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fanboy
01-15-2009, 07:05 AM
There are some recastings that are either good or decent, but others that are either awful or don’t suit the character. Which replacement voice actors didn’t you like?
Some I didn’t like were Maggie Roswell’s characters on The Simpsons, when they were voiced by Marcia Mitzman-Gaven. I can tolerate her Maude, but her Helen Lovejoy and Miss Hoover are really bad. I don’t like either Tress McNeille’s Lunchlady Doris.
And then, there’s FUNimation’s redubbed Maron on Dragon Ball Z. She was decent in their original dub, and there was no reason to replace her on the new DVD sets.

J. B. Warner
01-15-2009, 09:41 AM
Well, the first one that comes to mind is Jeff Glen Bennett as Yosemite Sam in Looney Tunes: Back in Action. He completely loses the character whenever he yells, and of course, Sam yells a lot.

Seems like ever since Mel Blanc's death, it's been hard for anyone to do Sam as well as he did. Maurice LaMarche actually does the voice very well, but he says it always wrecks his throat for days afterwards, so he doesn't do it much.

warnerbroman
01-15-2009, 09:45 AM
Jar Jar binks in "the gungan general" I can sound just like that not good

Monterey Jack
01-15-2009, 10:01 AM
Jennifer Lien being replaced by Jennifer Martin as the voice of Elle in the last season of Men In Black: The Series. Lien's voice was cool, breathy, and downright sexy, but Martin's voice was too...I dunno, excitable. :shrug:

Umino
01-15-2009, 10:02 AM
Terri Hawkes replacing Tracey Moore as Sailor Moon.

greg!
01-15-2009, 10:28 AM
Grey Delisle as Daphne:mad: :mad: :mad: Heather North Kinney is Still around! Also all of the Velma's between Nichole Jaffe & Mindy Cohn I like her.

Kazuya Prower
01-15-2009, 10:53 AM
Whoever voiced Chief Quimby in season 2 of Inspector Gadget. Ugh, it was intolerable

sag_2002
01-15-2009, 11:05 AM
Terri Hawkes replacing Tracey Moore as Sailor Moon.

Linda Ballantyne was the worst of the three Serena voices, IMO.

Dub C
01-15-2009, 11:32 AM
Jennifer Lien being replaced by Jennifer Martin as the voice of Elle in the last season of Men In Black: The Series. Lien's voice was cool, breathy, and downright sexy, but Martin's voice was too...I dunno, excitable. :shrug:

Agent Elle was the very first thing I thought of when I read the topic.

Wonderwall
01-15-2009, 11:57 AM
Brooks Gardner replacing Aron Kincaid as Killer Croc is the one that probably stands out the most for me. Kincaid had this cool menacing gravel to his voice that he could switch up to make him sound dumb to down right dangerous. Gardner sounded like a buffoon the whole time and never once seemed scary.

Mandi-chan
01-15-2009, 12:10 PM
Linda Ballantyne replacing Terri Hawkes as Sailor Moon.

Terri was perfect in the role, she had Usagi's wacky and goofiness down to a T (like the original japanese actress).

Tracey Moore has a cute and youthful voice, but she didn't really "get" the character. Terri did, she IS Sailor Moon.

Daffyfan2003
01-15-2009, 12:49 PM
Grey Delisle as Daphne:mad: :mad: :mad: Heather North Kinney is Still around! Also all of the Velma's between Nichole Jaffe & Mindy Cohn I like her.

I agree with you about Velma, except I was okay with Pat Stevens as Velma. It's Marla Frumkin and B.J. Ward who didn't get the voice quite right. I sort of like Grey as Daphne though. Just my opinion.

warnerbroman
01-15-2009, 12:58 PM
who ever replace Homer Simpsons voice

Wonderwall
01-15-2009, 02:10 PM
who ever replace Homer Simpsons voice

Umm, Homer has never had his voice recast.

creativerealms
01-15-2009, 02:10 PM
I'm pretty sure Dan Castellaneta is the only voice of Homer Simpson and just protrayed the character differently in the early episodes. I could be wrong but I don't think I am.

Wonderwall
01-15-2009, 02:12 PM
No you're right, Dan has always voiced Homer Simpson. In the early days Homer was more of the dimwitted, kinda grouchy type but as the show went on he became less of that mold and more of the dopey simpleton of today.

mowub
01-15-2009, 02:16 PM
Tom McHugh replacing Billy West as Doug Funnie. Disney's Doug proved that change isn't always good.

Silverstar
01-15-2009, 02:17 PM
No you're right, Dan has always voiced Homer Simpson. In the early days Homer was more of the dimwitted, kinda grouchy type but as the show went on he became less of that mold and more of the dopey simpleton of today.


Yeah, Dan originated the Homer voice for a character he called 'Mr. Balloon-Head'. Before the Simpsons shorts which led to the series, Dan had never tried getting angry, mopey or despondent with the Homer voice. Ironically, as the series went on, Homer became less grouchy and more dopey.

warnerbroman
01-15-2009, 02:28 PM
Umm, Homer has never had his voice recast.I know but it seems like it

hobbyfan
01-15-2009, 02:55 PM
Grey Delisle as Daphne:mad: :mad: :mad: Heather North Kinney is Still around! Also all of the Velma's between Nichole Jaffe & Mindy Cohn I like her.

And what is wrong? Seems to me as though Ms. DeLisle is doing her best to create vocal continuity, one would think. Funny you should link Mindy Cohn & Nicole Jaffe together, since Mindy based her characterization of Velma on Ms. Jaffe's work in the original series.

Doz Hewson
01-15-2009, 04:45 PM
Grey Delisle as Daphne:mad: :mad: :mad: Heather North Kinney is Still around! Also all of the Velma's between Nichole Jaffe & Mindy Cohn I like her.

Ah, but you forget, or more likely, don't know!....In 1969, when the Scooby Doo legend began, HNK did not enact Daphne Blake. The DB role was originated by a Broad named Stefanianna Christopherson, who's also been professionally known as Indira Danks. As Indira Danks, she appeared on a Sanford & Son episode; she was a BIG WHITE HOT BEAUTIFUL WOMAN! Just sayin'. HNK assumed the Daphne Blake role starting in Sept. 1970. You also forget/don't know of Mary Kay Bergman, who enacted Blake in the first 3/4 Scooby Doo DTVs (starting with 1998's Scooby-Doo On Zombie Island).:)

Zekehawk
01-15-2009, 05:22 PM
Tom Kenny's new Spongebob voice. I know it's not a recast, but it sounds like it. The original was better than the high pitched one.

Justy
01-15-2009, 05:25 PM
Ah, but you forget, or more likely, don't know!....In 1969, when the Scooby Doo legend began, HNK did not enact Daphne Blake. The DB role was originated by a Broad named Stefanianna Christopherson, who's also been professionally known as Indira Danks. As Indira Danks, she appeared on a Sanford & Son episode; she was a BIG WHITE HOT BEAUTIFUL WOMAN! Just sayin'. HNK assumed the Daphne Blake role starting in Sept. 1970. You also forget/don't know of Mary Kay Bergman, who enacted Blake in the first 3/4 Scooby Doo DTVs (starting with 1998's Scooby-Doo On Zombie Island).:) I wouldn't call it a bad case of recasting, but Ms. Bergman also orginated the role of Timmy Turner on the Fairly Oddparents shorts that were aired on Oh Yeah! Cartoons before her untimely death.

I always preferred Katie Leigh's performance as Alex from Totally Spies! during the first two seasons to Katie Griffin's in the last three seasons.

zoombie
01-15-2009, 05:45 PM
Linda Ballantyne replacing Terri Hawkes as Sailor Moon.

Terri was perfect in the role, she had Usagi's wacky and goofiness down to a T (like the original japanese actress).

Tracey Moore has a cute and youthful voice, but she didn't really "get" the character. Terri did, she IS Sailor Moon.

Does it really matter? To me there is only one Sailor Moon, Kotono Mitsuishi.

JerryvonKramer
01-15-2009, 05:48 PM
Both Dave Coullier replacing Lorenzo Music and Kath Soucie replacing Laura Summer on The Real Ghostbusters.

Umino
01-15-2009, 05:51 PM
Linda Ballantyne replacing Terri Hawkes as Sailor Moon.

Terri was perfect in the role, she had Usagi's wacky and goofiness down to a T (like the original japanese actress).

Tracey Moore has a cute and youthful voice, but she didn't really "get" the character. Terri did, she IS Sailor Moon.

I feel completely opposite.

I thought Tracey did an amazing job as Sailor Moon. She was cute, sily, ditzy, young-sounding, and very funny.

Terri on the other hand, was just flat out annoying to me (didn't care for the yodel scream, or the "lets randomly lower my voice midsentence" thing). And she was terrible with serious scenes.

Linda, while she had a rough start, I always managed to like. She was fun, and silly too. She also really good in serious scenes.

Spideyzilla
01-15-2009, 06:33 PM
That whole new Pokemon cast. Um, no.

Dr.Pepper
01-15-2009, 06:39 PM
In the obscure Disney short "Soccermania", I have no idea who was doing the voices, but Goofy and ecspecially Scrooge sounded so wrong.

Tobias
01-15-2009, 06:45 PM
Both Dave Coullier replacing Lorenzo Music and Kath Soucie replacing Laura Summer on The Real Ghostbusters.

After watching the RBG box set from time life, Coulier's voice didn't come off right because the writers were still writing Venkman to fit Lorenzo Music's tone of voice. When they started writing Peter to Coulier's more 'Billy Murray' like tone, he started fitting the role better.

Soucie however... God bless her, she tried, and in the interviews she comes across as a real sweetheart, and it's not her fault that the character was wrecked, but because of the Network mandate. But Laura Summer was always the one and true Janine.

J. B. Warner
01-15-2009, 07:13 PM
That whole new Pokemon cast. Um, no.

Even though I'll always be loyal exclusively to the Japanese version of "Pokémon" until my dying day, I have to agree with you. Not that the 4Kids cast was stellar or anything, but if there's one thing I've noticed in the handful of PUSA-dubbed episodes I've seen, it's that the voice actors are focusing too much on imitating the old voices and not focusing enough on, y'know, acting. (I haven't watched the dub since Season 9, though, so this may have changed for all I know.)

In either case, none of them can match the brilliance of the Japanese cast. Neither Veronica Taylor nor Sara Natochenny seem to be able to do Ash with the same level of energy and believability that Rica Matsumoto gives to Satoshi.

soundmonkey44
01-15-2009, 07:16 PM
Jar Jar binks in "the gungan general" I can sound just like that not good


I second that..Theres only 1 real voice for Jar jar!:D :p :evil:

Wonderwall
01-15-2009, 08:07 PM
I know but it seems like it

Well its not, and this about recasts.

Light Lucario
01-15-2009, 09:01 PM
That whole new Pokemon cast. Um, no.

I'm glad that I'm not the only one here who feels like that. While the new cast has improved since they first started back in Battle Frontier, I don't think that they capture the emotions of the characters in the same level as the original cast did either. I also agree with J. B. Warner's view on how they put too much effort in sounding like the original cast and not as much into acting. It has improved a bit, but just not enough for me not to see the recasting as a bad choice.

Granted, I haven't seen much of the Japanese version of Pokemon, so I can't really compare that cast to either one of the English casts. Though I can understand why people would prefer the Japanese cast overall.

Daxdiv
01-15-2009, 09:22 PM
Basically Brain Drummond being replaced by Chris Sabat as Vegeta. I just like how cold, and calculating his Vegeta is compared to Sabat which sounds like he's on the Roids.

Also Jason Griffith being Sonic new voice over Ryan Drummond. It seemed boring the way that GRIFFITH was voicing Sonic, but since as a kid I prefer the blue Hedgehog over the Italian Plumber, I guess that did sort of upset me as I loved Sonic more than Mario as a kid. But then again I'm having a new respect for Jaheel White as Sonic for some reason... I blame YTP.

As a side note, I just find it to this day that the weirdest coincidence for me was that when 4Kids started to use their freelancer VA to voice the games, that the games started to really suck. Don't know why, but I still find it funny and weird coincidence to this day. I know the VA and 4kids have nothing to do with it, all the blame goes to Sonic Team, obviously.

All Star Blitz
01-15-2009, 09:34 PM
Also Jason Griffith being Sonic new voice over Ryan Drummond. It seemed boring the way that GRIFFITH was voicing Sonic, but since as a kid I prefer the blue Hedgehog over the Italian Plumber, I guess that did sort of upset me as I loved Sonic more than Mario as a kid. But then again I'm having a new respect for Jaheel White as Sonic for some reason... I blame YTP.

Where there's smoke, they pinch back. Oh wait, wrong YTP.

Seriously, Urkel will always be Sonic to me. The character has matured in Sonic X, but it's still weird to me hearing someone else's voice from him. Even when I read the comic I hear Jaleel.

Tay the Cat
01-15-2009, 10:51 PM
That whole new Pokemon cast. Um, no.

Eh, while I'll always prefer the original English cast, the new cast has gotten MUCH better since they began.

Yusuke Urameshi
01-15-2009, 11:01 PM
Eh, while I'll always prefer the original English cast, the new cast has gotten MUCH better since they began.


Omg I totally agree, I couldnt stand the beggining of D+P..Brock sounded constipated during episodes 1-4ish

CyberCubed
01-15-2009, 11:16 PM
I think the entire new cast of Pokemon is better than the old except for Ash, and that voice improved tremendously since Battle Frontier.

I don't know why people liked Eric Stuarts "high-pitched" James, it started decently but as the show went on James sounded like he was screaming every line.

Other than that the rest are the same. The two Jessie's are nearly identical, as is Brock, and Meowth captures the brooklyn accent close to Maddie. I also actually liked May's new voice better than the old one, although I prefer Oak's old voice.

Some people like to overreact I guess, it must be the nostalgia talking.

Monterey Jack
01-16-2009, 08:57 AM
Pretty much all of the voice re-casting in the "revamp" episodes of Batman: TAS were pretty weak (although I liked Jeffrey Combs as The Scarecrow). Whoever replaced Melissa Gilbert as Batgirl was particularly disappointing, as she actually sounded younger, despite those episodes taking place several years after the original batch.

greg!
01-16-2009, 09:11 AM
I didn't forget Stephianna Christopherson (what a great name!!!), The 1970 Daphne was Heather North & she was so close to Stephianna It was uncanny. She took that role & made it hers for a really long time & then was arbitrarily replaced by terrible people. Almost like they drew a name out of a hat & said "O.K. She can be Daphne for a while."

Dub C
01-16-2009, 09:51 AM
Pretty much all of the voice re-casting in the "revamp" episodes of Batman: TAS were pretty weak (although I liked Jeffrey Combs as The Scarecrow). Whoever replaced Melissa Gilbert as Batgirl was particularly disappointing, as she actually sounded younger, despite those episodes taking place several years after the original batch.

That was Tara Strong who was the new Batgirl. I dunno, I actually liked Strong's Batgirl compared to the original. Although I will argee with whoever said Killer Croc earlier. That was one change from the show I remember being not so good.

PC!
01-16-2009, 09:57 AM
The two Jessie's are nearly identical.

They could be identical, but Jessie's new actress seems to have fallen into a similar slump that Eric Stuart did: every line she says sounds high-pitched, forced, and unnatural. She's the only PUSA casting choice I'm not a big fan of. It's a shame since she's shown she can pull off a great Jessie voice, but she just doesn't seem to capture the natural, almost sensual feel that Lillis portrayed.

Light Lucario
01-16-2009, 08:42 PM
I think the entire new cast of Pokemon is better than the old except for Ash, and that voice improved tremendously since Battle Frontier.

Yeah, Sara has improved with her voice for Ash. But she still has moments where I don't feel like she brings enough emotions to Ash's voice.


I don't know why people liked Eric Stuarts "high-pitched" James, it started decently but as the show went on James sounded like he was screaming every line.

I could see that in some episodes and situations. But I liked how Eric Stuart's voice for James was funny and while the new James does more emotional scenes pretty well, he doesn't have that same charm to me.


Other than that the rest are the same. The two Jessie's are nearly identical, as is Brock, and Meowth captures the brooklyn accent close to Maddie. I also actually liked May's new voice better than the old one, although I prefer Oak's old voice.

I agree with Jessie's voices, though I also agree that she does sound too high pitched too often and I think Brock's voice is going well. I still personally prefer Maddie's voice for Meowth since I could feel more emotion coming from her Brooklyn accent. While May's new voice does sound pretty good, I also think that it can be too high pitched as well.


Some people like to overreact I guess, it must be the nostalgia talking.

While I'm sure that nostalgia is a factor for at least my opinion, I think that it would be less insulting to those with an opinion different from your own to just accept the differences in taste in a respective manner and move on from there. There's no need to make assumptions about people's tastes and opinions.

Rae78
01-17-2009, 05:46 PM
I don't think the two pokemon casts sound identical at all. The show doesn't sound remotely like it used to. I couldn't get into the changes despite giving the show a chance--the originals just had too much chemistry. And the writing--gah.

It's not "nostalgia talking" for me at all. Like Light Lucario said, give people room to express their opinions without applying your obsessive need to talk the original cast down at every opportunity.

CyberCubed
01-17-2009, 06:13 PM
Well I didn't think the original cast was all that good to begin with. Sure, Rachael Lilis was great, but all the others varied.

Veronica Taylor's early Ash sounded way too high-pitched, almost as if there was some static in his voice, I can't describe it exactly. During the later seasons she made his voice deeper, but Ash's voice during Johto was laughably bad, he didn't even sound like a boy.

And as said Eric Stuart's Brock/James both started off great, but once we got to Johto he made James' voice go to complete hell. James started screaming and overreacting almost every line, it just got worse as time went on. 4kids turned James into this campy overreacting character instead of how he was portrayed in the Japanese version.

Don't get me started on how horrid Lisa Ortiz was, using the same damn voice for every filler girl who appeared in the series.

Prior to PUSA I remember people complaining about 4kids all the time with Pokemon, so its not like this is some new thing that popped up. Dislike toward the 4kids cast was always there, it just wasn't as noticeable because we had no other company to compare them with at the time.

mowub
01-17-2009, 06:21 PM
To me, in the first few episodes, Ash sounded too deep-voiced and wussy. Coupled with the fact the show was pronouncing Pokémon "Po-kuh-mon."

Hiya Animation
01-17-2009, 06:22 PM
Whoever replaced the voice of Dexter in the Chris Savino Dexter's Lab episodes.

mowub
01-17-2009, 06:27 PM
Whoever replaced the voice of Dexter in the Chris Savino Dexter's Lab episodes.

Candy Milo. It's a shame Christine Cavanaugh had to go and retire.

Light Lucario
01-17-2009, 08:24 PM
Well I didn't think the original cast was all that good to begin with. Sure, Rachael Lilis was great, but all the others varied.

Veronica Taylor's early Ash sounded way too high-pitched, almost as if there was some static in his voice, I can't describe it exactly. During the later seasons she made his voice deeper, but Ash's voice during Johto was laughably bad, he didn't even sound like a boy.

While I haven't seen most of Johto in awhile, outside of Master Quest, Ash never sounded like a girl to me. He always sounded like a boy to me, even with his early voice. I honestly thought that he sounded like a girl when Battle Frontier started.


And as said Eric Stuart's Brock/James both started off great, but once we got to Johto he made James' voice go to complete hell. James started screaming and overreacting almost every line, it just got worse as time went on. 4kids turned James into this campy overreacting character instead of how he was portrayed in the Japanese version.

I can understand that he sounded like he was too loud too often, but I thought that Eric Stuart made both James and Brock funny. James' new voice does have some more sensitivity, depending on the situation, but I preferred the emotions Eric Stuart gave him. Bill Rogers does seem to be doing better with his voice for Brock, but I also prefer the charm Eric Stuart gave him, especially during his love daze gag.


Don't get me started on how horrid Lisa Ortiz was, using the same damn voice for every filler girl who appeared in the series.

I honestly don't remember hearing Lisa Ortiz voicing the filler girls that often. Though, I still haven't seen most of Johto for a long time.


Prior to PUSA I remember people complaining about 4kids all the time with Pokemon, so its not like this is some new thing that popped up. Dislike toward the 4kids cast was always there, it just wasn't as noticeable because we had no other company to compare them with at the time.

I remember more people complaining about the edits when 4Kids had the show. I don't think that the complaining about the cast was as often as that. Once we had the change though, it wasn't like everything was better. We had people getting into arguments within every episode practically and finally, one Pokemon site that we both go to, banned VA talk because it got so bad.

For me personally, it isn't the fact that you don't lie the 4Kids cast that bothers me. That's your personal choice and I respect that. What bothers me is how you responded to those who, like myself prefer the original cast, by saying that some people just like to overreact and because it's nostalgia. While I'm sure nostalgia does play a part in my preference, I don't think I could be blamed for that, I just didn't like how you thought that we overreact to the change. Some people just don't the new cast because we have different taste. There in no way horrible voice actors, to me at least, but I just don't think that they capture the same spark. That's my opinion, but opinions vary from people to people. So what's true for me may not be true for others. That was what I was trying to say earlier, but I'm not sure you understood that.

Rolling Cloud
01-17-2009, 08:42 PM
Linda Ballantyne voicing Sailor Moon: The DiC actresses weren't too bad, but she was just ...too deep. She sounded 35. /:

Michelle Knotz voicing May in Pokemon: Half the reason I couldn't enjoy the Wallace Cup was because her voice was hard to listen to. The high-pitchiness of it just didn't work. If they kept Veronica, then it may have worked better.

Tay the Cat
01-17-2009, 08:54 PM
And as said Eric Stuart's Brock/James both started off great, but once we got to Johto he made James' voice go to complete hell. James started screaming and overreacting almost every line, it just got worse as time went on. 4kids turned James into this campy overreacting character instead of how he was portrayed in the Japanese version.

As said before, 4Kids didn't make those decisions.

Eric did.

Mek
01-17-2009, 09:00 PM
Where there's smoke, they pinch back. Oh wait, wrong YTP.


That's no good!

CyberCubed
01-17-2009, 09:17 PM
While I haven't seen most of Johto in awhile, outside of Master Quest, Ash never sounded like a girl to me. He always sounded like a boy to me, even with his early voice. I honestly thought that he sounded like a girl when Battle Frontier started.

Well of course Ash's new voice was really rough at the start of BF, but he always did sound more boyish. But yeah, Veronica > Sarah in terms of acting, although I like Sarah's tone more, if that makes any sense.



What bothers me is how you responded to those who, like myself prefer the original cast, by saying that some people just like to overreact and because it's nostalgia. While I'm sure nostalgia does play a part in my preference, I don't think I could be blamed for that, I just didn't like how you thought that we overreact to the change. Some people just don't the new cast because we have different taste.

That is true. However I don't get how people think the new voices don't do a decent job of emotion with the characters. James' sympathy when he left behind Chimecho, Brock during the Bonsly eps, May during the Manaphy movie and Kanto Grand Festival, and Ash during Chimchar's capture, Jessie during Dustox's release...these are all examples of scenes where the new VA's provided an excellent level of emotion. There are more but I can't remember off the top of my head.



Michelle Knotz voicing May in Pokemon: Half the reason I couldn't enjoy the Wallace Cup was because her voice was hard to listen to. The high-pitchiness of it just didn't work. If they kept Veronica, then it may have worked better.

Her old voice was always high-pitched too. I just think the new voice does a better job of making her sound like a regular girl. Its not anime-ish like Dawn's voice is.


As said before, 4Kids didn't make those decisions.

Eric did.

Which lies in the problem, whoever was directing those eps should have told Eric Stuart to tone it down, not let him do whatever he wanted.

Rae78
01-17-2009, 11:38 PM
However I don't get how people think the new voices don't do a decent job of emotion with the characters.

No one requires you to.

All Star Blitz
01-17-2009, 11:39 PM
That's no good!

Huh? I'm not familiar with that one.

Light Lucario
01-18-2009, 03:09 PM
Well of course Ash's new voice was really rough at the start of BF, but he always did sound more boyish. But yeah, Veronica > Sarah in terms of acting, although I like Sarah's tone more, if that makes any sense.

I still remember watching the first few episodes of BF for the first time and Ash sounded much more like a girl to me. Or more like a girl trying to sound like a boy and was failing to do so. Of course, that's just my interpretation of Sarah's voice for Ash. Even when watching the repeats on CN, I still felt like Ash sounded too much like a girl. As for Sarah's tone, I'm not sure about that since there are still some moments where it sounds like Ash talks too loud when it would be better if his voice was lower.


That is true. However I don't get how people think the new voices don't do a decent job of emotion with the characters. James' sympathy when he left behind Chimecho, Brock during the Bonsly eps, May during the Manaphy movie and Kanto Grand Festival, and Ash during Chimchar's capture, Jessie during Dustox's release...these are all examples of scenes where the new VA's provided an excellent level of emotion. There are more but I can't remember off the top of my head.

I never said that the new cast doesn't do a decent job with the characters' emotions. I said that I don't think that they capture the same emotional spark for the characters as the original cast did. I would believe that those are two different statements. You have mentioned some of the moments where the cast were able to give some nice emotions. I actually almost wanted to cry when James gave away his Chimecho, his Cacnea, May's goodbye to Manaphy, losing in the Grand Festival and when Chimchar was abandoned and Ash caught it. I just felt bad for Jessie during Dustox's release.

Those were some moments where the new cast were better and were able to give some more proper emotions to the characters. However, I still don't think it matches or surpasses the work that the original cast did with their charcters. As I've mentioned before, I'm sure that nostalgia is a factor, but it's also just my personal taste. I don't think that the new cast are horrible voice actors in any shape or form. They have improved quite a bit since they started, but I still don't think they give the characters the same emotions as the original cast did.


Her old voice was always high-pitched too. I just think the new voice does a better job of making her sound like a regular girl. Its not anime-ish like Dawn's voice is.

I didn't think that May's original voice was high-pitched, except for when she was really excited or something like that. With her new voice, it feels like May always sounds high-pitched, but that's just my opinion.


Which lies in the problem, whoever was directing those eps should have told Eric Stuart to tone it down, not let him do whatever he wanted.

That is your opinion and I respect that. I actually liked how Eric Staurt made James' voice more energetic. I thought that it made some his lines funnier, as well as his overall personality.

O-chan
01-18-2009, 03:25 PM
Linda Ballantyne was the worst of the three Serena voices, IMO.

Tracey Moore had a very youthful sounding voice that I think was the closest English equivalent to Kotono Mitsushi's performance in the original. Terri Hawkes had an older sounding register but she came in during the point in the first season when the show itself was changing it's animation style and improving it's plots from the more "kiddie" earlier episodes. She actually did a good job in the first 65 but gradually got worse in the "Lost Episodes" and the movies. Linda Ballantyne is actually the reverse sounding like nails scratching a chalkboard and gradually getting better by the end of Super S. Still her acting still was far below the previous two.

O-chan

Ishtar
01-18-2009, 04:07 PM
Not necessarily a bad recasting, and it was understandable, but Marc Diraison really was better as Zoro than Chris Sabat in the One Piece dub.

Dr.Pepper
01-18-2009, 04:44 PM
Whoever replaced the voice of Dexter in the Chris Savino Dexter's Lab episodes.
I completely forgot about that. He sounded like an old lady in the newer episodes. Like how Chuckie on Rugrats sounded like Bart Simpson with a cold on All Grown Up.

mowub
01-18-2009, 04:46 PM
I completely forgot about that. He sounded like an old lady in the newer episodes.

IIRC, Candy Milo also voiced Madame Foster, an old lady.

Blackstar
01-18-2009, 04:48 PM
Originally Posted by Hiya Animation http://forums.toonzone.net/images/buttons/buttons_TZ6/viewpost.gif (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?p=3123592#post3123592)
Whoever replaced the voice of Dexter in the Chris Savino Dexter's Lab episodes.

I completely forgot about that. He sounded like an old lady in the newer episodes. Like how Chuckie on Rugrats sounded like Bart Simpson with a cold on All Grown Up.

It was Candi Milo who became the new voice of Dexter in the shows' final season, and in the case of both Dexter's Lab and All Grown Up, the producers didn't replace VAs by choice; Christine Cavanaugh retired from voice acting.

warnerbroman
01-18-2009, 11:27 PM
That's no good! oh I miss urkel the hedgehog

FGfan
01-20-2009, 06:21 PM
Not sure if this counts, but Michael Dobson as Rem in the second Death Note movie. I mean, yeah, Rem was male in Japanese, but did THAT have to get dubbed in?

Breckin Meyer as Joseph (King of the Hill): Joseph wasn't very interesting anymore after they made him older (and yes, I DO know the REAL reason that was done).

VenerableViper
01-20-2009, 07:46 PM
As said before, 4Kids didn't make those decisions.

Eric did.

do you have proof of that, because in like yugioh bakura and joey have those accents because they were told to by 4kids producers or director. Wayne Grayson and Ed Paul talk about it on youtube somewhere.

but I really liked Sam Reigal as Tristen in begining of yugioh. John Cambell has grown on me though. Also who was James and Meowth in early first season of pokemon, I liked their voice too more menacing.

RedKing52
01-20-2009, 08:50 PM
I know it's been bludgeoned to death, but George Newburn taking over from Tim Daly as Superman for JL/JLU. I know it was necessary because of Daly's commitment to The Fugitive and I know Newburn improved, but I always liked Daly better.

Also, John Swasey taking over from Tristan MacAvery for Gendou Ikari in the EVA Director's Cut episodes; terrible, absolutely terrible.

Dub C
01-21-2009, 11:55 PM
One I just remember watching an episode of Jackie Chan Adventures the other night...Valmont's VA change in the 3rd Season I believe? His replacement made him sound a bit too whiney, and it just didn't click with me.

Tay the Cat
01-21-2009, 11:59 PM
do you have proof of that, because in like yugioh bakura and joey have those accents because they were told to by 4kids producers or director. Wayne Grayson and Ed Paul talk about it on youtube somewhere.

I read an interview an old Pokemon site did with Eric a few years back. One day he decided to do things with the voice and the producer liked what he did, so they decided to keep it.

Also, I can easily ask Eric questions through Myspace at any time I want. I could ask him about this to make sure, however he's very busy and I don't wish to bother him.

Monterey Jack
01-22-2009, 10:22 AM
One I just remember watching an episode of Jackie Chan Adventures the other night...Valmont's VA change in the 3rd Season I believe? His replacement made him sound a bit too whiney, and it just didn't click with me.

Yeah, Valmont #2 was pretty weak (didn't David Warner originally voice him?).

Tobias
01-23-2009, 08:18 PM
The replacement VAs for Raphael, Donatello, Shredder, Krang, & Bebop during TMNT Season 3. Luckily Rob Paulsen, James Avery, and the others were only replaced temporarily because I don't think I could stomach those VAs for the whole series.

Manhunter
01-24-2009, 01:54 AM
Yeah, Valmont #2 was pretty weak (didn't David Warner originally voice him?).

Julian Sands, actually.

Eddy
01-24-2009, 03:43 AM
I have to chime in and agree with the Pokemon recasting. The 4Kids cast will always be the true voices, as far as I'm concerned.

Anwar
01-24-2009, 09:43 AM
The replacement VAs for Raphael, Donatello, Shredder, Krang, & Bebop during TMNT Season 3. Luckily Rob Paulsen, James Avery, and the others were only replaced temporarily because I don't think I could stomach those VAs for the whole series.

Well, Jim Cummings did a decent job as a replacement for Shredder in the European episodes. Though Avery was replaced for the 8th and 10th seasons.

Bad Asp
02-17-2009, 08:15 AM
Okay, here goes...

David Nowlin as Sam, Andrew Chaikin as Max, and William Kasten as Max in the Sam and Max episodic series. :mad: :mad: :mad:

This really angers me. Bill Farmer and Nick Jameson, to me, were the best Sam and Max voices of all time. But when Lucasarts refuses to sell either of the projects where Farmer and Jameson voice the characters, Telltale had the chance to bail the original voice actors out... but instead, they cheapen the Sam and Max series by using generic imitation actors who sound nothing like the original! WTH?!:confused: Now Sam sounds like a freakin' robot, and Max sounds like the love child of Anakin Skywalker and Jar Jar Binks! I want Sam and Max to sound like Sam and Max, not characters from a freakin' Star Wars game!:yawn:

Hopefully someone agrees with me on this.

Chris Sanders MSX
02-18-2009, 02:54 PM
Tom McHugh replacing Billy West as Doug Funnie. Disney's Doug proved that change isn't always good.

i thought the change was good.. once you got used to it and decided that it was natural since Doug did hit puberty.

creativerealms
02-18-2009, 03:00 PM
One I just remember watching an episode of Jackie Chan Adventures the other night...Valmont's VA change in the 3rd Season I believe? His replacement made him sound a bit too whiney, and it just didn't click with me.

Yes I hated this change. The only good thing was that Valmont was used sparingly from season three on.

TMC1982
02-20-2009, 01:33 AM
No you're right, Dan has always voiced Homer Simpson. In the early days Homer was more of the dimwitted, kinda grouchy type but as the show went on he became less of that mold and more of the dopey simpleton of today.

Didn't Homer Simpson in the early days, sound somewhat like Walter Matthau?

TMC1982
02-20-2009, 01:39 AM
Both Dave Coullier replacing Lorenzo Music and Kath Soucie replacing Laura Summer on The Real Ghostbusters.

When Dave Coullier took over as Peter Venkman, he arguably made the character come across as an overly (it seemed like Coullier was trying a bit too hard to sound like Bill Murray) sarcastic jerk. The change in Janine's voice actress I believe, was an intentional attempt to soften the character (in order to come across as more material, and less tough and "New Yorkish").

TMC1982
02-20-2009, 01:44 AM
The voice actors who replaced Lennie Weinrib's roles on that CGI Voltron series from the late '90s. I think, that Tim Curry took over as Lotor, Kevin Michael Richardson took over as Hunk, and Billy West took over as Pidge.

I in a way, didn't mind Tim Curry as Lotor (although Weinrib's Lotor had more of a Raul Julia-esqe voice), bit Richardson and West's Hunk and Pidge sounded way off base from what I remember from the original Voltron. Richardson made Hunk sound too Barney Rubble-ish (Weinrib's Hunk had a harsh, Queens, New Yorkish voice) while West's Pidge I suppose, sounded like a cross between Pee-Wee Herman and Doug Funny.

honorableninja
02-20-2009, 05:21 AM
amy, rini, serena, and mina in the final two seasons of sailor moon

amy voice in the dic seasons defined who this character was i very smart and sweet and humble girl the cloverway amy had none of that she sounded far too sobbish.

mina might be a little ditzy but sailor venus is not the cloverway voice made her sound like she had no idea what she was doing.

i must be the only person in the world who actually like rini english original voice her new one mostly as sailor mini moon was way too sweet sounded and she sounded way to much like Ino from Naruto

Terri Hawkes is Usagi/Serena/sailor moon to me end of story.

i mention darien but that guy had so many voices it was hard to tell them apart.

Mandi-chan
02-20-2009, 06:16 AM
amy, rini, serena, and mina in the final two seasons of sailor moon

amy voice in the dic seasons defined who this character was i very smart and sweet and humble girl the cloverway amy had none of that she sounded far too sobbish.

mina might be a little ditzy but sailor venus is not the cloverway voice made her sound like she had no idea what she was doing.

i must be the only person in the world who actually like rini english original voice her new one mostly as sailor mini moon was way too sweet sounded and she sounded way to much like Ino from Naruto

Terri Hawkes is Usagi/Serena/sailor moon to me end of story.

i mention darien but that guy had so many voices it was hard to tell them apart.


Totally agree with you.

My favorite Darien voice was Toby Proctor, Vince Corazza (who took over for him for the "Lost Episodes" of Season 2, the movies, and the rest of the dub) was okay...but I just felt Toby was the better actor. He had more emotion...

I didn't like Rino Romano (the first dub VA in the role...) at all...

Monterey Jack
02-20-2009, 08:31 AM
Didn't Homer Simpson in the early days, sound somewhat like Walter Matthau?

Yes, Castalaneta was doing a deliberate homage to Matthau during the Tracey Ullman days and in the first season or so of the series proper. He later fine-tuned the character's voice to his own strengths as a performer.

Manhunter
02-21-2009, 08:33 PM
The voice actors who replaced Lennie Weinrib's roles on that CGI Voltron[i/] series from the late '90s. I think, that Tim Curry took over as Lotor, Kevin Michael Richardson took over as Hunk, and Billy West took over as Pidge.

Actually, Pidge was originally voiced by Neil Ross.

And nothing against Tim Curry, but I think Mark Hamill would have been better as Lotor (his voice is somewhat similar to Weinrib's).

Kaiser0120
02-22-2009, 08:09 AM
Not necessarily a bad recasting, and it was understandable, but Marc Diraison really was better as Zoro than Chris Sabat in the One Piece dub.

*Steps out into the middle of the room, clears his throat...*

I respectfully, but firmly, disagree. Diraison was a good choice for Zoro and, under better direction, would have been fantastic... but I think Zoro brings a certain amount of dryness, depth, and a similar tone ot the Japanese which makes the character for me entirely.

As for recasts I disagree with...

Candi Milo as Dexter...

The entirety of the new Pokemon cast...

Linda Ballantyne taking over for Usagi in Sailor Moon...

Sean Schemmel, Chris Sabat, Sonny Strait, and Stephanie Nadolny as their characters in DragonBall Z respectively. They ALL got a lot better, to the point where they were either good or tolerable and they're all exceptional voice actors, but they were, initially, a train wreck and Chris Sabat has yet to ever fulfill any of his characters like Ocean's original cast did, or the original Japanese for that matter.

Tash
02-22-2009, 04:11 PM
Bobby Block replacing Junior as Robot is the most prominent example I can think of. It single-handedly destroyed what little appeal the show had.

STARTOUNZ
02-23-2009, 12:26 AM
Jennifer Lien being replaced by Jennifer Martin as the voice of Elle in the last season of Men In Black: The Series. Lien's voice was cool, breathy, and downright sexy, but Martin's voice was too...I dunno, excitable. :shrug:

For that series, the change from Ed O'Ross to Gregg Berger as Agent Kay after the first season was awful. The latter's voice was too robotic and lacked any emotional range.



I agree with you about Velma, except I was okay with Pat Stevens as Velma. It's Marla Frumkin and B.J. Ward who didn't get the voice quite right. I sort of like Grey as Daphne though. Just my opinion.

I actually liked B.J. Ward as Velma, as well as Betty Rubble, in the various SD and Flintstones TV movies. It was Frumkin and Mindy Cohn's Velma that were the worst. The former's deep voice and the latter's nasal voice were downright irritating. Mindy sort of ruined WNSD for me considering she had the most dialogue in the majority of episodes.

Dogasu
02-24-2009, 12:20 AM
Just because I haven't said anything about this in a while...

My thing with the new Pokemon cast is that I'm a fan of the Japanese version. So both the 4Kids version and the PUSA version sound "off" to me.

And as far as I'm concerned, the 4Kids dub and the PUSA dub are of equal quality. The strengths and weaknesses of each dub may be slightly different, but I think that, in the end, it all evens out.


The next season will be PUSA's fourth season with the show; that's half of 4Kids' tenure with the series. Assuming the dubbing doesn't switch again, it'll be interesting to see what the fans think once PUSA actually surpasses 4Kids in terms of the number of episodes they've dubbed. It'll also be interesting to see what the kids who are growing up on the PUSA dub these days have to say about the old 4Kids voice work.

CyberCubed
02-24-2009, 12:27 AM
The next season will be PUSA's fourth season with the show; that's half of 4Kids' tenure with the series. Assuming the dubbing doesn't switch again, it'll be interesting to see what the fans think once PUSA actually surpasses 4Kids in terms of the number of episodes they've dubbed. It'll also be interesting to see what the kids who are growing up on the PUSA dub these days have to say about the old 4Kids voice work.

Aside from Ash, don't most people already think the PUSA voices are either the same or better than the 4kids ones?

tucsoncoyote
02-24-2009, 03:38 AM
And then there's Earl Boen as Senor Senior Sr. in Kim Possible replacing the definitive (and now late) Ricardo Montalban in the series for at least 2 if not 3 episodes. Boen as hard as he might, didn't have what it took to be a good Senor Senior Sr. I mean when you hear Montalban vs Boen, you can tell that Boen didn't bother trying to sound like Montalban especially with the fact that Boen didn't try hard enough.

After all I liked Montalban's voice as being evil. (He deserves that much!)


:coyote:

Rae78
02-24-2009, 06:02 PM
Aside from Ash, don't most people already think the PUSA voices are either the same or better than the 4kids ones?

No.

CyberCubed
02-24-2009, 06:57 PM
No.

Do you purposely search the forums for whoever disagrees about the old voices, Misty, or Kanto compared to the newer stuff?

Rae78
02-24-2009, 08:35 PM
Do you purposely search the forums for whoever disagrees about the old voices, Misty, or Kanto compared to the newer stuff?

No, I just read the forums casually, and usually find that you're trashing the old voices. You seem confident that everyone feels the way you do.

CyberCubed
02-24-2009, 08:52 PM
No, I just read the forums casually, and usually find that you're trashing the old voices. You seem confident that everyone feels the way you do.

Aside from that very original Mastermind airing, and Ash's voice at the very start of Season 9, I've seen nothing but praise or indifference to the new voices. Most people have no preference, or say they enjoy the new voices but still prefer the old ones.

The funny thing is as Dogasu said, the new voices have done 3 seasons already, which is basically equal to 4kids up to the end of Johto Journies which was Season 3.

It might even get to the point where PUSA will have done 5-8 seasons, assuming the show still goes on.

Linkpre
02-24-2009, 09:42 PM
While it probably isn't the worst voice cast change ever, I still prefer the original english cast for the Pokemon cartoon.

I mean I have to admit the current cast has gotten a little better over the years, but I was more of a fan of the voice direction 4Kids did when they had the show. I mostly liked Veronica Taylor's Ash, Eric Stuart's James and the recently deceased Maddie Blaustien's Meowth.

To be honest, my main "issue" with the PUSA english dub is what they do with the episode scripts (as well as Sarah Natochenny's Ash and Jimmy Zoppi's James voices). I don't know, the scripts just seem so plain now. I mean yeah 4Kids wrote some corny stuff too, but they'd usually throw in a few jokes that older viewers could laugh at.

I know the idea of the old cast returning is pretty much not happening, but I still wish that they could some how return. Oh well...

Rae78
02-24-2009, 10:09 PM
I know the idea of the old cast returning is pretty much not happening, but I still wish that they could some how return. Oh well...

That'd be great, but the show is kind of tedious now. And I miss the old animation as well as the old cast and writing.

CyberCubed
02-25-2009, 12:56 AM
That'd be great, but the show is kind of tedious now. And I miss the old animation as well as the old cast and writing.

And most people don't care. You can whine all you like, its not going to change.

Rae78
02-25-2009, 02:37 PM
And most people don't care. You can whine all you like, its not going to change.

There's that insistence on speaking for most/all people again. Plus the nastiness. You're the one whining about the old cast by taking or creating every opportunity you can to say something against them. If you're so confident the situation isn't going to change, why are you so focused on bringing up the topic?

CyberCubed
02-25-2009, 02:51 PM
There's that insistence on speaking for most/all people again. Plus the nastiness. You're the one whining about the old cast by taking or creating every opportunity you can to say something against them. If you're so confident the situation isn't going to change, why are you so focused on bringing up the topic?

I don't think the old voices were bad, its just that they're done. And plenty of people complained about Eric Stuarts James from the point of Johto onward even before we knew about the new voices. Not to mention how high Ash's voice got in Johto and so forth, and this was before anyone knew there would be a dub switch.

I don't know why some of you have an obsession with the past, especially considering now an entire new generation of kids have grown up with the new voices and have never seen the older seasons.

People like you are becoming a dying breed, whether you believe it or not. A few years from now when the current kids age a few years and come online, they're not going to glorify 1998 or the old voices, they'll be more used to the newer stuff. Acting like a grumpy old man saying, "Well back in my day, this is how Pokemon was....!" is ridiculous.

Zen Man
02-25-2009, 03:15 PM
John Kassir replacing Charles Adler as Buster Bunny on Tiny Toon Adventures. Nothing against Kassir, but his 'Buster' just sounded too hollow and unenthusiastic compared to Adler's version of the character.

Silverstar
02-25-2009, 03:42 PM
I don't know why some of you have an obsession with the past, especially considering now an entire new generation of kids have grown up with the new voices and have never seen the older seasons.

People like you are becoming a dying breed, whether you believe it or not. A few years from now when the current kids age a few years and come online, they're not going to glorify 1998 or the old voices, they'll be more used to the newer stuff. Acting like a grumpy old man saying, "Well back in my day, this is how Pokemon was....!" is ridiculous.

Ironic how this is coming from someone who makes post after post about how they can't deal with TMNT's possibly ending and how they refuse to let go of the DCAU. Nes pas? :sweat:

Rae78
02-25-2009, 08:01 PM
I don't know why some of you have an obsession with the past, especially considering now an entire new generation of kids have grown up with the new voices and have never seen the older seasons.


Funny how you accuse others of having an obsession.

CyberCubed
02-25-2009, 08:54 PM
Funny how you accuse others of having an obsession.

Whatever. Its just sad some people are so bitter that Pokemon isn't the same little nostalgia-happy-place it was back in 1998. You're also bitter that a new generation of kids, as well as the older fans who still watch, are enjoying new episodes with an entirely different cast, and there's nothing you can do about it.

A few years from now and PUSA might even dub the same amount of seasons as 4kids, assuming the show still goes on in Japan for a while yet. And for that matter, its sad that we still have to call them "new" voice actors, considering they've dubbed 3 seasons already, which means they've been around since 2006.

Light Lucario
02-25-2009, 09:38 PM
Oh yes. The old vs. new voice actor debate. Yes, this is why I left most Pokemon sites for quite awhile when this whole thing happened. Oh joy.


Aside from Ash, don't most people already think the PUSA voices are either the same or better than the 4kids ones?

No. People have different opinions so it isn't like everyone is completely happy with the new voice actors. Out of all of the new voices, the only one I'm somewhat comfortable with is Brock's, but I still overall prefer Eric Stuart's voice.


And most people don't care. You can whine all you like, its not going to change.

I don't know how you believe most people don't care. All we have on that is from Pokemon forums and that isn't even an accurate set of information. Besides that, most people does not mean everyone. There's no reason for you to get upset over the people who do still prefer the original cast over the new one.


I don't think the old voices were bad, its just that they're done. And plenty of people complained about Eric Stuarts James from the point of Johto onward even before we knew about the new voices. Not to mention how high Ash's voice got in Johto and so forth, and this was before anyone knew there would be a dub switch.

It probably helps that I wasn't on too many forums back when Johto started, but I still remember more people complaining about the edits and music changes than the voices. Even though I like Eric Stuart's voice for James, I think that was the only voice I remember hearing about complains beforehand. Besides that, it wasn't like the new voice actors made everything better once they came in. There were plenty of fights about this on a couple of Pokemon forums I go to about it.


I don't know why some of you have an obsession with the past, especially considering now an entire new generation of kids have grown up with the new voices and have never seen the older seasons.

While I don't deny that there are kids who have been introduced to Pokemon while watching the more recent seasons, I don't know how you think that they've never seen the older seasons. There's box sets available for the Indigo League, the Orange Island, Master Quest and Advance. Not to mention both Advance Challenge and Advance Battle are on signle discs. And then there's the first eight movies that people can get pretty easily too. At least the Indigo League, the Orange Island and Advance could be found in stores and all of those DVDs could be found on-line as well. I'm sure that there are plenty of kids who have seen the new episodes before any of the older seasons, but that doesn't mean that they never well either.


People like you are becoming a dying breed, whether you believe it or not. A few years from now when the current kids age a few years and come online, they're not going to glorify 1998 or the old voices, they'll be more used to the newer stuff. Acting like a grumpy old man saying, "Well back in my day, this is how Pokemon was....!" is ridiculous.

I think that was harsh. Like I mentioned earlier, just because someone prefers the original voice actors over the new ones shouldn't really get you that upset. People have different taste and opinions. I don't see anyone glorifying the original cast. At least I'm not. There is a difference from just preferring the original cast and saying that they're the best voice actors ever. Besides, I still think that kids who have been introduced to the more recent episodes would check out the older episodes as well.


Whatever. Its just sad some people are so bitter that Pokemon isn't the same little nostalgia-happy-place it was back in 1998. You're also bitter that a new generation of kids, as well as the older fans who still watch, are enjoying new episodes with an entirely different cast, and there's nothing you can do about it.

A few years from now and PUSA might even dub the same amount of seasons as 4kids, assuming the show still goes on in Japan for a while yet. And for that matter, its sad that we still have to call them "new" voice actors, considering they've dubbed 3 seasons already, which means they've been around since 2006.

I find it sad that you're making such a big deal of this. I'm sorry, but just accept that other people will have different opinions regarding the voice actors. I just don't like how you're being this harsh on those who do prefer the original cast. Some people will always prefer them. Just deal with it.


Ironic how this is coming from someone who makes post after post about how they can't deal with TMNT's possibly ending and how they refuse to let go of the DCAU. Nes pas? :sweat:

I was actually going to mention that too, but I think you said it quite nicely. I couldn't have put it better myself.


I know the idea of the old cast returning is pretty much not happening, but I still wish that they could some how return. Oh well...

Trust me. I know how you feel. I still pretty much wish that they would return to their roles, and the current cast could continue to provide voices for other characters, but that probably won't happen anytime soon. Still, I don't mind dreaming and hoping about it either.

Rae78
02-25-2009, 09:44 PM
Whatever.

Lots of assumptions, there. Your posts are practically attacks.

CyberCubed
02-25-2009, 11:30 PM
Lots of assumptions, there. Your posts are practically attacks.

If simple disagreement on an online message board is too much for you, I suggest you click the close button and remain offline.

Anyhoo, the only new Pokemon voice I really didn't like was Max, but since he was only around for 1 season when they dubbed him it doesn't matter anymore.

Light Lucario
02-25-2009, 11:44 PM
If simple disagreement on an online message board is too much for you, I suggest you click the close button and remain offline.

Anyhoo, the only new Pokemon voice I really didn't like was Max, but since he was only around for 1 season when they dubbed him it doesn't matter anymore.

Well, to be fair, I did think that you were being too harsh with how he simply prefers the original voice cast.

O-chan
02-25-2009, 11:45 PM
On the whole Sailor Moon thing I more or less agree except when in comes to two voices. Mina and Rini, both their new voices were improvements over the original voices. For Rini it just sounded better, but for Mina it had more to do with her characterization in the later seasons.

The first voice for Mina, Stephanie Morgenstern, actually fit the mature and collected Mina/Sailor Venus for the first season dub and the Lost Episodes. But starting with later parts of Sailor Moon R in the Japanese version Minako started to be written in a more comical manner and by Sailor Moon S this personality trait was in full effect and stayed that way for the rest of the series. So when they brought Emilie Barlow in to do the new voice (she was a terrible Raye in The Lost Episodes though) she brought a much lighter take on the character that was actually very appropriate. I think in many episodes where she was used for comedy Stephanie Morgenstern would have made the character sound a little monotone.

I actually thought that despite Tracey Hoyt's "robot voice" performance for Rini she did seem to improve gradually with each episode she was in and throughout the Lost Episodes. The problem is she still lacked that youthful pitch that would have made the voice perfect. Enter Stephanie Beard who does. Problem is, at times, the voice was a little too sugary and underacted but it still was an improvement of what came before.

O-chan

Rae78
02-27-2009, 07:42 PM
Well, to be fair, I did think that you were being too harsh with how he simply prefers the original voice cast.

Thanks, LL. Yes, Cybercubed was being very harsh. As he usually is.

Light Lucario
02-27-2009, 09:49 PM
Thanks, LL. Yes, Cybercubed was being very harsh. As he usually is.

You're welcome. :) I'm glad that I wasn't the only one who thought his comments were a bit too harsh too.

BrendaBat
02-28-2009, 01:21 AM
Dexter (Dexter's Lab): Christine Cavanaugh was a hard act to follow. Her voice was really unique and the voice/wierd accent she created for Dexter was one-of-a-kind. I adore Candi Milo, but her Dexter was painful to listen to because it seemed like she was more focused on imitating Cavanaugh than putting out a good preformance.

Batgirl (Batman TAS): Tara Strong's voice was a pretty radical change from Melissa Gilbert. I got used to it after a while; but I still think she sounded a little too young for the role.

Pokemon: Even though it had been at least 8 years since I watched an episode of Pokemon; I still cringed when I heard the new dub actors the first time. I hear they've gotten better, but in the episode I saw they were just doing really bad impressions of the 4!Kids actors.

foxwolf2099
03-16-2009, 03:23 PM
most of the DBZ recasting. Goku makes me cringe. He sounds like he's going thru puberty.
Vegeta was the only good recast. His voice got better and better as the series went on.

Yes, agreed, aaaaall, the Pokemon recasting. Can you imagine if they werent allowed to use japanese Pikachu anymore?????
Ash sounds like Naruto and i loved Eric Stuarts Brock. So sad T__T

Plague Rat
03-16-2009, 04:58 PM
Who ever's replacing Barnacle Boy in the recent episodes of Spongebob.

Obvious VA change is obvious. |:

zoombie
03-16-2009, 05:20 PM
Do dub casting in animes count? If so, Rebecca Forstact as Nunnally on Code Geass is terrible. She has improved in the second season, but overal not very good.

hobbyfan
03-18-2009, 02:27 PM
Dexter (Dexter's Lab): Christine Cavanaugh was a hard act to follow. Her voice was really unique and the voice/wierd accent she created for Dexter was one-of-a-kind. I adore Candi Milo, but her Dexter was painful to listen to because it seemed like she was more focused on imitating Cavanaugh than putting out a good preformance.

That "weird accent", as you call it, might have been meant to be Russian, in a nod to creator Genndy Tartatovsky's homeland.

Chris_2xtreme
03-19-2009, 11:36 AM
I wouldn't say this is a recast since there two different series but replacing the VA of Dr. Robotnik with Gary Chalk for Sonic Underground. Chalk just doesn't come across as menacing as Cummings.

Bubblegum Girl
03-19-2009, 03:31 PM
Replacing the automated computer voice with an actual kid voice actor for Robot Jones on Whatever Happened to Robot Jones?. The computer voice is what made Robot Jones so interesting.

Dank
03-20-2009, 06:23 AM
Breckin Meyer as Joseph (King of the Hill): Joseph wasn't very interesting anymore after they made him older (and yes, I DO know the REAL reason that was done). May I ask what that reason was?

SantosLHalper
03-21-2009, 10:12 AM
About Tress MacNeil as Lunchlady Doris. She does a decent job with the character, but to me, replacing Doris Grau feels just as wrong as replacing Phil Hartman would be. It kind of makes the Simpsons Producers look like hipocrates.

fanboy
03-21-2009, 02:13 PM
most of the DBZ recasting. Goku makes me cringe. He sounds like he's going thru puberty.
Vegeta was the only good recast. His voice got better and better as the series went on.

Yes, agreed, aaaaall, the Pokemon recasting. Can you imagine if they werent allowed to use japanese Pikachu anymore?????
Ash sounds like Naruto and i loved Eric Stuarts Brock. So sad T__T
I remember a few Season 1 episodes where Rachel Lillis had to voice him, because it wasn't possible to use the original sound. Pikachu sounded constipated.

TMC1982
03-21-2009, 02:29 PM
About Tress MacNeil as Lunchlady Doris. She does a decent job with the character, but to me, replacing Doris Grau feels just as wrong as replacing Phil Hartman would be. It kind of makes the Simpsons Producers look like hipocrates.


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3053/2762062473_e802a25346.jpg?v=0
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SantosLHalper
03-21-2009, 05:07 PM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3053/2762062473_e802a25346.jpg?v=0
;)
okay then, what's the proper spelling?

Harvey Kent
03-21-2009, 06:07 PM
Grey Delisle as Daphne:mad: :mad: :mad: Heather North Kinney is Still around! Also all of the Velma's between Nichole Jaffe & Mindy Cohn I like her.

Mindy Cohn, as in Natalie from The Facts of Life?

Harvey Kent
03-21-2009, 06:08 PM
okay then, what's the proper spelling?

hypocrites

Harvey Kent
03-21-2009, 06:14 PM
Yes, Castalaneta was doing a deliberate homage to Matthau during the Tracey Ullman days and in the first season or so of the series proper. He later fine-tuned the character's voice to his own strengths as a performer.

Yeah, Castalaneta "grew into" the voice over the first few seasons, eventually achieving what Homer's voice sounds like today. Interestingly, his Homer voice from the first couple seasons was different enough that some of my friends and family think that a different person voice acted as Homer in those early seasons. :rolleyes:

Harvey Kent
03-21-2009, 06:20 PM
Originally Posted by Hiya Animation http://forums.toonzone.net/images/buttons/buttons_TZ6/viewpost.gif (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?p=3123592#post3123592)
Whoever replaced the voice of Dexter in the Chris Savino Dexter's Lab episodes.


It was Candi Milo who became the new voice of Dexter in the shows' final season, and in the case of both Dexter's Lab and All Grown Up, the producers didn't replace VAs by choice; Christine Cavanaugh retired from voice acting.

Yeah, I have to agree there. The replacement VA for Dexter just seemed like a step down from the original IMO.

Harvey Kent
03-21-2009, 06:22 PM
Wayne Grayson

Sweet name! It's Batman and Robin in one! LOL :D

Harvey Kent
03-21-2009, 06:28 PM
In the DTV Mystery of the Batwoman, IMO David Ogden Stiers just seemed not nearly as suited to VAing the Penguin as Paul Williams was. To me Paul Williams is the voice of the Penguin as much as Mark Hamill is the voice of the Joker and Kevin Conroy is the voice of Batman. I must say that IMO Batman: The Animated Series had some of the best voice casting of any animated show or film ever! Thank you, Andrea Romano.