Whats with all the hate for Disney XD?

[Radical Raven]

I've wondered this since the change was first announced. When it first came into public knowledge that it was going to be a "boys channel", there was a lot of moaning that it would just be the same-old glorification of sports and music. Now that we know they're are going to be a lot of traditional animated shows (new and old) people are still complaining about the change. It just seems like people are going out of their way to hate this channel. Why?

[chdr]

I agree. I'm actually looking forward to DXD, a lot more than what was Toon Disney.

[The Huntsman]

The obvious reason is that a lot of animated programs are no longer going to have a legitimate shot at being shown on the network. With Toon Disney, there was always the possibility that an old animated program would be shown as part of a super stack or in some random airing, but Disney XD has a much more limited target demographic and I sincerely doubt that they’ll be showing things such as “101 Dalmatians: The Series” or “Chip ‘n Dale Rescue Rangers”. People loved Toon Disney because it was a place to watch the classics, and even though the classics had been reduced over the years thanks to Jetix, people were still able to watch them. That doesn’t seem as likely with Disney XD. Disney XD will air some older animated programs, but as far as I can tell, “Batman: The Animated Series” is the only one that has been confirmed.

[Antiyonder]

The obvious reason is that a lot of animated programs are no longer going to have a legitimate shot at being shown on the network. With Toon Disney, there was always the possibility that an old animated program would be shown as part of a super stack or in some random airing, but Disney XD has a much more limited target demographic and I sincerely doubt that they’ll be showing things such as “101 Dalmatians: The Series” or “Chip ‘n Dale Rescue Rangers”. People loved Toon Disney because it was a place to watch the classics, and even though the classics had been reduced over the years thanks to Jetix, people were still able to watch them. That doesn’t seem as likely with Disney XD. Disney XD will air some older animated programs, but as far as I can tell, “Batman: The Animated Series” is the only one that has been confirmed.

Jackie Chan Adventures, Superman, Iron Man, Spider-Man and The Spectacular Spider-Man are planned for inclusion too.

[The Huntsman]

Jackie Chan Adventures, Superman, Iron Man, Spider-Man and The Spectacular Spider-Man are planned for inclusion too.“The Spectacular Spider-Man” isn’t exactly old. As for the others, I can’t say that I’m surprised, but my point still stands that many other shows aren’t going to have much of a chance at being shown on Disney XD. Some of them might, such as “Gargoyles”, but they aren’t going to be showing “The Little Mermaid” or anything of that sort on a network that is geared specifically towards boys. Toon Disney had a wider target demographic, which permitted it to have a wider array of programming.

[peterg14]

I would mind if Toon Disney had some awesome schedules and shows that they showed everyday, but over the past year, they've basically become a cycle of the same 6 shows, with maybe a small chance to see something different. At least now, the channel will get some fresh blood.

[Martin Juneau]

I wishing to have Toon Disney for have a better experience of the old Disney animated shows. Since they make out of the syndication, Toon Disney have the bext experience for the 80's to 2000's Disney animated shows. I feel sad the're gone. :crying:

[NewcomerDC]

The hate is coming from the old school Disney fans who loved how their shows were treated with respect. Although they might've had flaws with either script writing or animation, the days of The Disney Afternoon/One Saturday Morning were the best Toon Disney had to offer along with DIC programming and other good quality shows from Disney Channel and ABC Kids.

[Antiyonder]

I don't really hate it, and some of the shows are really promising.

My only problem that this and Fox soon to be rid of their Saturday Morning line up, diminishes the alternatives that animation fans have as far as basic cable goes. If Nicktoons/Boomerang/Funimation Channel were more available, it would just be a minor inconveniece at the most.

[Burgundy Ranger]

and I sincerely doubt that they’ll be showing things such as “101 Dalmatians: The Series” or “Chip ‘n Dale Rescue Rangers”. People loved Toon Disney because it was a place to watch the classics,
I really have no great feeling one way or the other about the switch.

Mainly because I'll never grasp how shows like the ones you mention come anywhere close to being "classics."

So, it's just switching out one batch of formulaic programming for another.

[Tommy Lawson]

I think it might be due to a lack of DVD releases. Look at the Power Rangers box sets overseas which we don't get here. I think there would be a lot less griping if every single animated TV series Disney released was available beginning-to-end on DVD, but unfortunately, they usually stop midway through a show's release, and seem to blame "lower sales" for the reason to stop. Disney should do some better budgeting on both the timing and number of copies produced of the final volumes of a show's DVDs, instead of assuming to produce the exact same amount of DVDs every single time.

[The Huntsman]

Mainly because I'll never grasp how shows like the ones you mention come anywhere close to being "classics."Was that really necessary? Regardless, it all boils down to personal opinion. I have been an ardent supporter of Disney XD and I have created several threads letting people know about the animated programs that are going to debut on the network, but I believe that it is well within my rights to be a bit disappointed that several animated programs that I love are probably never going to be seen on TV again.

[Dr.Pepper]

I am kind of upset because I always thought of Toon Disney as a haven for animated Disney shows (but that thought has been dying over the past couple of years), and now its a channel for elementary school boys.

Off-topic: Does anyone know if they are going to be playing House of Mouse on Disney XD?

[Mad Mod 49]

Personally, I think Toon Disney has been dead and over with since 2004 due to the pimping out of Jetix; rebranding it Disney XD is probably for the best, that way it won't feel so "fake" like it does now (being called Toon Disney when there's barely any Disney.)

[Burgundy Ranger]

Was that really necessary? Regardless, it all boils down to personal opinion.
I'll never debate or deny that it's all personal opinion and one opinion is no better or worse than any other.

All I did was state my opinion -- strongly, yes, but nothing more than an opinion all the same -- that most of what came out in the early 90s was rather mundane and run-of-the-mill.

[Blackstar]

The switch doesn't affect me, as I barely watch Toon Disney as it is.

[Dudley]

I was shocked and upset at first. I grew up watching Toon Disney every time I had the chance. It was another channel where I could watch a lot of cartoons.
But once Jetix came on, and they started producing original shows, and getting shows like Superman, Batman, and airing Fox Kids shows after acquiring Saban Entertainment, I looked more forward to that than anything that Toon Disney aired.
The only thing I enjoyed on Toon Disney was the movies.

So long as the classics (or better yet, the shows I actually watched) on Toon Disney are available to view through other venues, then I don't really mind them going. So long as Disney XD still airs plenty of classic animated movies, I'll be fine.

[Silverstar]

A great deal of the hate is due to the fact that this format/name change signals the final nail in the coffin as far as the Silver Age Disney shows (Rescue Rangers, TaleSpin, Goof Troop, Darkwing Duck, the 1 Saturday Morning shows, etc.) and 90's era acquisitions (Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, the Fox Kids shows, et al) ever returning to television, at least as long as Disney owns them all. Before, when Jetix was just a block and but one percentage of Toon Disney, people could hold on the hope (however thin a veil it was) that these shows would someday return, but with the channel changing names and getting a complete overhaul format-wise, those hopes are pretty much in the dumpster.

There's also disdain for the channel's "wannabe cool" demeanor; their ads are trying very shamelessly to pander to the suppsoedly "hip" teen/tween demographic. This desire to captialize on the early adolescent audience has earned Disney a lot of razzing over the recent years.

[Mad Mod 49]

Well, even for Disney XD as I am, it's pretty much impossible to not admit that the marketing sucks. Hint for Disney's marketing team: if you want something to come across as cool, then don't use "cool" stereotyping...it just makes it seem UNcool. :sweat:

[J!!!]

I love XD already Spiderman Batman and Superman all on 1 channel

[Burgundy Ranger]

I love XD already Spiderman Batman and Superman all on 1 channel
Toon Disney/Jetix has been like that for quite some time.

[dth1971]

And what will Disney Channel become? Disney Girlz Channel?

[Dr.Pepper]

And what will Disney Channel become? Disney Girlz Channel?
Shh! Don't give them any ideas;)

[creativerealms]

While it's too early for me to hate the channel I hate the idea behind it. The idea that Disney has just given up on trying to get boys to watch Disney Channel that they create a seperate channel just for them. It's a bad idea and one which might just fail. They never intended for Disney Channel to get such a female audence and it's good that they did. But i see going even further with the whole seperation thing to be a dumb movie, and pointless.

Also the ads suck simple as that. We are a bit more then a month away and yet the ads on Tv tell nothing about the channel, none of the shows, or what the channels goal is, nothing. While that does not matter to us who pay attention to the new on line and such it's target audence has no clue what XD is about, just that it's a new channel.

It's a bad idea and Disney's advertisements have been worse. I will still be watching it, at least thirteen times for season two of Spectacular Spider-man. But right now thats the only draw it has for me.

[Raidon Makoto]

I don't necessarily hate XD yet, since I have yet to see it. I think its interesting that Disney's streaming video service was able to secure itself its own channel, however.

I'm going to miss Toon Disney, though. I remember watching Toon Disney when my family was at Disney World because we didn't get TD at our house. It was fun watching all of the old Disney shows, and it was also the first time I had seen Digimon in years. I get Toon Disney now, so the magic has kind of worn off, but I watched Digimon on Jetix. I'm going to miss TD/Jetix.

[Old Guy]

rather mundane and run-of-the-mill.

We can say the same about Power Rangers. ;)

[chdr]

I don't necessarily hate XD yet, since I have yet to see it. I think its interesting that Disney's streaming video service was able to secure itself its own channel, however.

I'm going to miss Toon Disney, though. I remember watching Toon Disney when my family was at Disney World because we didn't get TD at our house. It was fun watching all of the old Disney shows, and it was also the first time I had seen Digimon in years. I get Toon Disney now, so the magic has kind of worn off, but I watched Digimon on Jetix. I'm going to miss TD/Jetix.

It didn't, not that I know of. From what I know of, the only similarities with the online service and the channel is pretty much the name.

[Master-Dee]

Well, I sorta agree with the changing in Toon Disney. And besides Toon Disney has been out of wack, I don't know since years. And with all the changes going on in Disney I think it's time to have a new change. :crying: ;)

And Disney XD is the right thing to do in my opinion, and besides we have to get with the 21st Century. :ack: But I am gonna miss the old shows. :crying:

[ABrown]

I really don't know a whole lot about Disney XD other than what I've read on Wikipedia. Wikipedia says that Batman:TAS and Superman:TAS will both be featured. But after the way that Toon Disney has treated those shows, I don't really care whether or not they air either show. If they don't air either one, I'll just watch them on dvd. Kim Possible is what I'll be upset about if they choose to drop. Especially since Disney chooses not to release that show on dvd, except for a couple of dvds featuring a very small episode selection.

[Vyse]

Here's my deal with Toon Disney, Jetix, and DXD:

Even though I didn't have Toon Disney until a couple of years ago, I have read about the backlash Jetix had when it debuted on TD in 2004 (in fact, next month would have been the 5th birthday for Jetix). Most of the backlash went against having the live-action Power Rangers on the supposedly all-animation network. But then came some realizations, like that Jetix would present a chance for Disney to exploit more of the Fox Kids/Saban library (which they did with The Tick, Xyber 9, the Marvel shows, and others), the promise of original productions like W.I.T.C.H., SRMTHFG!, and Yin Yang Yo, and that Toon Disney pre-Jetix had been neglecting its own heritage and didn't air anything created beofre Ducktales.

I didn't get the network until 2007, and by then, the damage had already been done. Toon Disney felt more like a block for the Jetix network since the action brand consumed the majority of the schedule due to becomming exclusive to Toon Disney. You were lucky if anything that wasn't a Disney Channel production was on the TD side. And Jetix was big and healthy. Reformatting the network felt more inevitable as more and more Jetix programming took over the schedule. Toon Disney's death was possible, but most were expecting the network to become either Jetix 24/7 (like in Europe) or rename the current network with a few a few modifications (like Jeff Harris' Disney Jetix concept (http://thexbridge.com/sb01.html)). Most, if not all, of us didn't expect Disney to go the other route and recreate Fox Family's failed Boyz Channel and Girlz Channel concept. They're keeping the cuurent route Disney Channel seems to be going with the girl demo. As for Toon Disney/Jetix, they're getting rid of it Old Yeller style and use some of the remains, along with new concepts, to create Spike Jr.

Now, I have hope for DXD; Aaron Stone might be good, some of Jetix's original shows (Power Rangers, Yin Yang Yo, etc) will be back, and I can finally see Spectacular Spider-Man because my CW affiliate hates children. I just don't like the way it's being created.

[The Huntsman]

...some of Jetix's original shows (Power Rangers, Yin Yang Yo, etc) will be back,...I’d expect to see a lot more of Jetix, actually. Disney recently bought out Jetix Europe.

[Vyse]

I’d expect to see a lot more of Jetix, actually. Disney recently bought out Jetix Europe.
...which they already owned. Back in the 90s, Fox decided to create a publicly traded company on the Euronext Stock Exchange (with them possessing majority ownership and the remaining shares publicly traded) that will run the Fox Kids channels and handle the properties (ie merchandising) across Europe. This company, called Fox Kids Europe, was an asset for Fox Family Worldwide, which Disney acquired in 2001. After the acquisition, Disney gained 74% of Fox Kids Europe. In 2004, Jetix was born as a way to re-brand the still-called Fox Kids stations worldwide. On July 14, 2004, FKE was re-christened as Jetix Europe and on January 1, 2005, the UK version of Fox Kids was renamed Jetix (after it began as a block on it).

I see Disney's increase in their stake in Jetix Europe- according to the press release, Big D will own about 96% of JE once completed with the intent to eventually own it all and delist JE off of Euronext- more as integration and elimination of Jetix. The same press release also mentioned this (http://www.jetixeurope.com/site/press_office/press_releases/twdc_to_acquire_jetix_shares.html):

The acquisition will position Disney to better serve its large and growing Jetix audience and distribution partners through improved programming, more targeted branding, more integrated management, and implementation of company-wide synergies.
I take the last line as the eventual death of Jetix in Europe and the rise of DXD there. And, I can't blame them. Even though I think it's a stupid idea to get rid of Jetix or not re-brand TD as Jetix, the name has a foul stench thanks to its impact on Toon Disney. A fresh start (at least in America) could be a good thing. As for Europeans, I don't know if I can survive another rebranding, or now expect the channel slot to get rechristened as something else every once in a while.

[dmxx116]

As long as they don't get Justice League on there I'll be happy.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Disney XD isn't a bad idea for a channel especially since Toon Disney didn't do much with itself in recent years anyway. They're essentially replacing comedy toons with live action comedies and focusing less on being a toons network and more on being a boys network. So all that made Jetix, Jetix will most likely still be there and then some but its going to come with some baggage... baggage that makes it looks more and more like UK's Toonami channel before it bit the dust. Will that work here? It MIGHT or it might do horrible but regardless... I'd really like for them to have some channel or online venue where I can watch Disney's cartoons of yesturyear.

[Knightmare]

I don't mind the idea of DisneyXD, although the jingle in the commercial is really getting annoying. I have never understood why they just didn't ever create a Vault Disney Channel for all of the classic Disney stuff, I think it would have done good on the Digital Cable channels, there always seems to be alot of interest in classic Disney and you'd think that this would be a no brainer.

[hobbyfan]

My take:

I didn't pick up Toon Disney until I upgraded to digital a year and a half ago. They made the same mistake CN made by allowing for live-action on the channel (Power Rangers, the Spy Kids movies, etc.), when it's meant to be all-animated. If they had any semblance of brain cells in the programming dept., the Rangers would've stayed on ABCFam as their cable home. Period.

ABC Kids is treading water, with no schedule changes, Rangers aside, since the start of the 2006-7 season. ABC chose not to pick up Cory in the House, Phineas & Ferb, Wizards of Waverly Place, et al, and they wonder why their ratings are in the proverbial toilet. Everything ABC has is repurped from cable, where it's been played to death (i.e. Suite Life, Hannah Montana).

Disney XD? Please. It's just Jetix with a new name, same lame attitude toward programming. TD just added Suite Life (which doesn't belong, but is there to further repurp the same tired eps into the ground), which can get old in a hurry.

Here's how I'd program it, though:

Mornings:

6-9: Jetix block 1

6: Chaotic
6:30: W.I.T.C.H
7: Spider-Man
7:30: Pinky & the Brain
8: Superman
8:30: Digimon

9-5: Classic Disney Double-Play block:

9-Aladdin
10-Goof Troop
11-Duck Tales
12-Tale Spin
1-Bonkers
2-Chip 'N' Dale's Rescue Rangers
3-Recess
4-Kim Possible

5-Big Movie Show
7-Suite Life
7:30-Power Rangers
8-Superman
8:30-Yin Yang Yo!
9-Spider-Man
9:30-Pucca
10-Batman
10:30-Gargoyles
11-American Dragon Jake Long
11:30-Kim Possible
12 midnight-Power Rangers (2 eps)
1-Big Movie Show (repeat)
3-Suite Life
3:30-Yin Yang Yo!
4-Spider-Man
4:30-Pinky & the Brain
5-Batman
5:30-Gargoyles

I'll come up with a weekend sched later.

[Kazuya Prower]

My take:

I didn't pick up Toon Disney until I upgraded to digital a year and a half ago. They made the same mistake CN made by allowing for live-action on the channel (Power Rangers, the Spy Kids movies, etc.), when it's meant to be all-animated. If they had any semblance of brain cells in the programming dept., the Rangers would've stayed on ABCFam as their cable home. Period.

ABC Kids is treading water, with no schedule changes, Rangers aside, since the start of the 2006-7 season. ABC chose not to pick up Cory in the House, Phineas & Ferb, Wizards of Waverly Place, et al, and they wonder why their ratings are in the proverbial toilet. Everything ABC has is repurped from cable, where it's been played to death (i.e. Suite Life, Hannah Montana).

Disney XD? Please. It's just Jetix with a new name, same lame attitude toward programming. TD just added Suite Life (which doesn't belong, but is there to further repurp the same tired eps into the ground), which can get old in a hurry.

Here's how I'd program it, though:

Mornings:

6-9: Jetix block 1

6: Chaotic
6:30: W.I.T.C.H
7: Spider-Man
7:30: Pinky & the Brain
8: Superman
8:30: Digimon

9-5: Classic Disney Double-Play block:

9-Aladdin
10-Goof Troop
11-Duck Tales
12-Tale Spin
1-Bonkers
2-Chip 'N' Dale's Rescue Rangers
3-Recess
4-Kim Possible

5-Big Movie Show
7-Suite Life
7:30-Power Rangers
8-Superman
8:30-Yin Yang Yo!
9-Spider-Man
9:30-Pucca
10-Batman
10:30-Gargoyles
11-American Dragon Jake Long
11:30-Kim Possible
12 midnight-Power Rangers (2 eps)
1-Big Movie Show (repeat)
3-Suite Life
3:30-Yin Yang Yo!
4-Spider-Man
4:30-Pinky & the Brain
5-Batman
5:30-Gargoyles

I'll come up with a weekend sched later.

Great schedule, but if it were me, I'd also add House of Mouse.

[hobbyfan]

Great schedule, but if it were me, I'd also add House of Mouse.

I'm saving that for weekends, since like so many other shows, there aren't enough episodes to justify having it on every day.

[PeppeRaskell1]

I think most of the hate for Disney XD is that once it premieres, where will all the classic Disney cartoons such as Little Mermaid and DuckTales and all the Disney animated movies go where everyone can watch them? Will another Disney channel have to be created and launched, or will they just be put on some sort of "On Demand" cable channel?

[Antiyonder]

I think most of the hate for Disney XD is that once it premieres, where will all the classic Disney cartoons such as Little Mermaid and DuckTales and all the Disney animated movies go where everyone can watch them? Will another Disney channel have to be created and launched, or will they just be put on some sort of "On Demand" cable channel?

Like I've said before, animation based channels are a rarity. With Disney XD, we lose a somewhat unique channel in favor of a generic one.

And unless they plan to make this a more basic channel, I'm curious as to how Disney thinks this channel will be bursting with viewers.

[Zen Man]

Great schedule, but if it were me, I'd also add House of Mouse.

Toss in Darkwing Duck and maybe Gummi Bears, and you got a winner.

[TMC1982]

And what will Disney Channel become? Disney Girlz Channel?

The Disney Channel (http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Old_Disney_Channel_Memorial/?yguid=201668823) has become that way (although they won't admit it) anyway, with the nonstop pimping of "Hannah Montana", "That's So Raven", "Wizards of Waverly Place" w/ Selena Gomez", "Sonny with a Chance" w/ Demi Lovato, "High School Musical" (mostly young girls buy the merchandise in relation to that), the Jonas Bros. (their fan base is primarily made up of young females), etc., etc. Disney Channel like Toon Disney also lost it's way in recent years by straying way too far from its roots in favor of whatever they feel is "hip and cool" with tweens at the moment. It's incredibly frustrating and pathetic that with all of the rich history that Disney has in their fault, they've decided to completely sell out and put all of their eggs in one basket so to speak.

[Elven Moon]

It wouldn't bother me so much if the shows being lost were completely out on DVD. I'm still waiting for Disney to release the last volume of DuckTales. I'm also sad that shows like Goof Troop and Tale Spin will probably never be shown on TV again with this change. Pucca will probably disappear, too - it's quite cutesy and since this is supposed to be a boy channel, she won't fit. Unless they launch yet another channel for classic stuff (which won't happen), I pretty much won't bother with either of these channels (regular Disney and Disney XD) anymore.

[chdr]

It wouldn't bother me so much if the shows being lost were completely out on DVD. I'm still waiting for Disney to release the last volume of DuckTales. I'm also sad that shows like Goof Troop and Tale Spin will probably never be shown on TV again with this change. Pucca will probably disappear, too - it's quite cutesy and since this is supposed to be a boy channel, she won't fit. Unless they launch yet another channel for classic stuff (which won't happen), I pretty much won't bother with either of these channels (regular Disney and Disney XD) anymore.Pucca is on the XD schedule, and will return for new episodes.

[tb4000]

I think most of the hate for Disney XD is that once it premieres, where will all the classic Disney cartoons such as Little Mermaid and DuckTales and all the Disney animated movies go where everyone can watch them? Will another Disney channel have to be created and launched, or will they just be put on some sort of "On Demand" cable channel?

I suspect all the Disney animated flicks that are more male-oriented will still be shown on XD. The Aladdin/Hercules/Emperor's New Groove type movies.

[Scarface 2.0]

I think Disneyxd will be sucessful.:)

[Zekehawk]

I'm not sure if I will like it or not at this point, but I have to agree the ads are kind of bad. :shrug: The only show I've seen advertised is that new Aaron Stone show.

[Burgundy Ranger]

I'm not sure if I will like it or not at this point, but I have to agree the ads are kind of bad. :shrug: The only show I've seen advertised is that new Aaron Stone show.
In an individual promo, yeah. All the other ones (two shoes, kid vs kat, even p&f and YYY) have just been lumped in with everything else in those all-inclusive generic promos.

[Scarface 2.0]

In an individual promo, yeah. All the other ones (two shoes, kid vs kat, even p&f and YYY) have just been lumped in with everything else in those all-inclusive generic promos.


Yeah its like they want only Aaron stone to be a success.:sweat:

[chdr]

Yeah its like they want only Aaron stone to be a success.:sweat:It's the only XD original Disney is producing themselves (not counting P&F), so obviously they'd want to promote it even more.

[Scarface 2.0]

It's the only XD original Disney is producing themselves (not counting P&F), so obviously they'd want to promote it even more.

You have a point there Cheddar, Anyway what's P&F?

[Blackstar]

You have a point there Cheddar, Anyway what's P&F?

Phineas & Ferb.

[Scarface 2.0]

Phineas & Ferb.

Thanks um,Blackstar you have my thanks.

[RonDrakenfan17]

I don't hate the idea I look forward ti Aaron Stone in fact. But I do think they could have done this better without getting rid of Toon Disney. Why couldn't they have just made a seperate channle so we could watch both?

[soundmonkey44]

I don't thinks its hate towards DisneyXD its anger towards ToonDisney/Jetix Dying. I frankly am mixed on XD im glad there keeping the Marvel & DC toons:D , But i'll miss reruns of Shows like Lilo & Stitch & House of mouse!:sad:

(hopefully Disney will start Releasing there animted shows on DVD faster because of this though,,If I don't see HOM or L&S season 1 on DVD by 2010...Im gonna go HULK!!:evil: :p )