June Bugs 2002

[laugh4me]

From a just-released news article here (http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020307/72287_1.html) we now know that they plan to have a June Bugs this year...

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The tenth June Bugs marathon will air May 31-June 2, 2002, featuring more than 175 Bugs Bunny cartoons. Cartoon Network is the exclusive television home of Looney Tunes.

[Patrick McCart]

They're slowly phasing out classic animation.

[John Doe]

Originally posted by laugh4me
From a just-released news article here (http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020307/72287_1.html) we now know that they plan to have a June Bugs this year...

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The tenth June Bugs marathon will air May 31-June 2, 2002, featuring more than 175 Bugs Bunny cartoons. Cartoon Network is the exclusive television home of Looney Tunes.

How many BB cartoons were aired during June Bugs 2001? :confused:

Since I taped it last year, I probably won't this year unless there are plans to air any of the censored ones not seen in 2001 or before.

[Jack]

Originally posted by John Doe


How many BB cartoons were aired during June Bugs 2001? :confused:

Since I taped it last year, I probably won't this year unless there are plans to air any of the censored ones not seen in 2001 or before.
Roughly the same amount, unless the air the 11 cartoons kept out last year, or unless they show the SNAFU cartoons and Jasper puppetoon where he makes a cameo, or the Bugs Bunny Show, then I doubt anything new will air.


Jack :D

[Daffyfan2002]

Well, CN has recently aired "Frigid Hare" and "What's Cookin' Doc," so you can probably bet that they would be on the marathon.

[Greg Method]

Unless my mind is playing tricks on me, I believe "What's Cookin' Doc" ended up airing last year anyway...hence why we started referring to 11 Bugs cartoons instead of the originally-pulled 12.

So, "Cookin'" will be a given. I would love it if CN scored a print of "Jasper Goes Hunting" (that was the one, right?)...but if you know what Jasper looks like, then you can pretty much forget about that happening. :(

At the very least, CN should premiere the "12 Missing Hares" Toon Heads episode, assuming it was actually finished.

[Jon Cooke]

Originally posted by Greg Method
Unless my mind is playing tricks on me, I believe "What's Cookin' Doc" ended up airing last year anyway...hence why we started referring to 11 Bugs cartoons instead of the originally-pulled 12.


Yup, "What's Cookin' Doc?" did air during last year's June Bugs (around 3am on the first night of the marathon).

-Jon

[Daffyfan2002]

Oh, I see. I did see the marathon, but I don't get CN at home, only in my dorm. So I couldn't see it when I was home for the summer. I borrowed a tape of it from a friend of my mom's. She made two seperate tapes, but some cartoons that did air on the marathon weren't recorded. That's why I didn't see "What's Cookin'?" on that marathon.

[Jimmy Kustes]

Here is the rating info for June Bugs 2001:

June Bugs, the network's annual tribute to the lord of Looney Tunes, Bugs Bunny, racked up powerful ratings to become the most-watched stunt ever on Cartoon Network. Airing June 1-3, June Bugs scored a 1.6 average household rating (+14%) and delivery of an average 1,146,000 homes (+25%). The stunt also charted its best-ever kids 6-11 rating (2.8, +47%), tweens 9-14 rating (1.7, +21%) and adults 18-34 rating (0.7, +40%).

[nerium_oleander]

The issue of the censored Bugs Films is really more of an issue as to whether Cartoon Network wants to air them. They're available to most anyone with a computer if you're just dying to see them, but CN takes a lot of responsibilty when they air something of that sort. They don't want to come across as furthering the Propaganda, and stereotypes, but the films themselves are history and should be preserved as much. You can't really be selective about history because it has something you don't like in it. I think CN could really accomplish something if they were to conceed as much and do a special segment on the censored 11 (12). They don't have to air them, but they could explain why. I think they might have done that last year, I vaguely recall something of that sort, but they could flesh it out a bit.

Bugs is about as high up on the cartoon totem pole as you'll get and it's very important to preserve him and his essence, and these cartoons detracted from that, so I stand by the decision not to air them, but perhaps they could be acknowledged a little better. Times and values change, so of the 11 maybe we'll see more running in the later hours of the marathon, and Greg I think you mean "All This and Rabbit Stew" (I don't remember any with Jasper in the title).

And it's great Bugs pulled the Nielsens, he deserves it, he should truly be worshipped for the Toon God he is. I'm looking forward to June Bugs 2002, and now my only question is, "Where's Daffy's marathon!?"

-n

[Killtacular]

It's not as simple as downloading an episode and putting it into the CN computer schedule.

Not like that at ALL.

Cartoon Network has to get the permission from Warner Brothers to show the 12.

[Do-Do]

Originally posted by nerium_oleander
And Greg I think you mean "All This and Rabbit Stew" (I don't remember any with Jasper in the title).
"Jasper Goes Hunting" is a George Pal Puppetoon in which Bugs makes a cameo appearence.

[BlueAngelGal]

First of all, Cartoon Network needs permission from Warner Bros.? I thought, to some extent, CN WAS Warner Bros.
Second, while we're on the subject, does anyone know of good places to download these toons (preferably in rm format)? I can't seem to get the whole ftp thing working to snag stuff from Goopy Geer...the only stuff I have so far are the ones on the "early years" pages of Toonzone.

[Jimmy Kustes]

Originally posted by nerium_oleander

And it's great Bugs pulled the Nielsens, he deserves it, he should truly be worshipped for the Toon God he is. I'm looking forward to June Bugs 2002, and now my only question is, "Where's Daffy's marathon!?"

-n

That would be on Boomerang

[Daffyfan2002]

I wish I had Boomerang then. I'd really like to see all the Daffy cartoons. Specifically the later Daffy/Speedy films. I know a lot of people say those aren't exactly Warner Bros. best cartoons, but since Speedy has been banned from TV, I have really been wanting to see his cartoons. Besides, I've read about a lot of Daffy/Speedy cartoons in Beck and Friedwald's reference guides and I'd really like to see them so I can judge for myself. After all, I remember "Go Go Amigo," "The Quacker Tracker" and "It's Nice to Have a Mouse Around the House" and they were pretty darn good.

[Jack]

Originally posted by Daffyfan2002
I wish I had Boomerang then. I'd really like to see all the Daffy cartoons. Specifically the later Daffy/Speedy films. I know a lot of people say those aren't exactly Warner Bros. best cartoons, but since Speedy has been banned from TV, I have really been wanting to see his cartoons. Besides, I've read about a lot of Daffy/Speedy cartoons in Beck and Friedwald's reference guides and I'd really like to see them so I can judge for myself. After all, I remember "Go Go Amigo," "The Quacker Tracker" and "It's Nice to Have a Mouse Around the House" and they were pretty darn good.
They don't treat it like the June Bugs marathon, I don't remember hearing that any controversial films aired. Boomerang uses and has access to only the cartoons CN has. I remember when those aired all the time on Nick, it was practically the Daffy/Speedy show.


Jack :D

[Jon Cooke]

Originally posted by Jack

They don't treat it like the June Bugs marathon, I don't remember hearing that any controversial films aired.

Nothing rare aired during Boomerang's Daffy marathon... no wartime cartoons ("Plane Daffy", "Daffy - The Commando", etc.) or Daffy & Speedy. They didn't even come close to airing EVERY Daffy cartoon. If I recall correctly, they aired 8 hours of chronological cartoons one day, and 8 hours of "best of Daffy" cartoons the other.


-Jon

[Nelson]

AOL/TIME WARNER gave former CN President BETTY COHEN, the decison to air the twelve censored BB cartoons.It's my guess is that AOL/TW didn't have a problem with CN showing the 12 censored BB cartoons at all and that's they left the decison up to Cohen to air those cartoons, but as early in April of last year, Cohen WAS going to air the 12 controversial shorts during the late night viewing hours along with a disclaimer putting the shorts in their proper historical context, but at the very last second Cohen backed out and pulled the 12 shorts from the marathon and as a result, angered (myself included) millions of Bugs Bunny fans by not showing those cartoons as they promised all year long by claiming "EVERY BUGS BUNNY SHORT EVER MADE WILL BE SHOWN" for the marathon.

We can only hope that for this year's "June Bugs" 2002 marathon, that somehow CN will present or explain why these cartoons can't be shown and IMO, CN should present these 12 classic cartoons and make it up to all of their viewers, who got screwed and lied to last year

Do The Right Thing Cartoon Network!!!!!!!

[Daffyfan2002]

Stupid Nicolodeon. Maybe we should write to that network and see if they'll restore their program, at least the Speedy cartoons.

[Jack]

I don't know if WB would let Nick purchase the airing rights to any Looney Tunes again. They wouldn't be able to say CN/Boomerang is the exclusive home of Looney tunes anymore.


Jack :D

[Jon Cooke]

Originally posted by Daffyfan2002
Stupid Nicolodeon. Maybe we should write to that network and see if they'll restore their program, at least the Speedy cartoons.


To be fair, it wasn't Nick's (or ABC's) decision to dump their Looney Tunes showings. Both Looney Tunes On Nickelodeon and The Bugs Bunny & Tweety Show were still getting good ratings to the very end.

After Nick's and ABC's contracts with WB were up, Warners wanted all their classic shorts to have a single TV home: Cartoon Network. The rest is history...

Shortly after losing their Looney Tunes rights, Nick did strike a deal with WB to show such recent TV cartoons as Animaniacs and Tiny Toons.


-Jon

[J Lee]

OK, here was the problem last year -- Cartoon Network tooted its own horn too much about running "every" Bugs Bunny cartoon, which in their minds threatened to bring people people out of the woodwork who would protest the airing of those 12 (11) shorts, because, let's face it, there are people in life who have nothing better to do than to find stuff like this and stage a protest, ostenably to provent "evil" people like those at AOL Time Warner from polluting our children's minds with (name your alleged grievance here). In actuality, it's usually more about making a name for themselves and perhaps scoring a few hundred thousand dollars off AOL Time Warner for whatever group they represent in order for them to shut up and go away. With that in mind, the people at CN and their bosses didn't have much of a choice, because they had made the June Bugs marathon a high-profile event that was destined to draw these types of protestors in like a moth is drawn to a flame (to paraphrase a line from an old Clampett `toon).



This year's press release, in contrast, mentions nothing about running "every" Warner Bros. Bugs Bunny cartoon, so in the take-no-chances-of-offending anybody situation CN and AOL Time Warner are in, it would actually be easier to run every Bugs Bunny cartoon, because the people who would likely be ready to stir up trouble wouldn't be out there looking for "All This and Rabbit Stew," "Bugs Bunny Nips The Nips," etc.

Would they run them this year, at 3 a.m. with no announcement? Unlikely, because there was too much publicity about last year's flap, and undoubtably, someone from one of the media outlets that reported it last year (which ranged from the Wall Street Journal to the New York Post) will do a follow-up this year. But if CN low-keys the publicity about June Bugs for another two or three years to where the 2001 contorvery fades into memory, then some enterprising staffers can think about slipping those cartoons into the machine during the middle of the night without any consequences.

[Thad Komorowski]

I still remember watching the news that had a story on the Bugs Bunny GAOLT tape released a years ago, on how it contained "Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips" and was recalled. They even played a clip from it.


-Thad

[Brandon Pierce]

Originally posted by J Lee
OK, here was the problem last year -- Cartoon Network tooted its own horn too much about running "every" Bugs Bunny cartoon, which in their minds threatened to bring people people out of the woodwork who would protest the airing of those 12 (11) shorts, because, let's face it, there are people in life who have nothing better to do than to find stuff like this and stage a protest, ostenably to provent "evil" people like those at AOL Time Warner from polluting our children's minds with (name your alleged grievance here). In actuality, it's usually more about making a name for themselves and perhaps scoring a few hundred thousand dollars off AOL Time Warner for whatever group they represent in order for them to shut up and go away. With that in mind, the people at CN and their bosses didn't have much of a choice, because they had made the June Bugs marathon a high-profile event that was destined to draw these types of protestors in like a moth is drawn to a flame (to paraphrase a line from an old Clampett `toon).



This year's press release, in contrast, mentions nothing about running "every" Warner Bros. Bugs Bunny cartoon, so in the take-no-chances-of-offending anybody situation CN and AOL Time Warner are in, it would actually be easier to run every Bugs Bunny cartoon, because the people who would likely be ready to stir up trouble wouldn't be out there looking for "All This and Rabbit Stew," "Bugs Bunny Nips The Nips," etc.

Would they run them this year, at 3 a.m. with no announcement? Unlikely, because there was too much publicity about last year's flap, and undoubtably, someone from one of the media outlets that reported it last year (which ranged from the Wall Street Journal to the New York Post) will do a follow-up this year. But if CN low-keys the publicity about June Bugs for another two or three years to where the 2001 contorvery fades into memory, then some enterprising staffers can think about slipping those cartoons into the machine during the middle of the night without any consequences.
Soo.... basically what your saying is in short: CN won't show them because of the controversy it started last year, and WB will be watching this year. Okay......

But, seriously, could CN still air SOME of them? Frigid Hare and Hiawatta's Rabbit Hunt should air, as they are pretty important in WB history. HRH is Friz Freleng's first Bugs cartoon, and FH is the first appearence of Playboy Penguin. Bushy Hare should be shown as well, as the native in the cartoon is basically a Tazmanian Devil prototype (at least that's what Jon Cooke stated).

[J Lee]

Cartoons like "Hiawatha's Rabbit Hunt" and "Frigid Hare" are the most likely to sneak through, so long as last year's incident doesn't come to the forefront again before this year's June Bugs.

As for the other cartoons, the less publicized June Bugs is, and the less they make noise about showing "every" BB cartoon, the more likely it is that a few of the other cartoons could get in sometime down the road. Remember, when those two Acme Hours aired in the middle of the night back in October 2000 it was done with no publicity, no advance warning. If you happened to be up that night or had your VCR running, there those cartoons were, if not, tough luck.

Any chance of showing the Bugs cartoons in the future would be based on the same thing -- they'll just be there one night, and unless there's some underground advance notice, no one is going to tell you about it before those cartoons come on, because no one at CN or AOL Time Warner wants the grief they could get from people who wouldn't know "Missisippi Hare" from any other Bugs cartoon, but know there's a lot of publicity, and possibly a lot of cash, to be gained from making a big stink about those cartoons being on.

[tulok]

OK, how bout this as an alternative?

Take those 11 or 12 banned Bugses, package them together, and air them on Turner Classic Movies immedately after the marathon on CN is over. TCM is geared for adults, and they've shown in the past that they don't care nearly as much about whether or not to air offensive material, as they realize it is truly part of history.

It may take two channels to do it, but this way we'd finally get EVERY Bugs cartoon.

[Daffyfan2002]

To be fair, it wasn't Nick's (or ABC's) decision to dump their Looney Tunes showings. Both Looney Tunes On Nickelodeon and The Bugs Bunny & Tweety Show were still getting good ratings to the very end.

After Nick's and ABC's contracts with WB were up, Warners wanted all their classic shorts to have a single TV home: Cartoon Network. The rest is history...
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O.K., I see. Thanks, Jon.

[Daffyfan2002]

OK, how bout this as an alternative?

Take those 11 or 12 banned Bugses, package them together, and air them on Turner Classic Movies immedately after the marathon on CN is over. TCM is geared for adults, and they've shown in the past that they don't care nearly as much about whether or not to air offensive material, as they realize it is truly part of history.

It may take two channels to do it, but this way we'd finally get EVERY Bugs cartoon.
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That wouldn't be a bad idea. In fact, I'd like to see them do the same thing with the Speedy cartoons. On the other hand, I sort of agree with CN about not wanting to offend people who are of different race or culture or things like that. I mean, we are all equal.