Toonami on Boomerang?

[Old School Toon]

Well since there's no Boomerang forum I guess this is the best place to post this in. But since Boomerang over the next 5 years or so will start filling up wit more and more CN "Golden Age" shows to add on to Cow and Chicken, Dexter's Lab and Johnny Bravo which are the only CN shows that were created by Hana-Barbera Studios/CN Studios that currently air on Boomerang that I can think of.

Well is it out the realm of posibility that sooner or later Boomerang airs Toonami? Maybe their own version of Toonami. I mean Boomerang is owned by CN and maybe CN will make a block dedicated to CN from say 1993-2005 that has the shows that aired. As I said it's obvious that CN shows will air on Boomerang down the line and there's still dozens of CN shows that haven't made the jump.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

I like the idea of a Toonami block on Boomerang but they do have Boomeraction to fill that position so to speak.

If they used Moltar footage from the old days it would delightfully vintage feeling. Easy enough to accomplish they just need new VO from Martin C. Crocker who I'm sure they could get again. Or they could just use Cullen with no host or use TOM 1 or TOM 2 (TOM 2 more likely as I don't expect they'd get back Sonny Strait for TOM 1 but that would be neat).

They've got the shows and they've more or less have the spot for it already. They've been airing action cartoons in the late evenings for a while now. Making that Toonami would be easy... packaging wise you don't need much and show wise if it isn't Toonami enough yet adding DBZ would do that in an instant and I'd like to see Boomerang play DBZ from begining to end daily.

Also you could have put this thread on the Toonami board or the classic cartoon board which is also the Boomerang forum (or was anyway).

[Silverstar]

Well since there's no Boomerang forum I guess this is the best place to post this in. But since Boomerang over the next 5 years or so will start filling up wit more and more CN "Golden Age" shows to add on to Cow and Chicken, Dexter's Lab and Johnny Bravo which are the only CN shows that were created by Hana-Barbera Studios/CN Studios that currently air on Boomerang that I can think of.

Well is it out the realm of posibility that sooner or later Boomerang airs Toonami? Maybe their own version of Toonami. I mean Boomerang is owned by CN and maybe CN will make a block dedicated to CN from say 1993-2005 that has the shows that aired. As I said it's obvious that CN shows will air on Boomerang down the line and there's still dozens of CN shows that haven't made the jump.

Actually, there is a Boomerang forum here, only it's now called The Retro Forum (http://forums.toonzone.net/forumdisplay.php?f=116).

And Boom already has an action block; it's called Boomeraction. Keep in mind, however, that Toonami was a programming block, not a show in its' own right; many of the shows that were featured on Toonami over the years were 3rd party acquisitions (with the exceptions of Megas XLR and IGPX) which Turner/Time-Warner no longer has the broadcast rights to (e.g., Rurou ni Kenshin, Sailor Moon, Tenchi Muyo!, Yu Yu Hakusho), so it wouldn't be as simple a matter as just transplanting Toonami over to Boomerang.

Keep in mind also that Toonami was ultimately canceled due to poor ratings, so given that, it doesn't seem like CN would be willing to resurrect the block anywhere at all. If there was any desire on CN's part to keep Toonami going, they wouldn't have canceled the block in the first place.

[The Cartoon]

This probably belongs in either the Retro forum or the Toonami forum, but nonetheless, I wouldn't want to see that happen. In my mind, Toonami isn't classic just yet. Maybe in a couple years, but there are newer cartoons already taking up spots that should be given to the real classics.

[Silverstar]

:^: Again, I'd like to point out that Toonami wasn't a show in and of itself, but rather a block consisting of several rotating shows, many of which CN can no longer air due to their no longer possessing the broadcasting rights. If it weren't for that fact, some of the older Toonami fixtures, like Thundercats, could conceivably air on Boomerang, but more than likely as a stand-alone show or as part of Boomeraction. There's really no need to resurrect Toonami on Boomerang, except maybe for the people who'd really like to see those wraparounds with TOM and company again, and many of those can be viewed on that site whose name shall not be mentioned.

[Jayngfet]

Toonami, poor ratings? The last night went unadvertised and made the top ten. They didn't advertise it, sometimes for months at a time.

And it's nearly twelve, that's gotta count for classic.

And CN still has the rights to it's original lineup.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

:^: Again, I'd like to point out that Toonami wasn't a show in and of itself, but rather a block consisting of several rotating shows, many of which CN can no longer air due to their no longer possessing the broadcasting rights. If it weren't for that fact, some of the older Toonami fixtures, like Thundercats, could conceivably air on Boomerang, but more than likely as a stand-alone show or as part of Boomeraction. There's really no need to resurrect Toonami on Boomerang, except maybe for the people who'd really like to see those wraparounds with TOM and company again, and many of those can be viewed on that site whose name shall not be mentioned.

Far better to direct them to Toonami Digital Arsenal don't you think?

[Deadman]

i think it would be really cool if boomerang had a toonami block with the odl moltar clips.

[chdr]

I don't see the point when Boom already has Boomeraction.

[Blackstar]

Toonami, poor ratings? The last night went unadvertised and made the top ten. They didn't advertise it, sometimes for months at a time.

Fans tuned in to the last night of Toonami because they knew that it was the last night. People had been ignoring the block for some time prior to that.


And it's nearly twelve, that's gotta count for classic.Once again, Toonami was program block, not a show, and there'd be no reason for Boomerang to air it when they already have an action block, Boomeraction.


And CN still has the rights to it's original lineup.But CN no longer has the rights to Ruroni Kenshin, Outlaw Star, Tenchi Muyo!, Sailor Moon, Yu-Yu Hakusho or any of the Gundam shows. They could still show Dragon Ball Z, and Thundercats or Reboot, maybe, but really without their guaranteed heavy hitters, what would be the point?

[chdr]

But CN no longer has the rights to Ruroni Kenshin, Outlaw Star, Tenchi Muyo!, Sailor Moon, Yu-Yu Hakusho or any of the Gundam shows. They could still show Dragon Ball Z, and Thundercats or Reboot, maybe, but really without their guaranteed heavy hitters, what would be the point?

He's talking about Voltron, Thundercats, Real Adventures of Johnny Quest, and various H-B shorts. With the exception of Voltron (not sure if they still own Thundercats), that could be easily done.

[Blackstar]

He's talking about Voltron, Thundercats, Real Adventures of Johnny Quest, and various H-B shorts. With the exception of Voltron (not sure if they still own Thundercats), that could be easily done.

I know what he meant. The only one of those shows that's currently running on Boomerang is Voltron, which airs as part of Boomeraction. However, Boom could indeed show Real Adventures of Jonny Quest, because it was produced by CN studios. Boom could just as easily air all of those shows on Boomeraction. They wouldn't need to bring in Toonami in order to run any of them.

If anyone at Williams Street still gave a crud about Toonami, it would still be a block on CN.

[chdr]

It's not that WS didn't care, it's just that CN pretty much took away Toonami from their hands.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

He's talking about Voltron, Thundercats, Real Adventures of Johnny Quest, and various H-B shorts. With the exception of Voltron (not sure if they still own Thundercats), that could be easily done.

Boomerang has Voltron and Turner owns Thundercats (hence why WB was able to release the DVDs) and yet it never has even once aired on Boomerang... puzzeling.

PPG is about to hit Boomerang as well and Samurai Jack probably wont be too far off... then perhaps Megas XLR (jeez a show from 2004? Sigh... but it's not going to air elsewhere I suppose).

Toonami could be the overnight block on Boomerang rather than Boomeraction.

10:00 PM - Powerpuff Girls
10:30 PM - Samurai Jack
11:00 PM - Dragonball Z
11:30 PM - Dragonbal Z
12:00 AM - The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest
12:30 AM - Thundercats
01:00 AM - Voltron
01:30 AM - DC Cartoons they still have... maybe Batman Beyond

That seems quite reasonable and quite do-able and I'd love to see them try it for a stint. Mind you I don't want the likes of Naruto and Blue Dragon on a Boomerang Toonami those should be left to CN.

[Mickialla]

Boomerang has Voltron and Turner owns Thundercats (hence why WB was able to release the DVDs) and yet it never has even once aired on Boomerang... puzzeling.

PPG is about to hit Boomerang as well and Samurai Jack probably wont be too far off... then perhaps Megas XLR (jeez a show from 2004? Sigh... but it's not going to air elsewhere I suppose).

Toonami could be the overnight block on Boomerang rather than Boomeraction.

10:00 PM - Powerpuff Girls
10:30 PM - Samurai Jack
11:00 PM - Dragonball Z
11:30 PM - Dragonbal Z
12:00 AM - The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest
12:30 AM - Thundercats
01:00 AM - Voltron
01:30 AM - DC Cartoons they still have... maybe Batman Beyond

That seems quite reasonable and quite do-able and I'd love to see them try it for a stint. Mind you I don't want the likes of Naruto and Blue Dragon on a Boomerang Toonami those should be left to CN.

I agree, no new anime should be on there. Heck, I'd even go as far to say that DBZ shouldn't be there. Though it technically is old, it's much newer in Western society. Same for PPG and Jack. PPG is already coming to the network and it could be put elsewhere, and bringing Jack to the network could just get rid of the classics that should be on the network. Maybe putting some old H-B cartoons on it would be good, that way it'd be a real classic Moltar Toonami block.

[chdr]

I agree, no new anime should be on there. Heck, I'd even go as far to say that DBZ shouldn't be there. Though it technically is old, it's much newer in Western society. Same for PPG and Jack. PPG is already coming to the network and it could be put elsewhere, and bringing Jack to the network could just get rid of the classics that should be on the network. Maybe putting some old H-B cartoons on it would be good, that way it'd be a real classic Moltar Toonami block.

If PPG can air, then DBZ should too. It started in the 90's I believe.

[Mickialla]

If PPG can air, then DBZ should too. It started in the 90's I believe.

I don't think PPG should air, but I'm saying that now that it already is, it should be somewhere else on the network. I'm sure it's likely DBZ will come to the network (if CN still owns it that is), but I'm saying I'd rather it didn't.

[gtadbzman]

Does CN even have the rights to DB/Z/GT anymore? Seeing DBZ on Boomerang would be kickbutt or even the original DB.

[chdr]

They aired DBZ earlier this year, and so has DB (on Jetstream).

[gtadbzman]

They aired DBZ earlier this year, and so has DB (on Jetstream).
Yeah but they took them off Jetstream in a snap, so that's why I wondered.

[Jayngfet]

Fans tuned in to the last night of Toonami because they knew that it was the last night. People had been ignoring the block for some time prior to that.


We got the news of it's actual cancellation what, two hours prior? The day before we just new that something was up around samurai jack.

And then there's the fact that among the 600+ People browsing the TZ forum that night, how many people were able to have nielsen boxes in the TV they were watching. Then there's the idea that some, like me, were out of the country that night. The only person I know who tuned in just to see toonami was an online friend in canada with Direct TV, and only because I asked him to tape it the day before.

[DarthGonzo]

We got the news of it's actual cancellation what, two hours prior? The day before we just new that something was up around samurai jack.

And then there's the fact that among the 600+ People browsing the TZ forum that night, how many people were able to have nielsen boxes in the TV they were watching. Then there's the idea that some, like me, were out of the country that night. The only person I know who tuned in just to see toonami was an online friend in canada with Direct TV, and only because I asked him to tape it the day before.

Still, I think it's too much of a coincidence that so many people just happened to be watching Toonami on it's final night

[Blackstar]

We got the news of it's actual cancellation what, two hours prior? The day before we just new that something was up around samurai jack.

And then there's the fact that among the 600+ People browsing the TZ forum that night, how many people were able to have nielsen boxes in the TV they were watching. Then there's the idea that some, like me, were out of the country that night. The only person I know who tuned in just to see toonami was an online friend in canada with Direct TV, and only because I asked him to tape it the day before.

What's your point? None of what you're saying here contradicts the fact that Toonami had been suffering ratings-wise for several months, which is why CN chose to end the block in the 1st place. It would have been possible for CN to revive Toonami, but they clearly must have thought that simply canceleing the block and replacing it with something else was a better idea. CN stopped caring about Toonami because it was no longer the ratings monster that it once had been.


Still, I think it's too much of a coincidence that so many people just happened to be watching Toonami on it's final night

Especially when very few people had been tuning in to Toonami until they heard the news that the block was coming to an end. If a lot of people had still been tuning in to Toonami every week, CN wouldn't have canceled the series in the 1st place.

[Jayngfet]

What's your point? None of what you're saying here contradicts the fact that Toonami had been suffering ratings-wise for several months, which is why CN chose to end the block in the 1st place. It would have been possible for CN to revive Toonami, but they clearly must have thought that simply canceleing the block and replacing it with something else was a better idea. CN stopped caring about Toonami because it was no longer the ratings monster that it once had been.


As people keep saying to me: It's a television block, not you're mother. The two shows that got the top ten are extremley popular on it's own. How many people would drop everything for toonami? I've talked to people who've watched since 97 and still missed it.

[Blackstar]

As people keep saying to me: It's a television block, not you're mother. The two shows that got the top ten are extremley popular on it's own. How many people would drop everything for toonami? I've talked to people who've watched since 97 and still missed it.

OK, now I'm officially confused. One minute you're arguing that Toonami suffered due to a drop in ratings, claiming that lots of people tuned in to the final broadcast of the block::v:


Toonami, poor ratings? The last night went unadvertised and made the top ten. They didn't advertise it, sometimes for months at a time.

And then, you're arguing that people didn't tune in to last showing of Toonami as if they didn't know anything about it? Does not compute. Exactly what point are you trying to make here? It almost seems as if you're now merely debating for the sake of debating. If I'm wrong about this, please point it out.

In any case, I have no intention to debate with you about why Toonami got canceled, because we've already had that conversation and because it's irrelevant to this discussion. The question at hand is: Do you think that Toonami could or should go to Boomerang? To which, my answer is yes to the former and no to the latter, it could conceivably happen, but it wouldn't necessary to because Boomerang already has it's own action block, Boomeraction.

[Gmfox8@cox.net]

Boomerang

[Blackstar]

Boomerang

:confused: I don't understand. Does that mean you think Toonami should go to Boomerang, or not?

[Jave]

Nobody knew that Toonami was going to end that night. All that was leaked was a message that said "Tune in tonight", and it was only a few hours prior. Nobody knew Toonami was going to end up until the block was over, not even those who read the leaked info.

So then yes, Toonami's last night made the Top Ten, but there's absolutely nothing to confirm the fact that it was because people knew it was ending. CN never advertised the ending of the block therefore the general audience (you know, those who bring in the ratings) had no idea the block was going to end.

As DarthGonzo, it can be attributed to coincidence.

[Racattack!Force]

Nobody knew that Toonami was going to end that night. All that was leaked was a message that said "Tune in tonight", and it was only a few hours prior. Nobody knew Toonami was going to end up until the block was over, not even those who read the leaked info.Actually, we learned it that exactly same day, a mere 12 hours before the block's final broadcast. Information that came like that can't go from the internet to the general public so quickly. And if many did know that that was the block's final night, then the Ben 10:AF and Samurai Jack airings would have also gotten into the top ten. So yeah, twas coincidence and gave Toonami's last night good ratings.

[Jayngfet]

OK, now I'm officially confused. One minute you're arguing that Toonami suffered due to a drop in ratings, claiming that lots of people tuned in to the final broadcast of the block::v:



Both, people tuned in, but how many had nielsen boxes? And how many had plans they couldn't or wouldn't drop? Lots of people weren't willing to drop everything on a night most people go out to watch a bunch of reruns.



And then, you're arguing that people didn't tune in to last showing of Toonami as if they didn't know anything about it? Does not compute. Exactly what point are you trying to make here? It almost seems as if you're now merely debating for the sake of debating. If I'm wrong about this, please point it out.

I'm saying more than normal people tuned in, but really, how many people have those nielsen boxes and are in the demographic measured?



And then there's the fact that CN never advertised toonami and actually stopped them from explaning the TOM3-4 transition due to lack if intrest.

[.bg]

Actually, Toonami on Boomerang sounds like a reasonable idea.

Boomeraction could be replaced by it, and maybe the Toonami block could start off each night with classic shows and end with modern ones.

[Old School Toon]

Nobody knew that Toonami was going to end that night. All that was leaked was a message that said "Tune in tonight", and it was only a few hours prior. Nobody knew Toonami was going to end up until the block was over, not even those who read the leaked info.

So then yes, Toonami's last night made the Top Ten, but there's absolutely nothing to confirm the fact that it was because people knew it was ending. CN never advertised the ending of the block therefore the general audience (you know, those who bring in the ratings) had no idea the block was going to end.

As DarthGonzo, it can be attributed to coincidence.

Well don't forget alot of people were thinking Toonami was going to have some sort of big announcemnt, like not sucking aymore. But the main reason Toonami had been doing so bad was CN own's fault but it was basicly shown that the execs at the company didn't care about the block anymore anyways. Toonami wasn't getting any new shows people cared about and was aired on Saturdays with like what a 2 hour slot? If CN had kept Toonami as a priortiy as it did up until about 2006 then Toonami probably still would have been here.

Also another thing is the Neilsen situation isn't very good in the 1st place. For all we know 15 million people watch 1 very good show but only 1 million with those boxes watch it and it may end up getting canceled. Also one testemant to Toonami's huge success was don't forget when it was in it's prime and the DBZ promos were being shown and it was announced that DBZ got 50 million viewers, but for all we know it may have gotten 100 million in all actuality.

[DarthGonzo]

It's possible to come up with a million and one excuses as to why Toonami is no longer around. But at the end of the day the situation is just that: Toonami is no longer around.

I really can't picture Toonami showing up on Boomerang. Not when - as others said - the station has it's own action block. Why would Boomerang want a recently canceled programming block that was becoming a ratings disaster on it's parent network in the first place? Whose to say that the name "Toonami" hasn't become synonymous with "stale" around the heads at CN and Boomerang. Why would they want to re-name an action block on Boomerang and give it the name of something that was flopping in the ratings for quite a while on a network that actually has veiwers?

[Red]

I think it should be understood if Boomerang were to a block like this that you wouldn't get the "old charm" of Toonami. Unless they were to recycle all old footage, I would just expect a 2D Card saying "You're watching Toonami. Only on Boomerang".

But I wouldn't mind seeing an action block like that again, but as much as I would love seeing some of the Dragonball Z's again on a network, part of me doesn't want it to be Boomerang. Just doesn't feel like it belongs with the charm of the network, but then again, there has been worse.

[Ace Goodheart]

Boomerang, in the 8+ years it's been on the air, hasn't seen a SINGLE overhaul since day one. It's still running the same bumpers and still has the same look it's had since April of 2000. Not to mention, that after 8+ years it's still nowhere near in as much people's homes as Cartoon Network has come to be (I understand that some people were just receiving CN into the late '90's and early '00's, way past the 1992 launch) and is crippled by its exclusive "high cable/satellite tier" nature and the fact that it's not ad-supported. The higher-ups behind the channel have little to no incentive and/or budget to improve the channel after all of this time; all oc the action programming that airs on the channel's late-night Boomeraction block (which is a far cry from pre-2005 Boomeraction which aired ALL DAY every Sunday) is stuff already owned by Turner and WB, and stuff which has already been re-run to death on CN back before Toonami and it's OUTSIDE acquisitions changed the face of action programming on the network forever. By the way, the shows I'm talking about are the various '60's-'80's H-B series (especially Jonny Quest) and......"SWAT Kats".


Toonami on Boomerang........the name brand's been damaged beyond repair, and Boomerang is a dead-end network with a very limited budget. Bad idea.

[Jayngfet]

Except that CN has their fair share of great original action that they could play. Again, they still own every show from the original lineup, all of which are at this point considered "classic".

[DarthGonzo]

Except that CN has their fair share of great original action that they could play. Again, they still own every show from the original lineup, all of which are at this point considered "classic".

That's great and all but it doesn't change the fact that Ace Goodheart is right with what he says. Even if Boomerang did start a Toonami block it'd really just be a "Toonami in name only" sort of thing since it wouldn't have most of the shows people are expecting and it definitely wouldn't have anything like custom made bumpers.

[Blackstar]

Except that CN has their fair share of great original action that they could play. Again, they still own every show from the original lineup, all of which are at this point considered "classic".

If Boomerang ever wanted to air the shows from Toonami's original lineup, they could just air them. They wouldn't need the Toonami name or the Toonami wraparounds to do so. Anyone who thinks that Toonami on Boomerang would mean a bunch of new anime acquisitions is just kidding themselves. That wouldn't happen. A Toonami on Boomerang wouldn't be a true Toonami; it would just be Boomeraction with a different name. Toonami stayed on a couple of years after it died, or at least after CN ceased to care about it, so what would be Boomerang's incentive to resurrect a program block that was tanking on it's sister channel?

[Silverstar]

Except that CN has their fair share of great original action that they could play. Again, they still own every show from the original lineup, all of which are at this point considered "classic".

The thing is, it wasn't the original lineup that put Toonami on the map, it was the hardcore anime shows and the wraparounds with TOM and company which came later. The bulk of those shows are no longer CN property and the bumps would stand out like a sore thumb on Boomerang and more than likely wouldn't be used, especially since as previously stated, Boom already has an action block of their own. Most likely the shows on that lineup would just be plonked onto Boomeraction.

As others have said, a Toonami on Boom would just be Toonami in name only; it would be about as "true" a Toonami as that Kids' WB version back in 2000. Like Ace said, dropping a tarnished block name onto a dead-end retro network with a limited amount of viewers and even more limited finances would not be a good idea.

[Raidon Makoto]

Toonami on Boomerang........the name brand's been damaged beyond repair, and Boomerang is a dead-end network with a very limited budget. Bad idea.
What if the whole network was rebranded into a Toonami Network in order to save Boomerang? If a bit of time was put into it, it be beneficial to both the Toonami fans, and the execs looking for more money. Then it could be a true Toonami.

Alas, if I were a CN Executive...

[.bg]

That's a terrible idea. Remember what happened to Toonami UK?

[Racattack!Force]

What if the whole network was rebranded into a Toonami Network in order to save Boomerang? If a bit of time was put into it, it be beneficial to both the Toonami fans, and the execs looking for more money. Then it could be a true Toonami.

Alas, if I were a CN Executive...And then classic cartoon fans would be pissed. :sweat:

[Old School Toon]

As it's been pointed out, it's not like Toonami doesn't still have a large fanbase. The final episode which wasn't known to be the final episode until that night drew huge numbers mainly because people were expecting something big not a cancellation. CN is the reason Toonami failed because they stopped getting shows people would wnat to see then turned it into a aaction block instead of a majority anime block which was when it was getting it's numbers then replaced it with crappy Maguzi. Then when Maguzi failed they put Toonami back on but still with little changes to the show.

Then they put it on Saturdays with very little to no promo and still weren't getting shows people cared about. Toonami Jetstream was a success for a reason. If CN had continued to keep Toonami as a majority anime block and did promotion for the show and got shows people cared about ,it probably still would have been doing great. DBZ didn't end on Toonami until 2005 and it was still brnging in big numbers as a weekday block. Toonami failed becuase the newer execs at CN didn't want Toonami to be a priortiy anymore and wanted to follwo trends like Disney and Nick were doing and in return that's why we got the drastic changes to CN as a whole and just not Toonami.

I think Toonami on Boomerang could work if Boomerang treated it like CN did from 1999-2005. As said numerous times before those Neilsen boxes don't really represent how many fans a show has since those boxes are only at limited households compared to how many people actually watch certain shows or channels.

[chdr]

Comments in bold.

As it's been pointed out, it's not like Toonami doesn't still have a large fanbase. The final episode which wasn't known to be the final episode until that night drew huge numbers mainly because people were expecting something big not a cancellation. CN is the reason Toonami failed because they stopped getting shows people would wnat to see then turned it into a aaction block instead of a majority anime block which was when it was getting it's numbers then replaced it with crappy Maguzi. Toonami was never intended to be an anime block. And Miguzi was created because Toonami phailed hard at trying to get girls to watch.Then when Maguzi failed they put Toonami back on but still with little changes to the show. What? Toonami always existed during Miguzi's time on CN, and even then, the block was mostly anime.

Then they put it on Saturdays with very little to no promo and still weren't getting shows people cared about. Toonami Saturdays had a lot of promotion and had high-profile shows that had sizable fanbases.Toonami Jetstream was a success for a reason. If CN had continued to keep Toonami as a majority anime block and did promotion for the show and got shows people cared about ,it probably still would have been doing great. Again, Toonami was never - I repeat - never an anime block. It has had a mix of Eastern and Western programming since day one (there was only one anime on Toonami's very first lineup) And Toonami got lots of promotion until the 10th anniversary.DBZ didn't end on Toonami until 2005 and it was still brnging in big numbers as a weekday block. Toonami failed becuase the newer execs at CN didn't want Toonami to be a priortiy anymore and wanted to follwo trends like Disney and Nick were doing and in return that's why we got the drastic changes to CN as a whole and just not Toonami. Well, not anymore.

I think Toonami on Boomerang could work if Boomerang treated it like CN did from 1999-2005. As said numerous times before those Neilsen boxes don't really represent how many fans a show has since those boxes are only at limited households compared to how many people actually watch certain shows or channels. Boomerang isn't ad-supported, Neilsen ratings don't matter. It's not like Boomerang has the budget for Toonami, anyways.

[Old School Toon]

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As it's been pointed out, it's not like Toonami doesn't still have a large fanbase. The final episode which wasn't known to be the final episode until that night drew huge numbers mainly because people were expecting something big not a cancellation. CN is the reason Toonami failed because they stopped getting shows people would wnat to see then turned it into a aaction block instead of a majority anime block which was when it was getting it's numbers then replaced it with crappy Maguzi. Toonami was never intended to be an anime block. And Miguzi was created because Toonami phailed hard at trying to get girls to watch.Then when Maguzi failed they put Toonami back on but still with little changes to the show. What? Toonami always existed during Miguzi's time on CN, and even then, the block was mostly anime.

Then they put it on Saturdays with very little to no promo and still weren't getting shows people cared about. Toonami Saturdays had a lot of promotion and had high-profile shows that had sizable fanbases.Toonami Jetstream was a success for a reason. If CN had continued to keep Toonami as a majority anime block and did promotion for the show and got shows people cared about ,it probably still would have been doing great. Again, Toonami was never - I repeat - never an anime block. It has had a mix of Eastern and Western programming since day one (there was only one anime on Toonami's very first lineup) And Toonami got lots of promotion until the 10th anniversary.DBZ didn't end on Toonami until 2005 and it was still brnging in big numbers as a weekday block. Toonami failed becuase the newer execs at CN didn't want Toonami to be a priortiy anymore and wanted to follwo trends like Disney and Nick were doing and in return that's why we got the drastic changes to CN as a whole and just not Toonami. Well, not anymore.

I think Toonami on Boomerang could work if Boomerang treated it like CN did from 1999-2005. As said numerous times before those Neilsen boxes don't really represent how many fans a show has since those boxes are only at limited households compared to how many people actually watch certain shows or channels. Boomerang isn't ad-supported, Neilsen ratings don't matter. It's not like Boomerang has the budget for Toonami, anyways.

Dis you totaly skip where I said majority anime blcok? From the time DBZ really started taking off around 1999 Toonami's lineup was mostly anime until around 2006. Also the only shows on Toonami Saturdays' that had high fanbases was Naruto and Ben 10.

[Racattack!Force]

Dis you totaly skip where I said majority anime blcok? From the time DBZ really started taking off around 1999 Toonami's lineup was mostly anime until around 2006. Also the only shows on Toonami Saturdays' that had high fanbases was Naruto and Ben 10.At times, yes, Toonami was a majority anime block. But it was ALWAYS intended to be just an action block. And they are pretty of shows on Saturday Toonami that had high fanbases (Naruto, DBZ, Ben 10:AF, One Piece, etc.). :shrug:

[chdr]

Dis you totaly skip where I said majority anime blcok? From the time DBZ really started taking off around 1999 Toonami's lineup was mostly anime until around 2006. Also the only shows on Toonami Saturdays' that had high fanbases was Naruto and Ben 10.

It had a lot of anime, but that doesn't mean that it was an anime block. That's like saying that a clothing store that mostly sells jeans is a jean store.
And off the top of my head...

- Naruto
- One Piece
- Pokemon
- Teen Titans
- Bobobo

[Blackstar]

What if the whole network was rebranded into a Toonami Network in order to save Boomerang? If a bit of time was put into it, it be beneficial to both the Toonami fans, and the execs looking for more money. Then it could be a true Toonami.

But then, where would the fans of classic cartoons go to get their fix? That wouldn't solve anything. And why would CN change Boomerang into a 24 hour Toonami channel when the Toonami of late was a failure?

Boomerang doesn't need a format change; it needs a more extensive library of classic cartoons.

[Old School Toon]

It had a lot of anime, but that doesn't mean that it was an anime block. That's like saying that a clothing store that mostly sells jeans is a jean store.
And off the top of my head...

- Naruto
- One Piece
- Pokemon
- Teen Titans
- Bobobo

I did not say for the last time it was strictly an anime block. From the time it started getting a high ammount of viewers to it's peak it was mostly anime. DBZ, DB, Sailor Moon, Gundam Wing, Yu Yu Hakusho, Outlaw Star, Tenchi Muyo, Tenchi in Tokyo, that other Tenchi show, Blue Sub 6, and those are just off the top of my head. Toonami had much more anime then American action cartoons. The only US shows I can think of off the top of my head is JL, JLU, Ben 10 and Ben Ten: AF.

Regardless the argument Toonami saw it's highest numbers when it showed more anime then anything and that's when CN still promoted it good. When Toonami stopped getting shows people cared about and CN stopped promoting it as much thats when the numbers started dying. Naruto was the biggest aquisation Toonami got since 2005.

[Silverstar]

The only US shows (which Toonami carried) I can think of off the top of my head is JL, JLU, Ben 10 and Ben Ten: AF.

There was also The Real Adventures of Johnny Quest, Reboot, Thundercats, He-Man, Megas XLR, Jackie Chan Adventures, Teen Titans, Superman: TAS, Batman: TAS, Batman Beyond, Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes, Beast Wars, G.I Joe, The Powerpuff Girls, Storm Hawks, Transformers Animated, The Batman and Samurai Jack.

[Jave]

I think this discussion has gone on for quite a while and it's pointless to keep it alive. Nobody is going to concede or change anyone else's mind and I can see this getting heated pretty soon.

Besides, this board is neither Toonami nor Boomerang centered.

Closed.