Should CN get more PG rated shows?

[The Overlord]

Considering the 2 top rated shows on CN are rated PG, perhaps that is a sign they should get more PG rated shows? Today's kids might want something with a little more bite to it, if they are going to put down the video games to watch CN.

[chdr]

I'd like for CN to produce TV-PG originals, but the rating shouldn't take over the entire network.

[HEATXZ]

I agree we need more PG Cartoons

[Bloody Marquis]

I agree we need more PG CartoonsBut only if they're good PG cartoons. Remember that being edgier is not necessarily better.

[warnerbroman]

I'd like for CN to produce TV-PG originals, but the rating shouldn't take over the entire network.80% tops as long as they don't wuss out and edit them

[Racattack!Force]

Only if they are actually good. Edgy doesn't always equal quality programming.

[The Overlord]

Only if they are actually good. Edgy doesn't always equal quality programming.

Thing is though, with kids playing ultra violent video games, they might want their cartoons to have a bit more bite to them.

Plus CN has already made a ton of crappy G rated shows from 2005 to 2007, they might as well, take a chance see if they can do better with PG shows.

[Old Guy]

But only if they're good PG cartoons. Remember that being edgier is not necessarily better.

Indeed. Plus, CN is supposed to be a kids channel. Parents won't be too happy if the entire channel turned into a TV-PG fest. And could ultimately result in their ratings dropping with parents blocking the channel.

[warnerbroman]

Indeed. Plus, CN is supposed to be a kids channel. Parents won't be too happy if the entire channel turned into a TV-PG fest. And could ultimately result in their ratings dropping with parents blocking the channel.and more mature audience tuning in

[Old Guy]

and more mature audience tuning in

Maybe. If CN starts attracting an older audience it's gonna start having more competition. Right now their only competition is Nick and Disney. And they're losing. Imagine if they had to compete with everything from FOX to Comedy Central. The channel will die. So, they should stick to their kid-friendly shows cause as great Total Drama Island is...it's not gonna beat Family Guy.

[Old School Toon]

I'd consider the animated shows from most of the 90s and early 00s and most CN originals more edgy and mature then TDI or Clone Wars and they didn't get TV-PG ratings so I really don't see what in either show gets them those TV-PG ratings. They both seem like TV-Y7 shows to me. Flapjack is a perfect example. That show has numerous inside jokes that unless you're old enough you probably wouldn't get(the Kanuckles episode where he has to give up his hand has a few adult themed jokes) and gross humor and that's only TV-Y7.

Anyways I really don't see all of this excitment over CN airring 2 TV-PG shows and how so many people think that it was a revolution or that it was the best thing ever to happen to CN. I thought CN aired TV-PG shows before but maybe I'm wrong. I know most of the anime they aired which unedited would have been TV-PG to TV-14 , since AS got the real violent or sexual animes that would really be TV-MA, were in the TV-Y7 range. Tenchi Muyo, Gundam Wing, DBZ and a few other shows were edited quite a bit on CN and had TV-Y7 but their uneditied versions weren't much different and they seemed to be more TV-PG then anything. Hell the edited versions seem like they would have been TV-PG.

If CN gets more TV-PG shows it wouldn't really matter to me. As long as they are good I wouldn't care if they were TV-G. However I'm hoping that some of the newer originals or shows picked up from Cartooninstitute stay in the TV-Y7 to TV-PG range.

[Old Guy]

I really don't see what in either show gets them those TV-PG ratings.

I don't think every episode of TDI earned a TV-PG but those that did had clear reasons. For example, the episode where Harold sees Heather topless. I mean...you can't have off-screen topless chicks and expect a TV-Y7.

[Jayngfet]

I'd consider the animated shows from most of the 90s and early 00s and most CN originals more edgy and mature then TDI or Clone Wars and they didn't get TV-PG ratings so I really don't see what in either show gets them those TV-PG ratings. They both seem like TV-Y7 shows to me. Flapjack is a perfect example. That show has numerous inside jokes that unless you're old enough you probably wouldn't get(the Kanuckles episode where he has to give up his hand has a few adult themed jokes) and gross humor and that's only TV-Y7.

Anyways I really don't see all of this excitment over CN airring 2 TV-PG shows and how so many people think that it was a revolution or that it was the best thing ever to happen to CN. I thought CN aired TV-PG shows before but maybe I'm wrong. I know most of the anime they aired which unedited would have been TV-PG to TV-14 , since AS got the real violent or sexual animes that would really be TV-MA, were in the TV-Y7 range. Tenchi Muyo, Gundam Wing, DBZ and a few other shows were edited quite a bit on CN and had TV-Y7 but their uneditied versions weren't much different and they seemed to be more TV-PG then anything. Hell the edited versions seem like they would have been TV-PG.

If CN gets more TV-PG shows it wouldn't really matter to me. As long as they are good I wouldn't care if they were TV-G. However I'm hoping that some of the newer originals or shows picked up from Cartooninstitute stay in the TV-Y7 to TV-PG range.

Minor nitpick, but since I just got back from a tench binge I'm noticing a lot of censored things, aside from all the nudity that comes with all the bathing and drinking in a hotspring of some sort(not to mention that episode where ryoko was kidnapped and went topless for the episode), adult themes, and the censored alcahol, occasional limbs get blown off. I wouldn't be surprised if reruns uncut make it to adult swim.

[Blackstar]

But only if they're good PG cartoons. Remember that being edgier is not necessarily better.


Only if they are actually good. Edgy doesn't always equal quality programming.

:^: This. Let's keep in mind that a show is not automatically superior just because it has a TV PG rating attached to it. Let's remember also that despite the occasional "risk" that the channel may have taken in the past year or so, that Cartoon Network is still, first and foremost, a KIDS' channel. Turner wouldn't want CN to "go adult", and there is no reason for them to, since we have ADULT Swim from 10pm-to 6am.

[The Overlord]

:^: This. Let's keep in mind that a show is not automatically superior just because it has a TV PG rating attached to it. Let's remember also that despite the occasional "risk" that the channel may have taken in the past year or so, that Cartoon Network is still, first and foremost, a KIDS' channel. Turner wouldn't want CN to "go adult", and there is no reason for them to, since we have ADULT Swim from 10pm-to 6am.

No one said go adult for CN or that all shows should be PG, something can be for kids and still be PG, like Kung Fu Panda. The thing is though, kids today are more savy in general and entertainment in general has gone further then in the past.

For example when i was kid sure video games were there, but they weren't ultra violent or as prominent as they are now and you would have be naive to think the kids don't play the ultra violent ones.

Its a matter of balance, giving kids some shows with enough edge to be entertaining to today's kids and remain competive, but not go so far that they piss off parents.

[Blackstar]

No one said go adult for CN or that all shows should be PG, something can be for kids and still be PG, like Kung Fu Panda. The thing is though, kids today are more savy in general and entertainment in general has gone further then in the past.

For example when i was kid sure video games were there, but they weren't ultra violent or as prominent as they are now and you would have be naive to think the kids don't play the ultra violent ones.

Its a matter of balance, giving kids some shows with enough edge to be entertaining to today's kids and remain competive, but not go so far that they piss off parents.


I agree with you, but that wasn't exactly my point. My point is that it shouldn't matter what rating a show has as long as it's good. I can enjoy a TV-Y rated show just as much as I could a show with a higher rating. One of my all time cartoons, Rocko's Modern Life, was rated TV-Y. Series' should be judged by the quality of the content, not by it's maturity rating.

[The Overlord]

I agree with you, but that wasn't exactly my point. My point is that it shouldn't matter what rating a show has as long as it's good. I can enjoy a TV-Y rated show just as much as I could a show with a higher rating. One of my all time cartoons, Rocko's Modern Life, was rated TV-Y. Series' should be judged by the quality of the content, not by it's maturity rating.

True enough, you can have crappy PG rated shows, just like you can have crappy G rated shows.

What I'm saying is in order bring in pre teens in more often, you may need some shows with a little more edge to them, nothing overly crude or violent mind you, there is a balance to be struck here. Have a lot of g rated shows to get the 6-11 set interested, but also have some shows to for the 9-14 crowd.

[Mesousa]

CN should be okay the way it is now (1 more PG-rated show wouldn't hurt, though), seeing that Nick and Disney can't do those kinds of shows.

[Racattack!Force]

I don't think every episode of TDI earned a TV-PG but those that did had clear reasons. For example, the episode where Harold sees Heather topless. I mean...you can't have off-screen topless chicks and expect a TV-Y7.On-screen topless. Her breasts were blurred for a few seconds.

[warnerbroman]

:^: This. Let's keep in mind that a show is not automatically superior just because it has a TV PG rating attached to it. Let's remember also that despite the occasional "risk" that the channel may have taken in the past year or so, that Cartoon Network is still, first and foremost, a KIDS' channel. Turner wouldn't want CN to "go adult", and there is no reason for them to, since we have ADULT Swim from 10pm-to 6am.but it would be perfect if the mixed both cuz I have to say AS show are not that great (like 3 shows out of 5) like I think the simpsons would fit better on CN I mean how mana aduld show has kids meals other than movies

[Dr.Pepper]

I don't care if they get more PG rated shows. I mean its a kids channel so they shouldn't become infested with PG rated shows.

[The Overlord]

I don't care if they get more PG rated shows. I mean its a kids channel so they shouldn't become infested with PG rated shows.

Jeez, no one said infest the channel with PG shows, I think most of us can argee that most of the shows should remain G-rated, I'm just suggesting experimentation in order to do to capture the pre teen market, pre-teens are kids as well, but they may want shows with a little more edge to them, because they are a bit older. They would still be kids shows, just they would have content aimed at somewhat older kids.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

CN doesn't need more PG shows. TDI, 6Teen, Naruto and One Piece (not on but they do have it). Are enough. The only reason to get more PG shows would be to attempt to offer more middle ground programing. Since they have no real intention of doing that there's no reason to get more PG programing just for the heck of having more "edgier" content. Y7 shows can be pretty edgy if they want to.

They need more GOOD shows reguardless but what they already have available to air is plenty... they just need to air them.

[The Overlord]

CN doesn't need more PG shows. TDI, 6Teen, Naruto and One Piece (not on but they do have it). Are enough. The only reason to get more PG shows would be to attempt to offer more middle ground programing. Since they have no real intention of doing that there's no reason to get more PG programing just for the heck of having more "edgier" content. Y7 shows can be pretty edgy if they want to.

They need more GOOD shows reguardless but what they already have available to air is plenty... they just need to air them.

You forgot Clone wars. Plus One Piece and Naruto don't even have regular airings anymore, its hard to count them. So that's about 3 shows instead. Besides I thought CN was more interested in getting pre teen audience nowadays. Can we do that better with G rated or PG rated shows, is the question, I guess.

[Antiyonder]

You forgot Clone wars. Plus One Piece and Naruto don't even have regular airings anymore, its hard to count them. So that's about 3 shows instead. Besides I thought CN was more interested in getting pre teen audience nowadays. Can we do that better with G rated or PG rated shows, is the question, I guess.

When all's said and done, content is more of a crutch than a necessity. Higher ratings don't always mean quality. Spongebob Squarepants for one is successful with the adult audience despite being a Y Rated Show.

[Mesousa]

When all's said and done, content is more of a crutch than a necessity. Higher ratings don't always mean quality. Spongebob Squarepants for one is successful with the adult audience despite being a Y Rated Show.

Cartoon Network has always have had their programming Y7 Rated.

It's like, some sort of a rule.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

You forgot Clone wars. Plus One Piece and Naruto don't even have regular airings anymore, its hard to count them. So that's about 3 shows instead. Besides I thought CN was more interested in getting pre teen audience nowadays. Can we do that better with G rated or PG rated shows, is the question, I guess.

Not so much forget as overlooked. But that's true Clone Wars is PG. And yes OP and Naruto hardly count now but they SHOULD count and they should be on daily... but I digress. CN's main focus is kids until that changes or they aim towards teens a bit more they have enough PG programs already.

[Mek]

I'd consider the animated shows from most of the 90s and early 00s and most CN originals more edgy and mature then TDI or Clone Wars and they didn't get TV-PG ratings so I really don't see what in either show gets them those TV-PG ratings.

'Clone Wars' has actual on-screen death... well, 'Lair of Grievous' had the first on-screen, non-clone death of the series.

And in the original draft of 'Destroy Malevolence', Grievous was supposed to murder Captain Panaka (from 'Phantom Menace') on screen... but the producer of the episode demanded a redo for whatever reason.

(Might I add that Lucas even approved Panaka's brutal death?)

So don't be surprised if Clone Wars does indeed earn its TV-PG-V rating later on down the line...

[Racattack!Force]

Oh, Star Wars: The Clone Wars will earn that rating, since it will get darker and darker as time goes by.

[Mesousa]

'Clone Wars' has actual on-screen death... well, 'Lair of Grievous' had the first on-screen, non-clone death of the series.

And in the original draft of 'Destroy Malevolence', Grievous was supposed to murder Captain Panaka (from 'Phantom Menace') on screen... but the producer of the episode demanded a redo for whatever reason.

(Might I add that Lucas even approved Panaka's brutal death?)

And the episode "Rookies", where the phrase "What The Hell" was used. (As well as the Hell word said two other times)

[Comics_the_QB]

And the episode "Rookies", where the phrase "What The Hell" was used. (As well as the Hell word said two other times)

Which was quickly taken off, due to us praising it. :shrug:

[Mek]

Oh, Star Wars: The Clone Wars will earn that rating, since it will get darker and darker as time goes by.

If they have a TV-PG rating, they may as well use it!

I know Lucas has been quoted as saying that this series will get darker at some points and that it won't be like a 'traditional' kids show. I'd have to get the exact quotes from Wookieepedia, but ah well. (Frankly, I'm looking forward to uncut DVD releases in the future. A "kids" show it might be, but there's a big enough adult audience to support such a thing)

Maybe the success of Clone Wars will give CN more of an impetus to be a little more daring with their action shows, either original, acquired or imported. Not that I want excessive violence or swearing, but Clone Wars is a pretty good example of striking the right balance. So far, anyways.

[Mesousa]

Which was quickly taken off, due to us praising it. :shrug:

Wait, since when did that happen?! :confused:

[Racattack!Force]

Wait, since when did that happen?! :confused:A little after the episode aired. Next airing was edited.

[warnerbroman]

Which was quickly taken off, due to us praising it. :shrug:a thing I will never understand

[Light Lucario]

Only if they are actually good. Edgy doesn't always equal quality programming.

Exactly. I completely agree. Just because a show has a PG edge to it, it doesn't automatically make it better. It definitely wouldn't make a show with a weak storyline any better. What counts to make a show interesting and enjoyable for people to watch is how well the storyline is, not what rating it has. Besides that, I'm sure some parents would have issues with an overload of PG rated shows on CN, considering it is meant to target kids.

[ozymandias]

I believe the content level of most DCAU and golden age Toonami shows would be a good gauge of where to go content wise without pissing off parents

[Starbro]

I don't think The Overlord was suggesting that PG-rated stuff take over the network; I believe he's just asking if some shows with a stronger rating might bring in some older kids, who seem to believe that a higher rating equates higher quality (which we all know it doesn't, but several kids believe that).

My 2 cents: I don't think the odd "bolder" show airing on CN would hurt, particularly if these edgier outings aired at night, say, during the 9-to-10 hour right before [adult swim], but overall it would depend on the quality of the show(s) themselves; I've seen plenty of "mature" shows which stink on ice, and an equal number of quality programs without a drop of so-called "edge" in them.

[Mugsy]

Id like to see more PG-TV14 shows aired I suppose, but anything more edgy than that is best left for CN's late night block. More action and violence is never a bad thing....

[Yusuke Urameshi]

Cartoonnetwork is directed towards children aint it?

I mean, PG shows are great and all, cept, I don't think parents would take it with there hands folded behind there backs.
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[The Overlord]

Not so much forget as overlooked. But that's true Clone Wars is PG. And yes OP and Naruto hardly count now but they SHOULD count and they should be on daily... but I digress. CN's main focus is kids until that changes or they aim towards teens a bit more they have enough PG programs already.

Regardless I don't count shows that don't appear on a network regularly, so those shows don't count. Its like counting Veronica's Closet as NBC show, even though it has't aired on NBC in years.

The focus kids, but there are different types of kids, is what you are ignoring there are different types of kids who need differnt things to appeal to them: appealing to 9-14 year olds is different then appealing to the 6-11 crowd.

I'm not being some fanboy who wants over the top violence and crude sexual humor to appeal to other fanboys, I thinking what might appeal to today's kids, who are savy then previous generations, that's all.

[Cartoon1]

Considering the 2 top rated shows on CN are rated PG, perhaps that is a sign they should get more PG rated shows? Today's kids might want something with a little more bite to it, if they are going to put down the video games to watch CN.

Think about it, what's the point? They'll edit all the episodes anyway.

[Old School Toon]

Well one thing is it isn't like TV-PG is aimed at teenagers or something. TV-G is for any age but mianly for kids under 6 like the G rating in movies. TV-PG is more similar to TV-Y7 and TV-PG is basicly like a PG rating but a little more older in a sense. However it's still aimed at kids regardless. TMNT was a somewhat dark and violent movie and t was PG and it was mainly aimed at kids. There's no real difference between a TV-Y7 show and a TV-PG show because as I said if you look at most animation from the 90s and early 00s they were much more mature and edgier then what is on tv today and they got TV-Y7 ratings.

Something I noticed though is that with kids shows now they aren't as witty, mature, edgy or groundbreaking as shows in the 90s or early 00s except maybe a few minor exceptions. Look at the Disnye and Nick live action shows. Now compare them to the Disney and Nick live action shows back in the 90s or early 00s and you'll see they are aimed at a much younger audience then the shows back then were. No Wizards of Waverly Place or Suite Life has the same content a Even Stepehens had. I think that if a show on the animation front at least up until now like Cow and Chicken which had alot of inside jokes or Ren and Stempy tried to get greenlit now they may have a hard time getting made or would either have to get edited alot or not even come out because they don't fit what these channels see as their core audience.

What I'd rather see with animation instead of focusing on the rating it gets is creativity and ideas similar to the animated shows of the 90s that pushed boundries and that both kids could enjoy and even parents could sit down and enjoy. My brother laughs at Flapjack with my nephew because while it's aimed at kids as I said before it has alot of inside jokes that even though it's aimed at kids no kid would really understand what's going on that the older person would be laughing at anyways. Jhonny Bravo had those moments, Cow and Chicken had those moments, Angry Beavers had those moments and now Flapjack has those moments.

As I said before I don't really see what's the big deal about TV-PG shows. There's very little that seperates them from a TV-Y7 show. As long as the show is a good show the rating really shouldn't matter. Hell I enjoyed Baby Loony Toons to an extent especially at that 9:00 A.M. slot it used to have when there would be nothing on tv and it was TV-G and it was a pretty good show. I think a Pup Named Scobby Doo was TV-G as well.

All I know is that adult shows have gotten more adult and over all better while most kids shows have declined in quality over past decades and have been dumbed down and more in the safezone. The last American animated show that really pushed that boundry was Spongebob.

[Racattack!Force]

Think about it, what's the point? They'll edit all the episodes anyway.They never edit SW:CW, and you can see it uncut legally online anyway. Same for TDI and TDA. Legal uncut online on Teletoon's website.

[Starbro]

More action and violence is never a bad thing....

IF that's what a particular show calls for. Action and violence do not automatically equal quality entertainment.

[XDogg]

IF that's what a particular show calls for. Action and violence do not automatically equal quality entertainment.
Yeah, I agree with you. We don't need that to influence kids.:sweat:

[Starbro]

Yeah, I agree with you. We don't need (action and violence) to influence kids.:sweat:

Thanks, but that wasn't exactly my point. As far as "influencing kids" goes, that's what show ratings are for. Parents can always check the rating of a particular show and decide for themselves if said show is suitable for their children to watch.

I was referring to the common belief many people have that a stronger rating like TV14 or TVPG alone instantly means a better quality product. It doesn't. A show doesn't have to be "edgy" in order to be good. Often, the "more mature = better show" idiom is held and perpetuated by teens and young adults who are simply embarrassed to admit that they still watch cartoons, so they perpetuate this belief that watching an animated program with a lot of "hardcore" material makes them more "adult" vicariously.

The irony being that several people who staunchly embrace this belief are often the exact opposite of mature. (BTW, I'm not indicting anyone here, that's just been my personal experience.)

[soundmonkey44]

I don't think a shows rating really matters,,,But then a gain there were a lot of good Cartoons on tv Rated PG back in the 90's Gargoyles, X-men, Batman, Thundercats, Reboot, Real adventures of Johhny Quest.....You know what CN could Use some more PG shows... at least 2 new US/Canada cartoons and 2 animes...Then they would have more then enough PG cartoons!

[warnerbroman]

They never edit SW:CW, and you can see it uncut legally online anyway. Same for TDI and TDA. Legal uncut online on Teletoon's website.keyword"Teletoon"

[Racattack!Force]

keyword"Teletoon"It's not a Canadian-only site. You can use its features even if you don't live in the country.

[warnerbroman]

It's not a Canadian-only site. You can use its features even if you don't live in the country.true if you don't mind spoilers