

Because, Pokemon was the very first 4Kids Show that had been airing a while. and in 2001 or 2002 they decide to dub Kirby for thier rights of 4kids Entertainment.

and GoGORiki AKA Smeshariki of course, was the only show that aired on a different country, not Japan. It was in Moscow,Russia. Fun Game Media is the Company of Russia to impress kids and parents to enjoy it. Besides i just hope what does the merchandise come out. :).

Pogorikifan24

02-22-2009, 12:27 AM

Gasp..... Take off the link, or you will get banned. :(

mumbo

02-22-2009, 12:59 AM

Why did Nintendo let 4kids keep the license to Kirby when they took Pokemon away from them?

I realize Kirby is done and over, but howcome 4kids still owns the rights?
Because Pokemon's a much, much larger franchise than Kirby, hence Nintendo setting up their own division for it, PUSA, and they wanted to centralize it. They took control of the Pokemon TCG from Wizards of the Coast a year or two before taking the anime from 4Kids, so it's just about them having sole control of the property and securing all of the revenue from it for themselves. Obviously they had no problem with how 4Kids was dubbing the series seeing as their own dub is basically the same just with different voices.

Whereas Kirby isn't all that big in comparison, and I think the series was already finished production by the time PUSA took over Pokemon so there was no point in taking it over. I mean all that's come out for Kirby in the last few years is a few moderately successful DS games, so Nintendo isn't all that concerned with the property anyway. And it was a success for 4Kids, one of the most-watched shows on their sit, and it fits their current Game Station identity, so 4Kids wants to keep renewing the license.

Pogorikifan24

02-22-2009, 10:09 AM

Do you think Kirby is Similar to HTDT Character.

Terror of Death

02-22-2009, 01:03 PM

Do you think Kirby is Similar to HTDT Character.

They have the same type of body shape but other than that I don't see how their similar. And HTDT hasn't aired yet so its too soon to make a comparison.

CyberCubed

02-22-2009, 01:33 PM

Pogorikifan24

02-22-2009, 02:25 PM

the GoGORiki Episode to be only 1 ep i thinked of...

''Bad Luck Bigo''

It's about Bigo tells Bobo that he has Bad Luck. so Bobo helps Bigo try to help his Bad Luck Problem. its only on Youtube.

Only Russian Language

Terror of Death

02-22-2009, 02:45 PM

So next week is quite possibly the final ep of TMNT.

Is 4kids doing anything at all to hype up the finale? Where are the adverts? Where is the promotion? Where is the "THIS IS THE LAST EP EVER!" promotional advertisements?

All they have is a lousy preview clip on their site, and is that all? Don't you think they should have TMNT go out with a bang?

Its almost like 4kids doesn't even care anymore. TMNT put them on the map back in 2003. Who would have tuned into the FoxBox if TMNT did not exist back in 2003?

You'd think they'd let this show end with a bang and not a whimper.

Not every cartoon has their last episode promoted. And whats the big deal anyway? The same audience who watches this show every week is going to watch it regardless. I doubt the ratings would spike all that dramatically had it been advertised.

CyberCubed, it seems like you care more about the show getting the star treatment, receiving more episodes, and getting closure more than you care about the show itself. Just sit back, enjoy the last episode, and wait for the DTV like everybody else. Your love for this show ranges on fanaticism. I'm not saying that too be mean its just that you’ve been acting a bit too riled up over the past couple of months.

Serious question, why are you so mad? It’s a great show and all but damn, you act like this was the greatest cartoon ever.

Terra Branford

02-22-2009, 02:48 PM

So next week is quite possibly the final ep of TMNT.I didn't even know this.

I don't see a problem with them not advertising "quite possibly" the last episode of TMNT. If it is, then they'll probably give it a nod at the end of the episode.

mumbo

02-22-2009, 02:57 PM

Well it's really not the last episode since they're airing the DTV as three episodes. I imagine that's where all the hype for the end of the series will go.

TMNT put them on the map back in 2003. Who would have tuned into the FoxBox if TMNT did not exist back in 2003?
Kirby and Ultimate Muscle put the FoxBox on the map.

TMNT just got a few more hardcore cartoon fans to watch.

CyberCubed

02-22-2009, 03:08 PM

CyberCubed, it seems like you care more about the show getting the star treatment, receiving more episodes, and getting closure more than you care about the show itself.

Back in early January I just rewatched all 155 episodes of TMNT in order. Every single episode prior to this Saturday's "Super Powered Struggle."

Having seen every episode of the series back to back (I watched about 3-4 episodes a day to speed through it), I realized how good this show was. I remember asking myself, "Was TMNT really that good or is it just false memory?"

So I actually sat down and rewatched through all the aired episodes again, and it was fantastic. There was a step-down in writing in the transition to FF and BTTS, but I still enjoyed those seasons as well.

This show deserved a better sendoff.

Serious question, why are you so mad? It’s a great show and all but damn, you act like this was the greatest cartoon ever.

Dude, this is not "just another cartoon."

This is TMNT. This is one of the longest-lasting American-produced action cartoons on the air. 7 seasons and 156 total episodes and a DTV. This was THE cartoon. It was intended to be the longest-lasting action cartoon on the planet, and now we're not going to get there, since the original 80's cartoon has it beat by 193 total episode count compared to 156.

On top of that, this is the 25th anniversary of the TMNT franchise. At the 4kids Comic Con conference the tag line was, "25 years and still going strong" which is damn false advertising, because its not "still going strong" if you're "pulling the plug."

The fact that the show is likely to end on a cliffhanger is also incredibly annoying. How can they let a show like this end without a proper ending?! It'd be like DBZ ending with Goku staring at Frieza instead of killing him.

Its an insult to the fanbase and shows that 4kids has still not learned from their mistakes in the past. Alfred Kahn is still the devil, and 4kids still goes out of their way to screw over the fanbase in every way possible.

Now, if we did get proper closure, I wouldn't be bothered by all this.

PC!

02-22-2009, 03:15 PM

Pogorikifan24

02-22-2009, 03:35 PM

Light Lucario

02-22-2009, 03:43 PM

Because, as you said, it's POSSIBLY the last ep of Ninja Turtles. 4Kids would really be shooting themselves in the foot if they advertised it as the final episode and then struck a deal to make more episodes, say, a year down the road.

That's how I see it too since it is still possible for more episodes to be made later on. Not a guarantee thing either, but it is possible. Besides that, they're still going to air the DTV and count that as three episodes so it wouldn't make sense to really call this the last episode anyway with airing the DTV later this year.

Pogorikifan24

02-22-2009, 03:44 PM

I Could get this right about the schedule. first, TMNT: BTTS Will be replaced with Rollbots this summer, then in fall, Chaotic Season 2 will be moved to Disney XD, and Will and Dewitt will be Replaced them with Winx Club, Rocket Monkeys, and HTDT. and Finally in 2010 (i think) Dinosaur King will be ended and replace with Kirby til Summer 2010, and kirby will later be replace with Dinosaur King Season 2.

(I am just guessing)

Terror of Death

02-22-2009, 03:47 PM

Dude, this is not "just another cartoon."

Here lies the problem. I could understand you getting worked up if this show was super popular but its not and it never will be. Besides the hardcore TMNT fans and a few kids the size of 2k3's fanbase can be called decent at best. Nobody but us cares whether this show was screwed over or not. Only a few people even know or acknowledge that this was one of the greatest cartoons of all time. It may not have been given the “perfect treatment” but your kidding yourself if you think 4kids never gave it the star treatment.

I agree its extremely frustrating and if I had the power or the money to change things I would do so at the drop of a hat. But the world isn’t always fair. Just be thankful for what we got.

You can complain everyday for the rest of your life but nothings going to come of it.

CyberCubed

02-22-2009, 03:50 PM

Nobody but us cares whether this show was screwed over or not. Only a few people even know or acknowledge that this was one of the greatest cartoons of all time. It may not have been given the “perfect treatment” but your kidding yourself if you think 4kids never gave it the star treatment.

That may be so, but the least 4kids could do is wrap it up properly given how good treatment they gave it in the past. Either one more 13 eps season or a second DTV would do nicely. If the show got a proper ending, similar to the way Season 5 ended, I wouldn't be half as angry as I am now.

As I said, most of the older characters are wrapped up. Its just this whole 3 Shredder thing and Darius/Dark Turtles that I want closure for.

You can complain everyday for the rest of your life but nothings going to come of it.

I won't complain for the rest of my life, but for the time being there is plenty to be frustrated about.

Terror of Death

02-22-2009, 03:58 PM

I won't complain for the rest of my life, but for the time being there is plenty to be frustrated about.

I pretty sure we heard you loud and clear the first time. There's really no need to remind us of the situation every chance you get.

CyberCubed

02-22-2009, 03:59 PM

I pretty sure we heard you loud and clear the first time. There's really no need to remind us of the situation every chance you get.

I asked what is 4kids doing to promote the finale, which pertains to next week. Its you who asked me why I was so angry.

Terror of Death

02-22-2009, 04:13 PM

I asked what is 4kids doing to promote the finale, which pertains to next week. Its you who asked me why I was so angry.

I did ask you that but from now on could not bring up any discussion of TMNT's future or bad treatment unless some new information on the situation is released? I'm begging you. :(

Tay the Cat

02-22-2009, 04:28 PM

That may be so, but the least 4kids could do is wrap it up properly given how good treatment they gave it in the past. Either one more 13 eps season or a second DTV would do nicely. If the show got a proper ending, similar to the way Season 5 ended, I wouldn't be half as angry as I am now.

As I said, most of the older characters are wrapped up. Its just this whole 3 Shredder thing and Darius/Dark Turtles that I want closure for.

As we keep saying (and you keep ignoring) MOST programs DON'T get proper closure.

This isn't the first time and certainly won't be the last. Deal with it.

CyberCubed

02-22-2009, 05:11 PM

^ But this situation is different.

TMNT is produced by 4kids, aired on 4kids block, and is written by 4kids.

4kids has total control over their own property. 4kids should have given their own property a proper closure. If TMNT was airing on Cartoon Network or something, then I agree nothing can be done about it.

But this is 4kids ON 4kids. If they let it end on a cliffhanger, it goes to show you 4kids is still the evil money-grubbing corporation they were in the past, leading all the way up to that fat cat Alfred J. Kahn in charge, who is like the "George Bush" of the children's entertainment industry.

We deserved better than this.

mumbo

02-22-2009, 05:36 PM

4kids has total control over their own property.
No they don't. They have control over when and where it airs and what goes into each specific episode, but for the overall property they only have a third of the say.

Chaotic they have complete control over because they totally bought it out from the creator. It's a lesson they learned from the difficulties of TMNT and the way they lost Pokemon. Kahn said so himself.

CyberCubed

02-22-2009, 05:39 PM

No they don't. They have control over when and where it airs and what goes into each specific episode, but for the overall property they only have a third of the say.

Yeah, but they still have control as to whether the final ep of a season ends with a cliffhanger or a decent ending.

If 4kids knew Playmates was jerking them around, they also had the power to it a conclusion.

But I don't blame the 4kids writers, they made the show as good as it is. Rather, I blame the higher-ups like Al Kahn and his cronies, the people who don't care if the show gets an ending and are just pulling the plug because it costs them money.

I have to place the blame on someone. I don't blame Peter Laird or the 4kids writers like Lloyd Goldfine, but I blame the 4kids execs and Playmates execs, for royally screwing us over.

Watch Al Kahn blame TMNT again in their next annual report in March. Oh boy, I cannot wait to read it.

mumbo

02-22-2009, 05:51 PM

Watch Al Kahn blame TMNT again in their next annual report in March. Oh boy, I cannot wait to read it.
He's supposed to lie and say the property isn't losing them money? :shrug:

Earnings report is for shareholder information, it isn't really meant for fans to read or really care about. Of course he's going to talk about the economics of the company's properties, that's the whole point of the report - this isn't some fan convention or something.

D Dubbs

02-22-2009, 05:53 PM

Rather, I blame the higher-ups like Al Kahn and his cronies, the people who don't care if the show gets an ending and are just pulling the plug because it costs them money.

Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? Guess what, CyberCubed? They can't produce a show if they don't have any money to make it happen.

Watch Al Kahn blame TMNT again in their next annual report in March. Oh boy, I cannot wait to read it.

And so what if he does? Those are solid facts that company accountants come up with, not just some random guesses.

Terror of Death

02-22-2009, 05:56 PM

I have to place the blame on someone. I don't blame Peter Laird or the 4kids writers like Lloyd Goldfine, but I blame the 4kids execs and Playmates execs, for royally screwing us over.

There businessmen. If the series isn't making as much money as they want they have the right to pull the plug.

Doesn't matter how good a show is, artistic integrity be damned when you care more about the almighty dollar. That's just the way of the world.

CyberCubed

02-22-2009, 06:09 PM

The show isn't doing horribly. Its the lack of support from Playmates and Al Kahn wanting to turn every show into a monster battler theme. You cannot forget one of the pitches for TMNT was for the Turtles to be trapped in a cyberworld board game. LOL!

I bet, come next week, if the new episode really does end with a cliffhanger, there will be a ton of complaining from other TMNT fans.

I can only hope that last episode doesn't leave us hanging, because if it does it shows that 4kids has no respect for their fanbase.

And don't tell me kids won't care, because I remember when I was 10 years old watching my favorite cartoons, I knew when something never got an ending or when something odd happened in a show I liked.

Kids are smarter than people give them credit for.

Terror of Death

02-22-2009, 06:25 PM

Your like a cross between a broken record and a brick wall. Nothing we say gets through to you and you keep repeating the same things.

I'm starting to wonder if your doing this just to be funny or you simply have nothing better to do.

CyberCubed

02-22-2009, 06:28 PM

Well, then there is nothing else to say, if there is no ending next week, I'm done with 4kids.

D Dubbs

02-22-2009, 07:17 PM

Well, then there is nothing else to say, if there is no ending next week, I'm done with 4kids.

And I'm sure they'll mourn over that loss...or not.

Although, I kind of doubt that the last episode will just end on a random cliffhanger. They were still working on making these final episodes when the rumors of the show ending started, so they probably made some adjustments, assuming it wasn't too late in the production process.

THE 24 king

02-22-2009, 10:45 PM

awwwwwwwwww CyberCubed all you do is go on an on about this if you want to talk about TMNT so bad there is a thread for that.

Pogorikifan24

02-22-2009, 10:56 PM

Well, I was at wikipedia, and checking about the CW4Kids. But, It saids that Skunk Fu! will later be on Disney XD.

D Dubbs

02-22-2009, 11:01 PM

Well, I was at wikipedia, and checking about the CW4Kids. But, It saids that Skunk Fu! will later be on Disney XD.

Yeah, I just deleted that. It's on Cartoon Network now, and there's no evidence that it'll be moving to XD.

Pogorikifan24

02-22-2009, 11:05 PM

Zim: Curse you Dubbs, CURSE YOOOOOOOOOOOUU

Burgundy Ranger

02-23-2009, 11:21 AM

I e-mailed our 4Kids contact and got the TBA's cleared up for this week. So, I've copied Dubbs' original post and just filled in the blanks on GGR and YGO:

07:00 AM Will and Dewitt - Keeper of the Key; Willblasting (#25)
07:30 AM Chaotic: M'arillian Invasion - Colosseum Showdown (#44)
08:00 AM Sonic X - The Last Resort (#9) The CW Network Premiere
08:30 AM GoGoRiki - Social Butterfly; Bobo & Bees; The Costume Party (#14) World Dub Premiere
09:00 AM Dinosaur King - Planes, Trains and Dinosaurs (#42) U.S. Dub Premiere
09:30 AM Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Back to the Sewer - Wedding Bells and Bytes (#156) SEASON/SERIES(?) FINALE (World Premiere)
10:00 AM Chaotic: M'arrillian Invasion - Tale of Two Toms (#54) World Premiere
10:30 AM Huntik: Secrets & Seekers - Absent Heroes (#9) U.S. Dub Premiere
11:00 AM Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's - The Fortune Cup Finale, Part 1 (#25) World Dub Premiere
11:30 AM Kamen Rider Dragon Knight - Kamen Rider Thrust (#9) World Premiere

Poweranimals

02-23-2009, 12:51 PM

While we're on the subject, do you have any of the March schedule yet?

Burgundy Ranger

02-23-2009, 04:00 PM

While we're on the subject, do you have any of the March schedule yet?
For 4Kids, not yet. But it IS that time of the month. :D

spidey4545

02-23-2009, 04:29 PM

For 4Kids, not yet. But it IS that time of the month. :D

It's not out yet since they're still working out the listings for the end of the month...possibly due to a scheduling change...will TMNT, Will and Dewitt, or something else be dropped from the schedule??

From what I hear, the finalized schedule will be out near the end of the week.

CyberCubed

02-23-2009, 04:42 PM

If TMNT leaves the schedule, even in reruns, its proof its not returning in the Fall.

Starbro

02-23-2009, 04:48 PM

If TMNT leaves the schedule, even in reruns, its proof its not returning in the Fall.

I don't wish to sound like a jerk, but please stop with the gloom and doom rantings about TMNT, Cyber Cubed. Nothing has been confirmed yet, and even if TMNT is done, then that's just the breaks. Stop moaning like it's the end of the world. TMNT is just a TV show. Seriously, get over it.

spidey4545

02-23-2009, 05:19 PM

creativerealms

02-23-2009, 05:51 PM

Cubed Proof will be when 4kids finally says the show is over and not a second before.

DonkeyKongSong

02-23-2009, 06:03 PM

My guess is that the delay is because Will and Dewitt will be removed from the schedule after its final airing of episode 26 on March 7 and they're probably still figuring out what to air in that timeslot. I don't think it TMNT will be removed as of now.

I guess then we'll see which theory is true:

- Is RollBots an e/i show? I saw the three episodes that aired in Canada and I guess I can see the educational content in it.
- Is Winx Club coming to the CW4Kids? (Come to think of it, isn't season 4 supposed to start this month in Italy?)
- Will they double up on GoGoRiki?
- Or just rerun Will & Dewitt for the fourth time? (This is what I am not hoping for.)

Pogorikifan24

02-23-2009, 06:38 PM

I guess then we'll see which theory is true:

- Is RollBots an e/i show? I saw the three episodes that aired in Canada and I guess I can see the educational content in it.
- Is Winx Club coming to the CW4Kids? (Come to think of it, isn't season 4 supposed to start this month in Italy?)
- Will they double up on GoGoRiki?
- Or just rerun Will & Dewitt for the fourth time? (This is what I am not hoping for.)

I Think Option 1, But 3 Way better than 1. so Option 3. Then it will be double the Rikis, Double the Fun. But, i may persume that WC is not ready til every Winx Episode is Product in Italy and finished. then it will return.

But, I am hoping 91% that Kirby's coming back later.

Pogorikifan24

02-23-2009, 06:42 PM

soooo... if Will and Dewitt and TMNT: BTTS End?. I Guess Kirby, and Rollbots Primere on The CW4Kids, or Double Airings.

Pogorikifan24

02-23-2009, 07:00 PM

I e-mailed our 4Kids contact and got the TBA's cleared up for this week. So, I've copied Dubbs' original post and just filled in the blanks on GGR and YGO:

07:00 AM Will and Dewitt - Keeper of the Key; Willblasting (#25)
07:30 AM Chaotic: M'arillian Invasion - Colosseum Showdown (#44)
08:00 AM Sonic X - The Last Resort (#9) The CW Network Premiere
08:30 AM GoGoRiki - The Costume Party; Bobo; Social Butterfly(#14) World Dub Premiere
09:00 AM Dinosaur King - Planes, Trains and Dinosaurs (#42) U.S. Dub Premiere
09:30 AM Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Back to the Sewer - Wedding Bells and Bytes (#156) SEASON/SERIES(?) FINALE (World Premiere)
10:00 AM Chaotic: M'arrillian Invasion - Tale of Two Toms (#54) World Premiere
10:30 AM Huntik: Secrets & Seekers - Absent Heroes (#9) U.S. Dub Premiere
11:00 AM Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's - The Fortune Cup Finale, Part 1 (#25) World Dub Premiere
11:30 AM Kamen Rider Dragon Knight - Kamen Rider Thrust (#9) World Premiere

What "Bobo" gonna be about?

D Dubbs

02-23-2009, 07:21 PM

You know, Pogorikifan, it's probably best if you don't double and triple post.

I'm not sure what "Bobo" is about...but if I had to guess, I'd say it'll be about Boboriki. ;)

4Kids Stamps for the Week of Monday, February 16th to Sunday, February 22nd, 2009:
#117 – Bigoriki (GoGoRiki)
#118 – Boboriki (GoGoRiki)
#119 – Chikoriki (GoGoRiki)
#120 – Olgariki (GoGoRiki)
#121 – Ottoriki (GoGoRiki)
#122 – Docoriki (GoGoRiki)
#123 – Wolliriki (GoGoRiki)

Gold Guy

02-23-2009, 07:22 PM

soooo... if Will and Dewitt and TMNT: BTTS End?. I Guess Kirby, and Rollbots Primere on The CW4Kids, or Double Airings.

I really hope that Will and Dewitt leave CW4Kids.

mumbo

02-23-2009, 07:31 PM

Apparently Biker Mice from Mars is going to be coming to the CW4Kids sometime in the future, supposedly the fall. This being from the series' website.

I don't really see where there's room for it in the fall, what with a few other series still coming down the pipeline, but whatever, it did pretty well on 4Kids TV I guess.

D Dubbs

02-23-2009, 07:43 PM

Apparently Biker Mice from Mars is going to be coming to the CW4Kids sometime in the future, supposedly the fall. This being from the series' website.

Seriously?

Eh...I dunno. They might just be saying that for good press relations.

Pogorikifan24

02-23-2009, 07:44 PM

Well, That Bad. I wish Kirby comes back soon.

Pogorikifan24

02-23-2009, 07:56 PM

I really hope that Will and Dewitt leave CW4Kids.

Yeah, me too. Will and Dewitt is 4 babies.

I Mean Kirby should be replaced with TMNT: BTTS, and W&D Should be replaced with Rollbots. and Chaotic's Double Airing should be be replaced with a hour of Sonic X. so i guess the next 09 Schedule will be.

7:00 Kirby
7:30 Sonic X
8:00 Rollbots
8:30 GoGORiki
9:00 Huntik
9:30 Sonic X
10:00 Dinosuar King
10:30 Chaotic M'arillian Invasion
11:00 Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's
11:30 Kamen Rider Dragon Knight

And, kirby will end in Fall 09.

Pogorikifan24

02-23-2009, 08:03 PM

DonkeyKongSong

02-23-2009, 08:06 PM

Yeah, me too. Will and Dewitt is 4 babies.

I Mean Kirby should be replaced with TMNT: BTTS, and W&D Should be replaced with Rollbots. and Chaotic's Double Airing should be be replaced with a hour of Sonic X. so i guess the next 09 Schedule will be.

7:00 Kirby
7:30 Sonic X
8:00 Rollbots
8:30 GoGORiki
9:00 Huntik
9:30 Sonic X
10:00 Dinosuar King
10:30 Chaotic M'arillian Invasion
11:00 Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's
11:30 Kamen Rider Dragon Knight

And, kirby will end in Fall 09.

Looks like a good schedule, but one thing... I think the earlier airing of M'arillian is for a reason. They skipped a few episodes of it when it was airing on The CW4Kids to get to the good stuff, but not everyone who has The CW4Kids gets 4Kids TV. It would give viewers a chance to see those episodes. (Myself included, I didn't get a chance to watch it when it was on 4Kids TV, and I do not have time to use the video player.) However, I may see them removing it when they get to "From the Deep" (or the episode before). Or, they may just keep it for ratings/people who miss an episode. Although, replacing it with another Sonic X would not surprise me.

I don't know if they'll put Kirby on, but that would be good too. A lot of people haven't seen Kirby yet. Although, if RollBots turns out to not be e/i (though it could pass as one), they might take out Will & Dewitt and the earlier M'arillian for RollBots and Winx Club. Of course, they don't have time to air 78 episodes by this fall, but they may just skip some unnecessary fillers to prepare us for Season 4.

And yeah, I know I shouldn't be dissing Will & Dewitt because I'm older than the target demographic, but why would they put a show aimed at ages 2-5 on a block aimed at ages 6-11?! That's like putting CW4Kids shows on The CW primetime slot for something other than a special.

CyberCubed

02-23-2009, 08:13 PM

DonkeyKongSong

02-23-2009, 08:19 PM

Here are my predictions:

If RollBots is e/i:

7:00 - Chaotic: M'arillian Invasion
7:30 - Sonic X (they like to put reruns first)
8:00 - GoGoRiki (then their only comedy show)
8:30 - RollBots
9:00 - Dinosaur King
9:30 - TMNT (reruns of anything)
10:00 - Chaotic: M'arillian Invasion
10:30 - Huntik: Secrets and Seekers
11:00 - Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's
11:30 - Kamen Rider: Dragon Knight

If RollBots isn't e/i, they could take out the earlier M'arillian airing or TMNT for Winx Club, so maybe...

7:00 - Chaotic: M'arillian Invasion
7:30 - Winx Club
8:00 - Sonic X
8:30 - GoGoRiki
9:00 - Dinosaur King
9:30 - RollBots
10:00 - Chaotic: M'arillian Invasion
10:30 - Huntik: Secrets and Seekers
11:00 - Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's
11:30 - Kamen Rider: Dragon Knight

RollBots looks like an action show, and they seem to be putting the comedy before the action, and anything in reruns before the comedy. So they may actually shuffle TMNT to an early slot. So maybe...

7:00 - Winx Club
7:30 - TMNT
8:00 - Sonic X
8:30 - GoGoRiki
9:00 - Dinosaur King
9:30 - RollBots
10:00 - Chaotic: M'arillian Invasion
10:30 - Huntik: Secrets and Seekers
11:00 - Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's
11:30 - Kamen Rider: Dragon Knight

PC!

02-23-2009, 08:41 PM

Wow, a 4kids schedule without TMNT.

Brings a tear to my eye.

Oh, for Pete's sake, dude. Why don't you just create your own thread to whine in and leave this one alone?

Do we even know if 4Kids has plans of dubbing the newest season of Winx Club? I would assume they would, considering how popular it was, but...

D Dubbs

02-23-2009, 08:53 PM

Do we even know if 4Kids has plans of dubbing the newest season of Winx Club? I would assume they would, considering how popular it was, but...

They haven't actually commented on the new season yet...so, no, we don't know for sure.

CyberCubed

02-23-2009, 09:09 PM

Why don't you just create your own thread to whine in and leave this one alone?

I made a thread about TMNT:

http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=224672

However until TMNT really does leave the block, it is part of the 4kids lineup and it is perfectly on topic to talk about it. It just never occurred to me that we would wake up in a world without TMNT on a 4kids Saturday morning. But it seems to be true.

I guess those people at thetechnodrome who originally spread the rumors that TMNT was ending turned out to be right all along. In retrospect, I give them thanks for breaking the news early, that way we had a lot of time to deal with the idea of the show ending.

I still hope the show gets a better sendoff.

Pogorikifan24

02-23-2009, 09:29 PM

:mad:
Here are my predictions:

If RollBots is e/i:

7:00 - Chaotic: M'arillian Invasion
7:30 - Sonic X (they like to put reruns first)
8:00 - GoGoRiki (then their only comedy show)
8:30 - RollBots
9:00 - Dinosaur King
9:30 - TMNT (reruns of anything)
10:00 - Chaotic: M'arillian Invasion
10:30 - Huntik: Secrets and Seekers
11:00 - Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's
11:30 - Kamen Rider: Dragon Knight

If RollBots isn't e/i, they could take out the earlier M'arillian airing or TMNT for Winx Club, so maybe...

7:00 - Chaotic: M'arillian Invasion
7:30 - Winx Club
8:00 - Sonic X
8:30 - GoGoRiki
9:00 - Dinosaur King
9:30 - RollBots
10:00 - Chaotic: M'arillian Invasion
10:30 - Huntik: Secrets and Seekers
11:00 - Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's
11:30 - Kamen Rider: Dragon Knight

RollBots looks like an action show, and they seem to be putting the comedy before the action, and anything in reruns before the comedy. So they may actually shuffle TMNT to an early slot. So maybe...

7:00 - Winx Club
7:30 - TMNT
8:00 - Sonic X
8:30 - GoGoRiki
9:00 - Dinosaur King
9:30 - RollBots
10:00 - Chaotic: M'arillian Invasion
10:30 - Huntik: Secrets and Seekers
11:00 - Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's
11:30 - Kamen Rider: Dragon Knight

Well, the fact is, i hate Winx Club. i mean i don't wanna every 5:00 in the morning watching that show.

Light Lucario

02-23-2009, 09:31 PM

They haven't actually commented on the new season yet...so, no, we don't know for sure.

I can understand why they haven't commented on the new Winx Club season yet since it hasn't even started in Italy. I am surprised that they haven't mentioned anything about the movie yet though. Maybe they're waiting until the series moves onto CW4Kids and airing a few episodes before doing that.

I made a thread about TMNT:

http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=224672

However until TMNT really does leave the block, it is part of the 4kids lineup and it is perfectly on topic to talk about it. It just never occurred to me that we would wake up in a world without TMNT on a 4kids Saturday morning. But it seems to be true.

I guess those people at thetechnodrome who originally spread the rumors that TMNT was ending turned out to be right all along. In retrospect, I give them thanks for breaking the news early, that way we had a lot of time to deal with the idea of the show ending.

I still hope the show gets a better sendoff.

It isn't the fact that you're talking about TMNT that is the problem for many of the people here. It's more like it isn't possible for you not to constantly complain about the situation every day that is probably getting under people's skin and I can understand that. I also understand that you really love the show and all, but I do think that you're taking it way too hard. I friendly suggest that you just calm down and relax. No matter how awesome a show is, a show is a show and it isn't the worst thing in the world either. The world isn't ending just because TMNT may not get a good conclusion. There are far worse things going on right now than that.

Blackstar

02-23-2009, 09:32 PM

Wow, CyberCubed. Just wow. You're downright obsessed with this, aren't you?

I'm suddenly reminded of the scene in Scary Movie in which Shawn Wayans suddenly breaks character to rant about the demise of his own canceled WB sitcom The Wayans Brothers. "The Wayans Brothers was a good show, and we didn't even get a final episode!"

4Kids may not want to give TMNT a final episode just in case the show gets picked up somewhere down the line, and even if that's not the case, so what? Shows end, man, and not all of them get proper sendoffs. Deal with it.

Terra Branford

02-23-2009, 10:11 PM

7:00 - Chaotic: M'arillian Invasion
7:30 - Sonic X (they like to put reruns first)
8:00 - GoGoRiki (then their only comedy show)
8:30 - RollBots
9:00 - Dinosaur King
9:30 - TMNT (reruns of anything)
10:00 - Chaotic: M'arillian Invasion
10:30 - Huntik: Secrets and Seekers
11:00 - Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's
11:30 - Kamen Rider: Dragon KnightI like this option. I would just replace GoGoRiki with Winx Club personally.

J!!!

02-23-2009, 10:14 PM

I like this option. I would just replace GoGoRiki with Winx Club personally.
But aren't GoGo's ratings good?

Terra Branford

02-23-2009, 10:18 PM

But aren't GoGo's ratings good?

That's why I said personally. I don't like the show that much to be honest. :sweat:

Pogorikifan24

02-23-2009, 10:24 PM

That's why I said personally. I don't like the show that much to be honest. :sweat:

i love that show. why dissapointing me

D Dubbs

02-23-2009, 10:26 PM

Will You Be Quiet, You will make me dissapointed. so, zip your mouth. i love that show.

Yes...we can tell. And you shouldn't insult people just because their opinions are different than yours.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if GoGoRiki gets double premieres. It gets pretty good ratings, especially for an e/i show (although being after Sonic X probably helps a bit). Plus, there's still 22 episodes left in its season.

THE 24 king

02-23-2009, 10:27 PM

we have to think about what they are going to do with Kamen Rider because when chaotic had it's 40 episode for it's first season they only aired 14 episodes so will they replace after that an move 5d's to 11:30 an add Kirby or winxclub at 11:00.

Pogorikifan24

02-23-2009, 10:29 PM

But aren't GoGo's ratings good?

Yeah, i love that show much. so i really hoping for merchandise.

I'll get a Pogoriki Toy.

D Dubbs

02-23-2009, 10:32 PM

we have to think about what they are going to do with Kamen Rider because when chaotic had it's 40 episode for it's first season they only aired 14 episodes
so will they replace after that an move 5d's to 11:30 an Kirby or winxclub

They'll probably keep Kamen Rider in reruns after the first 14 episodes premiere.

Pogorikifan24

02-23-2009, 10:33 PM

Yes...we can tell. And you shouldn't insult people just because their opinions are different than yours.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if GoGoRiki gets double premieres. It gets pretty good ratings, especially for an e/i show (although being after Sonic X probably helps a bit). Plus, there's still 22 episodes left in its season.

well, ok. But, I say that kirby should come back til spring 09 and ends in fall 09 then, i won't worry about kirby.

But, When it is Popular. Then, i could be excited about getting GGR Toys. :)

Then what's 22 time 3 Equals.

Meson

02-23-2009, 10:40 PM

soundmonkey44

02-23-2009, 10:43 PM

7:00 Kirby
7:30 Sonic X
8:00 Rollbots
8:30 GoGORiki
9:00 Huntik
9:30 Sonic X
10:00 Dinosuar King
10:30 Chaotic M'arillian Invasion
11:00 Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's
11:30 Kamen Rider Dragon Knight

And, kirby will end in Fall 09.

I agree with this schedule although I would'nt mind seeing some older 4kids shows as well..But 4kids doesn't have the rights to Ultimate Muscle or Shamen king anymore do they....Oh well I guess kirby is good too.:sweat:

(I would'nt mind seeing Ultraman or Doremi either, yes they were cheesy, but they had that flare that justs makes you like a kid again even though arn't that old...Of course that may just be me LULZ.)

DonkeyKongSong

02-23-2009, 10:44 PM

:mad:

Well, the fact is, i hate Winx Club. i mean i don't wanna every 5:00 in the morning watching that show.

I respect that you hate Winx Club. But it wouldn't be much trouble for you if it were to come in soon - like I keep saying, they generally tend to put something in reruns toward the beginning of the lineup (as they are doing with Sonic X now) and it makes sense so late-sleepers can watch the new stuff. I'm going completely unbiased in my predictions, though personally once Will & Dewitt is gone, there won't be a CW4Kids show I dislike (though I didn't like the first season of Chaotic).

I can understand why they haven't commented on the new Winx Club season yet since it hasn't even started in Italy. I am surprised that they haven't mentioned anything about the movie yet though. Maybe they're waiting until the series moves onto CW4Kids and airing a few episodes before doing that.

:eek:... it hasn't started yet?! We're nearing the end of the month! I thought it was supposed to start this month... wow, I'm way behind on my Winx Club news...

But I do remember a rep on the 4Kids forum saying something about the movie. At this point, there was no telling if there was going to be a season 4, and (s)he said something like, "We hope we can do the movie, it is the conclusion. But this fall, we will get a new show from the creators of Winx" hinting at Huntik.

I'm suddenly reminded of the scene in Scary Movie in which Shawn Wayans suddenly breaks character to rant about the demise of his own canceled WB sitcom The Wayans Brothers. "The Wayans Brothers was a good show, and we didn't even get a final episode!"

I have got to see that movie.

I'm just going to ignore CyberCubed like I've been doing for this whole thread.

(I would'nt mind seeing Ultraman or Doremi either, yes they were cheesy, but they had that flare that justs makes you like a kid again even though arn't that old...Of course that may just be me LULZ.)

Actually, it would have made more sense to put season 2 of Magical DoReMi on instead of Will & Dewitt from the beginning of the new season, since DoReMi is e/i too and it hasn't been on TV yet. However, I'm hearing that after the One Piece incident, Toei doesn't want 4Kids airing DoReMi anymore (and it's why they lost Pretty Cure) and will only let them stream it. However, this is a RUMOR. Do not say this is fact.

I doubt they'd ever air Ultraman Tiga again, since they already released the entire series uncut to DVD, and idk if they ever want anything to do with the dub again. However, I wasn't interested in Ultraman at the time it was on, and I kinda wanna see the dub. It sounds so cheesy yet funny.

THE 24 king

02-23-2009, 10:49 PM

if Kirby has a game coming out for wii then it might come back on thecw4kids

DonkeyKongSong

02-23-2009, 10:50 PM

if Kirby has a game coming out for wii then it might come back on thecw4kids

That would make sense. I remember when Kirby Squeak Squad came out, they put it back on to promote the game and make a contest for it (though I think it was primarily to air off the last 7 episodes that never aired during the series' original run).

THE 24 king

02-23-2009, 10:56 PM

how come the game is so big an popular why do't they do a movie on the show.

J!!!

02-23-2009, 10:57 PM

how come the game is so big an popular why do't they do a movie on the show.
Because the show failed to gain the huge audience that Nintendo was aiming for.

Starbro

02-23-2009, 10:58 PM

how come the game is so big an popular why do't they do a movie on the show.

Because the show is over, and I don't think the show was that popular.

Blackstar

02-23-2009, 10:59 PM

how come the game is so big an popular why do't they do a movie on the show.

Because the show is over, and I don't think the show was that popular.

You must also keep in mind that 4Kids didn't produce Kirby. They only aired it. It's not 4Kids' call whether Kirby gets a movie or not.

DonkeyKongSong

02-23-2009, 11:00 PM

how come the game is so big an popular why do't they do a movie on the show.
They sort of did. It is called Kirby: Fright to the Finish. But it's just a string of episodes 96-100, "Air Ride In Style, Parts 1 and 2", "Cappy Town Down", "Combat Kirby", and "Fight to the Finish". It's available on DVD, and it was originally released in 2005 to wrap up the series for the time being (and to promote Kirby Canvas Curse for the Nintendo DS, and 4Kids held a contest to win the movie and game), since episodes 98-100 had not aired yet.

THE 24 king

02-23-2009, 11:03 PM

well what about chaotic in next year or two for movie that's 4kids all the way an that would make it more popular than what it is

D Dubbs

02-23-2009, 11:04 PM

A DTV movie could happen, but I wouldn't expect anything in theaters. Chaotic has a decent cult following, but not enough to be profitable in the box office.

Pogorikifan24

02-23-2009, 11:08 PM

Well, BMFM is coming back on replacing with TMNT: BTTS. so Rollbots is replacing the Double Airing of Chaotic, and Will and Dewitt will be Replaced with Kirby for this year, and kirby will end in the fall and replace it with Winx Club.

So, the schedule could be...

7:00 Kirby: Right Back At Ya!
7:30 Biker Mice From Mars
8:00 Sonic X
8:30 GoGORiki
9:00 Dinosuar King
9:30 Rollbots
10:00 Chaotic M'arillian Invasion
10:30 Huntik
11:00 Yu-Gi-Oh 5D's
11:30 Kamen Rider Dragon Knight

Well, this could be it for TMNT.
So, CyberCubed Don't Worry. There still gonna have a new game, and DVD's.

D Dubbs

02-23-2009, 11:11 PM

^ Wow, that's probably your most sensible post yet. I actually understood it. Good job.

Pogorikifan24

02-23-2009, 11:14 PM

Well, My DA Friend KiteBoy1 Gonna luv this :)

THE 24 king

02-23-2009, 11:18 PM

Kirby an biker mice would not be on the schedule because they have shows like HTDT an the new season of winxclub

Pogorikifan24

02-23-2009, 11:22 PM

it saids that there picking up BMFM on the CW4Kids on wikipedia. and i said til fall 09 kirby will be replaced with Winx Club.

Poweranimals

02-23-2009, 11:41 PM

They'll probably keep Kamen Rider in reruns after the first 14 episodes premiere.
If there is a break it had better not be long.

mumbo

02-24-2009, 12:08 AM

Just if there were any doubts to clarify, Rollbots is definitely not E/I. I caught the first two episodes on YTV, and it seems to be a pretty full-bore action cartoon. While it's early to tell it may actually have a continuing storyline as well. It reminded me a lot of Reboot, and not just from the look.

It will be interesting to see how 4Kids treats it. I'm actually getting a sneaking suspicion that it will take TMNT's spot and TMNT reruns will be relegated to earlier in the morning, though what makes me think otherwise is the fact that Rollbots is a third-party series and TMNT is not.

I honestly have no idea how Biker Mice would fit on the schedule unless Kamen Rider were to take a break off the schedule, seeing as Biker Mice outperformed what Kamen Rider is doing now in the ratings, and you know, the whole motorcycle thing as well.

...or if HTDT goes the way of Rocket Monkeys ;)

Of course it may not come back at all and 4Kids was just considering it or something.

D Dubbs

02-24-2009, 12:18 AM

Just if there were any doubts to clarify, Rollbots is definitely not E/I. I caught the first two episodes on YTV, and it seems to be a pretty full-bore action cartoon. While it's early to tell it may actually have a continuing storyline as well. It reminded me a lot of Reboot, and not just from the look.

It will be interesting to see how 4Kids treats it. I'm actually getting a sneaking suspicion that it will take TMNT's spot and TMNT reruns will be relegated to earlier in the morning, though what makes me think otherwise is the fact that Rollbots is a third-party series and TMNT is not.

Ah, but 4Kids is the worldwide brand manger for RollBots.

In addition, Amberwood has appointed 4Kids Entertainment as the worldwide Merchandising & Licensing Agent and Brand Manager for RollBots. The New York-based children's entertainment organization will manage global licensing opportunities based upon likeness, designs, copyrights, trademarks and all other elements based on the animated television series. 4Kids will work closely with all licensees of the RollBots brand, including recently signed Master Toy Licensee Mattel.So I imagine that they'll give RollBots a pretty good slot. Yeah, I could actually see 4Kids replacing TMNT with RollBots the first Saturday of March. That way the block would still have 3.5 hours of new episodes during all of March (the month of Nielsen sweeps).

CyberCubed

02-24-2009, 12:32 AM

Perhaps 4kids was too quick to kill off the Fox block, hence their lack of air-time for all their new shows.

Burgundy Ranger

02-24-2009, 12:35 AM

Perhaps 4kids was too quick to kill off the Fox block, hence their lack of air-time for all their new shows.
Wasn't that Fox's desire moreso than 4Kids'?

D Dubbs

02-24-2009, 12:42 AM

Wasn't that Fox's desire moreso than 4Kids'?

It kind of goes both ways. Several Fox affiliates didn't carry 4Kids TV, so 4Kids eventually got fed up and decided to end their deal with Fox (a big lawsuit happened over the argument). So, essentially, 4Kids did make the ultimate decision to cancel 4Kids TV, but it was a result of Fox's actions.

I think 4Kids has enough room for all their shows on one five-hour block, though. I'd rather have one block that's full of premieres than have two blocks where half of each is block is reruns.

CyberCubed

02-24-2009, 12:48 AM

It should fit almost all their shows, except for TMNT, but they will have to make room if they want to air the DTV at some point.

D Dubbs

02-24-2009, 01:08 AM

Final K6-11 Ratings for Saturday, February, 14, 2009 Broadcast Networks only (Live + SD Data):
Source: Disney Research from Nielsen Media Research Data
ABC 1.3/6 Avg. (9a-1p)
The Emperors New School 1.1/5; The Replacements 1.3/5; That's So Raven 1.6/6; That's So Raven 1.7/7; Hannah Montana 1.6/7; Suite Life of Zack & Cody 1.7/7; Power Rangers Jungle Fury 0.7/3; Power Rangers Jungle 0.5/3
CW (TheCW4Kids) 1.1/5 Avg. (7a-12p)
Will & Dewitt 0.2/2; Chaotic 0.8/5; Sonic X 1.2/6; Gogoriki 1.2/5; Dinosaur King 1.3/5; Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1.5/6; Chaotic 1.4/6; Huntik 1.1/5; Yu-Gi-Oh 5D 0.9/4; Kamen Rider Dragon Knight 0.9/4
NBC (Qubo on NBC)Avg.0.3/1 (10a-1p)
Jane and the Dragon 0.2/1; Zula Patrol 0.2/1; 321 Penguins 0.4/2; VeggieTales 0.4/2; Turbo Dogs 0.4/2; My Friend Rabbit 0.4/2
CBS (KEWLopolis on CBS) 0.3/1 Avg. (7-10a/10a-12p)
Cake 0.2/1; Horseland 0.4/2; Dino Squad 0.5/2; Strawberry Shortcake 0.2/1; Care Bears 0.3/1; Sushi pack 0.4/2Hmm...that's weird. TMNT practically doubled its ratings in one week, making it the highest-rated show on the block. Everything else was up overall from last week too, so that's good news.

CyberCubed

02-24-2009, 01:11 AM

Those ratings for Will and Dewitt are pathetic. TMNT's spike is probably just for this week, it'll decline again.

THE 24 king

02-24-2009, 01:23 AM

how come thecw4kids get better ratings than the shows that come on the cw.oh an Dinosaur King is a hit for the cw4kids look back at there ratings they are all good.

mumbo

02-24-2009, 02:01 AM

Will and Dewitt is kind of turning into a running joke now. It's so far behind the rest of the block in the ratings (not to say that anything would really succeed at 7:00, but still) it doesn't fit in with the rest of the block, it isn't any good, 4Kids has other E/I series, and still, it just...stays there, able to hold the same timeslot longer than any other show on the block.

Given GoGoRiki's ratings increase in recent weeks (though I think it comes from following Sonic X more than anything else) I wouldn't be surprised if they finally just axe Will and Dewitt for a second airing though.

And hmm, last week TMNT's rating was abnormally low and this week it's abnormally high. Strange.

It should fit almost all their shows, except for TMNT, but they will have to make room if they want to air the DTV at some point.
It would only be for three weeks though, so they could just give one of their shows a short break for it, no problem.

Poweranimals

02-24-2009, 02:15 AM

Wasn't that Fox's desire moreso than 4Kids'?
Didn't you know? 4Kids is the devil.

Burgundy Ranger

02-24-2009, 09:39 AM

It kind of goes both ways. Several Fox affiliates didn't carry 4Kids TV, so 4Kids eventually got fed up and decided to end their deal with Fox (a big lawsuit happened over the argument). So, essentially, 4Kids did make the ultimate decision to cancel 4Kids TV, but it was a result of Fox's actions.
The affiliates' squawking was also the primary cause behind the dropping of the weekday Fox Kids block way, way back in the day.

Pogorikifan24

02-24-2009, 09:52 AM

And, 4kids Was Replaced by The (Boring) Weekend Marketing.

Burgundy Ranger

02-24-2009, 10:16 AM

And, 4kids Was Replaced by The (Boring) Weekend Marketing.
And the affiliates DO NOT CARE if viewers are bored.

This is simply a move for more:

http://www.efc.dcccd.edu/ssi/finance/dollar_sign.gif http://www.efc.dcccd.edu/ssi/finance/dollar_sign.gif http://www.efc.dcccd.edu/ssi/finance/dollar_sign.gif

And, in this business-first world, the Benjamin numbers are as important, if not more, than the Nielsen numbers.

Poweranimals

02-24-2009, 02:00 PM

The love of money is the root of all evil.:)

Burgundy Ranger

02-24-2009, 02:14 PM

They sent a second update to the GGR ep title -- they flip-flopped segments 1 & 3 and added to the title of segment 2

veemonjosh

02-24-2009, 03:19 PM

Because the show failed to gain the huge audience that Nintendo was aiming for.

Well, it's not just that...heck, in Japan, it did surprisingly well (well enough that it still airs quite frequently in reruns). The real reason it ended when it did was because Masahiro Sakurai (the creator of Kirby who also directed the anime) became bored of the series, mostly due to the repetitive rut it was starting to slip into, and decided to move on.

The anime did well enough that it could've lasted at least another 50 episodes, but they wisely chose to end it when the creator stepped down.

Pogorikifan24

02-24-2009, 05:59 PM

They sent a second update to the GGR ep title -- they flip-flopped segments 1 & 3 and added to the title of segment 2

Where At?

THE 24 king

02-24-2009, 08:24 PM

the schedule needs to come out for thecw4kids

creativerealms

02-24-2009, 09:01 PM

: 10:00 AM Chaotic: M'arrillian Invasion Tale of Two Toms (#54) World Premiere

I guess it's probably going to be six or more episodes before they deal with the M'arrillian story again. I can't say I'm surprised Chaotic just loves wasting it's potentual.

CyberCubed

02-24-2009, 09:10 PM

I guess it's probably going to be six or more episodes before they deal with the M'arrillian story again. I can't say I'm surprised Chaotic just loves wasting it's potentual.

Dude, Chaotic is just a 20 minute commercial to sell cards. Its the show 4kids always wanted, cheap animation/stories, but kids love the monsters so they watch. You're expecting way too much out of it.

The days of good storytelling are over, hence the end of TMNT.

creativerealms

02-24-2009, 09:20 PM

I know that cubed but it could be more, it really could. A toy ad disguised as a cartoon can have decent story telling Transformers proves that.

And come on TMNT being the last cartoon with good story telling bull crap Cubed bull crap. I happen to think Huntik, Secret Saturdays and Spectacular Spider-man all have great story telling.

THE 24 king

02-24-2009, 09:22 PM

that's right TMNT has or had a good story line an most people think that the show is over

Blackstar

02-24-2009, 09:25 PM

The days of good storytelling are over, hence the end of TMNT.

The writers of The Secret Saturdays, Wolverine and the X-Men and Chowder would like to have a word with you.

THE 24 king

02-24-2009, 09:29 PM

let's see how long the shows you just name be on ammm not 7 season,

Starbro

02-24-2009, 09:31 PM

let's see how long the shows you just name be on ammm not 7 season,

So what? It's not a requirement that a show has to be on for 7 seasons in order for it to have good writing. How a long a show has been on is not automatically an indication of its' quality.

THE 24 king

02-24-2009, 09:35 PM

no but they had good writing for 7 season that's the point iam making tell me what cartoon shows had good writing for 7 season or more not the simpsons not bleach an not naruto

Starbro

02-24-2009, 09:38 PM

Blackstar

02-24-2009, 09:39 PM

no but they had good writing for 7 season that's the point iam making tell me what cartoon shows had good writing for 7 season or more not the simpsons not bleach an not naruto

Dude, Hee-Haw and WWE Wrestling were both on the air for more than 7 seven seasons. Are you telling me that those shows had good writing? You're argument makes no sense at all.

THE 24 king

02-24-2009, 09:44 PM

no no go back a page an read. we was saying that a card game show like chaotic has no good story telling. but a show like TMNT dose an might get cancel.

Blackstar

02-24-2009, 09:50 PM

no no go back a page an read. we was saying that a card game show like chaotic has no good story telling. but a show like TMNT dose an might get cancel.

We're all well aware of the plight of TMNT, as that's all CyberCubed has been talking about for the past few weeks. And I'm not going to cry over the loss of TMNT, as it's been on the air since 2003. Seven years is a good run. More than many other shows have gotten. Nothing stays on forever. Shows end. That's just something that you guys are going to have to accept.

Regarding Chaotic, while you and Cubed may not care for the series (Heck, I'm not a fan of it either), but the fact of the matter is even the people who aren't watching the show for it's writing are watching it for the toyetic card game value. Chaotic is no great master work, but it was never meant to be. Chaotic was designed solely to sell a few million cards and to get kids to play the game, which it succeeded in doing, and that's all that matters.

THE 24 king

02-24-2009, 09:53 PM

i like chaotic. season 1 was bad but season two is good an i have been watching it since 4kids.TV an now on thecw4kids.

creativerealms

02-24-2009, 09:55 PM

The thing is some people who watch chaotic (Such as myself) can see potentual in the show. Potentual to be more then it is. I can still be disapointed that it does not live up to that potentual right? Yes I can.

I realize it will never be more then a twenty minute advertisement for a card game but I believe it has the potentual to be more then that.

Starbro

02-24-2009, 09:58 PM

THE 24 king

02-24-2009, 09:58 PM

chaotic dose have a lot Potential but 4kids only want the cards to sell.

veemonjosh

02-24-2009, 11:04 PM

I guess it's probably going to be six or more episodes before they deal with the M'arrillian story again. I can't say I'm surprised Chaotic just loves wasting it's potentual.

And this is partly why I dropped the show like a rock shortly after this season began...

DonkeyKongSong

02-24-2009, 11:41 PM

And this is partly why I dropped the show like a rock shortly after this season began...

I've been following the show only since it started on CW4Kids (didn't even bother with Season 1)... but if they're going to stretch out the reason this season got its title like this, I might just end up dropping it/waiting it out and then marathoning myself on the video player. (I might not even bother with the episodes CW4Kids skipped, I'm sure they did it for a reason.)

Still, the action is kinda cool b/c of the new art style, and if I had time I'd give the online card game a try (not really interested in the physical one).

CyberCubed

02-24-2009, 11:46 PM

Again, how long a show has been on is not an indication of how good its' writing is. Therefore Cubed is quite mistaken when he claims that TMNT is the last well-written show on the planet. Neither of you are making a lot of sense right now.

Cyber, I get that you like TMNT, but seriously, it's not the be-all, end-all of TV animation. Geez.

4kids block is now comprised of almost all card game, monster battler, or short comedy series. There's no diversity on this block at all anymore with the loss of TMNT.

DonkeyKongSong

02-24-2009, 11:48 PM

4kids block is now comprised of almost all card game, monster battler, or short comedy series. There's no diversity on this block at all anymore with the loss of TMNT.

But that in itself is diversity. Sonic X and Kamen Rider: Dragon Knight don't really fit those categories, and RollBots won't either. (As well as Winx Club and Biker Mice from Mars if they come.)

D Dubbs

02-25-2009, 12:17 AM

But that in itself is diversity. Sonic X and Kamen Rider: Dragon Knight don't really fit those categories, and RollBots won't either. (As well as Winx Club and Biker Mice from Mars if they come.)

Yeah, Biker Mice from Mars will basically fill the "comic-book-heroes-revived-from-a-decade-ago show" void that TMNT will create when/if it leaves. I mean...at least as far as different genres go, not really in terms of quality.

Regarding Chaotic...wow, a lot of hate here. Sure, it may not be a masterpiece, but it's not that bad. Even if the majority of the episodes don't tie into a major continuing plot, a lot of the one-shot stories are pretty entertaining (although, this week's new episode sounds pretty lame, I'll admit). And when Chaotic wants to be good, it can be really good. I'd say the "Fighting Friendly"/"A Rare Hazzard" and "From the Deep" two-parters had some of the best writing of any show that's aired on 4Kids in the past six months.

Like I've said before, the only episodes that I think are really bad are the drome battle matches (except the CodeMaster matches). Those are pure filler and do nothing to advance the plot at all. But I understand why they do those...you actually have to make the characters play the game a few times in the show if you want the cards to sell.

DonkeyKongSong

02-25-2009, 12:26 AM

Yeah, Biker Mice from Mars will basically fill the "comic-book-heroes-revived-from-a-decade-ago show" void that TMNT will create when/if it leaves. I mean...at least as far as different genres go, not really in terms of quality.

Regarding Chaotic...wow, a lot of hate here. Sure, it may not be a masterpiece, but it's not that bad. Even if the majority of the episodes don't tie into a major continuing plot, a lot of the one-shot stories are pretty entertaining (although, this week's new episode sounds pretty lame, I'll admit). And when Chaotic wants to be good, it can be really good. I'd say the "Fighting Friendly"/"A Rare Hazzard" and "From the Deep" two-parters had some of the best writing of any show that's aired on 4Kids in the past six months.

Like I've said before, the only episodes that I think are really bad are the drome battle matches (except the CodeMaster matches). Those are pure filler and do nothing to advance the plot at all. But I understand why they do those...you actually have to make the characters play the game a few times in the show if you want the cards to sell.

I couldn't've said it any better myself.

THE 24 king

02-25-2009, 07:55 AM

no one is hating on chaotic we just see there is more Potential than cards

CyberCubed

02-25-2009, 11:38 AM

4kids lost Pokemon and they know Yu-gi-oh is winding down, so they are desperately using Chaotic to fill their void. The sad thing is Chaotic is probably also the cause for TMNT's cancellation, since 4kids would rather spend money on that show instead of TMNT.

The least they could have done is leave Chaotic in flash, its not like kids would care, and then use the quality animation for something with good storytelling such as TMNT.

mumbo

02-25-2009, 12:48 PM

Trust me, M'arrillian Invasion's animation isn't that high grade, and it's not much of a step above BTTS. It's done like an anime, which is cheaper and quicker to do than most Western animation. And while some of the episodes look pretty good, the animation is downright horrendous in a few (Colosseum Showdown for example).

Apparently it's cheaper for them this way, since doing animation in Korea is cheaper than in Canada - especially since the Canadian Flash animation didn't get the same federal government grants that other Canadian productions get due to it being for an American company. I think the provincial government pitched in a bit though. And when it was done in Flash it really pushed the limits of Flash, whereas in M'arrilliian Invasion the cel animation is nothing to write home about IMO.

Pretty sure TMNT's cancellation has a lot more to do with Playmates not wanting to fund it. I get the feeling that since Playmates pulled Fast Forward Season 2 out from under their feet when it was halfway done, that it's not so much a case of 4Kids not wanting to fund producing the series alone, it's that they CAN'T do it alone due to contractual obligations. They can't just flip off Playmates as long as Playmates holds onto the license.

CyberCubed

02-25-2009, 01:43 PM

Which begs the question, does Playmates honestly think kids are going to buy their toys without a cartoon on the air? It honestly doesn't make sense.

I think its sad that Mirage/4kids/Playmates haven't even gotten together to discuss a possible pitch for the show next season. Its like none of the companies even care anymore.

mumbo

02-25-2009, 02:25 PM

Which begs the question, does Playmates honestly think kids are going to buy their toys without a cartoon on the air? It honestly doesn't make sense.
They're obsessed with movie toys and 25th anniversary toys, so yeah, they think they will sell without a cartoon, or at least they think the funding of the cartoon isn't worth how few cartoon toys they'll sell. They basically gave up on the cartoon toys. Is it stupid of them? Of course, but what can you do.

If the Mirage comics situation wasn't so bad, then the franchise wouldn't be so heavily reliant on toy sales, but right now that's how it is.

CyberCubed

02-25-2009, 02:55 PM

Then how does it make sense to let the cartoon end? The cartoon is basically advertising for both the comics and the toys. We see on the weekly ratings that TMNT is doing just as good as the rest of the block, it just got a 1.5 last week. TMNT's ratings are perfectly fine and on par with 4kids other shows.

How do they expect to introduce an entire new generation of kids to TMNT if there's no show on the air? How does Mirage expect to survive without licensing from the cartoon?

This whole concept annoys the hell out of me. TMNT cannot survive by going back to being an obscure comic book franchise. Without a cartoon on the air nobody is going to be introduced to the franchise at all.

The whole concept is ridiculous, and Peter Laird seems so indifferent about it.

Marvin Tikvah

02-25-2009, 03:07 PM

One Piece manages to sell despite not having a TV deal.

I'm pretty sure TMNT will survive without a TV show. It's popularity isn't as high as it was in the 80s, but the hardcore fans will probably keep buying TMNT stuff.

THE 24 king

02-25-2009, 04:03 PM

there are a lot comics that sell with out a TV show. that's how most of them get a show

CyberCubed

02-25-2009, 04:43 PM

Mirage, the company, doesn't make money off the comics. In fact they lose money with every issue printed, the only reason they keep it going is because Peter Laird has the money to make it so.

Mirage makes it money off of licensing from the cartoon, the toys, the bed sheets, the paper plates, the kids pajamas, the T-shirts, and so forth.

Without a cartoon the companies have no reason to make Ninja Turtle underwear, and as a result, Mirage doesn't get a percentage of the profits.

Letting the show die is the most moronic decision both Mirage and Playmates can make, and I can only assume 4kids doesn't care either. Al Kahn hates TMNT, that has been obvious since the beginning.

THE 24 king

02-25-2009, 04:50 PM

it song like you wanted the show to go on for ever

Tay the Cat

02-25-2009, 05:02 PM

THE 24 king

02-25-2009, 05:06 PM

man the last time i seen a TMNT toy was like two years back a t wall-mart

Gold Guy

02-25-2009, 05:08 PM

The only TMNT merchandise I have seen recently were sneakers. No kidding.

CyberCubed

02-25-2009, 05:12 PM

Honestly, the only place I've seen TMNT merchandise ANYWHERE in the past few years? Hot Topic. Meaning, they're only catering to hardcore fans anyway.

Well aside from the toys being in any toy aisle, you can go to Target and see some TMNT T-shirts or book bags in the kids aisle.

Granted the merchandize has probably decreased since we're late in the game now, but there was a lot of it back in 2003/2004/2005 during the first three years of the show.

Also when the movie came out in 2007, there was a lot of TMNT stuff based on the movie. I would know, I actually bought the TMNT movie bedsheets. :sweat:

THE 24 king

02-25-2009, 05:16 PM

TMNT will be back on TV in 5 to 6 years because kids love superheroes if it get cancel.

soundmonkey44

02-25-2009, 05:43 PM

The writers of The Secret Saturdays, Wolverine and the X-Men and Chowder would like to have a word with you.

....ALthough I would agree with you on the Writers of Wolverine & Secret Saturdays, Chowder is just really a strand of sub-par random jokes put together to produce funny, Im not saying its a bad show, but its hardly good storytelling, But then again shows like that arn't meant for story.........Darn my ranting tounge! Bad! Bad soundmonkey! :p :sweat:

Anway anyone know if 4kids ever plans to release season sets for Kirby!?

veemonjosh

02-25-2009, 05:44 PM

But that in itself is diversity. Sonic X and Kamen Rider: Dragon Knight don't really fit those categories, and RollBots won't either. (As well as Winx Club and Biker Mice from Mars if they come.)

Kamen Rider: Dragon Knight fits in both the card game and monster battler categories.

Also, I still see quite a bit of TMNT merchandising at Toys-R-Us. Not a whole lot in Wal-Mart anymore, but there's still TMNT toys on their shelves...

Terra Branford

02-25-2009, 05:56 PM

The only TMNT merchandise I have seen recently were sneakers. No kidding.

I've seen those around as well. Other merchendise I've seen are bookbags and socks selling in the same store with the sneakers.

Light Lucario

02-25-2009, 09:01 PM

Regarding Chaotic...wow, a lot of hate here. Sure, it may not be a masterpiece, but it's not that bad. Even if the majority of the episodes don't tie into a major continuing plot, a lot of the one-shot stories are pretty entertaining (although, this week's new episode sounds pretty lame, I'll admit). And when Chaotic wants to be good, it can be really good. I'd say the "Fighting Friendly"/"A Rare Hazzard" and "From the Deep" two-parters had some of the best writing of any show that's aired on 4Kids in the past six months.

Like I've said before, the only episodes that I think are really bad are the drome battle matches (except the CodeMaster matches). Those are pure filler and do nothing to advance the plot at all. But I understand why they do those...you actually have to make the characters play the game a few times in the show if you want the cards to sell.

I agree. While Chatoic could be better with some of its episodes, I also don't think that it's the worst toy centered cartoon series either. I personally enjoy the episodes where they focus on the actual world where the Chaotic creatures come from more than most of the drome matches. As you already mentioned, the characters would have to battle with their cards in order to promote more of the card game itself, but it would still be interesting to see more of those matches receive better writing too. Still, it isn't so bad either.

Then how does it make sense to let the cartoon end? The cartoon is basically advertising for both the comics and the toys. We see on the weekly ratings that TMNT is doing just as good as the rest of the block, it just got a 1.5 last week. TMNT's ratings are perfectly fine and on par with 4kids other shows.

How do they expect to introduce an entire new generation of kids to TMNT if there's no show on the air? How does Mirage expect to survive without licensing from the cartoon?

This whole concept annoys the hell out of me. TMNT cannot survive by going back to being an obscure comic book franchise. Without a cartoon on the air nobody is going to be introduced to the franchise at all.

The whole concept is ridiculous, and Peter Laird seems so indifferent about it.

First of all, I still friendly suggest for you to calm down and relax. I'm sorry, but it just always sounds like you're taking things with TMNT way too seriously.

As for the whole how can they introduce TMNT to a new generation of kids thing, there are plenty of ways for kids to get into the franchise other than the cartoon series. Wasn't there about a five or so year gap between the end of the first TMNT series and the 2k3 series? I don't think that people simply forgot about the entire franchise during that time. Besides, people could always rent the DVDs of either series or any of the four movies to check out the franchise. I also believe that many episodes are available to watch legally on 4Kids.tv now too.

There is, of course, the idea that I've mentioned before about giving TMNT a repeat slot on some channel. I'm not sure where it would go if CN wouldn't want to try it again, but it is at least an interesting thought that does seem possible to me.

Mirage, the company, doesn't make money off the comics. In fact they lose money with every issue printed, the only reason they keep it going is because Peter Laird has the money to make it so.

Mirage makes it money off of licensing from the cartoon, the toys, the bed sheets, the paper plates, the kids pajamas, the T-shirts, and so forth.

Without a cartoon the companies have no reason to make Ninja Turtle underwear, and as a result, Mirage doesn't get a percentage of the profits.

Letting the show die is the most moronic decision both Mirage and Playmates can make, and I can only assume 4kids doesn't care either. Al Kahn hates TMNT, that has been obvious since the beginning.

I actually can't remember the last toy set I saw for TMNT. Then again, I don't shop at Wal-Mart and I rarely go to Target. I do remember seeing a set for all three of the live-action movies once at Borders, but that was a couple of years before the fourth movie came out.

D Dubbs

02-25-2009, 09:47 PM

I've seen some TMNT toys at Target and some TMNT fruit snacks, but that's about it.

New promos/extras from 4Kids' YouTube account:
Sonic X - The Last Resort (Promo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7hVLJmRYmU&feature=channel_page)
Huntik - Absent Heroes (Quick Clip) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT1vpy1WIMg&feature=channel_page)
Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's - The Fortune Cup Finale, Part 1 (Promo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwaOPxv0OE8&feature=channel_page)
TMNT Back to the Sewer - Wedding Bells and Bytes (Promo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEoiV2CNm_U&feature=channel_page)
Chaotic - M'arrillian Invasion - Tom, Too (Promo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q_YQu-o9Eo&feature=channel_page)
Dinosaur King - Planes, Trains and Dinosaurs (Promo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlMySMJD38M&feature=channel_page)So, looks like "A Tale of Two Toms" has been renamed "Tom, Too." Also, lol at the TMNT promo using stock music from Dinosaur King.

Pogorikifan24

02-25-2009, 10:06 PM

Well, I have a Poll.

If BMFM and the Winx Club are Returing on the CW4Kids, What Show do you think it should Return?

1. Di-Gata Defenders
2. Viva Pinata
3. Kirby: Right Back At Ya! (Maybe)
4. Yu-Gi-Oh GX (Season Finale)
5. Other Shows

Well, I will result the Shows that you think it should Return.

Terra Branford

02-25-2009, 10:23 PM

New promos/extras from 4Kids' YouTube account:[LIST]
Sonic X - The Last Resort (Promo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7hVLJmRYmU&feature=channel_page)I'm susprised that they still have promos for Sonic X. I suppose it's because that it's new to the CW4Kids.

J!!!

02-25-2009, 10:25 PM

I'm susprised that they still have promos for Sonic X. I suppose it's because that it's new to the CW4Kids.
Or maybe it's high ratings.:sweat:

Terra Branford

02-25-2009, 10:39 PM

Or maybe it's high ratings.:sweat:

Wouldn't GoGoRiki have a promo as well if that were the case?

D Dubbs

02-25-2009, 10:41 PM

Well, I'm pretty sure those Sonic X promos are recycled from the days of 4Kids TV.

Terra Branford

02-25-2009, 10:50 PM

They might be but I still find it surprising that 4Kids still puts them up.

CyberCubed

02-25-2009, 11:33 PM

THE 24 king

02-25-2009, 11:40 PM

you do't no if they have room or no the can have new episodes doing the summer with some of there shows

Light Lucario

02-25-2009, 11:47 PM

Sonic X needs to go to make room for new shows. It doesn't matter if its new to a network, if you have no new eps it doesn't deserve to be there.

Get rid of Will and Dewitt as well, but it'll likely be gone anyway.

I wonder how they will cycle through their new shows, they don't have enough space. Maybe for 4 months Biker Mice will be there, then the next 4 Winx Club, etc.

4kids ordered too many shows and now they don't have room for them all. Of course they'll probably put TMNT on the chopping block given there are no new episodes, but it just goes to show you how 4kids is willing to cut a good show just for 1-season replacements.

I guess it's true what they say. All the best shows get canceled way too soon.

I'm not sure if they would replace TMNT's slot with something else since they are planning to air the DTV as three episodes. Of course, it is also still possible that new episodes could be made. Even if that doesn't happen, the show has had a good long run. Most shows would love to have a seven season run and not every show is that lucky at all.

CyberCubed

02-25-2009, 11:49 PM

The show may have seven seasons, but it only ran for 6 years. It started in 2003 and its now 2009, which is only 6 years.

It seems like only yesterday a brand new show on TMNT started on the FoxBox. But you know what they say, the good shows always go first.

Plus, I am convinced Al Kahn hates TMNT. You can pretty much tell from any of his interviews or whenever he discusses TMNT as a property. Granted this is the same guy who caused the destruction of anime, but its a shame 4kids is run by such an evil CEO. I bet if they replaced him, 4kids would be seen as a much better, and more respectable company.

Light Lucario

02-26-2009, 12:00 AM

The show may have seven seasons, but it only ran for 6 years. It started in 2003 and its now 2009, which is only 6 years.

I'm not sure how only running for six years is such a bad thing. That sounds like a really good run to me, especially when you take into consideration how the 2k3 series was never a mega hit. Like I said, a lot of shows would love to get the kind of treatment TMNT has gotten.

It seems like only yesterday a brand new show on TMNT started on the FoxBox. But you know what they say, the good shows always go first.

Plus, I am convinced Al Kahn hates TMNT. You can pretty much tell from any of his interviews or whenever he discusses TMNT as a property. Granted this is the same guy who caused the destruction of anime, but its a shame 4kids is run by such an evil CEO. I bet if they replaced him, 4kids would be seen as a much better, and more respectable company.

I know that you love this show and I understand is, but what I don't understand is why you just continue to repeat the same things and complain about it every day. That isn't going to make the situation any better for you or for anyone else.

THE 24 king

02-26-2009, 12:03 AM

u never no they could have room for it because do any on hear real see the thecw4kids block with all new episodes come next season? because I do't.

CyberCubed

02-26-2009, 12:24 AM

I know that you love this show and I understand is, but what I don't understand is why you just continue to repeat the same things and complain about it every day. That isn't going to make the situation any better for you or for anyone else.

I generally want concrete answers on the main reason for the shows cancellation. We've mostly speculating about Playmates refusing to fund it, 4kids not wanting to bother, etc, but I want a real reason. Sure, most of the time when a show is cancelled you never really get a direct answer from the company, but for this one I want to know.

You'd think after 4kids spent a fortune on that show, they'd at least give the fans the answers they've wanted.

mumbo

02-26-2009, 01:51 AM

Have you tried PMing one of the mods on the 4Kids forums? They were willing to say why Yu-Gi-Oh! GX got cancelled. Despite how horribly incoherent and spammish those forums are, the mods are actually very nice and helpful people. Although they probably wouldn't give any answer or even acknowledge its cancellation yet, seeing as the show hasn't even actually completed its run yet.

If not I would just keep an eye on Laird's blog. I imagine he'll post after the series finishes its run - counting the DTV - and will probably clear up some of the circumstances surrounding the end of the series. So just hold on until the series actually finishes.

But yeah companies like to focus on the positives (especially now) in their statements and show cancellations don't fall into that category. I will agree that the company would be better off with Kahn, as he's one of the many, many incompetent and weasely CEOs nowadays (Ostroff, I'm looking at you) that this econonic climate could use a lot less of.

THE 24 king

02-27-2009, 06:33 PM

Final K6-11 Ratings for Saturday, February 21, 2009 Broadcast Networks only (Live + SD Data):
Source: Disney Research from Nielsen Media Research Data
ABC 1.2/5 Avg. (9a-1p)
The Emperor's New School 1.0/4; The Replacements 1.1/4; That's So Raven 1.3/5; That's So Raven 1.6/7; Hannah Montana 1.7/7; Suite Life of Zack & Cody 1.8/8; Power Rangers Jungle Fury 0.8/4; Power Rangers Jungle Fury 0.5/2
CW (TheCW4Kids) 0.9/4 Avg. (7a-12p)
Will & Dewitt 0.4/3; Chaotic 0.8/5; Sonic X 1.2/6; Gogoriki 1.1/5; Dinosaur King 1.1/4; Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1.2/4; Chaotic 1.1/4; Huntik 0.7/3; Yu-Gi-Oh 5D 0.8/3; Kamen Rider Dragon Knight 0.9/4
NBC (Qubo on NBC) Avg. 0.5/2 (10a-1p)
Jane and the Dragon 0.2/1; Zula Patrol 0.3/1; 321 Penguins 0.4/2; VeggieTales 0.5/2; Turbo Dogs 0.5/2; My Friend Rabbit 0.4/2
CBS (Kewlopolis on CBS) 0.4/2 Avg. (7-10a/10a-12p)
Cake 0.4/2; Horseland 0.7/3; Dino Squad 0.4/2; Strawberry Shortcake 0.8/3; Care Bears 0.6/2; Sushi Pack 0.3/1

Terra Branford

02-27-2009, 06:51 PM

The late shows, Huntik and onwards, need to do better in their time slots. At least Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's and Kamen Rider at least.

Burgundy Ranger

02-27-2009, 07:02 PM

The late shows, Huntik and onwards, need to do better in their time slots. At least Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's and Kamen Rider at least.
I hardly see how it's possible. Not up against Hannah and Suite Life.

Getting to anything that starts with a "1." is going to be reason to party.

Terra Branford

02-27-2009, 07:12 PM

I hardly see how it's possible. Not up against Hannah and Suite Life.

Getting to anything that starts with a "1." is going to be reason to party.

Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's and Kamen Rider go against Power Rangers Jungle Fury, if I have my times correct, so it is possible for those two shows at least to get a 1.0.

CyberCubed

02-27-2009, 07:25 PM

TMNT still pulls in good ratings.

Sonic_Eclipse

02-27-2009, 07:39 PM

Well, I'm pretty sure those Sonic X promos are recycled from the days of 4Kids TV.
Yeah, the Sonic X promos are the exact same ones that aired on the FoxBox and 4Kids TV.

Sonic X needs to go to make room for new shows. It doesn't matter if its new to a network, if you have no new eps it doesn't deserve to be there.
I don't think Sonic needs to go just because its old, now I do wish every time 4Kids brings it back they would start where they left off instead of starting from episode 1 all over again. The show still brings in the ratings so I'm sure it'll be around, but if 4Kids keeps taking it off and starting over it again when they put it back it won't keep those ratings. With reruns for 3yrs and still going strong you'd think SEGA and 4Kids would have worked on a new Sonic series by now. Yes, I've said this before but its true. If the ratings are still good after the shows been over, why not make a new series? Clearly 4Kids has no problem with Sonic.

I also think 4Kids should re-air seasons 1-5 of TMNT in an earlier slot, skipping over unnecessary episodes. I don't know why they stopped when they were doing it anyway.

Other than that, I think the CW4Kids schedule is pretty weak. I tried giving Chaotic, Huntik, Kamen Rider, and 5D's a chance, but after 3 episodes of each I just couldn't get into them. They're all 30min borefests, and I was really looking forward to Huntik too. And Dinosaur King is just lame.

I've been watching BttS, and even that hasn't been that good, it feels like Fast Foward without Cody. This season was being hyped up by the creators and it really hasn't gone back to Pre-FF like they said it would. I'm kinda glad TMNT isn't getting another season, because I can't watch what was once and awesome show go on like this.

GoGoRikki is fun to watch, but it's not something I go out of my way to watch. And the shows 4Kids has coming down the pipeline don't look that good either. I'll check them out, but I doubt I'll like Rollbots, Rocket Monkeys or HTDT.

bigddan11

02-27-2009, 09:21 PM

Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's and Kamen Rider go against Power Rangers Jungle Fury, if I have my times correct, so it is possible for those two shows at least to get a 1.0.
No, they don't, in most parts of the country, though they might in your area. In the Eastern Time Zone they air from 11 AM- 12 PM. PR Jungle Fury airs from 12 PM- 1 PM. In parts of the Central Time Zone and Mountain Time Zone they do air against each other from 11 AM- 12 PM, but in other parts of the Central & Mountain Zones they are moved up to air from 10 AM- 11 AM.

Poweranimals

02-27-2009, 10:51 PM

I can't believe the CW 4Kids still hasn't released their schedule for March.

D Dubbs

02-27-2009, 10:53 PM

Wow...the creator of the 4KidsTV YouTube channel is actually answering questions that are posted on YouTube. Never thought I'd see 4Kids acknowledging the older fanbase, and thanking the fans for constructive criticism. We already know most of the stuff, but there's still interesting information:

Hey Everyone - THX for the comments - we appreciate them - keep them coming - and THX for watch our vids -

iTwinDragon unfortunately we can only stream full episodes for US residents at www.4KidsTV.com (http://www.4KidsTV.com).

Kyumie - we only have rights for the US Kamen Rider.

catzcool2323 you can watch Di-Gata at www.4KidsTV.com (http://www.4KidsTV.com) & nothing new on the Sonic front.

RSExplorer1123 - we're not involved with Pokemon anymore.

TurtleGirlIvey - since its the 25th Anniversary of TMNT we're doing some cool stuff on TheCW4Kids TV, www.4Kids.tv (http://www.4Kids.tv), www.4KidsTV.com (http://www.4KidsTV.com) and on our YouTube Channel so stay tuned. THX again for the great comments, questions, and constructive criticism. We appreciate it

CyberZanEnd - no auditions that we know of

iTwinDragon - not sure about our shows in Canada, its completely different in the US as we are on The CW - hence The CW4Kids.

Ice8859 - our resources are dedicated to dubbing and airing Yu-Gi-Oh! 5Ds so we are not dubbing season 4 of GX right now - this doesn't mean we won't ever dub it, it just means that it is not on our schedule for the near future

cohenmarioman - not sure if there will be a hiatus after 26 [for Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's] - doubt that the theme song will be changed.

Super THX to SUBSCRIBERS & FRIENDS and to all for watching the vids and sending comments, questions or constructive criticism - if you want to RANT, etc. feel free by clicking on this link http://tinyurl.com/avzhfy or you can even post a video on YouTube! You know who 4Kids is, we've heard all the super negative stuff before so its pointless to continue PLUS we moderate...That said, we do like hearing from you and we'll try to respond on this channel a couple of times during the week (not weekends) moving forward as our schedules permit. HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND!

And we almost forgot - TMNT's Casey and April are getting married this Saturday, February 28 at 9:30 a.m. during the TMNT Back To The Sewer TV show on The CW4Kids. Don't miss this historic event. Check your local listings. You can leave your wedding wishes for April and Casey at http://www.4kids.tv/buzz/view/tmnts-casey-and-april-are-getting-married.

And check out the Back to the Sewers Blog at http://www.4kids.tv/show/tmnt-back-to-the-sewer/blog for images of all the wedding guests!

Stuff in bold are things I found interesting.

It's pretty awesome that 4Kids is doing this. FUNimation is really the only other animation company on the Internet that interacts with its fanbase this way. They even acknowledge that they're hated by several people. :sweat:

CyberCubed

02-27-2009, 10:54 PM

So i guess they confirmed TMNT is over, huh?

D Dubbs

02-27-2009, 10:58 PM

So i guess they confirmed TMNT is over, huh?

Uh...no, they never said that. In fact, they're hyping up the season finale now: http://www.4kids.tv/buzz/view/tmnts-casey-and-april-are-getting-married

Plus, they released several TMNT shorts on 4KidsTV.com for the 25th anniversary: http://www.4kids.tv/buzz/view/watch-tmnt-shorts-on-4kidstvcom/comments

Have those ever been seen before?

CyberCubed

02-27-2009, 11:00 PM

Not on the site, but I've seen a few of those shorts before because I recognize them. I think they were aired in a few commercial breaks of the show, but I never caught all of them.

I just wonder why 4kids is not hyping this ep up as the "BIG FINALE" or anything of the sort.

Remember a few years ago when 4kids hyped up the 100th episode of TMNT? That was a huge promotion.

Light Lucario

02-27-2009, 11:11 PM

Terra Branford

02-27-2009, 11:13 PM

GX still isn't on the dubbing schedule? Too bad as it's been a while.

D Dubbs

02-27-2009, 11:13 PM

CyberCubed, it might not BE the big finale. New episodes can always be produced if Playmates decides to get behind the series again.

Oh yeah, 4KidsTV.com put up tomorrow's episodes of Dinosaur King early, for whatever reason: http://4kidstv.com/dinosaur-king

Pogorikifan24

02-27-2009, 11:21 PM

Well, i guess kirby ain't coming back :(

Oh, and the Episode is not Bobo, It's Bobo and Bees.

I Think i know what this ones about :).

CyberCubed

02-28-2009, 10:04 AM

The finale of TMNT has brought tears to my eyes. :(

Pogorikifan24

02-28-2009, 10:27 AM

The finale of TMNT has brought tears to my eyes. :(

Listen, i know you loved that show so much, there still having a intresting fighting game of TMNT Called TMNT: Smash Up!. if you have the Wii.

CyberCubed

02-28-2009, 10:42 AM

The videogame looks good, especially if it plays like Smash Bros, but I wish the show continued.

I am now going through severe levels of depression due to the end of TMNT.

Tay the Cat

02-28-2009, 10:43 AM

I am now going through severe levels of depression due to the end of TMNT.

Wow.

Your obsession is literally unhealthy.

DonkeyKongSong

02-28-2009, 10:45 AM

The videogame looks good, especially if it plays like Smash Bros, but I wish the show continued.

I am now going through severe levels of depression due to the end of TMNT.

I never thought I'd have to do this...

http://www.pspsps.tv/facepalm.jpg

PC!

02-28-2009, 10:46 AM

The videogame looks good, especially if it plays like Smash Bros, but I wish the show continued.

I am now going through severe levels of depression due to the end of TMNT.

Yep. I didn't want to say it, but I think it's pretty much confirmed now: you're the second coming of RomanMack.

Terra Branford

02-28-2009, 11:43 AM

I am now going through severe levels of depression due to the end of TMNT.

You're starting to remind me of a certain person who is boycotting Pokémon for a fictional character to return.

CyberCubed

02-28-2009, 11:46 AM

You're starting to remind me of a certain person who is boycotting Pokémon for a fictional character to return.

I know who you're talking about, I'm not as far-gone as that guy. :sweat:

Maybe it's possible for the 2k3 universe to be revived years down the road, even if they let it rest awhile. I have no desire to see another re-boot where the franchise starts all over again.

DarthGonzo

02-28-2009, 11:47 AM

Maybe it's possible for the 2k3 universe to be revived years down the road, even if they let it rest awhile. I have no desire to see another re-boot where the franchise starts all over again.

I dunno...maybe it is time to start new.

Either way, I think the franchise deserves a little rest.

Poweranimals

02-28-2009, 02:54 PM

Final K6-11 Ratings for Saturday, February 21, 2009Broadcast Networks only (Live + SD Data):
Source: Disney Research from Nielsen Media Research Data
ABC 1.2/5 Avg. (9a-1p)
The Emperor's New School 1.0/4; The Replacements 1.1/4; That's So Raven 1.3/5; That's So Raven 1.6/7; Hannah Montana 1.7/7; Suite Life of Zack & Cody 1.8/8; Power Rangers Jungle Fury 0.8/4; Power Rangers Jungle Fury 0.5/2
CW (TheCW4Kids) 0.9/4 Avg. (7a-12p)
Will & Dewitt 0.4/3; Chaotic 0.8/5; Sonic X 1.2/6; Gogoriki 1.1/5; Dinosaur King 1.1/4; Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1.2/4; Chaotic 1.1/4; Huntik 0.7/3; Yu-Gi-Oh 5D 0.8/3; Kamen Rider Dragon Knight 0.9/4
NBC (Qubo on NBC)Avg. 0.5/2 (10a-1p)
Jane and the Dragon 0.2/1; Zula Patrol 0.3/1; 321 Penguins 0.4/2; VeggieTales 0.5/2; Turbo Dogs 0.5/2; My Friend Rabbit 0.4/2
CBS (Kewlopolis on CBS) 0.4/2 Avg. (7-10a/10a-12p)
Cake 0.4/2; Horseland 0.7/3; Dino Squad 0.4/2; Strawberry Shortcake 0.8/3; Care Bears 0.6/2; Sushi Pack 0.3/1

Hmmm.. TMNT's the highest rated show on the block. Also KRDK ratings are actually doing a little better than they were originally.

Light Lucario

02-28-2009, 05:11 PM

GX still isn't on the dubbing schedule? Too bad as it's been a while.

I know what you mean. Even though 5D's has so much of a better start, in terms of character development and with the plot, than GX did in season one, I would definitely love to see the fourth season. I still think its possible for them to go back and continue with the series either after they're done with Dinosaur King or finished dubbing the first season of 5D's.

The videogame looks good, especially if it plays like Smash Bros, but I wish the show continued.

I am now going through severe levels of depression due to the end of TMNT.

I'm sorry that you feel that intense and sad over a show. Yes, it's a good show, but there are more important things in life than TV shows, regardless of how good those shows are. I personally thought that the episode could work well as a series finale if they do choose not to continue the series. Of course, it is still possible for new episodes to be ordered in the future. It isn't one-hundred percent guaranteed, obviously, but it is still possible.

Maybe it's possible for the 2k3 universe to be revived years down the road, even if they let it rest awhile. I have no desire to see another re-boot where the franchise starts all over again.

Well, I could see the turtles getting another re-boot in the distant future, depending on if the franchise is still successful. But I also agree with DarthGonzo on how the franchise does need a rest before even considering another re-boot. Besides, maybe a break from the show for awhile will improve the writing, if they do choose to continue with the 2k3 series either with another season or some DTVs.

Pogorikifan24

02-28-2009, 06:07 PM

I'm Happy because GGR is having more new episodes.

THE 24 king

02-28-2009, 08:16 PM

Rolling Cloud

02-28-2009, 09:09 PM

cohenmarioman - doubt that the theme song will be changed.

Do they mean just the song or the animation too?
Because, having a certain girl exempted from the video is bugging me.

Blueranger

02-28-2009, 11:14 PM

you no if Power Rangers was on the cw4kids it would get around 1.3/7 when you look at because the highest ratings for Kamen Rider is 0.9/4 which was last week an the reason why i say this is because we all no Power Rangers is way more popular than Kamen Rider.
Obviously since It's a new show and toys haven't hit shelves yet. The thing is kids that normally expect a new season of PR don't know that RPM will be on ABC, which means the ratings PR gets regularly from ABC will be the only viewers the show will get.

THE 24 king

02-28-2009, 11:31 PM

come on kamen rider looks like power ranger Mighty Morphin an kids will feel they are ready saw that, and yes I no kamen rider came out first in japan an [power rangers is the one that got all the success

veemonjosh

03-01-2009, 12:27 AM

You're starting to remind me of a certain person who is boycotting Pokémon for a fictional character to return.

I dunno, he's been reminding me a lot more of a certain member who was going through depression after CN removed One Piece.

Thankfully, CyberCubed seems to be showing signs of getting over this a lot faster than that guy did.

macattack

03-01-2009, 01:27 AM

D Dubbs

03-01-2009, 01:55 AM

Okay, with episode 26 coming soon, in Japan, we had a new OP and ED for episode 27 of 5Ds. Obviously, the ED is going to go, but will the OP be dubbed (which would be awesome), will they keep Hyper Drive, or will they play some other OP they considered but got rejected?

The 4Kids YouTube page answered this question before, and the representative said he doubt the theme would change. I'm guessing that means they'll still use "Hyper Drive," but probably change the visuals (a la GX).

It would be pretty sweet if they dubbed "Last Train," but it's probably not going to happen.

THE 24 king

03-01-2009, 04:05 AM

To kick-off our online shell-a-bration commemorating 25 years of all things Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, we've reached back into the vaults for some hilariously fun TMNT video shorts. Click here (http://www.4kidstv.com/tmnt) to watch them on 4KidsTV.com.

Mesousa

03-01-2009, 08:48 AM

PC!

03-01-2009, 11:04 AM

Okay, with episode 26 coming soon, in Japan, we had a new OP and ED for episode 27 of 5Ds. Obviously, the ED is going to go, but will the OP be dubbed (which would be awesome), will they keep Hyper Drive, or will they play some other OP they considered but got rejected?

4Kids isn't exactly well-known for majorly updating their OPs nowadays. Heck, they didn't even change the Sonic X theme song when the show completely shifted direction in season 3.