Dragon Ball Z: FUNI vs Original?!

[gtadbzman]

This thread is to vote for which version of DBZ do you like better. The original or FUNI's dub. Personally, I love both. So which do you vote for? I'm having such a hard time choosing. I have just began watching the show in Japanese and it is very enjoyable. I also grew up with the FUNI dub and am use to it. I also like Faulconer's music.

[GingaDaiuchuu]

For the most part, I like the FUNimation dub better. However, Brian Drummond will always be Vegeta. you understaaaaaand his Wrath!! is over 9,000!

[gtadbzman]

For the most part, I like the FUNimation dub better. However, Brian Drummond will always be Vegeta. you understaaaaaand his Wrath!! is over 9,000!LOL! I loved his Vegeta. He reminded me of a sneaky, slithery snake.

[D Dubbs]

This thread is to vote for which version of DBZ do you like better. The original or FUNI's dub. Personally, I love both. So which do you vote for? I'm having such a hard time choosing. I have just began watching the show in Japanese and it is very enjoyable. I also grew up with the FUNI dub and am use to it. I also like Faulconer's music.

Wait...by original version do you mean the original Japanese version (which is what I'm getting from this opening post) or the original Ocean dub (which is what you put in your poll)?

[SpaceCowboy]

I actually like both equally. However, I only like Funimation's dub when it is the track with the original Japanese BGM on the newer DVDs. The Japanese version gets on my nerves sometimes, probably due to the hissy audio and Mazako Nozawa's high-pitched voice for adult Goku.

Preferably though, I also like the Ocean dub and outside of Master Roshi the voices fit better than Funimation's. Scott McNeil's Piccolo is the English voice of Piccolo for me, Chris Sabat sounds like a pale imitation. However, Sean Schemel is much much easier on the ears than Peter Kalamis.

[Mr. Anime]

The Funimation dub. Simply because it's the one I grew up to and have fond memories of.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I think I prefer the original Japanese version the most as that version allows for far better acting. Masako Nozawa pretty much created Son Gokû. She is a HUGE reason why he is so beloved worldwide. After 22+ years no other could ever hope to surpass her.


While I grew up on the original Ocean and FUNimation dubs I think as a late I've begun to see how seriously flawed the two/three are. Peter Kelamis did a great job in his recordings for the first three DBZ films however his stuff for the Artificial Human Saga is simply destructively painful on the ears. Sean Schemmel's dialogue is almost as terrible as his acting from 1999-2001. Once Sabat started doing his own thing with his characters he improved...save for ReaCoome, which seemed to become more and more...mentally challenged.

The original version uses real and downed to Earth acting. Piccolo and Vegeta sound like real people and the acting is quite layed.

[DemonLordShugo]

Not that I hate dub, but I'm gonna have to side with the Japanese version, it has more life in it than the dub, plus they kinda sound more like real people

Plus, Goku's a man-child so Nozawa's voice fits!!

Plus the Japanese music is more emotianal and has meaning, oh yeah, Brian Drummond actually made Vegeta hilarious (he sounded like a snake)


But honestly like both FUNimation's dub and the Japanese version

[Silverstar]

The original Japanese version of Dragon Ball Z technically isn't a dub. FUNImation did the original US dub of DBZ up until the Ginyu Force episodes, after which Ocean took over, IIRC.

[Rob_TF]

The original Japanese version of Dragon Ball Z technically isn't a dub.

Technically it is a dub, due to the Japanese following a practice of recording voices as dubbing to preliminary animation.

[ensatsu-ken]

The original version uses real and downed to Earth acting. Piccolo and Vegeta sound like real people and the acting is quite layed.

But who the hell wants to watch DBZ for realism? :p

Anyways, my vote goes to the manga, because its better than both the dub and the sub for the anime, by far, IMO. Plus, it is the "real" original version of Toriyama's Dragon Ball, with absolutely 0 filler. :D

Since its not a real option, though, I would probably go with the sub. So far, I have only managed to see the first season, subbed, but I like what I have seen, so far. I disagree with Sean's voice acting as Goku being terrible. I believe that his actual voice acting skills were adequate, even when he first started out. Sure, you can argue that he didn't portray the character well, and that may be true, but still, his actual voice acting was pretty decent, overall, IMO.

To be honest, I would say that I like both versions of DBZ equally, since I still have yet to see the rest of the series subbed, but the reason I picked the sub, is because I'm just assuming that it maintains its quality throughout the rest of the series.

That said, what I will say is that when it comes to filler episodes, I definitely prefer the dub. They change the dialogue and add in tons of cheesy jokes. In fact, they are so cheesy, that I end up laughing my ass off. In the sub, the fillers just feel like filler, to me (from the ones which I have seen subbed), and like the filler from most other series, it often puts me to sleep. :p

[DemonLordShugo]

But who the hell wants to watch DBZ for realism? :p

Anyways, my vote goes to the manga, because its better than both the dub and the sub for the anime, by far, IMO. Plus, it is the "real" original version of Toriyama's Dragon Ball, with absolutely 0 filler. :D

Since its not a real option, though, I would probably go with the sub. So far, I have only managed to see the first season, subbed, but I like what I have seen, so far. I disagree with Sean's voice acting as Goku being terrible. I believe that his actual voice acting skills were adequate, even when he first started out. Sure, you can argue that he didn't portray the character well, and that may be true, but still, his actual voice acting was pretty decent, overall, IMO.

To be honest, I would say that I like both versions of DBZ equally, since I still have yet to see the rest of the series subbed, but the reason I picked the sub, is because I'm just assuming that it maintains its quality throughout the rest of the series.

That said, what I will say is that when it comes to filler episodes, I definitely prefer the dub. They change the dialogue and add in tons of cheesy jokes. In fact, they are so cheesy, that I end up laughing my ass off. In the sub, the fillers just feel like filler, to me (from the ones which I have seen subbed), and like the filler from most other series, it often puts me to sleep. :p


I gonna have side with you Ensatsu, I admit I like both I mean I mostly lean towards the Japanese versions on most shows, but with DRAGONBALL it's one of the few shows where I like both, though I like the remastered dub better than the original

[Gan Xingba]

As with most things, there is no 100% straight answer with this. All three versions had their strong points and their weak points. I think the best way to do this is to break it down by character. So, here's my list for the major characters in DBZ:

Vegeta - Brian Drummond (Ocean)
Piccolo - Scott McNeil (Ocean)
Young Goku/Young Gohan - Masako Nozawa (Japanese)
Frieza - Ryusei Nakao (Japanese)
Adult Gohan - Kyle Hebert (Funimation)
Goten - Kara Edwards (Funimation) [Yes, I know it's blasphemy to go against Nozawa for a kids role, but come on! Edwards' version is just so darned adorable]
17 - Chuck Huber (Funimation)
18 - Meredith Mauldin (Funimation)
Cell - Damion Clark (Funimation)

I'm undecided on Trunks, because I think both the Japanese and Funi VAs do pretty bang up jobs, and Goku and Krillen because I don't think any of their voices are the ideal, even though each version has its strong and weak points (ie Schemmel's fight scenes whoop ass). Buu's voices I just plain dislike in all versions. As you can see, though, I feel Funi really hit their stride in the Cell/Android arc. All the major villains were excellent in it. Voice acting wise, Ocean did a pretty stellar job for the first fifty or so episodes where they took their time, though obviously the scripts had massive flaws. Funi's scripts weren't too much better for a while, though like I said, by the time they got to the Cell arc they were much improved.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

But who the hell wants to watch DBZ for realism? :p

Anyways, my vote goes to the manga, because its better than both the dub and the sub for the anime, by far, IMO. Plus, it is the "real" original version of Toriyama's Dragon Ball, with absolutely 0 filler. :D

Since its not a real option, though, I would probably go with the sub. So far, I have only managed to see the first season, subbed, but I like what I have seen, so far. I disagree with Sean's voice acting as Goku being terrible. I believe that his actual voice acting skills were adequate, even when he first started out. Sure, you can argue that he didn't portray the character well, and that may be true, but still, his actual voice acting was pretty decent, overall, IMO.

To be honest, I would say that I like both versions of DBZ equally, since I still have yet to see the rest of the series subbed, but the reason I picked the sub, is because I'm just assuming that it maintains its quality throughout the rest of the series.

That said, what I will say is that when it comes to filler episodes, I definitely prefer the dub. They change the dialogue and add in tons of cheesy jokes. In fact, they are so cheesy, that I end up laughing my ass off. In the sub, the fillers just feel like filler, to me (from the ones which I have seen subbed), and like the filler from most other series, it often puts me to sleep. :p

When the performance isn't 'real'...you get a 4Kids dub. With the terrible script Schemmel has to typically read from it sounds like he's a typical Superman-type where as his dialogue is typically much different in the original (none of this 'Savior of the Universe' stuff, more like "I'm a Super Saiyan, and I am pissed!" even though some fans feel even that line is a a little OOC on Son's part but at least it's what Toriyama wrote for him). Dub Son Gokû let Vegeta live because he "thought he was a good guy" or something like that. Originally Son wanted Vegeta to live so he could fight him again, because he lost and wanted to beat him.

[SpaceCowboy]

I think I prefer the original Japanese version the most as that version allows for far better acting. Masako Nozawa pretty much created Son Gokû. She is a HUGE reason why he is so beloved worldwide. I highly doubt all those European fans who initially watched the series on local TV grew up on the Japanese version.:p

[Gold Guy]

The Funi dub for me.

[ensatsu-ken]

When the performance isn't 'real'...you get a 4Kids dub.

Not exactly, considering that animation isn't something that has to be "realistic." Perhaps you and I just have different definitions of "real," but I personally don't watch animation for realism, but rather for entertainment. Part of the reason for why I love animation, is because it can get away with tons of stuff that wouldn't work out so well in live-action. I was drawn to Dragon Ball, with the dub, the manga, and more recently the sub, because it has great characters which have such memorable qualities.

They all have something great about them, and something that you wouldn't find in a person in the real world, these days (and I mean in personality, not just in their physical ability). Maybe you find realism in Dragon Ball, but as for me, I enjoy it for the great qualities it has that are things which I wish I could have, but cannot, in the real world, since our society doesn't work the same way as it would in a fantasy. ;)

Basically, to me, the way they speak in both the dub and the sub has a firm feeling to it, showing that many of the characters in this series are "larger than life," in a sense. I mean, if they all spoke like "real" people, they wouldn't strike me with the same vibes. Imagine if Son Goku sounded like a "normal" person. Would that really make his character seem like something greater than a normal person, or would it demote him to feeling like a generic shounen hero, in various ways? My point here, is that the strenghths of the voices happens to be the fact that they do "not" sound like real people speaking. At least not to me.


With the terrible script Schemmel has to typically read from it sounds like he's a typical Superman-type where as his dialogue is typically much different in the original (none of this 'Savior of the Universe' stuff, more like "I'm a Super Saiyan, and I am pissed!" even though some fans feel even that line is a a little OOC on Son's part but at least it's what Toriyama wrote for him).

I believe that you missed my point. I didn't say that the script for the dub was good, but I said that Schemmel's actual voice acting wasn't bad. There is a difference between the script at the quality of the voice actor himself, just so you know. ;)


Dub Son Gokû let Vegeta live because he "thought he was a good guy" or something like that. Originally Son wanted Vegeta to live so he could fight him again, because he lost and wanted to beat him.

I am aware of this, since I did see the first season subbed, and read this in the manga a long time ago (though I still do remember it, mostly).

But, that wasn't even the point of my post. You still seem to be stuck on the idea that I'm trying to make the dub out to be better than the sub, or something along those lines. That's not what I'm trying to do. And as far as my post that you just replied to, goes, I wasn't even saying that the script was accurate, this time. All I said was that I found Sean's voice acting to be OK. I suppose a better way to word it would be to say that he could have pulled off an decent version of Goku, had the script been properly translated from the original Japanese version of it.

And, yeah, I know you and many other fans would still prefer Nozawa's voice, and say that Sean's voice doesn't fit Goku, but, in that respect, while nobody said that Goku had to have a voice that sounded tough and manly, I don't believe that Toriyama said that he had to have a voice that sounded a bit too much like a child, for someone speaking from an adult's body. Of course, Goku is a child at heart, and I agree that Nozawa's voice does fit him very well, but I also feel that his personality could have also been portrayed through a more adult sonding voice, just as well, if the script was done correctly.

[creativerealms]

People actually like Goku's Japanese voice? Wow I never thought I would see that. Sure she's good as Young Goku but as Adult Goku the voice is just so wrong and unfitting. Schemmel's Goku is about to sound like a "Manchild" without sounding like a litle kid.

I like the voices of the English dub, it's the script that sucks. The japanese version is better as a whole but the voices themselves are not bad.

[G1Ravage]

Original Japanese only.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Not exactly, considering that animation isn't something that has to be "realistic." Perhaps you and I just have different definitions of "real," but I personally don't watch animation for realism, but rather for entertainment. Part of the reason for why I love animation, is because it can get away with tons of stuff that wouldn't work out so well in live-action. I was drawn to Dragon Ball, with the dub, the manga, and more recently the sub, because it has great characters which have such memorable qualities.

They all have something great about them, and something that you wouldn't find in a person in the real world, these days (and I mean in personality, not just in their physical ability). Maybe you find realism in Dragon Ball, but as for me, I enjoy it for the great qualities it has that are things which I wish I could have, but cannot, in the real world, since our society doesn't work the same way as it would in a fantasy. ;)

Basically, to me, the way they speak in both the dub and the sub has a firm feeling to it, showing that many of the characters in this series are "larger than life," in a sense. I mean, if they all spoke like "real" people, they wouldn't strike me with the same vibes. Imagine if Son Goku sounded like a "normal" person. Would that really make his character seem like something greater than a normal person, or would it demote him to feeling like a generic shounen hero, in various ways? My point here, is that the strenghths of the voices happens to be the fact that they do "not" sound like real people speaking. At least not to me.



I believe that you missed my point. I didn't say that the script for the dub was good, but I said that Schemmel's actual voice acting wasn't bad. There is a difference between the script at the quality of the voice actor himself, just so you know. ;)



I am aware of this, since I did see the first season subbed, and read this in the manga a long time ago (though I still do remember it, mostly).

But, that wasn't even the point of my post. You still seem to be stuck on the idea that I'm trying to make the dub out to be better than the sub, or something along those lines. That's not what I'm trying to do. And as far as my post that you just replied to, goes, I wasn't even saying that the script was accurate, this time. All I said was that I found Sean's voice acting to be OK. I suppose a better way to word it would be to say that he could have pulled off an decent version of Goku, had the script been properly translated from the original Japanese version of it.

And, yeah, I know you and many other fans would still prefer Nozawa's voice, and say that Sean's voice doesn't fit Goku, but, in that respect, while nobody said that Goku had to have a voice that sounded tough and manly, I don't believe that Toriyama said that he had to have a voice that sounded a bit too much like a child, for someone speaking from an adult's body. Of course, Goku is a child at heart, and I agree that Nozawa's voice does fit him very well, but I also feel that his personality could have also been portrayed through a more adult sonding voice, just as well, if the script was done correctly.

Because I'm all over the place and I'm far too busy to break this post up into smaller sections I'll write a general statement: dub scripts: terrible. Dub direction and acting: cartoony and often terrible (due in part to relative inexperience on FUNimation's side). Sean Schemmel: with good script and ADR direction: could be pretty good, but far too late to match or surpass Nozawa's twenty-two years of crafting the character. Voices themselves: cartoony and obviously stretched due to unwillingness to recast in the vein of FUNimation's modern dubs.

I'll get back to this later.


People actually like Goku's Japanese voice? Wow I never thought I would see that. Sure she's good as Young Goku but as Adult Goku the voice is just so wrong and unfitting. Schemmel's Goku is about to sound like a "Manchild" without sounding like a litle kid.

I like the voices of the English dub, it's the script that sucks. The japanese version is better as a whole but the voices themselves are not bad.

Wrong? An entire generation of fans and the production staff and creator of the franchise would disagree. Man adult men are voiced by women in Anime, Luffy for example from One Piece is a man (while seventeen I would describe him as a mature and responsible member of society, aside from being one of the highest bounties on the seas, of course). Nozawa played the character for over one hundred episodes and so it was felt it was totally pointless to throw away that character that had been built. Toriyama crafted the original but she fleshed the character out much further through her acting and connection with the fans, espcially as the years have gone by. She's more Son Gokû and his sons than Sean Connery is James Bond, for crying out loud! Funnily enough, Schemmel declared himself the Roger Moore of Son Gokûs.

The thing about Dragonball is that the original Japanese production will always be the universal version of the franchise. It's truely the way the series was meant to be seen and heard. Same with One Piece (although FUNimation's version is a terribly great tribute that can be enjoyed a great deal, too). Such applies to all Anime, truthfully.

[macattack]

The thing about Dragonball is that the original Japanese production will always be the universal version of the franchise. It's truely the way the series was meant to be seen and heard. Same with One Piece (although FUNimation's version is a terribly great tribute that can be enjoyed a great deal, too). Such applies to all Anime, truthfully.

I disagree with this. In my mind, the universal version of any anime franchise is the version you deem it to be. You prefer Voltron over GoLion or Macross over Robotech, that's your prerogative and your choice. You prefer the English-dubbed Code Geass over the Japanese or the Japanese Trinity Blood over the English, that's up to you. The universal version is what you deem it to be, there's no set standard.

[SSJ Jake]

In terms of the voice acting, I enjoy both, but I'm going to have to go with the original. I'm not a fan of many of FUNi's stupid script changes, inaccuracies or the dub music, but I for one like FUNi's voice actors and prefer them to Ocean's.

The original Japanese version is truly legendary stuff. Even after years of playing him, Nozawa still seems to pull off Goku, young or adult, just fine. Too bad I can't bare to listen to the original on FUNi's DVD releases. Seriously, it wouldn't hurt to clear up some of that foggy old audio, would it?

[gtadbzman]

The original Japanese version of Dragon Ball Z technically isn't a dub. FUNImation did the original US dub of DBZ up until the Ginyu Force episodes, after which Ocean took over, IIRC.I know, I just saw that and should change it. :sweat: I still can't decide. lol

[buttah]

Funi, it's what I grew up with and it's what I'm used to and even though I've given the Original a try I can't stand it. Especially when I hear Goku's voice, I hate that he sounds like a little boy or woman..whatever the interpretation was supposed to be.

[gtadbzman]

What I wanna know is why they always make that hissing sound in Japanese. It's kinda odd. Usually they do it when they're really ticked off. What does it mean?

[DemonLordShugo]

What I wanna know is why they always make that hissing sound in Japanese. It's kinda odd. Usually they do it when they're really ticked off. What does it mean?

Blame the sound director Nobuhiro Komatsu, he probably wanted a unique way to indicate that the characters are mad, as a result I use this whenever I'm voice acting as influence and to distinguish myself from other amateur VA's

But I guess we'll never know the reason why that is

[SpaceCowboy]

What I wanna know is why they always make that hissing sound in Japanese. It's kinda odd. Usually they do it when they're really ticked off. What does it mean?I suspect Toei shot the series on poor quality film stock to begin with, or we've just gotten really bad prints over the years. I have no idea whether the audio on the DragonBox sets is any better than what Funimation has given us, though it could be.

[ensatsu-ken]

Because I'm all over the place and I'm far too busy to break this post up into smaller sections I'll write a general statement: dub scripts: terrible. Dub direction and acting: cartoony and often terrible (due in part to relative inexperience on FUNimation's side). Sean Schemmel: with good script and ADR direction: could be pretty good, but far too late to match or surpass Nozawa's twenty-two years of crafting the character. Voices themselves: cartoony and obviously stretched due to unwillingness to recast in the vein of FUNimation's modern dubs.

I'll get back to this later.

The English voice actors being terrible is only your opinion. Many of the voice actors from DBZ are great with dubs. Sure, they were much weaker in their DBZ roles, but that's only because most of them got there start there. Even then, there actual voicing of the character was not bad, for the most part. Trust me, I've seen far worse dubs (and yes, I'm sure that you know all to well that there are other DBZ dubs that have even far worse voice acting than any of the voice actors from the FUNimation or Ocean dub of DBZ).

Also, it is kind of hypocritical of you to just say that the voices aren't good for any of the characters (and once again, I only mean the voices, in terms of their tones, not in terms of the actual English script) in the dub, while criticizing anyone who doesn't really like the sub voices.

Oh, and as for the acting being too "cartoony," I think that you are forgetting that DBZ is essentially a cartoon (and yes, I do consider anime to be cartoons from Japan).

I'm not quite sure what is so realistic about DBZ's sub at all. I mean, I don't speak Japanese, but I'm willing to bet that Japanese people don't sound like the characters in anime in their normal speech (in regards to seeing video interviews with mangaka, seiyuu, etc.). I mean, sure, it may seem more believable, if that's the term which you want to use, but I just can't see it as being realistic, since normal people wouldn't talk like an anime character in their normal speech, no matter what country that they are from. To give a better example, I would compare how American people normally talk, to how people talk in Hollywood movies. Sure, their speech and acting might be more "believable," but there is a difference between that and realistic, since actors are trained to have distinct voices for different characters, but make those voices work out well, and be easy for an entire audience to comprehend. If you compare the way that you, friends, family, or other people that you know speak, to the ways actors in movies speak, then the difference is clear.

So, basically, there is no "realism" in acting or voice acting in entertainment. There is just good, mediocre, and bad acting, and if the dub voice acting is bad to you, in DBZ, then that's fine, but just because you feel that way, doesn't mean that its a fact. Other people like it, as you can see, and even people like me still enjoy the dub to some extend. And, BTW, just for the record, in case you try to say that I am being bias towards the sub, I would just like to remind you that I voted for the sub, and even stated that I would pick the sub, if I had to choose, in an earlier post.

BTW, I agree with macattack. The universal version of an anime is what you deem it to be. Actually, scratch that. There is no unviersal version of an anime, because different people will always have different opinions on dubs and subs. And, subs are not always better than dubs, for everyone, despite you feeling that way. I can say for sure that the dubs for Rurouni Kenshin, Yu Yu Hakusho, Death Note, Cowboy Bebop, and various other series, were more enjoyable for me, personally, and many others, than the subbed versions of those anime (even though I did enjoy the subbed versions for each of those, very much, as well).

[DemonLordShugo]

I suspect Toei shot the series on poor quality film stock to begin with, or we've just gotten really bad prints over the years. I have no idea whether the audio on the DragonBox sets is any better than what Funimation has given us, though it could be.

No the audio was originally in mono, so you can't really do anything about that, unless if you master it in stereo


So, basically, there is no "realism" in acting or voice acting in entertainment. There is just good, mediocre, and bad acting, and if the dub voice acting is bad to you, in DBZ, then that's fine, but just because you feel that way, doesn't mean that its a fact. Other people like it, as you can see, and even people like me still enjoy the dub to some extend. And, BTW, just for the record, in case you try to say that I am being bias towards the sub, I would just like to remind you that I voted for the sub, and even stated that I would pick the sub, if I had to choose, in an earlier post.

I agree with that, I though I'm mostly a sub fan, I do find some of the dub's voice acting to be enjoyable (if I didn't I wouldn't be watching TeamFourStar), and I also voted for the sub, since I'm not biased when it comes to anime or manga and how I prefer to watch/read it

[Master Moron]

With all this talk of dubbed voices, I'm surprised no one's brung up the Ox-King or King Kai yet. Those are definitely two of the worst dub voices I've ever heard. I mean, I think they're worse than 4K!ds' Sanji.

[gtadbzman]

With all this talk of dubbed voices, I'm surprised no one's brung up the Ox-King or King Kai yet. Those are definitely two of the worst dub voices I've ever heard. I mean, I think they're worse than 4K!ds' Sanji.Ur right. King Kai's dub voice is nothing like the original.

[PowerZord]

I like Both versions. The english soundtrack was great, and there were sometimes where the Japanese music was better. But.. I prefer the Spanish(Mexico) dub. I just love their voices.

and for Too cartoony? The Spanish dub(which is the dub most accurate to the Japanese version) sounds as cheesy as the english version.

[kenjisalk]

The original Japanese version of Dragon Ball Z technically isn't a dub. FUNImation did the original US dub of DBZ up until the Ginyu Force episodes, after which Ocean took over, IIRC.

You have it turned around, Ocean did the dub of the first couple of arcs (for Bandai), up until the Gunyu Force episodes, then Funimation took over (because of syndication on Toonami, Cartoon Network wanted more episodes).

They went and redubbed the early episodes years later.

[gtadbzman]

You have it turned around, Ocean did the dub of the first couple of arcs (for Bandai), up until the Gunyu Force episodes, then Funimation took over (because of syndication on Toonami, Cartoon Network wanted more episodes).

They went and redubbed the early episodes years later.I thought FUNI was always in control of DBZ. The early episodes didn't do well on the WB which was the Ocean dub that FUNI hired. Then when it got a new start on CN, FUNI had to dub it with their own VA's to continue the show.

[Dragonoid Master]

I've only seen the FUNimation Entertainment Digitally Remastered and Uncut English Dub, so I voted for that, plus I think it's freaking sweet :D.

[Master WGS]

To be absolutely honest, I have a feeling I'm pretty biased, seeing as I grew up with the FUNImation cast. However, I'll try my best to put that aside, and give logical reasons as to why I still think they do the better job.

Ocean really did a good job, but I feel that a lot of the emotional scenes were lost on them. And as much as I love Brian Drummond for most of his work (including Vegeta), as the series goes on, his voice doesn't fit the role in my opinion. His Vegeta sounds (as many have commented) like a slithery snake, which is how he starts. As the series progresses, we see this is a lot more about pride, where as at the start, Vegeta seemed nothing more than an evil obstacle for the others to overcome. I think Sabat's Vegeta voice fits his character much better over all, but it is a tad jarring to watch the early seasons with the FUNimation dub at times...

On the emotional thing, I feel that some of the scenes just weren't acted as well on Ocean's part. Again, I think they did a great job, but I think FUNI did it better. The scene where Goku teleports away with an exploding Cell was epic in the FUNI dub, especially with Sonny's Krillan. The Ocean dub dropped the ball on this scene in my eyes, as Krillan's "NOOOO" just seemed so... uninspired... FUNImation's Cell kicked arse, too.

Again, I could just be horrendously biased, but I still feel FUNImation did the better job. They're in no way perfect, by any means (Watch the early Majin Buu/Tournament Saga with "The Killa," or the scene when Piccolo and Nail fuse, and you'll see what I mean), but they do a great job. Ocean did really well, but they just don't stand up in my opinion.

As far as the Japanese is concerned, Goku's voice didn't feel right to me. I know, it's the original so it HAS to be right, but it just felt weird hearing such a high voice come from a 30-40+ year-old male. I know some guys have naturally higher voices, but still...

[G1Ravage]

With all this talk of dubbed voices, I'm surprised no one's brung up the Ox-King or King Kai yet. Those are definitely two of the worst dub voices I've ever heard. I mean, I think they're worse than 4K!ds' Sanji.

Ox-King's Ocean voice was the best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=772fqoGAE3o

[Mad Mod 49]

And as much as I love Brian Drummond for most of his work (including Vegeta), as the series goes on, his voice doesn't fit the role in my opinion. His Vegeta sounds (as many have commented) like a slithery snake, which is how he starts. As the series progresses, we see this is a lot more about pride, where as at the start, Vegeta seemed nothing more than an evil obstacle for the others to overcome. I think Sabat's Vegeta voice fits his character much better over all, but it is a tad jarring to watch the early seasons with the FUNimation dub at times...

:eek: God, that's almost word for word my opinion. I think Drummond's voice works perfectly for the Saiyan and Namek sagas (he sounds one-dimensionally evil in the Saiyan saga, which exactly is how Vegeta is portrayed there, and more layered and less generic in the Namek saga.) But come the Android saga, Drummond uses his Namek saga voice, even though Vegeta has aged 3 years and grown more muscular and prouder by that point. In the Buu saga, his voice appropriately changes, but the voice being used just doesn't fit Vegeta (it sounds similar to his Ryuk from Death Note!)

Sabat, on the other hand, nailed the Android saga voice. Then he made a slip-up by keeping that voice for the first half of the Buu saga, but then in the second half had a much more appropriate, deeper-sounding voice. Unfortuently, it's this voice he uses in the Saiyan and Namek saga redubs and that doesn't fit at all, epecially when compared to Drummond.

So overall, Drummond was great for the first two sagas, but Sabat fit the next two sagas better.



FUNImation's Cell kicked arse, too.


Yeah. I know Cell's supposed to sound like a pompous ass, but Norio Wakamoto and Dameon Clarke pulled that off while still sounding really menacing. The Ocean dub Cell sounds just plain snotty and near effeminate, and it gets really hard to be scared of him. So yeah, FUNImation definately had the better Cell.

[gtadbzman]

Yeah. I know Cell's supposed to sound like a pompous ass, but Norio Wakamoto and Dameon Clarke pulled that off while still sounding really menacing. The Ocean dub Cell sounds just plain snotty and near effeminate, and it gets really hard to be scared of him. So yeah, FUNImation definately had the better Cell. Faulconer's Cell theme was SICK!! I really loved the Cell theme music. Kikuchi really doesn't have much of a Cell theme compared to Faulconer's. Faulconer's super saiyan theme was very very very good as well. Not saying Kikuchi's music isn't good but I love Faulconer's. Faulconer's music just gives me goosebumps when I hear it.

[Master WGS]

Faulconer's Cell theme was SICK!! I really loved the Cell theme music. Kikuchi really doesn't have much of a Cell theme compared to Faulconer's. Faulconer's super saiyan theme was very very very good as well. Not saying Kikuchi's music isn't good but I love Faulconer's. Faulconer's music just gives me goosebumps when I hear it.

Agreed. I'm not a super fan of most of Faulconer's work, but in most cases I DO prefer his BGM to the Japanese. Again, it may be the bias, but I feel it gives more tension in some situations, as well as fills out a lot of scenes that were music-less in the original Japanese.

Of course, this isn't true in ALL cases, as some of the silent scenes build emotion better than the music.