Spider-Man Vs. Batman [Archive]

James Harvey

03-09-2002, 10:34 PM

Yeah, but Batman is the smartest guy in the DCU, according to many DC Comics themselves! He can divise ways to take down an enemy by just looking at them and the surroundings. One of my favorite lines from the comics was "I can think of 13 ways to take you down, 6 of them fatal". I love that line, and it can be applied here.

A problem with these VS threads is "if", which can really hamper the discussion - so I think we need to set some ground rules here. Like have an exact situion with no "if's" involved.

So - Batman and Spider-Man head to head in an enclosed area with only exit blocked off completely until someone wins(basically a steel cage wrestling match with real walls and a door). No traps beforehand set. Just the two of them.

I still think Batman would win. He'd be able to evade his webs and punches and take him down by knocking him unconscious (via kick or punch, whatever). I'm a huge Spider-Man fan, but I still think he'd lose. Batman is smarter and a better fighter - very important to this battle. He'd have this fight figured out before the first punch was thrown in any given situation. But that's my opinion, and I am anxious to hear others!

And please no "Batman/Spidey would win becuase Spidey/Batman sucks" posts. Let's have some real discussion on this.

The Green Hornet

03-09-2002, 10:34 PM

spidey is defamed all the time by the bugle

and the bat has a reputation for brutality

a misunderstanding could easily occur

Frank White

03-09-2002, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by Jim Harvey
Yeah, but Batman is the smartest guy in the DCU, according to many DC Comics themselves! He can divise ways to take down an enemy by just looking at them and the surroundings. One of my favorite lines from the comics was "I can think of 13 ways to take you down, 6 of them fatal". I love that line, and it can be applied here.

A problem with these VS threads is "if", which can really hamper the discussion - so I think we need to set some ground rules here. Like have an exact situion with no "if's" involved.

So - Batman and Spider-Man head to head in an enclosed area with only exit blocked off completely until someone wins(basically a steel cage wrestling match with real walls and a door). No traps beforehand set. Just the two of them.

I still think Batman would win. He'd be able to evade his webs and punches and take him down by knocking him unconscious (via kick or punch, whatever). I'm a huge Spider-Man fan, but I still think he'd lose. Batman is smarter and a better fighter - very important to this battle. He'd have this fight figured out before the first punch was thrown in any given situation. But that's my opinion, and I am anxious to hear others!

And please no "Batman/Spidey would win becuase Spidey/Batman sucks" posts. Let's have some real discussion on this.

OK, what type of enemies can he do this with? Does Batman know what he's dealing with? Does he know Spidey's has superpowers? I'm sorry but Batman is just simply not even close to being as agile as Spider-Man, now taking your scenario, a steel cage, Bats has no chance. He doesnt have that much room to move, he can't set traps to trick Spideys spider-sense. Case in point the episode Second Chance, remember when Batman and Robin bust into Two-Faces, operating room? One of Two-Faces thugs shot a light and it fell and his Batman and he got trapped. Where was Bats agility there? If an ordinary thug with average intelligence can trap Batman than surely Spider-Man can. And heres another point, Spider-Man can lift 10 tons, so Spider-Man is about 100 times stronger than Batman(I think, I'm not really that good at math) So if a Batman punch can knock somebody out with one punch, imagine what a good Spider-Man punch could do?

James Harvey

03-09-2002, 11:17 PM

Hmmm...good point, very good point. Batman isn't as agile, but he doesn't need that to beat Spidey. Batman's a quick thinker, and that sequence in SECOND CHANCE took him by surprise. Besides, different circumstances. If Batman and Spider-Man are thrown into a match togethor, there really isn't going to be any surprise moments of one of them popping out of nowhere or shooting off some rounds. This is essentialy going to come down to fisticuffs between the two. There's no room for Spider-Man to websling, or Batman...um...batarang (I suppose...:)). Granted, Spider-Man has his web-shooters, but Batman also has his utliltiy belt and other goods strapped to his gloves and boots. To make this as fair as possible, we'd have to strip both of these guys down to their boxers and masks and have them duke it out mano-o-mano. Call me stubborn, but I still think Batman would win...I know - the odds are against him, but Batman knows every fighting style and fighting trick known to man and he'd be able to fall Spidey with one stratically placed fist.

The Green Hornet

03-09-2002, 11:20 PM

i dunno i think you may be underestimating the Spider Sense

remember spideys fighting style is uterly unique

it would take the batman time to get used to it and adapt, and i think by that time spidey would have knocked him out if its just fisticufs

Frank White

03-09-2002, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by Jim Harvey
Hmmm...good point, very good point. Batman isn't as agile, but he doesn't need that to beat Spidey. Batman's a quick thinker, and that sequence in SECOND CHANCE took him by surprise. Besides, different circumstances. If Batman and Spider-Man are thrown into a match togethor, there really isn't going to be any surprise moments of one of them popping out of nowhere or shooting off some rounds. This is essentialy going to come down to fisticuffs between the two. There's no room for Spider-Man to websling, or Batman...um...batarang (I suppose...:)). Granted, Spider-Man has his web-shooters, but Batman also has his utliltiy belt and other goods strapped to his gloves and boots. To make this as fair as possible, we'd have to strip both of these guys down to their boxers and masks and have them duke it out mano-o-mano. Call me stubborn, but I still think Batman would win...I know - the odds are against him, but Batman knows every fighting style and fighting trick known to man and he'd be able to fall Spidey with one stratically placed fist.

OK, I'll give you that, straight fist fight, no weapons or jumping Bats MIGHT win because his fighting skills are so much better than Spider-Man's. But I'm still not sure because of Spideys super-strength. See Spidey's kinda like Superman, he holds back because he doesn't want to seriously injure who hes fighting.

James Harvey

03-09-2002, 11:27 PM

Spider-Man doesn't really have a fighting style. The most formal fight training he's had was his short lived wrestling gig. When did he train? If he didn't train, then it's be cake for Batman to take him down. Batman wouldn't need to observe him to realize Spidey lacks forma training. Spidey knowns some street level moves, but that's it, in terms of fist fighting. And yes, The Spidey sense would help him avoid a few punches, but Batman is a machine and will back Spidey into a corner (without Spidey realizing it) and pummel him. Batman can manipulate his oppents very easily.

The Green Hornet

03-09-2002, 11:31 PM

but none of batmans villians move even remotely similar to spidey

all his acrobatics and what not would confuse the batman

Mattashell

03-09-2002, 11:38 PM

I disagree, all web shooters and utility belt Items should be allowed. I also feel the space should be large enough for some degree of evasion and so forth. When ever I here about "If XXX fought XXX who would win?" I imagine someting like a Roman colliseum. In this case that colliseum would have to have walls and a cieling in order to keep these two contained.

Borg4of3

03-09-2002, 11:48 PM

This'll be the first time i participate in a vs thread... yay! And JH, I'm glad you set up ground rules as a constant we can all follow!

Lets see now: for starters, Bats doesn't have the great advantage everyone thinks he would if "he had enough time to prepare". So, no acidic battle armor that would negate Spiderman's webbing and strength; no specially designed Batarang that would home in on the super-agile Spidey; no whatever-neat-toy-that-could-disable-Spidey-in-one-hit thing only Batman could think up. He'll still have his Batarangs, Bat-grapple, and smoke screen, tho, which might be put to some good use.

Still, I just have to say that this gives Spidey a huge advantage. I mean, Bats still is pretty prepared for just about anything, but since this seems to be an all-out fight... Spidey can't be blind-sighted, he's abundantly agile, and he's got greater strength than 10 gorillas. I mean, Batman can't be blind-sighted, he's abundantly agile, but he don't got that type of muscle. I mean, the Bats can counter anything, but if a freight train was coming at him, I don't think even the Bat can deflect that.

Then again, if Batman realized this quickly (he could survive a ramming punch from Superman so there wouldn't be any one-hit KOs here), he might try to attack with words. Now, Spiderman is known for his witty comebacks, but I'm pretty sure that Batman could get under his skin somehow. Of course, that might only end up hurting Spidey's ego, or make him cry, or make him even more angry. I dunno, tho Batman would think up something that I know I couldn't.

Unless Batman thinks up something quick and deadly, I'd give this fight to Spiderman. Now, if only Batman had enough time to prepare...

Frank White

03-10-2002, 12:07 AM

Woah.. Spider-Man is the godfather of quick solutions. Case in point Amazing Spider-Man # 3. In Spidey's 1st fight against Doc Oc they are fighting in a research lab and Spidey actually finds some chemcials, whips them togehter and makes a solution that fuses Ocks "arms" together.

The Game

03-10-2002, 01:06 AM

Batman would whoop Spiderman. He's too smart and resouceful- I just think he's too much for Spidey.

-The Game

James Harvey

03-10-2002, 01:59 AM

If shooters and belts are allowed, then Batman has it down, easy. He can pull some amazing thing sout of that belt, and it would be no problem for him to take the easy way out and through in a gas ball and knock out Spidey. Then again, he couldn't do that. He'd likely blind him with one of his fish grenades, throw a batarang to distract Spidey's spidey-sense (which Batman would realize he had in a few mere moments) and then pound him. I realize that Spidey's Spider-sens ewarns him of danger, but sometimes that doesn't help Spider-Man duck a punch or dodge a bullet. Spider-Man has to figure out what is causing his spider-sense to go off, and if he can't it'd useless (I remember I read that in a back up in one of Spider-Man comic annuals).

Then again, there's Spidey's web shooters. Batman could easily get out of these by using the knife in his glove (a la Return of the Joker). But, if Spidey webs Batsy in the eyes, then it may be game over, probably.

but none of batmans villians move even remotely similar to spidey

Doesn't matter. Batman is a quick learner and can adjust to any situation in mere seconds. Even body language and give Batman all the info he needs. Batman studied this stuff for 10+ years. I think he could figure out Spidey quickly and effeciently.

The Green Hornet

03-10-2002, 02:29 AM

im convinced that if he were using impact webbing and stingers he would probably beat batman

heres the REAL question

could COSMIC spidey beat BATMAN? :D

also what if he had a symbiote costume? it enhanced his powers and really fine-tuned his spider sense....

James Harvey

03-10-2002, 02:35 AM

Originally posted by The Green Hornet
im convinced that if he were using impact webbing and stingers he would probably beat batman

heres the REAL question

could COSMIC spidey beat BATMAN? :D

also what if he had a symbiote costume? it enhanced his powers and really fine-tuned his spider sense....

Let's keep this the normal Peter Parker Spider-Man, and not Ben Rielly, symbiote, or Cosmic Spidey. This is Batman and Spider-Man, mano - o - mano with no extra perks. Just themselves with their suits. I'm trying to set some boundaries here so we can stay on topic.

For the sake of it: Batman (vs. stingers and impact), Spider-Man (Cosmic)m Possibly Batman (symbiote). Now, let's get back to the real match, please...

The Green Hornet

03-10-2002, 02:39 AM

i know this isnt QUITE on topic but i dont want another thread for it because i think someone can answer it

didnt Punisher beat the Batman in Punisher Vs. Batman the comic?

James Harvey

03-10-2002, 02:42 AM

Originally posted by The Green Hornet
i know this isnt QUITE on topic but i dont want another thread for it because i think someone can answer it

didnt Punisher beat the Batman in Punisher Vs. Batman the comic?

Nope. It was a draw between the two with no clear cut winner. Both of them sort of...I guess 'retreated' before the fight could get into full swing. I own this book and it makes an awesome one-shot. Beautiful art by John Romita Jr. Why this guy isn't drawing Batman I'll ever know - he's perfect for it.

Now back on topic...last time we saw them, Batman was beating Spider-Man...:)

Batman 80

03-10-2002, 03:15 AM

This would make a heck of a fight(these 2 are my top 2 favorite heros). In the end, I think Spiderman would win not only because of his strength, agility, and speed(yes his speed is faster than that of an average human), but also because of his intelligence. And Spidey isn't that bad of a figther, he did beat Kraven a few times(who is a pretty good fighter himself). He also beat fought Daredevil to a standstill who also is a great fighter in his own right.

Gyro

03-10-2002, 11:47 AM

Heh, the poll says it would be a tie :)

Naraht

03-10-2002, 11:56 AM

and I just broke it in Spidey's favor...

here's why...

the rules said that there are walls, and a ceiling...

Spidey being spidey, almost always goes to sit on the wall/ceiling, and Batman wouldn't be able to follow...

Now, granted, batman has some range with Batarangs, gas pellets etc. But Spidey sense & distance work in Pete's favor..

Wing Zero

03-10-2002, 12:50 PM

Hmmm...this is gonna be a close match. Now since there are walls and everything. yea spidey would probably climb on there. But I really don't see THAT much use of him doing that besides avoiding an incoming batarang and then have another come at him right when he gets up on the ceiling. Batman has studied many different fighting styles during his training and he's also pretty quick at picking up things. Spidey of course has the super-agility and strength which is a PHYSICAL advantage to Batman. The Bat has the MENTAL advantage. Now the realy deciding factor is if Batman can figure out something quick enough before Spidey nails him because Peter Parker isn't dumb either ;)

So in the end.....Batman, no Spider-man, no....err....Batman! I think it would be close but Batman's got all that training(mental and physical) under his belt. I think he could pull it off...but it would still be a tough fight.

LazyReaper

03-10-2002, 01:38 PM

For Spiderman, I think alot of you are mistaking his agility and his spider sense. Batman is a human being. He's got a lot of detective and fighting skills with him, but it's not gonna help him in a fast paced fight, especially when spidey is literally going around him and dodging everything he throws at him. There might be a few hits here and there with batarangs and stuff, but Spiderman has dealt with a lot more fire power than those little things to hold him off.

Also, for the person that said that Batman survived Superman's punch, when was this? Even if it was, it's not very helpful in this topic. Superman holds back, especially when going against humans..

Not to say that Spiderman doesn't hold back, but this is about Spiderman and Batman going against each other full out. Spiderman, who has the strength of 10 tons, is definitely gonna knock out Batman with a mere punch or two. I don't care what kind of armor Batman has, there's no way a full out punch like that can have Batman survive. I believe that Batman wears a bullet proof and metal plated armor for everyday patrols (correct me if I'm wrong), something that Spidey shouldn't have any problem hitting through.

I remember a issue of Spiderman where he was fighting wolverine, and a women came up running behind him. Spiderman's sense went off (of Wolverine being close), and Spidey turned around (and thinking that it was wolverine) gave his all and punched her right in the face. If you've seen this issue you can see exactly how much power spidey has. One good punch from Spiderman and Batman's history.

Batman may be agile, but spiderman would be able to dodge his punches and kicks without breaking a sweat. Ex. Ultimate Spiderman #2 (and that's when he's young and inexperienced). The smoke bombs wouldn't do much good either. Batman could cloud the area and try to sneak up on Spiderman, but Spiderman still has his Spider sense, and would be able to dodge away.

Here's a little brief description about his power from spiderfan.org:

Spider Strength: "...His enormous spider-strength allows him to lift or press 10 tons or more (if he's under stress), and perform all kinds of life-saving feats (including lifting buses and shielding little kids from falling debris.) His strength also helps him crash into Four Freedoms Plaza whenever he feels like it.

Spidey's might makes him deadly in hand-to-hand combat, which is his main form of direct attack. He uses strength with his spider-sense and speed in combat, making him extremely hard to surprise, harder to hit, and even harder to withstand."

Spider Speed: "He can move and react several times faster than an ordinary human. His relfexes allow him to dodge a bullet (if far enough away), and coupled with his uncanny spider-sense, gives him a definite advantage in dangerous situations. Very rarely is Spider-Man surprised or unaware in a fight, now matter how sneaky or devious the villan is."

Spider Sense: "This ability has saved Spidey umpteen million times in the heat of battle. It is an extended danger sense, and it gives Peter an itching feeling at the base of his skull whenever danger is near. The scope of this power is enormous, and aids him in both everyday and combat situaions. The sensation this power gives him helps him to 'focus-in' on the source of the danger. It acts like radar, guiding him if he's stricken blind (which has happened more than once), or plunged into darkness.

Spider-Man's sense also warns him of potential danger, such as a hidden weapon or a disguised enemy. It alerts him of other types of danger as well, including times where his secret identity is at risk, or crumbling ceilings, creaky floors when he is trying to be silent..."

"...As mentioned above, the greatest advantage of the spider-sense is that it is used in conjucntion with his other abilities. Most times Spider-Man can react on instinct alone, helping him to avoid a barrage of bullets or other rapid attacks. Often, he doesn't even need to think about impending danger, his reflexes will do the job for him. Spidey can ignore his spider-sense if the moment demands it, even though it is quite difficult."

Another thing that I left out was Spiderman's intelligence. Peter is a scientist. In a lot of fights, when he's incapable of defeating his enemies with his brawns, he has always used his smarts aswell. Batman maybe the greatest detective, but Spidey's not an idiot. After a while, he too would also be able to pick up Batman's pattern and fighting style. To say that Batman could use his smarts against Spidey would also be hard to figure out. Both of them have an equal share of intelligence.

This post is getting long, so I'm just gonna stop.... for now :p

-Aximlli-

James Harvey

03-10-2002, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by Aximlli
Another thing that I left out was Spiderman's intelligence. Peter is a scientist. In a lot of fights, when he's incapable of defeating his enemies with his brawns, he has always used his smarts aswell. Batman maybe the greatest detective, but Spidey's not an idiot. After a while, he too would also be able to pick up Batman's pattern and fighting style. To say that Batman could use his smarts against Spidey would also be hard to figure out. Both of them have an equal share of intelligence.

Good points! (I like this - some serious hardcore discusison without resorting to juvenile cracks - thank you!)

This comment Io have a problem with. Spider-Man doesn't know fighting styles. Batman knows well over ahundred and can easily go from one to the next. There is no way Spider-Man could pin point Batman's fighting style, mainly becuase he doesn't know any. Spidey hasn't had any formal training and would not be able to pick up any moves that Batsy is doin'. Batman has been around the world training. Spidey's been the a wrestling ring.

And yeah - I know that Spider-Man is smart, but Batman is smarter. He's the smartest man in the DCU, so that has to say something. He could easily outwit Spider-Man if he was forced to. I still say Batman could wear him down mentally, then take him down with a couple well placed punches.

And Axmilli - yer doing your homework - I like! :)

RorShaq

03-10-2002, 02:40 PM

Look, for my money, Batman is a hundred times cooler than Spider-Man. But that doesn't mean anything in a physical brawl. Spider-Man is just in a completely different league than even the most highly trained human. Spiderman will sometimes take on over a dozen trained fighters at once and come out victorious. Batman, being just a man, tends to get overwhelmed. I've always thought of Spider-MAn as one of the more powerful earth-bound heroes in the Marvel Universe, and it just seems kind of ridiculous to match Batman up against him on just the physical level.

CadaverousEyes

03-10-2002, 03:13 PM

As much as I favor Batman, I don't think any amount of fighting knowledge can save you from a guy who can dodge lightning and lift 10 tons, without any beforehand knowledge. Spidey can just web up his eyes and mouth and hit him once on the head as soon as the fight starts.

metaphysician

03-10-2002, 03:14 PM

Ok, before this goes any further, I'll sum up how this fight goes:

-With preptime: Batman wins

-Without preptime, Batman starts within 30 feet/steel cage match: Spiderman wins

-No Preptime, Batman at greater than 30 feet: Batman disappears, and returns later with preparations. See "with preptime."

Borg4of3

03-10-2002, 04:12 PM

Although I voted for Spidey already, I'm gonna add to the Batman defense. On Spidey's smarts, yes, he is ingenious. But that usually is only in the fields of chemistry and physics, neither of which really play that much of a part in this battle. Yes, he is great at improvising, but while Spiderman is making stuff up, Batman will at the same time be deducing a practical plan of attack. Batman's skill at fighting definately would come into play, since there are probably techniques that use a person's strength against them.

Oh, and Batman survived a hit from Superman in World's Finest. It was a hit based less on Superman's held-back muscular strength but outright speed, since Superman used superspeed to ram Batman, making him fly across the room and slamming his back into a wall. Batman slumped over, and then simply stood back up. Batman may be human, but don't forget that he's one durned strong human.

Frank White

03-10-2002, 08:06 PM

Oh! World's Finest, well that wasn't a punch in the face though. And if I remember correctly Batman was slumped down for a couple moments giving Superman enought time to use x-ray vision. Those couple moments would cost him dearly in a fight agaisnt Spiderman. Another factor to think about is look at Bats and Spideys villians. I'm willing to bet Spidey could take down all of Batmans villians with ease. I mean the only real hard hitters are Bane, Clayface, Mr.Freeze, and Killer Croc. But some of Spidey's villians are rediculously strong, take Carnage. He's 5 times as strong as Spider-Man, has all of his powers, and Spider-Sense doesn't work agaisnt him. I'm willing to bet Batman wouldn't last 5 minutes agaisnt the Lizard in a fight because he's just so savage and fast. True he fights agaisnt Man-Bat but is Man-Bat really trying to hurt Batman or run away from him? Another example would be Electro, the one and only reason Spidey beats this guy is because of his agility, if not Electro would just electricute him.

Barb Gordon

03-10-2002, 08:59 PM

Wow, this has become quite the discussion! At first thought, I would immediately say that Bats would come out the winner...but, now that just doesn't seem right. Even if Batman had time to prepare, it would still be a pretty hard battle. Spiderman has a lot more aligity and flexbility compared to Batman. Even if Batman had a whole bunch of gadgets with him, Spidey could still use is webshooters to block almost anything. I'd say Batman could win if maybe like he were able to nail Spidey with an batarang that could shoot eletricity through it...that would definetly knock Peter down. Batman could probably get under his skin with certain remarks, but whose to say Peter couldn't do the same? It would be a pretty tough fight and I think that whoever would win, would only just manage it. Now, Nightwing against Spidey would also be interesting, considering that Nighty is a lot more agile and flexible then Batman.

Barb^-^

BatKid

03-10-2002, 09:06 PM

About Nightwing being more flexible than Bats, I still think Bats is still pretty flexible and agile. While Nightwing is young and has trained since he was young, Bats still seems to be in his prime right now. I mean, Bruce trained constantly, learned from the best all over the world, and even has overcome many tough obstacles (Knightfall storyline). Maybe his prime state has passed, but I think Bats will always be the best, that is until he becomes a 60 yr. old senior. :)

Mattashell

03-10-2002, 09:39 PM

I think that is they swapped rougue gallerys, both heroes would have an easier time than normal. Sure Spidey would have nearly no trouble roping up most of Bat's villains. Spidey's enemys tend to be both stronger and dumber, with a couple of exceptions, Batman would outsmart that dim bunch and have them in jail overnight.

TheScarecrow

03-10-2002, 09:39 PM

To get this back on topic, I voted for Batman, but even I have to admit that it would be a slim chance. It's really hard to pick a winner here because these two are fictional characters that have been written by many "creative teams" over a 60+ year history. The winner would not only depend on physical and mental superiority, but also many other factors.

That said, I picked Bats because he seems more disciplined then Spider-Man, and I don't see him being really fazed by Peter's wise-ass remarks, and would use that time where Peter is joking to think of a way to take him down. If Bats can take down Superman, who has more powers and is more disciplined then Spider-Man, then I think Bats can take Spider-Man down as well.

But it would depend on a lot of things really. It would be a super close fight, that is for sure.

Frank White

03-10-2002, 09:44 PM

You know I'm starting to think people give Batman to much credit for taking down Superman. Give Spidey a million dollars and kryptonite and I'm pretty sure he could beat Superman too.

TheScarecrow

03-10-2002, 09:59 PM

That's probably another edge that Batman has over Spidey that he could use against him. His millions of dollars and vast resources that could be used in many ways to take down Spidey.

metaphysician

03-10-2002, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by Frank White
You know I'm starting to think people give Batman to much credit for taking down Superman. Give Spidey a million dollars and kryptonite and I'm pretty sure he could beat Superman too.

Not necessarily, for the same reason that many villains have tried to take down Supes with kryptonite in the past, and failed: proper application of kryptonite requires cleverness and skill to prevent, say, the superspeed removal of said Kryptonite.

Batman has the skill to do this; Spiderman does not. Spiderman lacks the discipline.

Against Superman, you only get one chance.

Naraht

03-10-2002, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by metaphysician

Not necessarily, for the same reason that many villains have tried to take down Supes with kryptonite in the past, and failed: proper application of kryptonite requires cleverness and skill to prevent, say, the superspeed removal of said Kryptonite.

Batman has the skill to do this; Spiderman does not. Spiderman lacks the discipline.

Against Superman, you only get one chance.

Spidey makes some kick ass plans...he thinks on his feet, he has a sharp learning curve....and what better way to take down supes than to attach Kryptonite via webbing!

The Green Hornet

03-10-2002, 10:15 PM

spidey is inventive enough to come up with a webbing solution that is mixed with kryptonite

i remmeber in one episode of his animated series he mixed webbing solution with enhanced garlic and drove morbius mad with it ;)

Frank White

03-10-2002, 10:15 PM

Sorry but most of the villians that use kryptonite agaisnt Superman are idiots.

Dark Knight

03-11-2002, 02:41 AM

Originally posted by Frank White
Sorry but most of the villians that use kryptonite agaisnt Superman are idiots.

Are we forgetting Superman's arch foe? What good is Lex if he's not one of the cleverest men on Earth, and even his Kryptonite dependant plans usually fail.

FLIPMODE

03-11-2002, 04:35 AM

Ok, but the facts are not being presented here. It seems that with facts people have the Spidey facts and issues down to a science, but when it comes to Bats, they go with the over advertised, "generic" descriptiion of who Batman is, and why he wont win.

Well here are the things that get overlooked, and why I think Batman will definitly win. I agree with Jim, and think he's on the right page by going with Bat's fighting ability. Steel Cage match...not a problem for a guy who knows every style on earth, and mastered.
Let's get this out of the way first.

- Anyone read the 1st of the Batman Spiderman, crossovers? Batman allready beat Carnage to a Pulp. "Next!" The Joker and Penguin may suck physically, But Batman has a LONG list of defeated Meta-Humans. Deadshot, Killer-Croc, Block Buster, Deathstroke, etc, and these are all he took on physically without a trap, or else I would'nt have mentioned them.

-A note, Even Bane without Venom, is still considered practically Meta-Human. And just to extinguish future posts, just know that: yes Bane Broke Batman, but not until AFTER Bats defeated his entire Rogue's gallery, practically non-stop, while battling Illness, and Saving many, many people. So even still Batman's truest defeat was done so by one cunning plan, equal to what Batman is capable of. Bane did not just bust in the cave, and Break Batman.

-With that said, people like Bane, Cain, Shiva, Batgirl, are not considered normal humans. And this includes Batman. The level of their skill places them above most masters. This is why in any given fight you can see them moving amazingly fast dodging or throwing punches. Breaking objects with their bare hands, like slabs of concrete. *Infact for instant gratification, Get BATMAN#600, in the stores now, in the scene where he fights Nightwing, Bruce kicks a shot to NW's head; misses, and the column is clearly cracked by the force of the kick, page 24.*

So when referring to Batman vs Sidey in respect to Spidey's abilities, it almost wrong to classify Batman in the range of the "average human". Not saying that Batman can shrug off a full force blow to the head from Spidey,...But at the same time, what makes you think Spidey can land one of those Punches on Batman?

-Speed is a factor, and Batman has Dodged as many Bullets as Spidey. Infact, Supes has a hard enough time landing anything on Batman, without resorting to flight or Superspeed, things Spidey does'nt have. Batman has heightened awareness, through years of training, and this is something one can and has learned. In Marvel they call it Spidey sense, albeit, Spidey's sense is more efficient than Batman's keen awareness to his surroundings, but it works the same. Try shooting an arrow at Batman with his back turned, he'll either catch it or dodge it. This is the foundation of the basis that he is able to dodge allmost every gun attack.

-Personally, If anyone knows Shiva, I dont think Spidey would be able to beat her in fist fight. Which makes Batman, a great match. Shiva and similar fighters move at incredible speeds and are deadlier in one hit than Spidey. Not because of Superstrength, but because of their vast knowledge of things like pressure points on the body, and death blows.

-My thing is, 10 tons of lifting? Granted. Spidey Sense? Granted. But why? Superman has atleast invulnerability to aid him, Spidey does not. Meaning, Nothing can penetrate SUPERMAN, but this is not true to Spidey, that's why he is always dodging everything. And I think THIS is the key factor as to why, Batman would be a good "fight" in the traditional sense. Nothing would stop a sharp object from peicing Spidey. So him and Batman are in the Same vulnerable boat, if they are caught. Nothing in Spidey's Power's makes him "tuff-er ", than a normal human. Even Aquaman has a thicker Skin than Spidey.
Spider-man's powers make him a walking DEFENSE system. Everything Aids him to avoid, and then strike later. But he avoids because most of the physical threats he cannot withstand, making him Very similar to Batman. Vulnerable.

-Spidey cannot, withstand a gunshot to the chest, stabbing, or a very hard hit. *Daredevil once tricked Spidey , by Splitting his staff in to two, throwing one half, which alerts his Spidey senses, which he dodges, then the other half is undetected until it was too late for Spidey to dodge. BUT, the point is not only was his Senses used against him, but, Spidey was knocked out cold from ONE shot to the head of a stick*

-So based off those things, Im evening the odds, but also saying given those points I Definitly think that Batman would be amongst ONE of the few beings on earth to be able to land a punch on Spidey. And with consistancy. Why? Well Combat. Batman has all the Combat skills on earth, while Spidey has None Mastered. So once again, Spidey is not just fighting the average human. Spidey will have to work for his win.

My conclusion is, in a steel cage match, Out of ten Fights, Batman wins 6 matches, Spidey Wins 4. By the way, Batman also holds back alot. Afterall he's not a killer. With the space provided it would come down to, who could pull off the most technique, before the other, and that's Batman hands down. No question he can Knockout a combo of effective skill before Spidey will FIGURE out how to counter it. And to win Spidey will NEED to learn how to counter these moves, because regardless, dodging will not be enough to beat Batman, especially in a cage. Infact the cage enhaces what Batman can do more than it does for Spidey.

Mattashell

03-11-2002, 04:57 AM

I've really been enjoying reading the arguements on this thread. I started a Marvel DC Wars thread (that was moved to Comics) hoping for exactly this sort of result. Instead people just responded with the names of the winners (in their opinion). I was hoping for more thoughtful responses like the ones here. Here's a link if anyones's interesed. It's kind of dead though.

http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22023

metaphysician

03-11-2002, 11:01 AM

One *Huge* problem with all this "kryptonite webbing" ideas:

Peter Parker has no way to make Kryptonite.

AFAIK, the only people who have ever made kryptonite in the comics are Batman himself, and Ra's al Ghul ( using plans stolen from Batman ). IOW, people with billions of dollars and scientific genius.

Peter Parker does *not* have the resources or knowhow to create kryptonite.

As for acquiring some, aside from the above mentioned people, the only other person to have any kryptonite is Lex Luthor.

Good luck stealing it from *any* of them.

James Harvey

03-11-2002, 11:09 AM

Please folks - stay on topic. This is Batman VS Spider-Man, okay? Please stay on that topic. If you want to do Superman VS. Spider-Man then start a new thread. I can't stress this enough - stay on topic.

James

03-11-2002, 12:23 PM

Batman.

I'll try not to go indepth as so much has been said.

Batman is an obsessive - he is also extremely disiplined and he rarely under estimates his foe. Despite not being as fast or as strong, a well organised and disciplined mind will learn how to use this to his advantage.

Spider-Man may have a fast learning curve, but if this was a vital situation, you'd only get one shot with Batman - I don't think Spidey has the discipline or the tatical background to take Batman out.

LazyReaper

03-11-2002, 12:46 PM

Ok, this has pretty much gone far enough. Comparing Superman Vs. Batman is NOT a fair argument on this thread. Superman is in NO WAY Spiderman. Spiderman is a whole new person (Not to mention that he's from the Marvel Universe). I personally think that alot of you are just combining Superman and Spiderman together on the same boat, mainly because of their powers. It's the easy way out in this thread. Not to mention totally wrong.

Right now, we're talking about Batman vs Spiderman; both of them are in their prime duking it out to their fullest. Before we leap ahead even more, we should make a few things clear: They are both in a well lit room with ceilings and walls, with enough room for both of them to move out and in towards each other comfortably. There are no items or 'furniture' in the room. They are both in their regular costumes with their regular gadgets, weapons, and abilites.

Now with the argument: Batman (physically) is a human being. Yes, he's trained in many different fighting techniques, and skills. But that doesn't prove him winning over Spiderman. Some of you seem to have rated Spiderman to a realisticly known (or lower) level; yet when it comes to Batman, the stakes and his skills, unknowningly, become higher than usual than any other DC villian or hero. I've seen the same for spiderman, but so far it seems non-existant in this thread.

Batman is a human being. Yes, he has a number of skills and techniques, but will he actually be able to get close enough to use them? To play out the fight; The belt of smoke bombs, batgrapples, and batarangs will probably be his main source of weapons once Spiderman starts clinging to the walls. Batman is smart but he doesn't control minds. He doesn't have telechnetic (sp?) powers. He will use it in his fighting skills. Batman is resourceful. He uses things around him in his fights. Mostly his enviroment. He uses darkness against his enemies. The same goes for Spidey. He uses building and skyscrapers as a tool against his enemies.

Without both of those in the room, they both will have to come out hiding. Batman can't hide in the room, and Spidey can't go around and confuse him through the landscape. And if they both are to fight each other to their fullest (for some strange reason :rolleyes: ), they'll have to go to hand to hand combat.

There might have a little scenerio of Batman throwing Batarangs and smokebombs and Spidey Dodging and webbing him. But that won't really prove anything either. Batman has a limited number of batarangs and Spidey has limited webbing (Assuming that he doesn't change his carterages).

Both will eventually come down to a fist to fist fight. Batman having his fighting skills will plumet them to spidey. But Spiderman has his agility and Spider sense. Batman and Spiderman probably won't use any of their weapons, since it proved unsuccessful at the start. They will most likely continue their fighting. Spiderman will most likely duck or dodge his blows (combined with his spider sense)

Now here's the hard part. Spiderman and Batman are both human. In one way or another, they both have their durability and strengh. Spiderman lackes durability, but makes up for it with his strength, agility, and spider sense. Batman lackes in strength, but makes up for it in his durability, and his fighting skills. I'm not counting intelligence here, because both of them will need their enviroments to work with.

Batman will use his fight skills to the fullest. And Spidey will still most likely dodge or duck his blows till he can get a good hit.

In my opinion, the fight will be long and undoubtly stressful. Assuming who gets tired or gets the first hit. The fight could go either way.

I personally think Spiderman could win. All he has to do is tire out bats, get good punch at his face, and boom! Game over.

In my opinion, anway ;)

This is a discussion that has been going on for years, and will be for years to come. Personally I think that there really is no right or wrong answer to this. DC and Marvel wouldn't allow and full out fight like this, due to the risk of comic sales. I think best we can do is state our opinions. I doubt it can ever be resolved, even though that's half the fun :p

-Aximlli-

James Harvey

03-11-2002, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by Aximlli
I personally think Spiderman could win. All he has to do is tire out bats, get good punch at his face, and boom! Game over.

In my opinion (:)), I think Spider-Man would tire first. Look at KNIGHTFALL or NO MAN'S LAND where Batman was pushed to his limits and went literally days without sleeping. There is no way Batman would tire first. He has the stamina to go that extra mile and then some! I stil think Batman would take it.

Then again, maybe in mid-fight they'd ask why they're fighting, realize there's no point, and go hang out at the Peach Pit with Dylan and Brenda. (I know, lame 90210 joke....)

LazyReaper

03-11-2002, 01:09 PM

LOL, I just looked over my post, and there's some pretty bad grammer in there. Sorry for those who got confused reading it, I was kicked off the computer, and was writing everything off the top of my head while I had the chance. I didn't even get to read my post, let alone edit it. *sigh* ah well.. :p

-Aximlli-

Mattashell

03-11-2002, 03:24 PM

I like to think of it this way. Batman is walking down the street and sees Spiderman.

Bats: Hello there. You look like a super hero.

Spidey: I am. My name is Spider-Man

Bats: I'm a hero too. My name is Batman.

Spidey: Seen any crime today?

Bats: No, there is no crime today.

Spidey: I've got an idea! Let's have a fight and see who wins.

Bats: That's a great idea. I know a large enclosed space with walls and ceilings where we could do it.

Spidey: Okay. No eye gouging or hiting below the belt.

Bats: Agreed. Let's go.

They shake hands and walk off together.

metaphysician

03-11-2002, 04:05 PM

If you limit this to a bare room, then you've just crippled the Batman. No cover, no escape to reconnoiter and prepare, and not even enough room to force Spiderman airborne ( and, thus, prevent him from dodging ).

Over at my usual forum, we call this "Captain America with Mjolnir vs. Batman, naked, sans utility belt, tied to a post, beaten unconscious."

P.S.: Batman is smart enough not to engage in melee, because he would get creamed. Spiderman is too fast and too strong for a normal person to realistically melee.

LazyReaper

03-11-2002, 04:07 PM

LOL. I know it's dumb. I think it'd help alot if everyone knew what they were fighting about.

~shrugs~ maybe both of them could be hypnotized to fight each other or something. :)

-Aximlli-

TheScarecrow

03-11-2002, 05:48 PM

What if Joker broke out of Arkham (again) and headed to New York. Bats follows him there. Joker and the Norman Osborn/Green Goblin, or one of Spidey's enemies meet up and decide to come up with a plan that would get their rivals to fight each other so they can "pick the bones" so to speak.

Maybe have someone dress up in Spidey's costume and be seen with Joker robbing a bank, which would get Bats to after Spidey. Spidey, while trying to clear his good name, is trying to avoid getting captured by the man dressed like a Bat that he knows very little about and they get into it.

Sorry, but that was the best I could think of. :p

Gyro

03-11-2002, 06:09 PM

Woah, Bats pulled into a demanding lead since I was last here.

Carnage

03-11-2002, 06:32 PM

I think that Spider-Man's Spidey sense alone would let him beat Batman, it definitely gives him an unfair advantage at least. My favorite super-hero has always been Spidey, but that doesn't mean that I don't think Batman hasn't got a chance, I just think that Spider-Man has an unfair advantage, which makes Batman that much cooler. I'm sure Batman would be able to win some way, it would just depend on the circumstances. But the fact that a normal guy (well... normal as in, no super powers) could beat a guy with super powers makes him that much cooler.

-Carnage-

The Mad Hatter

03-11-2002, 06:35 PM

That reminds me of the Batman/Spiderman crossover that was printed a few years back. From what little I could remember, the Joker was implated with a device that finally made him docile and sane. Carnage (think Venom as a semi-shape-shifting psycho killer, if you don't know him) extracts the device, and the two go on a rampage. However, Carnage (who simply likes excessive violence) is too much for the Joker, who likes his mayhem with a little flair. Spidey and Bats have to clean up after them.

They didn't fight though... sorry!

Frank White

03-11-2002, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by metaphysician
If you limit this to a bare room, then you've just crippled the Batman. No cover, no escape to reconnoiter and prepare, and not even enough room to force Spiderman airborne ( and, thus, prevent him from dodging ).

Over at my usual forum, we call this "Captain America with Mjolnir vs. Batman, naked, sans utility belt, tied to a post, beaten unconscious."

P.S.: Batman is smart enough not to engage in melee, because he would get creamed. Spiderman is too fast and too strong for a normal person to realistically melee.

Hey whats your usual forum?

metaphysician

03-11-2002, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by Frank White

Hey whats your usual forum?

www.comicbookresources.com. Specifically, the Comic Book Rumbles forum. We've gotten the rules and regs for proper character vs. character fights pretty much down pat.

JusticeLeagueLegion

03-11-2002, 10:00 PM

I think that if Batman can take out Bane, he can take out Spider-Man.

The Green Hornet

03-11-2002, 11:14 PM

banes garbage
compared to almost ANY of spideys villians

FLIPMODE

03-12-2002, 12:27 AM

You guys dont know Bane to well. The guy is basically a Beefed up Evil Version of Batman. Two key things about Batman is his razor sharp mind, his unmatched combat skills, and his ability to learn and adapt.

It was no coincidence that Bane was given ALL the same attributes. Only reason why Bane is not viewed as THE Bat villain these days, is because theY sparingly use him. Which is good. (BANE FROM B:TAS IS NOT WHO IM REFERRING TO BY THE WAY).
But the guy can still Crush Metal with his Bare hands without Venom!

And Bane is Brain and Brawn. Bane's Almost as keen as Batman, What Spidey Villain is Almost as keen as Batman? Most of Spidey's villains are hybrids of the Jokers personality, with Meta-human abilities, plus throw in that they are MAD scientists.

Also like to reverb that, Batman personally handed a can of woop-a** onto Carnage. So my vote stays in Batman's corner.

Borg4of3

03-12-2002, 12:45 AM

I never read the Spiderman/Batman crossover, but heard that Batman beat Carnage by a psychological attack. Very plausible, and also proof that one can't say "Since A beat C, then A can beat B" since the same tactic won't work against Spidey.

When I brought up Batman's surviving a hit from Superman, it wasn't to build Batman up for 'beating' Superman, but just evidence that Batman may be human, but he's about as strong as a human can possibly get without meta-powers. And on Bane, Spiderman doesn't have a tube coming out of his head as an easy weakness, and, in the comics, has Batman ever fought Bane after Knightfall? I completely was absent during Contagion and Legacy, but I know he didn't even want to fight Bane during NML. If he hasn't, then he hasn't beaten the real Bane in a fight.

And despite all that, I still say Spidey would win in this match because Brains won't be as much an issue as simple plain brawn. Above everything, I think this simplistic argument takes precedence. Batarangs and fighting techniques are simply distractions in this battle, since, as I said, Batman can counter anything, but he can't dodge nor deflect a 16-ton weight pounding into him.

FLIPMODE

03-12-2002, 01:54 AM

Nor can Spidey withstand a blow to the chest from a single Batman punch. Spidey can dish out the Pain, but he can't take it. Sure Spidey can lift a tone, but drop a ton on him and he'll crush just like any other man.

Borg4of3:

I never read the Spiderman/Batman crossover, but heard that Batman beat Carnage by a psychological attack. Very plausible, and also proof that one can't say "Since A beat C, then A can beat B" since the same tactic won't work against Spidey.

There was no psychological assault, Batman Swung in on a Line, Carnage, Formed Knives out of his hands, and kept Swaping at Batman, Carnage kept missing. Batman defeated him some sort of vertical kick. Batman Defeated carnage, a meta-human with no device in his hands, with no plans except raw combat.
Again this highlights what many people are in the Dark about Batman's abilities. I'd say to get an Idea of what Batman is like, look up Shiva or Batgirl. Why I say that is, with them they only focus on one thing, how fast, strong, and unstopable they are with just fighting alone, yet they're human. That's how far Batman is with his skills, he's moving at breakneck speeds, combined with mastery of the arts to a level almost no one achieves. That is what enables him to be able to dodge someone as fast as Carnage.

. And on Bane, Spiderman doesn't have a tube coming out of his head as an easy weakness, and, in the comics, has Batman ever fought Bane after Knightfall? I completely was absent during Contagion and Legacy, but I know he didn't even want to fight Bane during NML. If he hasn't, then he hasn't beaten the real Bane in a fight.

Bane does'nt have nor does he need that tube now. Everyone knows drugs are a weakness.

Batman has Fought Bane after Knightfall. Not a huge event, but Batman won all the same. He basically exacted revenge on Bane, in tactical manners as Bane did to him in Knightfall. Note: Neither Bane nor Batman have Thrashed each other on fair terms.

Knightfall was a well thought out plan, for Bane's victory. And The Same goes for Batman's low key victory. It ended in Batman trapping Bane in this kitchen filled with Gas, and he exploded the the guy. The fight was'nt much, but Bane went home defeated and angry.
Other than that, I really cannot remember how the fight went with Bane and Bats in "Legacy" where Bane was "Ubu". I'll have to check.
And in NML, I know what issue your referring to, but first realize that Batman had bigger fish to fry. Bane was just being a neusance. However they DID fight, I totally Forgot, I just pulled it out. This time no planning against the other just a brawl. And it was pretty good one. Bane did Damage, but in the end Batman proved his dominance over Bane. It ended in humbling Bane in 3 consecutive Punches to the head. Then before he get's to finish him off, Bane took the cowards way out by telling Batman, that a bomb was placed at where innocents will be hurt, and had only seconds before it wernt off. Bane now knows who the real King is .

You should get both Batman/Spiderman, crossovers. In one of them a cool scene has Batman Piggy back on Spidey, as Spidey climbs a moutain, but an avalanch comes in, and wipes them out. Oddly enough Spidey is knocked out by the fall, Batman carries him to Safety. Let's face it Spidey could get seriously hurt by Batman and vice versa. A great fight.

RorShaq

03-12-2002, 11:32 AM

Yeah, but Batman versus Carnage was pure garbage. I mean, a writer can go insane and have Batman beat God-Man in unarmed combat, but it would be a betrayal of character history.

Naraht

03-12-2002, 11:41 AM

Yes, Spidey could probably take out Bane...heck, he's defeated the Jaugernaught @ least once....granted, it took a construction site, and tricking Jaug into walking to some liquid cement...(this was a LONG while back...Jaug was trying to "enlist" the help of Madame Web to counter Prof. X...)

Both are great heros...I think in this forum Batman, Superman, & Beyond spidey's getting the Underrated treatment, one person said Spidey can't take punishment? Oh yes he can...and he always gets up, and starts slugging, webbing, etc.

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Borg4of3

03-12-2002, 12:56 PM

Ah yes, Homecoming from NML. I think Batman said it best, "You may have licked Venom... But it was venom that gave you your superhuman strength! Without it, you're just a loser mook like all the rest" Tho it is debateable that Bats was just killing Bane's ego, and the fact that Venom isn't the cause of Bane's high intellect, but still, without Venom, Bane is substantially weaker than in the past, tho still admittedly much stronger than your average man. Yet, definately not as strong as Spiderman.

Hehe, personally, I like the fight between Bane and Bats in the novel version of NML better... :p

FLIPMODE

03-12-2002, 01:30 PM

I can never get myself to read that novel. :(

James

03-12-2002, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by naraht
Yes, Spidey could probably take out Bane...heck, he's defeated the Jaugernaught @ least once....granted, it took a construction site, and tricking Jaug into walking to some liquid cement...(this was a LONG while back...Jaug was trying to "enlist" the help of Madame Web to counter Prof. X...)

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I think the difference is the Bane does not rely on brute strength. He's cunning. I think this puts Bane in a different league to Juggernaut.

As for the crossovers - if there ever is a source more unreliable than the cash cow that is the crossover... well I just don't think you can refer to them as facts.

To me it's a question of super powers of strategy. Is Spidey too quick/strong/fast for Batman or has Batman got the cold rational mind to take Spidey down. From here it's mere supposition!

CadaverousEyes

03-12-2002, 05:53 PM

Spidey's taken many hits from the likes of Venom and Rhino, who are much stronger than him, and gotten up every time. Batman's strong, but in a cage match, he'd have to use something like knock-out gas or tranquilizers to win.

*Remembers crossover where Batman beat the Hulk by drop-kicking him in the solar plexus* Writers can be so stupid sometimes.

FLIPMODE

03-16-2002, 03:46 AM

See this is what I mean, huge over simplifications. Where do they come from? Even on the Spiderman board Last year someone mentioned the same Hulk/Batman fight and described it the same way.

He did not just Kick Hulk in the stomach, and the Hulk went out flat.

In close Range Batman released knock-out gas. Hulk is dumb, but was smart enough to hold his Breath. For SHOCK Value only, Batman Strikes a fierce kick to Hulk's Stomach. The result was that HULK took a deep gasp of the Gased air. Batman Tricked him.

The kick did NOT hurt the hulk. Infact I believe it even "READS" something like; "the kick wont harm him at all, but will startle him, catching him off gaurd, breaking his concentration from holding his breath". Even the writers were carefull enough to make this very claer, what more could they have done to show that the win was about tactics, not brute strength.

And yes, it's the hulk, but at the very least, a full power kick from Batman should at the VERY least account for a "startle", even on the Hulk. Batman has and can bust concrete with those same feet.

James Harvey

03-16-2002, 03:37 PM

After reading through these posts agin, and seeing the fight from both perspectives, I stil lthink Batman would win, and that Hulk fight is a good example. He does one thing that causes a distraction to make for the final blow. I know Spider-Man has his Spidey sense to (according to Stan Lee) "warn him of danger". But sometime she can't figure out where the danger is coming from and can have his Spidey sense easily confused. This is where Batman would swoop in and finish Spider-Man off. Batman may not be a pysical match for Spider-Man, but Batman has the mental capacity and cunning to take him down.

The Green Hornet

03-16-2002, 03:46 PM

honestly i think it could go either way

i feel that way about his fight wtih the hulk, supes etc

all it would take is for supes/hulk to land a SOLID blow in the right spot and the batman may never think again

then again batmans a superior fighter and knows how to dodge etc

in the end, batman v. anyone would end up however the writer wanted ;)

Frank White

03-16-2002, 04:39 PM

True but take into acount that 1st Bats has to figure out Spidey has Spidey Sense, two he has to formulate a plan to figure out how to beat it, Bats is smart but I dont think even he can concentrate enough when Spidey is going all out on him. And please dont compare a Hulk-Batman fight to a Batman-Spidey-Man fight, the Hulk is an idiot.

The Green Hornet

03-16-2002, 04:40 PM

an idiot he may be but ONE blow would kill the batman

CadaverousEyes

03-16-2002, 08:48 PM

Hulk has taken tank shots and missiles without even flinching, yet one hit from Batman "startles" him. Right. That should have broken his leg, just like he almost broke his spine when he punched Superman.

And to add more to the actual subject, Prometheus beat Batman. Prometheus is just a Taskmaster clone. Spider-Man beat Taskmaster without suffering a humiliating defeat. Batman cheated horribly to take down Prometheus.

Spider-Man

03-17-2002, 04:50 PM

I think it all depends on how fast Batman figures our Spider-Man's Spider-Sense. If Batman figures it out quickly (which he might be able to), our web-slinger may be doomed. If not, then Spidey could have the upper hand.

LazyReaper

03-17-2002, 08:37 PM

Just because Batman discovers the Spider sense, doesn't mean that Spiderman is doomed. I'm sorry, but I just don't see this. Once he has figured this out, he'll have to form a plan (Like many of you have already stated). And in a full out battle, I doubt he'll have the chance for any prep time. He could screw Spidey's Spider sense up with some fake punchs and batarangs, but once he starts bringing in the muscle, I doubt he would win at the end. Batman's fast, but he's human. Spiderman has genetically encoded spider DNA within him. He is much more faster. AND stronger. And his spider sense (discovered or not) will definitely make him hard to hit.

Batman's punchs and kicks will probably do some damage, but Spiderman's much more stronger, and has been through much more fire power than something like that to stop him.

All Spiderman needs is one or two good punchs to knock out Batman. And Batman's bulletproof and metal plated armor, is defintely something that won't stop good 'ol Spidey's punch to rip through. Especially if he's giving it all he's got.

-Aximlli-

Mr. Unspeakable

03-18-2002, 04:23 AM

For me, this fight comes down to home field advantage, i.e. in Gotham at night, Batman would win, while in New York in daylight Spidey takes it. On a neutral site, I think Spiderman wins by a thin margin. Also, due to his strength, I feel Spiderman can take more bat-punches than Batman spider-punches. Batman's skill and training pretty much counter Spiderman's agility and spider-sense, so I think they would land about the same amount of punches. In any event, it would be a very close and interesting fight.

James Harvey

03-18-2002, 11:48 AM

I think people ar eunder estimating Batman's strenght and speed. Yes, Spidey is fast and can throw a mean ounch, but Batman can take down almost anyone by pinching a certain nerve or hitting just the right spot. Batman can take down Spider-Man easily, simply becuase he knows alot of ways to take someone down just by looking at them.

The Green Hornet

03-18-2002, 12:18 PM

jim i think you hit it on the money when you said it would be all over if spidey webbed batmans eyes

and i also agree with you that i doubt batman would be throwing punches and kicks for very long-- hed go for nerve shots pretty quickly i think

James Harvey

03-18-2002, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by The Green Hornet
jim i think you hit it on the money when you said it would be all over if spidey webbed batmans eyes

Then Batman could blind Spider-Man with a light flare (like in Vendetta). There are just so many possibilties and things to take into account here that maybe we'll never figure it out. All we have is our own personnel opinions...and that may be all! :)

Naraht

03-18-2002, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by Jim Harvey

Then Batman could blind Spider-Man with a light flare (like in Vendetta). There are just so many possibilties and things to take into account here that maybe we'll never figure it out. All we have is our own personnel opinions...and that may be all! :)

No offence, but Spidey is better equiped to fighting blind than Bats is..

Again..spider sense, the unknown factor..in that depending on who you talk too, spidey's spider sense is either gonna make or break him.

I think age plays a part here...a Newbie Spiderman would have his ass handed to him by an experienced batman...and vice versa.. (Sorry, Bruce's first "fight" he nearly got killed taking on common thugs..there's no way he'd last against an experienced Spiderman...)

Hrm, how would early Batman fare against early Spiderman?

That would be an interesting fight, mainly because
1) It's more believeable, both would be rookie crimefighters, and both were portrayed as menaces to society when they stepped into the Superhero Ring..they could think the other was a villian, and go after each other..
2) Neither would have really hit their peak, and would be dicovering what works and what doesn't.

I think Spiderman would have it..but I could be wrong.