Disappointing

[The New Batman]

As one who has been a Justice League fan since JLA #1 in 1960, this show has been very disappointing to me. The problems are quite simple:
1. I can't stand the way Superman is portrayed. Ok, I can understand the way they have toned down Supe's powers since the silver-age, but Superman is either knocked out or captured virtually every week on this show. I can't even stand the voice they used. Tim Daly on the Superman cartoon sounded much more masculine than this Supe. Very poorly done.
2. Green Lantern should have been Hal Jordan. Simple as that. I know it was changed to John Stewart for politically correct reasons, however I'm not very politically correct.
3. Hawkgirl without Hawkman is ridiculous. Also political correctness run wild. This type of stuff made the elitist who wrote the article on this show in TV Guide happy, but I somehow doubt that he is much of a comics fan. Also where did Hawkgirl's super strength come from?
4. This show needs other silver-age JLA members namely Hawkman, Green Arrow and the Atom.
5. Batman is the only character still interesting on this series.
6. Wasn't thrilled the way Aquaman was portrayed either. Hes a founding member of the JLA.
7. Would have preferred Barry Allen Flash to Wally West, but I can live with that.
In conclusion, this show is not in the same league with either the Batman or Superman cartoons. I truly hope that it improves quickly.

[Bird Boy]

Superman sounds fine to me...and I remember reading how people complained about Daly's voice at first too.

This isn't the original justice league in the comics and what not. This is a new Justice League...and new SPIN on Justice League. There are gonna be differences..which I'm fine with.

I'm not a fan of Superman, but I get mad when he doesn't use his powers like he can, but like Squall pointed out in another post, he's holding back..on purpose. That whole "Legacy" deal is why he's not letting it all out.

-BB

[Batman 80]

This Lineup of the Justice League is perfect. I love having Hawkgirl and John Stewart as members. And Newburn is doing a fine job.

[Anarky]

Quit hatin
I like that Superman is showing restraint. Plus, it adds more suspense when Clark is catching a beatdown. It'd be so boring if he FULL ON INVINCIBLE.

I like the funny Flash & I like the hard-edged John Stewart GL.
Hawkgirl is awesome. I like her fire, spunk.
I liked the intensity of Aquaman.

So far, I like just about everything about the program...except the new schedule change. I missed the wide-screen airing of War World Pt 2 (aaaaaaarrrrggggghhhh).

Other than that, I'm down. The show will get better in time but as of now, it rawks!!! Better than DBZ and all that other noise.

[Clark J. Kent]

New Batman, I don't know whether to call you an biased idiot or to give you a high five. Your ideas have me leaning both ways.


The New Batman begins...
As one who has been a Justice League fan since JLA #1 in 1960, this show has been very disappointing to me. The problems are quite simple:First of all, if you were reading JLA #1 in 1960, you were lightyears ahead of the rest of the entire world; JLA #1 hit stands in 1996.

However, THE BRAVE THE BOLD #28, which was published in 1960 was the first appearance of the Justice League, and featured Superman, Batman, Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), Flash (Barry Allen), Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and J'Onn. And it should be noted, just so everyone knows, that Superman and Batman didn't even participate in the first mission; they had their own cases. (In the fantastic JLA: YEAR ONE by Mark Waid, Supes and Bats were not even members. Superman turned down membership when asked by the Flash.)


The New Batman continues...
1. I can't stand the way Superman is portrayed. Ok, I can understand the way they have toned down Supe's powers since the silver-age, but Superman is either knocked out or captured virtually every week on this show. I can't even stand the voice they used. Tim Daly on the Superman cartoon sounded much more masculine than this Supe. Very poorly done.Here, I must agree. They made him visually much larger (to a downright unrealistic proportion,) and he can barely accomplish what he could when he looked human in S:TAS. I don't know if that gray streak is just highlights or if it's actually a GRAY STREAK. I remember at one point in an episode (I believe in Warworld,) a light shone on his face and the streak still stayed distinctly seperate from the rest of his hair. If it were a highlight, it would have vanished. I don't know if it was a mistake on the part of the animators or if they're trying to convince us that Superman now has gray hair.

As far as Superman's voice goes, you're right. Newbern doesn't hold a candle to Tim Daly. Not even close. And I think part of that is because of the awful dialogue they force Superman to come out with. (In The Enemy Below, one line stands out especially as bad acting "Orm... must be stopped" This is why people think Superman's a corn-ball.)

Newbern, if not compared to Daly, is really not the worst choice (and I am pained to say that,) but by fans of S:TAS, he will always be compared to Daly. And he doesn't match up. Period.


And then The New Batman says...
2. Green Lantern should have been Hal Jordan. Simple as that. I know it was changed to John Stewart for politically correct reasons, however I'm not very politically correct.I agree, disagree, and agree to disagree.

The Green Lantern should have been the Kyle Rayner from S:TAS, who had the personality of a young Kyle Rayner and the superior origin of Hal Jordan (especially the fact that Kyle was chosen by the ring as the deserving successor to Abin Sur.) This would have established a stronger link of continuity between the shows, and kept a character far superior to this poor rendition of John Stewart. John is an architect, a man who designs and builds things, and yet he shoots lasers and makes bubbles with the ring. I don't get it. I just wish John would make HANDS or BOXING GLOVES or JETS (for all of you who will be unable to resist the temptation to defend him by saying "He's a military man! Leave him alone!" If he's a military man, he should feel very comfortable making military creations with his ring and showing us he can do something INTERESTING with it.)

If they'd make John interesting, I wouldn't mind him. But he's just a black man with a no-nonsense attitude and a short temper. Isn't this nearly the same black man we see in almost every other cartoon?

I have a word or two for "Political Correctness" but I can't use that language on this board.


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3. Hawkgirl without Hawkman is ridiculous. Also political correctness run wild. This type of stuff made the elitist who wrote the article on this show in TV Guide happy, but I somehow doubt that he is much of a comics fan. Also where did Hawkgirl's super strength come from?Hawkgirl without Hawkman is a GOD-SEND. Finally, she can be a strong woman without needing a man. (The sexist implications of Hawkman and Hawkgirl are overwhelming.) Never EVER before has Hawkgirl been such a strong, AWESOME character. If Hawkman was to be on the show with her, he'd surely take the spotlight off of her and relegate her to the role of a sidekick. She's the greatest character on the Justice League right now, and I wouldn't want her demoted because people are worried about a Hawkman.

As far as political correctness, I disagree. Yes, I know that was the intention, but they wanted 7 members and they didn't want Aquaman, and — hey, let's face it — on this show, Diana is really nothing impressive. Hawkgirl, on the other hand, is a warrior. She's fierce, headstrong, and merciless. That's what the League needs.

And Hawkgirl's super-strength can best be attributed to her Thanagarian origin until a better explanation is offered.


4. This show needs other silver-age JLA members namely Hawkman, Green Arrow and the Atom.Yes, I agree with the Atom, and maybe even Green Arrow. But not Hawkman (see above)


5. Batman is the only character still interesting on this series.I don't think we've seen enough of Batman to make that call. Visually, he's atrocious. He needs help desperately. He needs his original B:TAS design, namely. But I don't think Batman's done anything really cool at all so far on this series. He's punched a few things into the computer and he disarmed a weapon melting the polar ice caps, and he made that threat to Deadshot that everyone thought was so utterly hysterical back in The Enemy Below.

Not impressive at all. If Batman were absent from this show entirely, I don't think we'd know it.


6. Wasn't thrilled the way Aquaman was portrayed either. Hes a founding member of the JLA. Aquaman, like Hawkgirl, has never been more interesting. It never made sense he'd be in the Justice League with the powers he had. A Justice League ALLY, yes. But NOT a member.

And FINALLY, in the show, they gave Aquaman an awesome reason for not having a hand. He lost it saving his son. That's the greatest character tweaking I've ever seen. In the comics, it was eaten off by a piranha or something ridiculous. No noble, heroic reason. This Aquaman is great, and made better by the fact he's not a JL member. That could only hurt his impact as Atlantis's king.


7. Would have preferred Barry Allen Flash to Wally West, but I can live with that. I can't disagree more. Wally is the only comic relief of the show. We need that personality in the mix of heroes. If you had said that you wanted GL to be Kyle and Flash to be Barry, I'd let you slide because at least we'd have some conflicting personalities given that they portrayed Barry as a very straight-laced scientist with little sense of humor, which is really not what Barry is, but could be in this situation... if that made any sense at all. :)


In conclusion, this show is not in the same league with either the Batman or Superman cartoons. I truly hope that it improves quickly.Me too.

[peterparker05]

Originally posted by Clark J. Kent
First of all, if you were reading JLA #1 in 1960, you were lightyears ahead of the rest of the entire world; JLA #1 hit stands in 1996.

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I believe he was simply abbreviating the title of the Justice League of America comic that was published in the 1960's.

[The Dark Knight]

Restraint is one thing, but failing to use super speed to dodge an attack, or not flying away from an opponent he doesn't want to fight, is just lack of power use in general, not just holding back so he doesn't hurt anyone. I also don't like John Stewart replacing Kyle, but since it's too late to do anything about it I'll just wait for Sinestro to make an appearance so we can see that ring do something besides make lasers, bubbles, and walls. And even though War World was extremely disappointing (Something in the atmosphere was draining J’onn’s powers? Yeah, it’s called poor writing.) I'll keep tuning in every Sunday because the show is good, just not as great as previous Bruce Timm projects. Believe it or not, I think I had more problems with TNBA than I do with JL. At least the writing on this show doesn’t completely ruin major characters beyond reparation (Clayface, Mr. Freeze).

By the way, Clark, we generally refrain from using personal attacks on these boards, so maybe you want to rephrase your first line.

[GL2k2]

What can you say, man, times change. We will never see a ditko/lee inspired Spider-Man it will always and forever be someone's conception of Spider-Man, but fully based on wholly the 1960's Spider-Man. For one reason, we don't live there anymore, and time goes on.

I feel the same way about Stephen King films, most of the good stories come out of the seventies and eighties, and are kinda dated with what characters say, act, and wear, but guess what, if we see them adapted to screen now, we will lose that. It will be updated like heck and chopped up. The mother in "Hearts In Atlantis" was gang-raped and beaten, but that's not in the feel-goody-two-shoes film. Albeit, it was not that important, just that the message that she was taken advantage of was. But you can't change things, unless you make them your self.

Thank god we have someone who actually cares enough of Tolkien to make a serious film version of the Lord of the Rings series.

[MattL.]

Doesn't ever occur to some of you people that maybe political correctness isn't the singular end all be all reason that John Stewart is on the team?

[Clark J. Kent]

Originally posted by The Dark Knight
By the way, Clark, we generally refrain from using personal attacks on these boards, so maybe you want to rephrase your first line. No I don't. I attacked and congratulated him. I agree with a lot of what he says and disagree with a lot of what he says. The first line reflects that.

[Sugar Daddy]

I like Batman's costume, except for the ears. I really liked the TNBA design a lot better. I just didn't like all the yellow and blue on it. As for JL, it is a good show, it needs to have more Batman though(I wonder how many times I have said that :D)

[The Dark Knight]

Originally posted by Clark J. Kent
No I don't. I attacked and congratulated him. I agree with a lot of what he says and disagree with a lot of what he says. The first line reflects that.
Your post reflects that just fine without your inconsiderate first line. I didn't make the rules on these boards, but I do follow them. Any kind of attack, whether followed by a compliment or not, is not welcome here.

I would be happy if they used less Batman until they had a situation where they could use him to his full potential. If he appears in almost every story arc it detracts from his appearances in general.

[Clark J. Kent]

Originally posted by The Dark Knight

Your post reflects that just fine without your inconsiderate first line. I didn't make the rules on these boards, but I do follow them. Any kind of attack, whether followed by a compliment or not, is not welcome here.Alright. I'm not going to get in an argument with you over this. I think my post reflected that the first line which just offended you so deeply wasn't a genuine statement. It was a just a stupid line. A line I am changing, but it was stupid. He made many points which I agreed and disagreed with, and I'm entitled to do so. I was not attacking him in that trivial little line any more or less than I was in the rest of my post.

If the moderators feel the need to do something about that harmless, meaningless line, they may do so. I'm not changing it. You're just misinterpreting it. I'm completely the same as The New Batman. He has his ideas and I have mine. That makes me a biased idiot as well. I'd never deny that I'm a biased idiot.