"Mobile Suit Gundam 00" on Sci Fi's Ani-Monday Series Talkback (Spoilers)

[bigddan11]

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It's the year 2307 A. D. Fossil fuels are now extinct, and mankind has shifted its focus to solar power. Only the three big nations- the Union of Solar Energy and Free Nations (formerly the USA), the Human Reform League (Russia, China, and India), and the Advanced European Union have access to this free solar power, and they are making other nations either die so they can take control of them or making them enter into alliances. Needless to say there's a lot of resentment, and war continues to reign supreme. One group is determined to stop it all though. They are the mysterious organization known as Celestial Being, and with their advanced robotics known as Gundams on their side, they are about to change the world upside down. This is the official talkback for the entire Mobile Suit Gundam 00, debuting tonight on Sci Fi's Ani-Monday line-up.

The action starts at 11 PM ET with the first two episodes:
1) "Celestial Being"
2) "Gundam Meister"

[Juu-kuchi]

Kyaaa, looking forward to this. Hopefully the trepidation some of us felt when we first saw the trailers and cast list is unfounded.

[garfield15]

It's funny how the main character isn't in the banner you put up there

(He's so short he couldn't fit in the page)

[macattack]

Hehe. I so can't wait for this. The Ocean Group, judging by their recent dubs, has finally broken away from sounding generic or like 80's throwbacks, and I hope their latest Gundam dub continues that trend.

I will say that I'd preferred LA VAs for this one, though. I really wish Jason Spisak was the voice of Setsuna, not Brad Swaile.

If Marina has a crappy voice it's clobberin' time, to quote a certain character once voiced by Paul Dobson.

[GWOtaku]

Ah, didn't think it'd be posted as early as this. Looking good.

I'd like to point people to the official site (http://gundam00.bandai-ent.com/), which has trailers and cast announcements along with other info.

Also, turn on Sci-Fi channel a bit early. The opening scene is not to be missed.

Really looking forward to seeing how the dub works out. Also hoping it'll be enabled for HD...

[ShadowGUN]

It going to be weird watching a Gundam series on another network. Especially without a Cullen promo. Anyway I keep hearing good things about this series. Let hope it lives up to hype.



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By the way the character on right with the glasses that a guy, right :sweat: ?

[Vallen Valiant]

By the way the character on right with the glasses that a guy, right :sweat: ?
Voice-actor is a guy, and Tieria is officially a guy according to Sunrise.
But who knows?:evil:

[GWOtaku]

By the way the character on right with the glasses that a guy, right :sweat: ?

As you can see here (http://gundam00.bandai-ent.com/tieria.php) his origins are unknown (classified?), though he is referred to as a he. "Androgynously handsome"...heh.

[HellCat]

It'll be interesting to see how this does. The plot sounds interesting, especially the idea of setting it in the future of our own timeline.

[macattack]

It'll be interesting to see how this does. The plot sounds interesting, especially the idea of setting it in the future of our own timeline.

Are you the HellCat before Gundam 00's Japanese premiere who warped here from that time or something? :p

[Classic Speedy]

Unfortunately it doesn't look like there's any free episode 1 preview online like there was with Gurren Lagann, or did I miss it?

[GWOtaku]

I don't think so, at least not yet. I certainly don't see it on the 00 website or on Bandai's main website. It'll also be interesting to see if they'll put episodes on iTunes like they have with other shows that have aired on Sci-Fi.

[NewcomerDC]

FINALLY! After a week break after the grand Gurrne Lagann finale, Ani-Monday is back and it's about to kick the end of the year off with a BANG!

[Funkatron]

Like others have said, can't wait to see how this dub plays out.

[Demonic Raven]

The trailers didn't exactly give me high hopes for the dub, but maybe I'll be surprised. I'm still excited to see it all from the start again, in a new light.

[Rolling Cloud]

Nervous as heck right now, but still can't wait.

(Hmm.. wonder if I should make popcorn or not? >_>)

[purplehairedwonder]

Yay, I'm excited for this. The trailer didn't exactly instill a lot of confidence in the dub, but I'm cautiously optimistic. I don't want to be hearing nothing but Light whenever Setsuna speaks, but worse things could happen I suppose.

*crosses fingers*

Oh, and Richard Cox, don't let me down!

[XOMiss_Samantha]

Who's extremely extremely excited for this? I AM I AM! Nothing is better than Gundam 00 twice a week, two days in a row! (that's if you're also currently watching season 2).
Bring on my Setsuna! *whistles*
So although the dub might not have sounded amazing in the trailers, I know already that I've fallen in love with Lockon's voice.

[Ishtar]

I'll admit, I haven't see the sub, but I might check this series out tonight, to see what all the hype's about. I've watched Gundam shows on Toonami in the past, so seeing one on regular TV again in the US seems pretty neat. I'm also familiar with quite a few of the VAs, especially Brad Swaile. I hope he does a good job.

[Raidon Makoto]

It going to be weird watching a Gundam series on another network. Especially without a Cullen promo.
I feel the same way. :( SciFi should get Cullen to do their promos, now that he's out of work. "Only Ani-Mondays, on SciFi."

I will say that I'd preferred LA VAs for this one, though. I really wish Jason Spisak was the voice of Setsuna, not Brad Swaile.
Brad Swaile is Setsuna? He's going to sound exactly like Light... We'll see if that's a bad thing tonight, lol.

[ShadowGUN]

I feel the same way. :( SciFi should get Cullen to do their promos, now that he's out of work. "Only Ani-Mondays, on SciFi."

Actually he still works at CN. He does promos for Ben 10 AF and just while a go I heard him on a World of Warcraft commercial.

[soundmonkey44]

can't wait for the premire...this sounds good!:D

[GWOtaku]

Brad Swaile is Setsuna? He's going to sound exactly like Light... We'll see if that's a bad thing tonight, lol.

Not necessarily, as his Death Note role was actually a major breakout from his old Gundam roles (among others). Not much is heard in the trailer, but Setsuna's voice sounds pretty unique to me compared to what he's done before.

[Raidon Makoto]

Actually he still works at CN. He does promos for Ben 10 AF and just while a go I heard him on a World of Warcraft commercial.
He does one of those once in a blue moon. And WoW isn't connected to CN, anyways. It was just a joke anyways, but it would be awesome if SciFi picked up Cullen.

Not necessarily, as his Death Note role was actually a major breakout from his old Gundam roles (among others). Not much is heard in the trailer, but Setsuna's voice sounds pretty unique to me compared to what he's done before.
From what I've seen of Brad Swaile, all his voices sound the same. :P

[garfield15]

From what I've seen of Brad Swaile, all his voices sound the same. :P

Brad Swaille was the voice of Quatre in Gundam Wing. Did that sound like Light to you?


It'll be interesting to see how this does. The plot sounds interesting, especially the idea of setting it in the future of our own timeline.

Oh shoot it's Bizarro-HellCat who went through a TIME PARADOX!!!!

[Taekmkm]

Brad Swaille was the voice of Quatre in Gundam Wing. Did that sound like Light to you?


It sounded like Amuro...who sounds like Setsuna. Maybe that's his Gundam voice?

[GWOtaku]

I really don't think they're that similar, but seeing the episode tonight will make it MUCH easier to tell.

[Raidon Makoto]

Brad Swaille was the voice of Quatre in Gundam Wing. Did that sound like Light to you?

It did, actually. I was watching the first episode of Wing, and I heard it offscreen and I was like "WTF, Light?"

Never mind... I was thinking of someone else. I haven't seen much of Gundam Wing. I apologize.

[garfield15]

It did, actually. I was watching the first episode of Wing, and I heard it offscreen and I was like "WTF, Light?"

Never mind... I was thinking of someone else. I haven't seen much of Gundam Wing. I apologize.

You were probably thinking of Dearka from SEED. He really sounded like the same person there. (He was Auel in Destiny too.)

[Raidon Makoto]

You were probably thinking of Dearka from SEED. He really sounded like the same person there. (He was Auel in Destiny too.)
I was thinking of the guy from Zech's ship from Episode 1 of Gundam Wing.

My Wing boxset needs to come sooner. >_>

[D Dubbs]

Huh...too bad this conflicts with Monday Night Football, otherwise I would watch it. Sci-Fi should've picked a better night for a late-night anime block.

[GWOtaku]

Huh...too bad this conflicts with Monday Night Football, otherwise I would watch it. Sci-Fi should've picked a better night for a late-night anime block.

I suggest recording 00, then. It's really worth getting into.

[HellCat]

I was thinking of the guy from Zech's ship from Episode 1 of Gundam Wing.

My Wing boxset needs to come sooner. >_>

"That's quite the bold statement, sir"

[D Dubbs]

I suggest recording 00, then. It's really worth getting into.

Well, I don't have a DVR, but I'll probably try the DVDs if the general response in this thread is positive.

[macattack]

Well, I don't have a DVR, but I'll probably try the DVDs if the general response in this thread is positive.

Then use a tape via VCR. Seriously, this show should not be missed.

[XOMiss_Samantha]

Well, I don't have a DVR, but I'll probably try the DVDs if the general response in this thread is positive.

Missing Gundam 00 is like throwing yourself from an airplane without a parachute.
Not. A. Good. Thing

[Gatomon41]

At last, the wait is soon over! I can't wait for the series to start! :anime:

Darn it! Lost is still playing. Only an hour and ten minutes to go.

[D Dubbs]

Then use a tape via VCR. Seriously, this show should not be missed.


Missing Gundam 00 is like throwing yourself from an airplane without a parachute.
Not. A. Good. Thing

Wow, such strong reactions. :sweat: I doubt I could get the TV away from my roommate even if I wanted to, but I guess I'll try and watch the show through other sources tomorrow.

[JTurner954]

I saw the trailer at SDCC and it looked pretty good. I've only liked one Gundam series (0083) but with this being Bandai's next choice after the excellent Gurren Lagann, I'm very excited to see if it can deliver.

One hour of Gundam ... when's the last time Cartoon Network did that?

[Gatomon41]

One hour of Gundam ... when's the last time Cartoon Network did that?
When it was good? :p

[Sanosuke]

Well, I've never put forth time to watch a Gundam series seriously....that changes in 26 minutes, though.

[Rolling Cloud]

In 6 minutes will be the moment of truth....

Will it suck or will it shine?

[GWOtaku]

Actual description from tvguide.com for tonight:


Mobile Suit Gundam
"The Earth Federation and its space colonies engage in apocalyptic battle against the rebellious principality of Seon." ...

In the words of Lex Luthor from Superman Returns....

WRONG!!!

[Katsumara]

Mine says..


The Earth Federation and its space colonies engage in apocalyptic battle.

Rofl.

[Novapocalypse]

FINALLY!

I'm set. Buttered popcorn, snickers, and Pepsi. See you all at commercial.

[garfield15]

What the...

How...what...how did they...Did they just like read the completely wrong series premise?

(And for christ's sakes, it's Zeon)

[Animeforever'04]

Seeing the manga logo made go O_o

[LordTerminal]

Well when Scott McNeil's the VA to get the first line in the series, it better damn well be good.

[MarineCorps]

Is that Ali's voice at the start?

[Gatomon41]

It begins NOW!

Well, I see Old Haro is getting more jobs.

WTF, is that a Mammoth Mk. II? A Wolverine? What the heck is GDI doing in the Middle East?

Hey, its Kurdish Quatre! And it looks like he's fighting for Nod!

Pff, silly Quatre, Thomas Aquinas says otherwise...

[Vyse]

Another animated series that can be shown in HD, sadly, is not shown in HD.

Wow. The first scenes give us blasphemy.

[Ishtar]

Hearing Brad Swaile as Setsuna mentioning "God" so much reminds me too much of his performance as Light.

[FireStarterLE]

hearing Brad Swalie say "there is no god" is quite humorous considering the "self proclaimed god" character he plays in Death Note

*AEUG must have dropped the "G" and became just the "AEU"

[Katsumara]

Lol Patrick, and here come the 4,304 commercials.

[Gatomon41]

Another animated series that can be shown in HD, sadly, is not shown in HD.

Wow. The first scenes give us blasphemy.

Actually, I think its apostasy.

Hey, its Azreal! Wait, its Duo! He cut his hair :eek:

[RockmanDash]

Oh no he did not just insult that guy's mobile suit!

[MarineCorps]

It's the Enact!

Hay Graham doesn't sound like a teenager

Billy sounds a little to arrogant.

Patrick doesn't sounds so bad either.

[garfield15]

Oh no he did not just insult that guy's mobile suit! :eek:

Oh it's on now! :D

[Katsumara]

I think it gives the wrong description on guides because it's labeled "Mobile Suit Gundam" and not 00.

[Wounded_Dragon]

Another animated series that can be shown in HD, sadly, is not shown in HD.

Wow. The first scenes give us blasphemy.

Are you sure? The description in my online guide mentions HD, though since I don't get SCIFI HD it doesnt' matter for me.

[MarineCorps]

Patrick sounds like an Idiot :anime:

[Vyse]

On the DirecTV guide, it's listed as "Mobile Suit Gundam 00". And, Sci-Fi's "NOW/NEXT" crawl just calls it Gundam.

No, dude, you are going to pay the price.

[RockmanDash]

"Because I'm just that special!"

....Did he really just say that?

[GWOtaku]

Graham and Patrick are surprisingly decent so far, as is Setsuna.

And...bye bye Enact.


"Because I'm just that special!"

....Did he really just say that?

Patrick is...not humble.

[Gatomon41]

Man, Quatre is going Heero on us.

Duo, man he keeps on poping up everywhere.

Patrick is channeling Domon here... and the Black knight...

Patrick, he is "Special". :p

They have now learn a new word for fear.

Lacus?

[Anyone00]

Now when he says "special"...

[Bloody Marquis]

Well, it's interesting hearing a mellow Inuyasha.

[Ishtar]

Animonday needs to place their commercials better...

[RockmanDash]

Well, it's interesting hearing a mellow Inuyasha.

So that's why that voice sounded familiar! >_> I was thinking of Bleach for some reason.

[GWOtaku]

"You know, some people think real men don't blush!"

Wow...dub Wang Liu Mi is an even bigger jerk there. Her voice was perfect, and so was Alleujah's. Hong Long (Wang's escort) sounds incredibly badass.

[Demonic Raven]

All the voices are damn good so far.....cept Allelujah. It's just the typical Cox gruffness that drags it down.

[Gatomon41]

All the voices are damn good so far.....cept Allelujah. It's just the typical Cox gruffness that drags it down.

I wonder if the Voice Director told Cox: "Alright, he's Inuyasha, but on PROZAIC!"

[GWOtaku]

It may be typical Cox, but it fits the character I think. Japanese Al is pretty subdued and serious, and that seems to persist in the dub.

[MarineCorps]

Lockon sounds good. Even a hint of an Irish accent

[Gatomon41]

Wow, HARO isn't annoying!

Man, this show is having a ton of "Hey, its that Voice" moments!

Commander: "Those look like Mobile Suits"
Soldier: "It's a GUNDA- oh wait."

[MarineCorps]

More Gruff is needed in the Lt Cols voice

[GWOtaku]

Wang just exudes arrogance. Perhaps the best performance of the episode so far.

[kaine23]

Boobs everywhere.

[Vyse]

Wounded_Dragon, here is physical evidence:
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/tetrisdork/DSCN2716.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/tetrisdork/DSCN2717.jpg

And, this ad was in HD. Someone at Sci-Fi, Manga/Starz, Bandai, or Sunrise/MBS dropped the ball when only things in the first HD Gundam shown in HD during the American broadcast, are the ads.
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/tetrisdork/DSCN2718.jpg

I just hope that the legal downloads can be in HD; they won't, but I hope against reality.

[J'onn J'onzz]

"It's a Gundam..."

Man, I've missed Gundam shows... I'm really glad this is airing.

[Rolling Cloud]

Man, the voices they picked are awesome!

[JTurner954]

We go from Gundam Chun Li to Gundam Cheerios ....

Seriously, this show is okay so far. I loved seeing the Sunrise logo at the beginning though (make more Big O).

[Gatomon41]

Newscaster Fllay?

"I AM HARI SELDON!"

[J'onn J'onzz]

Yeah, the voices sound good to me, too. Though, I never watched the show in Japanese.

[Beat]

Boobs everywhere.

Why Kim Kim didn't air it.

"Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back." We missed you Gundam. And way to start by pwning mecha from Command and Conquer. Do they destroy an Atlas next time?

[Vyse]

Pacifism through armed intervention. Eliminate war by causing more war.

I just love Celestial Being's messed up logic.

Also, sped-up tiny credits. And, I loved the first ender. :(

[Gatomon41]

Why Kim Kim didn't air it.

"Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back." We missed you Gundam. And way to start by pwning mecha from Command and Conquer. Do they destroy an Atlas next time?

I thought Celesital Being's leader looked familiar! KANE LIVES!

[GWOtaku]

Wow...Tieria's "the world is being tested" line sold me on his voice. Really good.

Marina Ismail sounds divine.

[Kitschensyngk]

All the oil in the world is gone and yet people still fight over energy supply.

Jeez, can't we all just get along?

[Anyone00]

I thought Celesital Being's leader looked familiar! KANE LIVES!

Hey, it's the technology of peace. Peace through power.

[Katsumara]

Wow...Tieria's "the world is being tested" line sold me on his voice. Really good.

Marina Ismail sounds divine.
Agreed.

[kaine23]

Jeez, can't we all just get along?
If people got along, there wouldn't be a need for Gundams. :P

[Gatomon41]

"They're still showing that video?"
Darn it YouTube!


Hey, it's the technology of peace. Peace through power.
I just find it odd that Kane is more mellow than unusual. Maybe growing that beard has something to do it.

WTF, Hillary Clinton?

Hey, it's Endless Waltz President!

[FireStarterLE]

24 century and our economy finally stabilizes ....

it's going to be a long 300 years :sad:

:)

[J'onn J'onzz]

Did I just hear Lacus Clyne's VA, or am I halucinating?

[GWOtaku]

Did I just hear Lacus Cline's VA, or am I halucinating?

You're not, Chantal Strand was cast as crew member Feldt Grace. Fortunately, she seems to have improved since Seed.

[J'onn J'onzz]

I'm really liking this. Looking forward to watching it in the upcoming weeks. Hmm... should I bother with Descendants of Darkness after this?

...And now we go to commercials for unfitting shows like Chase. Why does SciFi air such out of place shows?

[Anyone00]

I just find it odd that Kane is more mellow than unusual. Maybe growing that beard has something to do it.

No it's the monocle: because wizards wear monocles and you can be more mellow when you have magic powers.

If you think these reference gags are bad now people wait until the Warhammer 40k and 'Do Not Taunt' ones start.

[Ishtar]

The 2nd episode is already almost over? This is going fast. Too bad, cause this seems like a fun series so far, and this is only the beginning.

[Bloody Marquis]

I'm really liking this. Looking forward to watching it in the upcoming weeks. Hmm... should I bother with Descendants of Darkness after this?

...And now we go to commercials for unfitting shows like Chase. Why does SciFi air such out of place shows?
Unless you're into shonen-ai or you like to watch shows for the "So bad, it's good" value, then you might want to pass Descendants.

[Gatomon41]

GDI is attacking!

"Suks to be you!" Mr. Orange is totally Awesome!

[macattack]

*bows to Paula Lindberg* Thank you for not screwing up Marina.

[LordTerminal]

Haro: "Sucks to be you. Sucks to be you."

That line speaks for itself. :D

[GWOtaku]

"I am Gundam." Yessss.

Did Haro just taunt Lockon? "Sucks to be you! Sucks to be you!" Heh...

This battle is SO one-sided.

[Ishtar]

Setsuna: "I am Gundam!"

Ha, when I talked to Brad Swaile at NYAF, and asked if he had any good lines for this show, he said "Oh yes, I am Gundam! I am Justice, I am Gundam! Kinda the same."

[creativerealms]

I'm really liking this. Looking forward to watching it in the upcoming weeks. Hmm... should I bother with Descendants of Darkness after this?

...And now we go to commercials for unfitting shows like Chase. Why does SciFi air such out of place shows?

Well I give then credit for trying to give these reality shows a "Sci-fi" theme. Even then stuff like Chase does not belong.

[J'onn J'onzz]

At first, I thought Swaile was sounding too much like Light, but he's actually doing a pretty good job in this.

[Katsumara]

Haro: "Sucks to be you! Sucks to be you!" "Wipeouuut. Wipeouuut."

Favorite VA of the series. Easily.

[Gatomon41]

"So I've become a mass murderer?"

Dude, Inuyasha, you're not committing murder. Mu had it right. You're soldiers. If you begin targeting unarmed, innocent targets, then you become a murderer.

Why can't any Gundam pilot ever get the difference difference betweening Slaying and Murder. :mad:

[kaine23]

I'm really liking this. Looking forward to watching it in the upcoming weeks. Hmm... should I bother with Descendants of Darkness after this?

...And now we go to commercials for unfitting shows like Chase. Why does SciFi air such out of place shows?
Mmm...toasty.

[Novapocalypse]

ROFL

"Sucks to be you! Sucks to be you!"

I love this already.:p

[FireStarterLE]

lol, first they have "Manga" at the beginning of the episode and now I just saw at the bottom of the screen that gurren lagann is on now

[Gatomon41]

Hey, Mir's back! I guess she got a new reporting gig!

[Ishtar]

ROFL

"Sucks to be you! Sucks to be you!"

I love this already.:p
Well Haro is awesome.

[Vyse]

Okay. According to the net's extremely loose definition, James Bond is apparently "sci-fi". That's about as much sense as Cha$e.

Yes, scared general. Celestial Nod's logic and actions will bring an end to 300 years of conflict.

Next week: Light vs. Duo.

[Juu-kuchi]

Drat, this makes me wish that I actually had Sci-Fi here where I'm at. Looks like I'm missing quite a lot. XD

[Gatomon41]

It's been rather fun . I havn't been as statisfied by Gundam in a long, long time. Its truly pretty, the voices are great, and a wonderful plot.

Nice to know that the Ocean Group has finally began to lampshade itself. It's like they know how their VA's are typedcasted.

There's also a ton of expys and Cameos: Setsuna Quatre Kira Yuy. Kane Hari Seldon. Team Patrick Domon. Duo Graham. Teria Yolei. Feldt Lacus. Captian Murrue Peacecraft. Mr. Orange. Various Politcal Leaders such as the ESUN President, Lain's Dad, and Hillary Fllay. This is so going be fun to reference...

I especially like the original political landscape. Oceania, Eastasia, and Eurasia seem to be in a cold war. And whoever controls the Sun, CONTROLS THE UNIVERSE!

I really love the mecha designs. At least its not a rip-off of MS Gundam. And the fights are as fun and cool (if not better) as Wing. Sure, its one sided, but as Gundam has shown, that dosn't last.

Anyways, I, Chairperson Gatomon give these episodes my approval. 4 out of 5.

[Bloody Marquis]

Drat, this makes me wish that I actually had Sci-Fi here where I'm at. Looks like I'm missing quite a lot. XD
Yeah. But other than Doctor Who, BSG, a few repeats of some decent Sci-fi shows, and some anime, Sci-Fi isn't really good for much.

[Katsumara]

Not that bad. Only ones I found cringeworthy were some of Graham's lines and Saji's voice.

[Hyper Shadow X]

Seeing Patrick getting owned was fun to watch again as is the series itself.

[GWOtaku]

"So I've become a mass murderer?"

Dude, Inuyasha, you're not committing murder. Mu had it right. You're soldiers. If you begin targeting unarmed, innocent targets, then you become a murderer.

Why can't any Gundam pilot ever get the difference between Slaying and Murder. :mad:

You have a point there, but keep in mind that Kyrios was basically bombing targets that had no truly effective means of fighting back. I think your argument is valid, but it's also understandable why Alleujah would feel like a bully.

[Demonic Raven]

Well, this was good. The only voice I can honestly say I'm not sold on is Allelujah. Everyone else is solid.

It's a bit of a slow start, but things are bound to ramp up. I just wish they could have gone faster in certain spots, like with all of the Gundam launch sequences in episode 2 (took forever!).

I also noticed a couple of cuts, probably for time. In particular, we don't get to see Sumeragi drinking on the job.

[PickHut]

Not quite the explosive beginning I've seen compared to past Gundam first episodes, but it was still a nice watch. Too bad it started getting interesting towards the end of the second episode, now I have to wait a week to see the conclusion. And yeah, the "Sucks to be you!" line was great.

[XOMiss_Samantha]

I.AM.GUNDAM!!! <3 Setsuna. *points to avatar and smiles*
Ok, so they changed it to "I am A gundam"- as long as Setsuna keeps his catch phrase im golden. Speaking of which, Brad is pretty good voicing him. I'm actually content with it, which it odd because I didn't think I would be when hearing the trailer. Lockon also sounds brilliant, of course, although I don't know how I feel about Billyboy channeling Miroku so much XD. I think it'll grow on me eventually.... Graham was gundam-gasming again. hah. His voice is the only one I'm going to have major issues with. Al is alright =/ Kind of gritty though... Wang= bleh?
I'm so amused hearing this in English as opposed to Japanese- Tieria is such a hardass when he's the one walking around in a pink cardigan :anime: He also sounds good- nice, smooth, and tough.... but not too tough...a Tieria kind of tough...

OH, I NEED to mention how much I adore Patricks voice. It's like, the epitome of an idiot with an ego.
For the record, im still going to call Ribbonz, Libbonz. >_>

[Raidon Makoto]

Celestial Being's voices are rather quiet...

[Ryusuke]

For the record, im still going to call Ribbonz, Libbonz. >_>Which is weird, because I'm usually calling him Livonze.

Pretty solid start for the dub. Everyone's well casted for the most part. Y'know for a moment there, I thought Saji sounded like Spike Spencer. Yeah, I know it's not. But, you know what I mean.

[Gatomon41]

You have a point there, but keep in mind that Kyrios was basically bombing targets that had no truly effective means of fighting back. I think your argument is valid, but it's also understandable why Alleujah would feel like a bully.

I would have the same feeling. It just feels unfair to fire upon a relatively helpless group of soldiers. Its probably a remnant of chivalry, that its more honorable to fight a person on even ground.

At the same time, it would utterly foolish to fight the enemy on a level playing field, considering the technology and tactics. It might not feel right, but this is war, and to win wars one must do what must be done.

[Zeonic Freak]

<Inhales, then exhales>... Smell that, i smell Gundam back on TV. God, thats a great smell.

From what i saw (since i got off work early this evening), dub seems pretty good. Finally, something to watch on TV and look forward to, and to tape.

From what i saw at the beginning of the second ep, this is basicly, a redoing of Gundam Wing. They fight for their own beliefs, and old man tells them what to do, theres multiple nations, its all political. So yea, like Gundam Wing, again.

Ah, but i see no market off of this. No way to get MSG 00 models and MSiA in toys store, no way for me to spend my pay on Gundam toys in this country. I really... miss those days.

Well, my VCR is back in taping anime again. My old Sharp VCR and i have a long history of taping anime, good ones too. But, i really need to do DVDs, seems better, and takes up less space. Recording on DVD needs to be my next step.

But, its good to be back in the taping anime game again. Im outta retirement by god...

[kaine23]

Gundam Wing = Gundam 00
(Not just because of the same dub cast :p )

[animePWNS]

So Gundam finally returns to American TV. Love the story and characters for this one so far with a few callbacks to Gundam Wing in particular (a small group of Gundam pilots sent to Earth by a Dekim Barton lookalike, one of the pilots speaking in cold monotone). Brad's pretty good at emulating Heero Yuy. And it's nice to hear Scott McNeill again after his one-shot turn in Seed; and unlike that show, 00 gets into the action very early. And best of all, no sappy love songs (hopefully).

Yay, Haro!:anime:

[XOMiss_Samantha]

Nooooooo Sestuna is not Heero!!!! =[ Not that pale skinny ******bag kid ;_;
00 is more real and grounded than Wing ever was. They share similarities but are two very different shows. /refuses to compare them.

Who was the voice of the narrator? It sounded....strangely familiar....

[ShadowGUN]

Ah Gundam on TV. How I miss you.
Gotta say the first two episodes were pretty entertaining. Love the voices of the Gundam Meisters(even Allelujah). The Gundam themselves looks well design.So far I am getting a Gundam Wing vibe from this series and that a good thing. Can't wait till next week.

[GWOtaku]

Nooooooo Sestuna is not Heero!!!! =[


You do realize Setsuna is probably more skinny than Heero? ;) *ducks*



Who was the voice of the narrator? It sounded....strangely familiar....

Yeah, I was wondering that myself. He did a good job.

[purplehairedwonder]

This Allelujah fangirl officially approves of his voice. It's very different from the Japanese, but his subdued, serious tone is still present.

Actually, I really like all the Meisters' voices. For a few lines I was hearing Light, but then Setsuna started sounding more unique as the episode went on. Lockon sounds great and I'm definitely sold on Tieria. Awesome. It's good when the main characters sound good :P

Really, the only voices I didn't like were Graham and Saji. Saji definitely sounds a bit wussy but he's supposed to at this point. But, I'm just not quite there yet with it. And Graham... just no.

"Sucks to be you. Sucks to be you." Bahaha, Haro is awesome.

Ah, it's so refreshing to watch season 1 again. Love it, love it, love it. Sci-Fi fails for its commercial placement, though.

[GWOtaku]

Well, with the first two episodes now over, I have some firm opinions on the casting.

Setsuna: Cautiously optimistic. Swaile didn't really copy Light, and there wasn't even a hint of Amuro or Quatre. He can play the quiet, reserved aspect of the character well enough, though the real test is to come once the role starts to demand more beyond that.

Lockon: I thought relative newcomer Alex Zahara did a fine job. He managed to capture Lockon's positive personality.

Alleujah: Some have doubts about this one, but I thought it was spot-on. Al is quiet and serious in the show, and that seems to carry on here. So what if it's like a subdued Inu-Yasha? It works.

Tieria: Cautiously optimistic. Not necessarily perfect but he often came off as distant, which suits Tieria. Sam Vincent is clearly capable of excellent expression in the role, such as with the "the world is being tested" line. This casting could really pay off later.

Saji Crossroad: The jury is out. I had a good first impression, but I'd like to hear more.

Louise Halevy: Kelly Sheridan nailed it. She sounded completely natural. Well done.

Kinue Crossroad: No complaints. Anna Cummer comes off as sufficiently mature.

Sumeragi: I thought Lisa Ann Beley was damn near perfect. Her delivery was excellent when Sumeragi was reflecting on Celestial Being's plan, much like Sam Vincent as Tieria. I'm now pretty confident that this was the correct casting choice.

Wang Liu Mei: This was perfect. Youthful, confident, smug, arrogant. Maryke Hendrikse fits the role like a glove.

Marina Ismail: Also perfect. I know, I'm a fan of the character, but seriously. I hope Paula Lindberg's acting is always that great. I'm now over Kelly Sheridan not getting the role.

Alejandro Corner: Jury is out. I want to hear how Andrew Kavadas sounds next week.

Christina Sierra: Yet again, a very appropriate voice for the character. I'm almost sorry now that Shannon Chan-Kent doesn't have a bigger role.

Feldt Grace: It's...acceptable. For now, I'm just thankful that Chantal Strand isn't making her sound like a young, starry-eyed kid like she did with Lacus in Gundam Seed. It's probably at least in part a benefit of her growing up since then.

Sergei: Cautiously optimistic. Not quite the gruff voice I imagined, but what Michael Dobson does works. Good, not great, it will do.

Patrick: He was an annoying, brash, arrogant loudmouth. In other words, Trevor Devall did it right.

Graham: Cautiously optimistic. Overall, he sounded different and far better than he did in the trailer. People hoping for a "badass" voice may have been let down, I don't know. But Paul Dobson at least pulls off Graham's cunning intelligence, if not his aggressive zeal on the battlefield.

Billy: A little iffy at first, but then Kirby Morrow got good and stayed good by the time that Billy and Graham were carrying on long conversations. We'll see.

Second-stringers: All the random officers and politicians were actually...decent. I'm honestly surprised. In particular, whoever acted the Union President did it perfectly.

[Zeonic Freak]

Nooooooo Sestuna is not Heero!!!! =[ Not that pale skinny ******bag kid ;_;
00 is more real and grounded than Wing ever was. They share similarities but are two very different shows. /refuses to compare them.

Who was the voice of the narrator? It sounded....strangely familiar....

What?

How can you say 00 is "more real and grounded than wing ever was", when you watch it and cant help but to say "Wow, its just like Wing". Wing is a great series, theres alot that goes one than "one army fighting another army." If you really sit down and watch, there is alot that goes on. Wing is a well grounded series if you really watch it.

00 is just a redone version of Wing, kinda like how Seed is just a redone version of the original MSG. I mean watch the first 5 episodes of Seed and the original, there just about the same type of plot/story/intro to the series.

Now watching 00, i wanna rewatch Wing again. Gah, need to do that...

[HellCat]

It seems Wing-like now, but we're only into the first 2 episodes. I'm sure further on we might see it develop its own distinct style. Early thoughts are fine, but let's not make unshakeable bold statements just yet.

[macattack]

It seems Wing-like now, but we're only into the first 2 episodes. I'm sure further on we might see it develop its own distinct style. Early thoughts are fine, but let's not make unshakeable bold statements just yet.

It's Time Paradox HellCat again! :eek:

Dub review coming soon.

[HellCat]

I'm just saying two episodes is WAY too early for anyone to be declaring the flavour of the show or that it's a copy of anything. Maybe that'll turn out true, maybe it won't. But we're 2 episodes in to a 25 episode season (with a second 25 episode season currently airing in Japan I believe), so no one should act high and mighty with first impressions. Fans are too quick to judge.

[Zeonic Freak]

It seems Wing-like now, but we're only into the first 2 episodes. I'm sure further on we might see it develop its own distinct style. Early thoughts are fine, but let's not make unshakeable bold statements just yet.

Im not saying that if its like Wing, its a bad thing. Its just like Wing in many ways from the first 2 episodes.

Sure, that view could change on down the road (i know you seen it, but your not saying anything thats for sure), but i liked the first 2 episodes.

Yea, im not the Wing basher i used to be...

[Lord Dalek]

And... as typical with me... I completely forgot this was on last night. :sad:

[Beat]

It seems Wing-like now, but we're only into the first 2 episodes. I'm sure further on we might see it develop its own distinct style. Early thoughts are fine, but let's not make unshakeable bold statements just yet.

True. At least you get the feeling that these guys are part of a group, not the Power Rangers.

And hey, successful timeslot!

[Juu-kuchi]

*sigh* The fate all Gundams have to live by because of Gundam Wing to the the point that any set of Gundams with a distinctive style and within one certain team will elicit a knee-jerk reaction that it's like Wing somewhat in the first few episodes. My suggestion as always to give it time and let the series pleasantly surprise you, which it already is doing right off the bat and quite well in my humble opinion. But first off, my list on who works and who I need to get used to.

Works: Billy, Sumeragi, Wang, Allelujah, Tieria, Alejandro, Marina, Saji, Louise, Kinue, Patrick, Aeolia and of course Haro.
Get used to: Sergei, Graham, Setsuna, Lockon, Christina, Feldt, Hong Long (not sure about how he refers to Wang as "Mistress").

Other than that, a good start. I can't help but be sucked into this odd world where interventions are caused by Gundams, and the world seems to reflect on a possible what if of our reality. It also helps immensely that the entire product is relatively sterling in terms of production work, style, and execution. It's fun, and despite how one-sided the first fight is, it's quite intense and interesting. It will be quite nice to eventually see what happens to the Gundams when they're in over their heads, but for right now, let's enjoy the ride. The only flaw on hand at the moment is that there isn't much of the Meisters really. They make expository small talk, and just say they're commencing the mission, but I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt because these first two episodes are essentially world building ones.

See you next week.

[macattack]

How many Time Paradox people are there in this thread? :sweat:

"Hello me, meet the real me."

. . .

Aw, sh*t.

[Juu-kuchi]

I've always thought it's always nice for mankind to undergo a process of tabula rasa from time to time.

[XOMiss_Samantha]

I'm just saying two episodes is WAY too early for anyone to be declaring the flavour of the show or that it's a copy of anything. Maybe that'll turn out true, maybe it won't. But we're 2 episodes in to a 25 episode season (with a second 25 episode season currently airing in Japan I believe), so no one should act high and mighty with first impressions. Fans are too quick to judge.

Thank you. It's too easy nowadays to write off a certain show as a reflection of another when we've barely touched the top of the series. First impressions are important, but not always correct. (Like how I thought Tieria was a woman for the longest time before the original first episode aired >_> )


You do realize Setsuna is probably more skinny than Heero? ;) *ducks* >_> Yes, but Setsuna doesn't look like he has an eating disorder *waggles finger*.

[Juu-kuchi]

Hey you guys, I still like Heero y'know. ;_;

[HellCat]

Ok, just checked and as it was covered in episode 2 I can have my rant.

Anyone saying this is pacifism or what have you- you're wrong. It was covered in the latter half of episode 2 how CB really intends to change things. They know the interventions can't quell century long conflicts, instead they plan to pick a fight with everyone and anyone so that humanity becomes united through their singular hatred of the Gundams and Celestial Being. No 'If only we'd listen to each other' fluff here. They're taking advantage of the fact people don't care unless something affects them and any enemy no one can combat affects EVERYBODY.

There's still alot of questionable things about what they've just started but I think it's clear that everyone gets why they're doing it (at least in their own words)

[Katsumara]

Well it's obvious that it isn't pacifism. CB just attacked both sides in the fight. o.o; There's no LOVE AND PEEEEACE there.

[HellCat]

What a strong opening. It's obviously only the first 2 episodes but there are lots of interesting aspects already. The battle in episode 2 especially was nice. The director said they handled it as super vs real and you can really see that in Exia's mobility vs the clunky, tank-like Tierens.

Voice work was pretty strong with only a few complaints. Saji sounded a little off. He seems to be an average teenager, but for some reason there's a little Droopy Dog in there. As for Al...I think I prefer the Japanese voice. It just sounds a little more like a sensetive person putting up a strong front, whilst Richard Ian Cox is a bit more assertive.

There were also a few bits of dialogue which sadly seem to repeat past Ocean mistakes. If every military has MS, why did so many characters use the term like it was alien to them? 'Gundam', sure. But general series terminology has never been the Ocean actor's strong point.
I did get a chuckle out of the one AEU official saying 'Mobile Suit Gundam...' as he stared at an image of Exia...guess he had the bad TV Guide too.

[garfield15]

Voices I didn't particularly care for:
Graham (What? Crispin Freeman wasn't available? Or did you really think this guy was the best choice)
Sergei, though I think that may improve in time
The cannon fodder. I think those three guys who talked in succession in the orbital elevator sounded exactly the same

Voices I liked:
Pretty much everyone else. Aeolia Schenberg surprised me

Voices I REALLY liked:
Setsuna and Allelujah. I put these two together because I think that they're voices took like 3 or 4 levels in badass just because of the people that they're voiced by. They sound so right for their roles
Lockon. I HEARD IRISH IN HIS VOICE
Wang Liu Mei: Really spectacular performance. A right combo of sickengly sweet and annoying b**** you just want to get away from but can't because of her sickengly sweet voice. Great choice there.

Overall, I like it a lot more compared to SEED's dub.

EDIT: Darn you Time Paradox HC, I thought I sealed you within the bowels of the flames of Mordor!

[GWOtaku]

Overall, I like it a lot more compared to SEED's dub.


I 100% agree. Even if every dub criticism so far is valid, this still beats the stuffing out of the Seed dub. The voices for the lead pilots were really lacking there, among other things. In truth I was fairly worried since this is drawing on the same talent pool and even the same voice director, but this ended up turning out rather well.

[Juu-kuchi]

I 100% agree. Even if every dub criticism so far is valid, this still beats the stuffing out of the Seed dub. The voices for the lead pilots were really lacking there, among other things. In truth I was fairly worried since this is drawing on the same talent pool and even the same voice director, but this ended up turning out rather well. Not the mention the adaptation is sound enough that it doesn't sound like at times some of the dub actors trying to finish lines quickly. Like I believe once Athrun's "I'msorry" in Phase 20 and Rau's statement of "Husbandnwife" in Phase 07.

[Funkatron]

For some odd reason, I was hoping that they'd give some of the characters some authentic accents :p

[Rob_TF]

For some odd reason, I was hoping that they'd give some of the characters some authentic accents :p

Well, we can't expect a Russion-accented Sergei, an Irish-accented Lockon or a Spanish-accented Louise. It'd be too much work for these low paid VAs.

[garfield15]

Well, we can't expect a Russion-accented Sergei, an Irish-accented Lockon or a Spanish-accented Louise. It'd be too much work for these low paid VAs.

But if it was 4Kids....

(Actually, wait, no. 4Kids would leave the accents in but somehow make it sound incredibly annoying)

EDIT: After posting that, some really sick deep part of me wants to hear Dan Green as Setsuna. (Just imagine Yami screaming "I'M A GUNDAM!")

[macattack]

Well, Sumeragi seemed to have a slight British accent, or my ears were fooling me.

[The Otakuman]

Howdy all!

I enjoyed the first 2 episodes to the series so far.

Dubbing is fantastic.

It does remind me of G-Wing in a way.

4 Pilots instead of 5 creating havoc.:)

Nothing like a Gundam series with beautiful babes in it as well:D

Cant wait for more to come.

See ya!

[Hyper Shadow X]

Not sure if anyone else took notice of this or not but Setsuna is voiced by. Both people who did Light Yagami in Death Note.

[Grenzer]

Well, we can't expect a Russion-accented Sergei, an Irish-accented Lockon or a Spanish-accented Louise. It'd be too much work for these low paid VAs.

I don't know if these VAs were paid low wages in this, this is Canada we're talking about here. The voice actor community there is heavily unionzed and protects it's own.

And yes Ocean could have gotten VA with native accents if they wanted to. Check out the Master Keaton dub some time, they actually hired a group of Chinese immigrant actors to play... a family of Chinese immigrants. And the Japanese guys were voiced by Japanese immigrant actors and so on. It worked for the most part too.

[K-S-O]

I haven't been into Gundam in a long time and I'll say that I was quite impressed with the first two episodes. Whoever said that the show has a slow start is wrong! ...or maybe the show was slow but I didn't notice.

Every character looks so feminine. After all the anime I've seen, I'm going to assume that all the characters are dudes!

[HellCat]

I think the character designs looking feminine is because the primary designer for them was a female who'd previously done yaoi. There's certainly a 'pretty boy' air to the designs but I've personally seen worse. I mean, if you want a Gundam show where females and males just seem to mesh I'd point to Hirai's design work in Gundam SEED. Here, it seems pretty easy to tell who's who (well, except for that Tieria...thing).

[airfighter]

For whatever reason, I ended up (re-)watching the dub. Not bad at all. I'm never going to be a "dub guy" per se, but this one is perfectly watchable as far as I'm concerned.

Haro's voice did seem a little annoying and I'm not quite sure about Sergei, Marina, Saji or Graham, in terms of casting as opposed to acting, but there's plenty of time for the VAs to grow into their roles. Everyone else seemed to be decent to good so far.

As for the series itself, I'd say it is one of the better AU series and definitely worth a try. The show takes its time to really get going, which may require patience but it's also a positive in terms of world building. When it does, things get fairly exciting, with a couple of nice twists to the usual Gundam formula even if still within the rough limits of what experienced fans of the franchise have come to expect.

There are plenty of remaining similarities to other previous shows, yes, but overall, the first season of 00 manages to be particularly well executed in its own right. Even if I'm not the biggest 00 fan around, by any means, I sincerely like it and hope dub watchers will also find it entertaining.

[garfield15]

Welcome to Celestial Being Meister Host Club

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[Karl Olson]

Welcome to Celestial Being Meister Host Club

May we take your order?

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In that context, some how it looks a lot closer to Loveless than normal. Something about the poses.

[XOMiss_Samantha]

In that context, some how it looks a lot closer to Loveless than normal. Something about the poses.

YAY I can't believe you noticed the resemblance! Since this show first premiered in Japan I've been pointing out how Setsuna looks exactly like Ritsuka and how Grahams buddy Katagiri (billy) looks like the spitting image of Soubi in some instances. Thats one of the reasons that got me interested in this show. Recently I realized that Kio resembles bits and pieces of Libbonz and Tieria too. Seimei Aoyagi is also very close to Lockon.

[kenjisalk]

Just watched the first dub episode, and I have to say it's an utter dissapointment.

Why is Ocean Group compelled to direct actors to sound extra snotty and confrontational even when it is incredibly inappropriate? Allelujah sounds way too smug and out of character, Graham is an obvious bad choice, and Saji sounds like he's on antidepressants.

There are a few acceptable casting decisions, but overall I think they really missed the mark on getting actors that don't make the main cast seem like a bunch of pompous little shonen cliches. This show deserves more than that. I can't tell how much of it is the actors faults and how much of the blame is with the director.

[HellCat]

Just watched the first dub episode, and I have to say it's an utter dissapointment.

Why is Ocean Group compelled to direct actors to sound extra snotty and confrontational even when it is incredibly inappropriate? Allelujah sounds way too smug and out of character, Graham is an obvious bad choice, and Saji sounds like he's on antidepressants.

There are a few acceptable casting decisions, but overall I think they really missed the mark on getting actors that don't make the main cast seem like a bunch of pompous little shonen cliches. This show deserves more than that. I can't tell how much of it is the actors faults and how much of the blame is with the director.

That's it! THAT'S the problem I have with their dubs! Thank you for summing it up :)

[kenjisalk]

It wouldn't be so upsetting if it wasn't for the fact that I WANT to like it, and I still intend to buy the inevitable Blu-Ray release, but a meh dub detracts from my enthusiasm for it.

[HellCat]

One example I'll give- the assistant reporting the Gundams to the HRL leader

"These 'mooooooobile weaponnnnnns'...."

If we believe Ocean, people in the real world would say 'fiiiighter plaaaaaanes' and 'amourrrred taaaanks'.

[macattack]

My problem with Ocean dubs is that they all tend to sound somewhat nasal. That was one of the reasons why I loved the Death Note dub so much, all of that . . . nasalness was gone.

[garfield15]

My problem with Ocean dubs is that they all tend to sound somewhat nasal. That was one of the reasons why I loved the Death Note dub so much, all of that . . . nasalness was gone.

Yeah, Brad Swaille is great to have here since he doesn't bring out the nasalliness that some of the other characters do.

Anyone wonder if Brad will get extremely into character like he did with Light?

[HellCat]

It'll be interesting to see what, if anything, the world can do to stop the Gundams. From the sound of things, the 3 power blocks all want to capture one to study rather than outright destroy it. I wonder if they'll have any luck, as the Gundams seem well prepared.

[Vallen Valiant]

It'll be interesting to see what, if anything, the world can do to stop the Gundams. From the sound of things, the 3 power blocks all want to capture one to study rather than outright destroy it. I wonder if they'll have any luck, as the Gundams seem well prepared.
ARRRR!!!!
Time Paradox HC, stop breaking my brain! :crying:

[Demonic Raven]

I think someone divided by zero somewhere along the line and this was the result....:sweat:

[HellCat]

This Graham guy seems like he might stand a chance. I mean, that cliffhanger...I wonder how Setsuna will get out of that and if Graham will survive such a rash attack.

I doubt the AEU have much of a chance if that Patrick is the best they've got. If he goes for revenge, he's almost certain to die pretty quick.

[purplehairedwonder]

This Graham guy seems like he might stand a chance. I mean, that cliffhanger...I wonder how Setsuna will get out of that and if Graham will survive such a rash attack.

I doubt the AEU have much of a chance if that Patrick is the best they've got. If he goes for revenge, he's almost certain to die pretty quick.O.O
I think someone divided by zero somewhere along the line and this was the result....:sweat:It's getting worse... I think the space time continuum has been completely and utterly destroyed. It's scary.

[HellCat]

No one wants to discuss this interesting show?

[Juu-kuchi]

Give it time HC, we're still very wary of this show, it has some things that differentiates itself from Wing, but nothing really all too showcasey about it to get anything yet out of it. Once the plot starts and moving and we know all these tertiary characters apart from the Meisters, we can discuss things a bit further.

[Beat]

I'm just thankful that Gundam's back on TV, and that one network still airs anime that's good.

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpJrFmcxYm8)So in that spirit, Gundam... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuL9V32aGFs)

[Gatomon41]

No one wants to discuss this interesting show?
Other than making a ton of references to other obscure Sci-fi shows and tropes? :p

[macattack]

My head's in agonizing pain deducting how we have an AU HellCat and Juu-kuchi posting on just one thread at the same time our HellCat and Juu-kuchi continue to go across the rest of the board.

. . .

I think this talkback thread is a gateway to some sort of Internet time paradox, created by . . . ow, head hurt. HEAD HURT!

[garfield15]

So for all you newcomers (and apparantly AU HC and Juu-kuchi) What did you think of the OP "Daybreak's Bell" sung by L'arc~en~ceil? (Long name for a singer, I know)

[macattack]

So for all you newcomers (and apparantly AU HC and Juu-kuchi) What did you think of the OP "Daybreak's Bell" sung by L~arc-en-ciel?

Boring. They do a nice touch with the bells at the beginning of the song, but after that, blah. And, personally, I'm sick of hyde's voice. At least it's not another Jpop song, I got Jpoped out after SEED and Destiny bombarded me with Nami Tamaki, T.M. Revolution, and a lot of artists who made my ears bleed. However, I am glad Sci-fi seems to be done with speeding up intros, after GL's intro was sped up for the first few weeks.

Here's the ED, since Sci-fi is skipping it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpUpqmnVGH4

"Wana", by The Black Horn.

As you can see, you're not missing much visual-wise. :sweat: I like the punk themes the song has.

[Anyone00]

Other than making a ton of references to other obscure Sci-fi shows and tropes? :p

Don't forget table top games. Waaagh!

[Juu-kuchi]

It has an interesting tune to it. Something unlike the numerous bubbly pop songs that dotted the SEED series. Unique, and very different, and well animated too.

I like it. (For now anyway... =p)

[garfield15]

It has an interesting tune to it. Something unlike the numerous bubbly pop songs that dotted the SEED series. Unique, and very different, and well animated too.

I like it. (For now anyway... =p)

Hey I liked "Ignited" (just Ignited thought, the rest were way too bubbly)

[Rolling Cloud]

Hey I liked "Ignited" (just Ignited thought, the rest were way too bubbly)

"Ignited" was good, though I think I liked "Pride" a bit more.

[HellCat]

Gundam 00 Forums has now opened a spoiler-free dub discussion area. There you can discuss thoughts and theories on the episodes, characters and mecha. Take a look :)

http://z11.invisionfree.com/gundam00/index.php?act=SC&c=6

[K-S-O]

So for all you newcomers (and apparantly AU HC and Juu-kuchi) What did you think of the OP "Daybreak's Bell" sung by L'arc~en~ceil? (Long name for a singer, I know)

I played that song in Taiko Drum Master and had a lot of fun. Hearing that song in the actual show makes me want to go beat a drum with the music. :p

[Menos Grande]

Here's the ED, since Sci-fi is skipping it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpUpqmnVGH4

"Wana", by The Black Horn.

As you can see, you're not missing much visual-wise. :sweat: I like the punk themes the song has.

It's The Back Horn

[GWOtaku]

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Last week, the intentions of the enigmatic organization known as Celestial Being were declared to the world. No matter the reason, when war is waged, they will intervene with overwhelming force. As promised, they have begun armed interventions throughout the world using four highly advanced Gundam mobile suits: The Gundam Exia piloted by Setsuna F. Seiei, the Gundam Dynames piloted by Lockon Stratos, the Gundam Kyrios piloted by Alleujah Haptism, and the Gundam Virtue piloted by Tieria Erde.

How will the three superpowers of the world respond to Celestial Being's actions? Tonight, two more episodes of Gundam 00 are on tap for Ani-Monday.

11 PM: Episode 3 - "The Changing World"
11:30 PM: Episode 4 - "Foreign Negotiations"

Post spoilers, and Graham Aker's coming for you in his Flag.

[macattack]

A lot of VAs are going to get tested in this pair. I'm especially curious over Marina will sound, she is, after all, the most meaningful "pacifist/peacenik princess" Gundam's had in recent memory. It seems she'll have a deeper, more mature voice than most of them, it's time to find out whether Paula Lindberg'll fit.

I can't wait to watch Graham and Setsuna do battle in English. Dobson so far has a good speaking voice but his yelling so far has left something to be desired . . . maybe there'll be an improvement?

[LordTerminal]

Uh Sci-Fi? My clock says eleven now. Why the hell isn't Lost over yet?

[Gatomon41]

If Celestial Being is God's judgment, its a pretty lame one.

[MarineCorps]

Paul Dobson isn't doing it for me as Graham. The dub also seems clumsy at times

OMG Sergei has a way to raspy voice.

Even as a Tiny character they could have made the Union Chief a little less whiny sound

[Katsumara]

Miroku is on the wrong team, guys :(

[Gatomon41]

Teria is really channeling Athrun's voice here.

Looks like the Union is sending out GI Joe!

Dang, Ireland never gets a break does it?

[purplehairedwonder]

Teria is really channeling Athrun's voice here.I was thinking the same thing.

Graham's voice is still not working for me. Same with Saji's.

[bigdeath]

God, the VA sound so out of place. :sweat:

[MarineCorps]

Less Rasp more Gruff sergei

[Gatomon41]

President Mister Rodgers!

[Rolling Cloud]

I'm enjoying this but.. Inu-Al sounds really awkward.

[Katsumara]

No one touches me.

Darned right!

[bigdeath]

Remember, the ugly mechs are weak.

[Gatomon41]

I'm enjoying this but.. Inu-Al sounds really awkward.

You think that's bad? Feldt Lacus makes me jump every time she talks!

So Setusna is next door neighbors to Mir and Saiji?! That's their only connection!

Lain's Dad is not taking any crap from Celesital Being!

[Aces 21]

It's been a while since I've seen a Gundam show. I've caught bits and pieces of SD Gundam and Gundam Seed before it got switched around on television.

Now, since I caught the new show, I hope it can deliver more.

[Funkatron]

Soma isn't half bad

[Gatomon41]

IT'S FLLAY !!!!!!!!!!!:anime::D:)

[MarineCorps]

Hey Soma sounds pretty good!

[Gatomon41]

President Rodgers seems rather laid back.

Taribia? Were the heck is that?

I have to question the US logic of creating such an strategic asset so close to such an unfrienndly country...

[purplehairedwonder]

Aww yay, Soma.

President Ryuk. Love it.

[Gatomon41]

Take that Taribia! No one succeeds from America!

"It's just...so one sided."

Did Al just break the fourth wall?

President Steigmeier? WTH sort of name is that? Ryuk is a better name.

Darn it Lacus Fedlt! Your voice makes my heart jump every time!

Stop being a wuss, Saiji.

[Raidon Makoto]

:/

I'm starting to hate the voice work in this series. Most of the characters sound like they are in a dire need of antidepressants... All the voices are so bland, and most sound like I've heard them already (which I have, thank you Ocean. ;) )...

[Hyper Shadow X]

Soma to me sounds ok waiting to here how Ali sounds.

[PickHut]

You know, it does sound like the majority of the people in the show sound tired or bored...

Nice set of episodes. I liked seeing how they're showing how all the attacks are affecting the politicians and the people. And for a second there, I thought we were gonna have the exact same cliffhanger in episode 4 that happened in episode 2. Wishe the fight was longer, though.

[purplehairedwonder]

:/

I'm starting to hate the voice work in this series. Most of the characters sound like they are in a dire need of antidepressants... All the voices are so bland, and most sound like I've heard them already (which I have, thank you Ocean. ;) )...While I don't hate the voices, I really did think these couple of episodes felt like step down from last week. It could have just been that I was super excited for 00 to air last week, but eh... just wasn't feeling it tonight.

[Gatomon41]

You know, it does sound like the majority of the people in the show sound tired or bored...
It doesn't help that the main character is as Monotonous as Heero, or that the heroes have superiority over their foes. Really, is there a reason they should sound stressed or excited?

At least the Flag guys sounded enthusiastic. Their voices were probably the most notable.


Nice set of episodes. I liked seeing how they're showing how all the attacks are affecting the politicians and the people.
It's actually nice to see normal politicians in a Gundam series. In most series, Gundam doesn't show the main politicians, and when we do, they always eccentric and have a crazy plan. Here, we have simply normal politicians doing normal political things.

[MeggieMay]

:/

I'm starting to hate the voice work in this series. Most of the characters sound like they are in a dire need of antidepressants... All the voices are so bland, and most sound like I've heard them already (which I have, thank you Ocean. ;) )...

Have to laugh at your antidepressant comment. Problem is, IMO the issue isn't Ocean's dub on that count but the original source material (the show played pretty much the same in Japanese, only this time I understood more of the plot) :sweat: . Still, I do think some of Oceans VA directing is leaving something to be desired :| .

As for the voices, I thought Richard Ian Cox actually did better this week. He sounded a lot less like InuYasha and more like a new character so kudos to him :) . I also want to give Saji's VA a gold star for managing to make the character just as wimpy as his Japanese counterpart but only funnier :anime: .

[Grenzer]

It's those Canuck accents, they make everyone sound so calm and mellow! Or maybe it's just a Vancouver thing, the guys from Calgary and Toronto don't like that.

[macattack]

Personally, to me, it's like their voices echo, only there's no echo, if that makes any sense. That's how a lot of them sound. Death Note's dub, again, dodged that aspect of Ocean dubs, but it looks like Gundam 00 is falling flat on its face in that regard.

Dobson really needs to work on his Graham yell or the voice director needs to realize Graham should sound like a manly adult when he's yelling. Graham sounds okay otherwise, but his yelling and "emoting" is off.

To quote GWOtaku, "Marina sounds divine". Looks like she was casted well. Soma sounds good as well. The women/girls in general seem to be better-casted than the guys. Even Lisa Ann Beley's Murrue-er, Sumeragi sounds pretty good, she's using a deep, mature voice that cracks a bit like she's starting to wear her voice out, which suits Sumeragi quite well.

I. Hate. Matt. Hill's. Stuffy-Nosed. Voice. He made me want to offer Kira a tissue to blow out his nose, and now he makes me want to give Saji cold medicine.

[Taekmkm]

Eh? Gabe plays Saji.

[macattack]

Eh? Gabe plays Saji.

I swear to God that sounds like Matt Hill. Oh wait, unless that's his nephew providing Saji's voice (they sound almost identical).

[Taekmkm]

That's Simon Hill you're thinking about, and no he's not. Matt couldn't be voicing anything since he's running around America for charity.

[macattack]

That's Simon Hill you're thinking about, and no he's not. Matt couldn't be voicing anything since he's running around America for charity.

Then this "Gabe" person is doing one heckuva Matt Hill impression.

I can't stand voices like that, when the character sounds like he has a stuffy nose. Unless he's supposed to be stuffed up, of course. Bleh.

[Vallen Valiant]

Take that Taribia! No one succeeds from America!

Not quite... Talibia is just Venezuela with a fake name. (One screenshot in 00 showed that Sunrise forgot to replace Venezuela with Taribia on the map) The reason they couldn't leave the Union, is that they are sitting on ALL the cables powering the entire North America. They could threaten to cut the power to everyone north of the country as blackmail material, and the US couldn't do anything (technically) because CB would get involved.

CB knows this is just an attempt at blackmail, so they took out Hugo Chávez's army. But Hugo had already planned a win-win situation, so even though the blackmail attempt failed, he gained political advatage anyway and ensured his re-election.

[Taekmkm]

Then this "Gabe" person is doing one heckuva Matt Hill impression.

Gabe played Nicol from SEED, so I guess your mind pointed at the wrong familiar feeling.

[Gatomon41]

CB knows this is just an attempt at blackmail, so they took out Hugo Chávez's army. But Hugo had already planned a win-win situation, so even though the blackmail attempt failed, he gained political advantage anyway and ensured his re-election.
Except he was running against Chuck Norris...

[Zeonic Freak]

Gah, forgot to tape.

Ill turn to sources on the net to find my ep...

[Katsumara]

Good set of episodes tonight. As people have said, some VAs sounded a little worse than last week's set, but I'm sure we'll work into them.

Also yeah. Saji = Gabe Khouth, a.k.a. Nicol in Gundam SEED.

Sumeragi's is nice. I'm not hearing as much Murrue in her, and I love Soma's. This is the same VA that did Fllay obviously in SEED, but also did Roberta, the Killer Maid (<3) in Black Lagoon. God I loved her voice there. Either way, her voice here as Soma is great. Getting used to Sergei's gruff voice as well.

Still need to grow on Saji, and Grahams. Graham sounds too boyish to me still. He also sounds waaaay too excited, though I guess that's fine since he's in love with the Gundam and all. Billy's Miroku is coming way out too, which is why I'm curious why he isn't on Al/Inuyasha's side!

So yeah. I don't mind the dub, I'm not going to be an elitest and bash it, but I do hope some of the voices improve a tad.

[D.Shaffer]

I have to question the US logic of creating such an strategic asset so close to such an unfrienndly country...Didnt really have much of a choice in locations. Orbital elevators more or less need to be on the Equator to work right.

[K-S-O]

I get this strange feeling that this Shirin character is going to be awesome, and I assumed that the princess and the white-haired soldier were dudes. I was so wrong on those...

Looking forward to next week!

[HellCat]

MA*ID*U?!

*ahem* Sorry, what maid?

[XOMiss_Samantha]

MA*ID*U?!

*ahem* Sorry, what maid?

Chorisuuuuuu!!????

*coughs*
I still need to watch the episode considering 12am is way too late for somebody who has to wake up at 530 in the morning. Sadly I can already tell from the reviews that Grahams voice is going to irritate me.

[D Dubbs]

So...I still haven't watched this, but based on the first four episodes, do you think I should go for the original version or the dub? The impression that I'm getting of the dub from this thread doesn't seem all that positive...

[Gatomon41]

So...I still haven't watched this, but based on the first four episodes, do you think I should go for the original version or the dub? The impression that I'm getting of the dub from this thread doesn't seem all that positive...

It's just really nick-picking in general. The voices in the Dub are decent enough. People just have to get used to the voices that they're not used to.

[D Dubbs]

It's just really nick-picking in general. The voices in the Dub are decent enough. People just have to get used to the voices that they're not used to.

I see. I guess I'll give the dub a look now.

[HellCat]

I think to be fair, for people who have seen both there are noticeable differences. There are subtle things about certain characters which are much better conveyed in the Japanese casting. Most of the Ocean VAs thus far are missing these nuances and it changes how viewers will perceive the characters.

[Lelouch]

I wouldn't go that far HC, the dub isn't all that bad really. What's odd is that I didn't really enjoy the first parts of 00 when I originally watched it, but now that I can actually fully understand what they are saying I like it quite a bit more. I'd say just watch the dub, no need to go out of your way to watch the original, it isn't too terrible, if anything I find it pretty decent (the dub).

Oh and Saji's voice sounds nothing like Matt Hill's...

[HellCat]

Well, it's just my opinion. I personally find Ocean have done too much Gundam and I think thus far the 00 dub is sadly proving that. A show deserves the cast that fits, not 'You there, do the old man voice you've done in every other series for us!'. I really think the Japanese cast embody the characters much better.

[XOMiss_Samantha]

I think to be fair, for people who have seen both there are noticeable differences. There are subtle things about certain characters which are much better conveyed in the Japanese casting. Most of the Ocean VAs thus far are missing these nuances and it changes how viewers will perceive the characters.

I actually think you're pretty exact here. There are specific things about a characters voice or personality that don't come across as strong as they do in the sub, one example being Al and the fact that he sounds too gruff for his character [at least in my eyes]. Where's the sensitivity? Sergei sounds like he's aged way too much.
These little things aren't THAT essential to understand the story, but make it at least a smidge more enjoyable when you get them. I'm hoping that as we go on, the dub gets better [not that its totally bad now or anything] and the VA's settle more into their roles. HC has a point when he comments about the casting process. Sometimes it feels like they picked the first person to slightly peak their interest regardless of if it fits or not.
Graham wasn't too terrible this time around, and the only serious problem I have is Saji. It's like the kid has no testicles what so ever.
mmmmmmmmm Setsuna. *pokes him* He's been through a mental hell more often than not =[ His social awkwardness is so cute
Soma sounds pretty interesting. I do believe I like it.

[Lelouch]

To be fair, the same could be said for many dubs.

[HellCat]

To be fair, the same could be said for many dubs.

True. But that doesn't make it right.

[Lelouch]

Lol. When i was reading my post, I thought you'd respond with that, because you're right, it isn't an excuse.

I suppose the best we can hope for is that they improve and settle into their roles as it goes on.

[D Dubbs]

True. But that doesn't make it right.

Well...the ideas of right and wrong are pretty subjective when it comes to dubs.

[HellCat]

I'm very odd when it comes to character portrayal. After all, I'm the guy that will argue G Gundam has a very strong set of characters and the dub turned them into WWE rejects.

[bigdeath]

one example being Al and the fact that he sounds too gruff for his character [at least in my eyes]. Where's the sensitivity?

Exactly what I thought when I heard his voice.

[GWOtaku]

Okay, dub reviewing first. I must be watching a different show from what some people saw, because I'm still liking the dub. Certainly not a decline from the first week. The Meisters are pretty much right where I want them. Setsuna and Lockon are fine as-is, Tieria's excellent voice actually got better, and unfortunately I'm still apparently in the minority that likes Alleujah's voice. Some apparently want him to come off as sounding super polite and going out of his way to avoid confrontation as though he were the next Quatre, but I'm pretty pleased with what we've got. The dub voice is quiet but also fairly confident and introspective. It'd be one thing if he were giving off the same vibe as Tieria or even Lockon, but he isn't.

Graham's voice can be good, even really good. 80% to 90% of his lines are satisfying to hear. I adored his line about how his appointment to the anti-Gundam squad must be fate. His casual voice is fine, and when he's talking to Billy or making comments in episode four the voice fits great. But that opening scene in episode 3 was weak. Paul Dobson ought to remember what he sounded like in episode four and in the latter part of episode 3, and then copy exactly that for the rest of the series. But that faux yelling really, really doesn't cut it. Get rid of it, and dub Graham is A-OK. On other Union voices, Billy improved by a lot. Eifman sounds exactly like what I expected. The Flag Fighters are solid, I'm a fan of the dubbed Howard Mason.

Saji could be better, but then again maybe this fits Saji as he is in this season--young, decent, nice, fairly naive. He may be a student, but he's still basically a boy who's only now discovering the real world. Kinue's voice is a perfect fit. With Louise, they definitely seem to be casting her as assertive and a bit self-absorbed without making her out as a brat. I'd say that in Japanese she's undoubtedly a brat more often than not, but quite frankly I'll gladly take the dub interpretation instead.

Marina's consistent, I'm quite happy. Shirin--what the heck? Who is playing her? She's unexpectedly the standout performance this week.

Sergei is still so-so, though when he's serious the voice gets better. Soma is another case of being more or less what I imagined she would sound like in English. At this point in the show she's sort of like a female Setsuna, and that certainly comes across. I'm interested to see how Tabitha St. Germain handles the character going forward.

The CB crew in brief: I agree that Sumeragi seems to have gotten further away from the Captain Ramius voice. I really liked her dialogue with Tieria about the victory drink. "I respectfully decline." "You're no fun." It's a little moment but Sumeragi has lots of little moments like those that give you a feel for the character, and Lisa Ann Beley keeps delivering them so well. Wang stayed fine, and I agree with the positive reviews about Alejandro. Lasse sounded good. Lichtendahl wasn't good, but he's a bit character anyway.

There may be some shortcomings, but I really think this deserves better than comparisons to the Japanese. It's not an uncommon dub-related complaint, but there's always going to be some differences between the English acting and the nuances of the Japanese voices. Yet I think that on the whole, they've pretty much nailed down the atmosphere that you're supposed to be feeling. As I've said at times in the past, I don't need allegiance to the Japanese. Just give me a voice that I can believe fits the character I'm watching. So far, dub 00 has done that for me. Frankly, so far, I'd say this is the best Gundam dub since at least the release of Char's Counterattack in 2002.

_________________________

My review on the content of this week--please, no time paradox jokes.

First, I have some obligatory griping about Sci-Fi--it's great that they are airing 00, but some of their time edits annoyed me this week. The way they cut into Setsuna's imagination of destruction around him was way too sudden, much more than it will be in the uncut version. Also, they seem to have left out the short moment where Alejandro Corner's sidekick Ribbons approaches Hong Long at the bar after the show cuts away from Corner's conversation with Wang. Considering that said moment lasts all of roughly 3 seconds, I'm at something of a loss there. It isn't important, but Ribbons doesn't get seen much either.

For me, the standout episode this week is definitely episode four. The third one is good, but it's basically setup and another chance to show us just how powerful the Gundams are. To this day, I still like 00's Sci-Fi setting. Unlike other series in the Gundam franchise space colonies a new innovation and still under construction, aided by the orbital elevators. I also still enjoy how there are "trains" into outer space. Very cool.

Moving on though, about Foreign Negotiations. The whole Taribia affair demonstrates that Celestial Being is surprisingly pragmatic. They probably chose the best course of action in this episode, but they also picked the smart one. They could have attacked the Union forces and won, but by doing so they would've picked a fight with the entire Union. They also would've been forced to intervene on Taribia's behalf again, most likely. Also, Saji is wrong about their decision not making much sense. It is literally true that Taribia's declaration was what instigated the incoming war, and Celestial Being's pledge was to target anyone who fostered armed conflict. Celestial Being's decision stopped a war before it started, and the organization showed that they won't take on a bigger fight than necessary even though they could have fought the bigger fight and probably won. Sumeragi absolutely made the correct call.

One final thing. For the record, a significant difference between 00 and Gundam Wing is now obvious at this point. In Wing, destroying the capability of others to make war is a big theme. Here Celestial Being doesn't seem to care about disarmament or they would've pulled a Wufei, attacked the Union, and destroyed as many mobile suits as possible. In contrast, Celestial Being is picking only necessary fights and are hoping to basically intimidate the world into not using military might. Their method is simply to demonstrate to the world that it has far more to lose by fighting than it can possibly hope to gain.

For the moment the world hasn't learned this lesson, considering that the Union and HRL are forming anti-Gundam squads. Down the road, however......as Sergei noted, there is no mobile suit in the world that can stand up to a Gundam in a head-on fight.

[Beat]

It really seems like Setsuna is the weakest link among the Meisters. He's the one being trapped, targeted, and the only one that seems vulnerable.

[GWOtaku]

I know what you mean. Between "I am a Gundam," the "don't touch me!" stuff and him imagining carnage and destruction in the midst of a peaceful community, Setsuna comes off as having some issues. Not too surprising I suppose, considering the childhood referenced in the first episode.