24 "Day 7: 3:00 p.m. - 4:00 p.m." Talkback (Spoilers)

[The Penguin]

Pending the end of President Obama's press conference, 24 will immediately follow it.

Jack, Tony and Bill tracked down Dubaku and while he was able to escape, the CIP device was not and was broken at the scene. Having save the Matobos, Prime Minister Matobo contacted President Taylor and told him and his wife where safe and he needed to meet with her (with Jack and Bill coming along). Not so safe is Henry Taylor, who has been taken prisoner by Agent Vossler, now on his way to deliver the First Gentlemen to Dubaku.


http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Galleries/Shows/Numbers/24/season7/crops/24-sutherland172.jpg24: Season Seven
"Day 7: 3:00 p.m. - 4:00 p.m."
Monday, February 9, 2009 @ 9 p.m. ET/8 CT on FOX
WHEN JACK AND COMPANY PAY A VISIT TO THE WHITE HOUSE, IT'S A FIRST FAMILY AFFAIR AS TIME AND LIVES ARE ON THE LINE ON AN ALL-NEW "24" MONDAY, FEBRUARY 9, ON FOX

As the country reels from the recent terror attacks and faces the mounting global ramifications, the administration refuses to acquiesce and presses on with their disapproval of the Juma regime. As Jack Bauer and team head to the White House for a pivotal meeting with President Taylor, Dubaku raises the stakes when he threatens the First Family.

"Day 7: 2:00 p.m. - 3:00 p.m." (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=224309)

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[The Penguin]

At the end of the episode, please visit the 24 Day 7: "Scenes from the next all-new hour" Talkback (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=223055) thread to discuss the scenes from next week's episode (contains spoilers). Please respect your fellow members and use the linked thread to discuss the preview. Many chose not to watch it!

[SirLemming]

The first segment of this episode had more tension than all of last week's episode. Last week was a "procedural" episode, more action than tension; this is the real stuff. You could even say that Henry Taylor has more tension in his pinky finger than the entire... ooh, never mind.

The "Dubaku's girlfriend" subplot was the only false note in this episode. It served two purposes: to conveniently get him out of the building while the assault was happening, and to have someone look into his fraudulent backstory, which I was starting to wonder about. He can't have been in the country for too long (he was in Sangala a month or two ago), but long enough for someone to start asking questions. But I'd be lying if I said it was thoroughly engaging television. It's far from "cougar" territory, though.

Some nice details in this episode: Walker's reaction to the whole family-threatening thing. That scene played out quite well: she didn't really do anything horrific, but just scaring two innocent people like that created a really morally uncomfortable scene anyway. The baby crying just added to the franticness of it. I also liked how Moss isn't convinced that Jack killed Vossler in self-defense; I don't think this subplot will be carried on longer (unless Vossler survived and causes more trouble), but it's nice that he's not totally on board with Jack now. And as I said before, the whole oval office scene was stellar.

If I had to bet, I'd say Henry Taylor survives, even though it's sort of unrealistic that he would. But it was clearly not a heart-wound, so it's not completely outlandish.

[DarkAngel]

I also liked how Moss isn't convinced that Jack killed Vossler in self-defense; I don't think this subplot will be carried on longer (unless Vossler survived and causes more trouble), but it's nice that he's not totally on board with Jack now.
I'm getting a little sick of it. He's been distrustful of Bauer since the beginning and I'm not sure how much more I can take of him dragging his feet anytime Jack wants anything.

Really enjoyed the last two episodes, though. What I'm loving is the team aspect. I love finally seeing Jack, over more than one episode, out in the field with someone else to back him up (and vice versa). Whether it was with Tony and Bill earlier, or Renee this past episode, I really, really want to see this continue. It's something I wanted to see them do in past seasons, and I'm glad we're getting large doses of field teamwork now.

Oh, and regarding the way they got Dubaku out of the building. Yeah, that just stood out. And the thing with Dubaku's girl's sister. Yeah...that's some classic 24 subplotting. Not necessarily in a good way. But I guess it just wouldn't be 24 without this kind of stuff. :)

DA

[SirLemming]

I'm getting a little sick of it. He's been distrustful of Bauer since the beginning and I'm not sure how much more I can take of him dragging his feet anytime Jack wants anything.
Give the man some credit, he did allow Jack to have his way with Vossler's family.

[PickHut]

Pretty amazing that not one single cop happened to be around when Jack was driving crazy, crashing into cars, and yelling at people in the streets. I thought that was funny. Though, I guess it was necessary in order to keep up with the fast pacing towards the end of the episode, especially with the time limit they were working with.

[Temple Fugate]

Everything except Dubaku's romantic subplot was great. Even the FBI scenes were intriguing, as we're still kept guessing as to who's the mole inside the bureau, but not in an annoying in-our-faces way.

The way they're building Renee up is really exciting. What kind of person will she turn into, a female Jack Bauer, or will she actually go the extra step and become a female Henderson? It'd be pretty dramatic if Bauer's influence had too strong an effect, leaving Renee with even less of a conscience than Bauer has, and potentially turning her into a villain.

Great to see this season's running ethical theme (Torture BAD!) getting more attention than last season's (Jack wanting to get out of everything). Keeps things consistent.

The President scored major points. She's cleraly not a cold-hearted military commander, but she knows what's at stake and stays stubbornly rational even in times of emotional distress. Her speech about making the same sacrifices she asked the American people to make solidified exactly what kind of character she is.

Though she clearly isn't perfect, as she somehow believed that Tim Meadows would have been a good lookalike for Ule Matobo.

Henry can't be dead yet. He still needs to tell Jack about the conspiracy and coverup of his son's murder. The good guys still need that piece of the puzzle. I don't expect him to live long, but long enough.


Really enjoyed the last two episodes, though. What I'm loving is the team aspect. I love finally seeing Jack, over more than one episode, out in the field with someone else to back him up (and vice versa). Whether it was with Tony and Bill earlier, or Renee this past episode, I really, really want to see this continue. It's something I wanted to see them do in past seasons, and I'm glad we're getting large doses of field teamwork now.This part of the season has strongly reminded me of the final act of Day 5, with various Homeland and CTU personnel helping Jack bring down President Logan. Things move quickly, plans are improvised, and Jack gets to work off of other good guy characters instead of going the show alone.

I wondered for about ten seconds how Jack knew DC's streets so well, until I remembered that he used to work at the DOD.

[Peter Paltridge]

Pretty amazing that not one single cop happened to be around when Jack was driving crazy, crashing into cars, and yelling at people in the streets. I thought that was funny. Though, I guess it was necessary in order to keep up with the fast pacing towards the end of the episode, especially with the time limit they were working with.
I noticed that too, and it didn't make any sense to me. He came back to the car and no one was there but some thieves, despite the wreck still in the MIDDLE of the street. How bad IS the DC cop system?

[Temple Fugate]

Umm...just in case anybody wants to look up information on the Season 7 24 Wikipedia page...

DON'T.

I just got super major seriously spoiled. Should have gone to 24 Wiki. :mad:

[SirLemming]

Pretty amazing that not one single cop happened to be around when Jack was driving crazy, crashing into cars, and yelling at people in the streets. I thought that was funny. Though, I guess it was necessary in order to keep up with the fast pacing towards the end of the episode, especially with the time limit they were working with.
Well, cops (in real life) aren't omnipresent. It takes a few minutes for them to get to the scene of the crime. By the time Jack got out of the alley some people were there, but he handled them briskly.

Maybe DC wouldn't be such a dump if there were more cops around.

[Icer]

I can always count on 24 to surprise me, just when things were ho-hum;

Jack-Slide!
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[Burgundy Ranger]

I never noticed in the other six seasons because I don't know L.A. from Kabul, but with this season, I'm noticing at just how badly they're butchering D.C. geography!

For example, in this episode -- Jack is leaving the Capitol reflecting pool and trying to cut off the rogue Secret Service guy from getting to Andrews Air Force base.

And to get from the pool to Andrews, you go due East and don't go anywhere near Connecticut Avenue!

[David Lucas]

Icer, I know exactly what you mean.

Up until season 5, 24 was the greatest single achievement of man-kind to me. After 5 years of these "days" though, there's just really nothing revolutionary they can pull off with this show anymore. It's still one of my favorite shows, but I just don't think it can ever get back to the way I felt at the end of Season 1, or even 3.

With that said, I can ALWAYS count on them to at LEAST once per season, give Jack some super-uber-mega-ninja-assassin-bad-ass-ultra move to pull off that just makes me start dancing in prayer around my room and sacrifice small animals to the one they call Bauer.

The Jack Slide.

Just looking at those 3 words makes me smile uncontrollably. Because it just sounds right, Jack Bauer has a sliding gun battle move that is so unbelievably kick ass because it just comes out of frelling nowhere and is just an iconic moment of television for our favorite hero.

It reminded me of that scene in Season 5 when Jack has to sneak on the plane and he just puts his hoodie on, grabs two suitcases and walks right on the plane like it's nothing. One of the sickest things ever.

THEN in the following episodes, he hijacks the plane with a belt.

I've said this a lot while watching this season, 24 as a whole has become somewhat stale. No matter how they try to reinvent everything, you can only do a "mole in your agency" routine so many times before we just don't care anymore.

I'm digging the "A-Team" shennanigans going on with everyone, and if you look at my posts on the night Tony Almeida was "killed" 2-3 years ago, you'll understand how happy I am to have him back on the show. Not to mention I'm really digging Rack Bauer. She has a subtle look of psycho in her eyes that I can't help but find ridiculously attractive. Much like Elizabeth Mitchell does in Lost, or Running Scared. (although, in Running Scared, she probably goes down as the creepiest fictional character ever conceived on film)

All things considered though, she's a WELCOME addition to the 24 crew. She fits right in with characters we've been with since Season 3, some since the first season, and she fits in effortlessly.

At no point am I like, "Damn, what's this broad doing here? She can't keep up with Jack and the boys!" They did a fantastic job with her character, same with the new President.

It's hard for me to let this new Prez come even CLOSE to being what David Palmer was, but I firmly believe David Palmer is the greatest television president.....well....ever conceived on film. If it wasn't for Harrison Ford in Air Force One, he'd be the greatest period.

And even with the retarded subplots going around like wild fire, there's just no way to, after 6 seasons, go 24 episodes without coming up with a bunch of pointless filler. Hell, they were doing it in the first season.

So I let the stupid girlfriend subplot slide. I let the "Oh dear god I don't give a rats ass about the President's husband" subplot slide.

Part of me sometimes chuckles when I see Jack, Tony, and Bill confront the President telling her that the entire system has failed and they are the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Part of me chuckles when Jack drives 9 miles into oncoming traffic with no cops, like some people have already pointed out.

I let the fact that Garoafalo (sp?) and Billy Walsh are having conversations about affairs while at work at the Bureau during a national crisis coast on by.

All the little nitpicks, all the quibbles that every single person on the internet has no option but to make known to the world. I have them all, too. They're all there.

Then I remember why I watch the show.

It's not for the action. It's not for the twists. It's not for the "A-Team". Not to see who lives, who dies. Not to see the bad guys get it in the end.

I simply watch the show to see what Jack Bauer will pull out of his ass of tricks this time.

As if the Jack Slide wasn't the greatest thing since streaming pornography already, we get one of the top 5 greatest Bauer lines ever.

"With all due respect Madame President, ask around."

This show can end up with Bauer creating a time machine and going back to prehistoric times and fighting cavemen terrorists with coconuts, I'll watch every contrived, convoluted second of it simply to see Bauer use a slingshot made of the skin of his enemies to launch a T-rex egg into the head of the lead Pterodactyl carrying the bad guy of Season 11 into a volcano as it's erupting.

[David Lucas]

After typing that last one, I went back to Season 5 to find one of my posts about Tony, and I found this:

"I wouldn't be suprised if this goes Metal Gear Solid on us.

Next season on 24:

Jack: "Who are you!"
Cyber Ninja: "I have no name any more. Ever since the day my beloved was taken from me, I've wandered the Earth searching for her killers."
Jack: ".......T-T......Tony?"
<Metal Gear Rex busts in, which naturally, gets destroyed in about a minute and a half since it's fighting TONY ALMEIDA AND JACK BAUER>"

With the little Otacon-Meryl-Snake team Bauer's got going for him, and Tony coming back from the dead, even more bad ass, to be his most trusted ally, I think I called that pretty well.

[Master Moron]

You know, when Taylor mentioned how many lives Bill's plan has cost, it really made me think. I mean, was it really worth it to give the device to Dubaku just to try to uncover who the moles were in the White House? I mean, hundreds of lives were lost due to Dubaku using the device. Of course, this is 24 so I'm sure next week we'll find out about an even larger plan that could kill thousands or something.

[Temple Fugate]

You know, when Taylor mentioned how many lives Bill's plan has cost, it really made me think. I mean, was it really worth it to give the device to Dubaku just to try to uncover who the moles were in the White House? I mean, hundreds of lives were lost due to Dubaku using the device. Of course, this is 24 so I'm sure next week we'll find out about an even larger plan that could kill thousands or something.They didn't give Dubaku anything. The president didn't have anything to lose by going along with Jack's plan. If she didn't act, her husband would be dead anyway.

Well, okay, she had a little bit to lose. Two men died when Dubaku had their limo blown up, and Jack inadvertentley killed the rogue agent with his knife. But they are farther along than they were an hour ago.

The device was destroyed in the previous episode, as was the man who could have helped Dubaku make a new one. (Dr. Phlox) Whatever's left for the terrorists to do, it will be a totally unrelated plan.

[SirLemming]

They didn't give Dubaku anything. The president didn't have anything to lose by going along with Jack's plan. If she didn't act, her husband would be dead anyway.

Well, okay, she had a little bit to lose. Two men died when Dubaku had their limo blown up, and Jack inadvertentley killed the rogue agent with his knife. But they are farther along than they were an hour ago.

The device was destroyed in the previous episode, as was the man who could have helped Dubaku make a new one. (Dr. Phlox) Whatever's left for the terrorists to do, it will be a totally unrelated plan.
I think he was talking about way back before the day began, when Tony was sent undercover. It really was a major risk.

[Temple Fugate]

I think he was talking about way back before the day began, when Tony was sent undercover. It really was a major risk.
Ah, right. That's actually a good point. It could have been worse, not knowing what Dubaku's "Plan B" was...if it even existed. He may have resorted to kidnapping Henry Taylor anyway. Whatever Dubaku can do without the CIP device, we're likely to find out.

It probably wasn't worth the risk, though. Whatever threats were going to be made against the president, Bill could have misjudged Taylor's character and expected her to concede to the terrorists' demands until his team could recover the device. Obviously she's a very stubborn woman and innocent people were killed in the name of national integrity and peace in Sangala. No matter if her choice was the right one to make, she should never have needed to make it at all.

[The Penguin]

"The rules are what make us better."
"Not today."

Vossler being special forces in Sangala made me feel a little better about his being willing to work with Dubaku and sell out his country. We will never know what his connection was, but whether political or personal, it made it work for me.

Jack and Renee saving Henry Taylor was a very intense scene. I had to believe they were going to save him, but as the last thug standing got closer and closer I didn't know what was going to happen. It looks like Henry is still alive, but for how long we'll have to see. :shrug:

Those two Secret Service Agents did their job well in trying to fool Dubaku's men with the Matobo double, but obviously things didn't work out. They waited just a second too long, of course once they were boxed in there was probably nowhere to go.

So Dubaku's girlfriend Marika has an older sister (Rosa) who doesn't like him? Par for the course for a bad guy's cover mate. We'll see if the rest of it plays out like expected.


Umm...just in case anybody wants to look up information on the Season 7 24 Wikipedia page...

DON'T.

I just got super major seriously spoiled. Should have gone to 24 Wiki. :mad:Man, I'm upset for you. They say they don't do that sort of thing. I've been using them to figure out some of the more minor characters. If it's something that didn't belong up yet I would report it, they should take it down and ban that person.

[Temple Fugate]

Man, I'm upset for you. They say they don't do that sort of thing. I've been using them to figure out some of the more minor characters. If it's something that didn't belong up yet I would report it, they should take it down and ban that person.Well, part of me is hoping it was an error (purposefully or accidentally) on the part of whoever entered the information. But the other part of me is hoping it's true because I'd actually welcome it as long as it's handled well.

If it eventually happens, I'll mention it and then vent about it for those curious as to what may have been spoiled.