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laugh4me
06-25-2001, 10:50 AM
Yup, it's true. Adam is back with another column about Cartoon Network and their programming decisions. He's not against showing the cartoons this time, since the context is explained. He does object to some almost apoligetic comments toward the Japanese (the same kind of stuff you heard about the recent "Pearl Harbor" movie).
Note that some members of our group here are referred to as "animation fanatics who attacked me"... ;)

here's the article included below (http://www.nypost.com/06252001/entertainment/33292.htm)
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RIGHT IN THE FUEHRER'S FACE

By ADAM BUCKMAN
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June 25, 2001 -- How does the Cartoon Network deal with ethnic stereotypes in the old cartoons?
Sometimes the network withdraws them altogether, as it did earlier this month when it pulled 12 shorts from its annual "June Bugs" marathon of Bugs Bunny cartoons.

And at other times, it surrounds them with a lot of historical context, which the network hopes will help some viewers understand how the outrageous caricatures of Blacks and other minorities came to be in the 1930s and '40s.

An upcoming Cartoon Network special on propagandistic World War II cartoons provides just such an example.

The special - presented under the "Toonheads" banner and titled "The Wartime Cartoons" - is styled like a documentary, with clips, narration and four cartoons shown in their entirety. It premieres next Sunday (July 1) at 10 p.m.

The show is designed to place the pro-American, and anti-German and anti-Japanese images shown in the cartoons in perspective.

And it largely succeeds, except for some unfortunate narration at one point that seems to go too far in accommodating the Japanese, who were, of course, our deadly enemy in World War II.

The narration comes about midway through the one-hour show when it comes time to explain why the Japanese were depicted as diabolical little fat guys with outlandish buckteeth and wearing round owlish spectacles.

"The cartoon medium allowed artists to caricature the enemy in outrageous ways," says the female voice of the narrator in an introduction to clips from "Tokyo Jokio," a wartime cartoon rife with Japanese caricatures (and unfortunately, not shown in its entirety during the special).

"In the cartoon 'Tokyo Jokio,'" says the narrator, "Japanese stereotypes were particularly cruel."

If I may interrupt the narrator for a moment: What was more cruel? The way animators portrayed the Japanese in cartoons? Or the way the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor on a Sunday morning? There's some context for you.

Now, back to the show. Here's the part that really had me doing a doubletake while watching a review tape recently: "In these uncensored scenes from ["Tokyo Jokio"]," the narrator says, "the Japanese were not portrayed fairly or accurately."

Awww.

And here's the kicker: "To add injury to insult," she says, "cartoon superstars Bugs Bunny, Popeye and Superman also attacked the Japanese!" Clips of these unprovoked "attacks" are then shown.

You see, this is the stuff that drives people crazy. Earlier this month, I defended the Cartoon Network's decision to yank the 12 offending cartoons from its annual "June Bugs" marathon.

I believe now what I thought then: In an era when many TV networks seem to be abdicating responsibility for the offensive junk they air, the Cartoon Network should be applauded for policing its own programming - not vilified for it.

Then the network comes along and produces a documentary that practically apologizes for the way our sworn enemies were depicted in cartoons at a time when we were locked with them in a life-or-death struggle.

And what was with that bit about Bugs, Superman and Popeye "attacking" the Japanese? What did the Cartoon Network expect our cartoon heroes to do? Invite them out for sushi?

These weaknesses notwithstanding, I'm hopeful that the Cartoon Network will follow "The Wartime Cartoons" with a documentary-style examination of the 12 Bugs Bunny cartoons it withdrew from "June Bugs."

The animation fanatics who attacked me a few weeks ago for sticking up for the Cartoon Network are correct when they insist the offending cartoons should be shown. I disagree, however, that you can show them as is and without explanation.

Next weekend's "Wartime Cartoons," however, proves that there's a way to do that in a way that is offensive to no one - even those who would seek to destroy us.

Thad Komorowski
06-25-2001, 11:23 AM
Well, he's on OUR side this time, and this article is much better than his first one we saw. Why should CN apologize to the Japanese and Germans? It doesn't make sense. No offense to anyone who's herritage is German or Japanese, but what THEY did to us, was worse than us making 7 minute cartoon shorts making fun of them.

-Thad:D

Sinople
06-25-2001, 02:50 PM
He's proved what I thought about his column; he'll take any contary position. He's just a professional gadfly. Who knows what he actually thinks. His pieces aren't about opinion, just playing at being a devil's advocate. Thousand of trolls on the internet, one was bound to get his own column.

Nelson
06-25-2001, 05:06 PM
I loved on how Mr. Buckman mentioned us in the article, and it made me feel really good.I must say that it was good that we all stuck together as a team on this subject matter and told him on who we are and how we felt about his comments.

BTW:It was also good to see that Mr. Buckman also said that he hopes CARTOON NETWORK should do the same thing with the recently censored Bugs Bunny cartoons the same way the TH:THE WARTIME CARTOONS and find a way to show the twelve cartoons on their network.

TServo2049
06-25-2001, 07:05 PM
It's 11 cartoons, not 12! What's Cookin' Doc is still safe to air.

J Lee
06-25-2001, 07:56 PM
Bashing going soft on the Japanese is "in" right now, because of the soft tone Disney's "Pearl Harbor" took in order to market the film in Japan. The biggest problem with the anti-Japanese WWII cartoons, compared to the anti-German ones, is the ones attacking the Nazis went after Hitler, Mussolini and the other top Nazis directly, while only Tashlin's "Plane Daffy" included Tojo -- the anti Japanese toons used generic Japanese soliders in highly unflattering charactures, instead of taking shots at the leaders (though Jim Tyer did have Popeye punch out Hirohito in "Seein' Red, White & Blue")

Thad Komorowski
06-25-2001, 08:19 PM
I have to aggree with Buckman: Bugs, Superman, and Popeye "attacked" the Japanese? That's just a bunch of crap. Why it was the one Japanes soilder who tried to slice of Bugs' head right when Bugs gets on the island in "Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips", and Superman was only protecting the world from doom by the Japanese in "The Japateurs, and the Japanese soilders disguised as orphans beat up poor Popeye and Bluto, thinking they are really orphans in "Seein' Red, White, and Blue". Why wouldn't they attack them? It's not like these three went around LOOKING for them to beat up.

-Thad:D

Joe Tully
06-25-2001, 09:49 PM
This guy does kind of seem to be a professional troll. I mean, last time he complained about "racism" in the 11 Censored Bugs', now he's complaining when Toonheads tries to show them while admitting the bias. Well, he still manages to commend the show, but can he try to do an article about something that he likes by actually talking more about the GOOD points? I kind of feel that he knows that by whining about everything, he'll cause more controversy and get a bigger audience. But that's my opinion.

Garrett
06-25-2001, 10:02 PM
He's a boob. In fact, he's an insult to boobs. ;) He's a nincompoop!

kiddiesunshine
06-25-2001, 11:16 PM
Are we animation fanatics? How did we attack Mr. Buckman? (I say "we" because I consider myself part of this family)

kiddiesunshine
06-25-2001, 11:25 PM
Something's not right. First he opposes the cartoons. Now he supports them? What the hell!? He wants the Bugs cartoons on TV now? He said there should be an explanation before the cartoons, right? Weren't those 12 cartoons gonna have explanations and disclaimers? Maybe Clarence came to him and told him what life would be like without uncensored cartoons. You all know who Clarence is, right?

laugh4me
06-25-2001, 11:34 PM
Originally posted by kiddiesunshine
Something's not right. First he opposes the cartoons. Now he supports them? What the hell!? He wants the Bugs cartoons on TV now? He said there should be an explanation before the cartoons, right? Weren't those 12 cartoons gonna have explanations and disclaimers?

That was a big inconsistency that jumped out at me too...

Nelson
06-25-2001, 11:41 PM
In my opinion, it was great when Mr.Buckman said...we, the "animation fanatics" are correct that the offending cartoons SHOULD be shown. And he agrees with us (SHOCKING ISN'T IT?) on this subject matter, Hey! we know what we are talking about.

V for VICTORY!!!!

BTW:I am proud and honored to a BIG part of our "Animation Fanatics" family...Damn Proud!!!!

Jack
06-25-2001, 11:47 PM
You all know who Clarence is, right?
My aunt's husband?

I'm sort of glad that he's taken this stand, somewhat. Perhaps he thinks the cartoons should be shown in their historical context, but not to the extent that they do not correctly explain what was going on in the cartoons. Theres a big difference between saying "Bugs attacked the Japanese" and "Bugs reacted to Japanese attack."

Also, I guess disclaimers are not sufficiant explanation to him of the cartoons' historical context. In a way, they aren't. There's a difference between "Cartoon Network does not agree with the steriotyping in these cartoons, ect, ect" and saying "These cartoons are the way they are because _______."

Personally, I still think that disclaimers would have been enough for CN to show the 11 Bugs cartoons (but if CN had shown all 11, they would have most likely have ran What's Cookin' Doc? with those, making it 12) because the cartoons would have been run late at night.



Jack
..._ :D

Patrick McCart
06-26-2001, 12:55 AM
Bruckman is full of [CENSORED]!

He said that Tokio Jokio was the most offensive WB cartoon ever made! Why does he support it now?

I think the only thing going through his mind is dead air.

Jack
06-26-2001, 01:13 AM
I think you are thinking of the "THE FIVE MOST RACIST WARNER BROTHERS CARTOONS OF ALL TIME" article by Russell Miller that was posted. Buckman never mentioned Tokio Jokio before now.



Jack:D

kiddiesunshine
06-26-2001, 02:10 AM
The Clarence I meant was the angel from "It's a Wonderful Life". He took Jimmy Stewart and showed him what life would be like if he weren't born. You all know the story. The movie's on only 80, 000 times during the Christmas season. (i think his name was clarence)

Garrett
06-26-2001, 02:59 AM
Originally posted by kiddiesunshine
The Clarence I meant was the angel from "It's a Wonderful Life". He took Jimmy Stewart and showed him what life would be like if he weren't born. You all know the story. The movie's on only 80, 000 times during the Christmas season. (i think his name was clarence)

Not anymore-NBC has assured us that we see it but once a year-twice if the NBA is on strike. ;)

Sinople
06-26-2001, 04:08 AM
Actually with video on demand around the corner, and streaming/downloadable video available on the internet already, it doesn't matter if CN or the WB or TCM or whoever airs these cartoons ever again. All 11 of the banned on Junes Bugs BB cartoons can be viewed and/ or downloaded on the WWW. Most from several locations. WB might have won the battle to keep their non-PC toons off the tube but they lost the war keeping these toons being broadcast and being seen by the public.


I wonder if when video on demand is reality, will WB make all their cartoons available? It would be a natural. They are short and popular.

Jack
06-26-2001, 09:35 AM
The Clarence I meant was the angel from "It's a Wonderful Life". He took Jimmy Stewart and showed him what life would be like if he weren't born. You all know the story. The movie's on only 80, 000 times during the Christmas season. (i think his name was clarence)
I was just being silly, I know who Clarence is. Actually, now that the movie is no longer PD, we'll have a better chance of seeing "A Christmas Story" (I think that's the name) than seeing "It's A Wonderful Life." Considering TNT runs it for 24 hours straight...



Jack:D

kiddiesunshine
06-26-2001, 10:16 AM
Okay, let's get back to the point. Andy Buckman sucks. He's full of crap and he needs to stop walking the fence. Man, Believe in one thing and stick with for God's sake. It's good that he thinks we are right about the cartoons' right to air. He should think that. We are right. I wonder how you guys would feel about me if I said that cartoon censorship was the best thing since sliced bread. Morever, what if I said that Tex Avery was a terrible animator who didn't have a single good cartoon to his credit? ( I'd get a verbal flogging. )