Sexual Tension in the Justice League

[Christo]

Here's an interesting possiblity:

In "In Brightest Day" Flash is hitting on Hawkgirl pretty hard. ("So . . . is there a Hawkboy?")

In "Warworld" we see Hawkgirl and GL in conflict with an underlying tension that could possibly be sexual in nature.

Next week, "Brave & Bold" is a GL/Flash teamup.

Anyone else think we're beginning to see the buddings of a romantic triangle? Might be fun as long as everyone stays in character. It causes tension, adds depth. And what happens when Hawkman shows up(in season two, maybe?)?

[Bird Boy]

I don't think so.....Flash hits on every woman in the show....and Hawkgirl looks like she'd rather smack GL and Flash before she went out on a date w/ em...

it'd just seem to dawson creek-ish..

-BB

[Spider]

Originally posted by Bird Boy
I don't think so.....Flash hits on every woman in the show....and Hawkgirl looks like she'd rather smack GL and Flash before she went out on a date w/ em...

it'd just seem to dawson creek-ish..

-BB

Bird_Boy,

Yeah, but I think it's Hawkgirl's way of seeing if whom she eventually dates is worthwhile. Kind of like, 'If he can take a punch, I'll consider it.' J/K. :)

[Naraht]

Originally posted by Bird Boy
I don't think so.....Flash hits on every woman in the show....and Hawkgirl looks like she'd rather smack GL and Flash before she went out on a date w/ em...

it'd just seem to dawson creek-ish..

-BB

I think you meant smallville-ish

[The Flash]

Originally posted by naraht


I think you meant smallville-ish

lol. Or maybe the both of them? :) I don't watch either of those shows, so I wouldn't know. :D

[Bird Boy]

Originally posted by The Flash


lol. Or maybe the both of them? :) I don't watch either of those shows, so I wouldn't know. :D

lol..either way I guess. I'm just talking about the "I love her" "I love her" "which one!?" thing...it's too..well..corny and mushy, Timm and Co. put somthing like that in there, I'd have to ralph...

I was fine w/ it in Batman Beyond (the Terry/Melanie/Dana thing), because Terry's 17...but GL, Flash and Hawkgirl are adults...not teenagers...

-BB

[DR. BELCH]

I'd buy it if Hawkigrl were to say to one of the guys--again, Flash comes to mind--"You remind me a lot of my [late?] husband." Whether that's a good thing or a bad remains to be seen. Though if the man she speaks of was a dark and brooding type, rather than a flashy joker, she might say that to Batman...throwing the fanboys/girls into a nice froth.... ;)

[Frank White]

Am I the only one that notices that Batman and Diana have good chemistry? Like in Secret Origins when they were talking before invading the headquaters. I think they would make a good couple.

[The Green Hornet]

batman doesnt know how to have a real relationship with anyone

wouldnt work

[Frank White]

Thats because Batman gets in the way. But since Diana's a superhero it won't be a problem.

[I.R Joey]

I though Hawkgirl already had someone for her, notice the way she shyed away from Flash's "Is there a Hawk Girl."

[TheHuntressDiana]

I think all you guys who see "sexual tension" in this show need to go out and either spend time with your S.O.'s or find a S.O....because there isn't any "sexual tension." How can you see something that's not there? :confused:

To have sexual tension, there has to be attraction on both sides of the coin...and there's none happening.

Just because there are there are women and men working together doesn't automatically mean there will be "sexual tension" coming in to play.

[DR. BELCH]

--haven't you ever heard of the concept of unrequited love? If I have feelings for a woman but can't bring myself to admit it directly, and don't know if it's mutual, there's still tension. If I say nothing, there's still the feelings; if I suddenly blurt out the L word (which I'll admit I have never said first to any woman), to her, I run the risk of frightening her. Diana's an innocent thing...and Hawkgirl probably has a past she hates to acknowledge...so neither one is particularly approachable....

[TheHuntressDiana]

Originally posted by DR. BELCH
--haven't you ever heard of the concept of unrequited love? If I have feelings for a woman but can't bring myself to admit it directly, and don't know if it's mutual, there's still tension. If I say nothing, there's still the feelings; if I suddenly blurt out the L word (which I'll admit I have never said first to any woman), to her, I run the risk of frightening her. Diana's an innocent thing...and Hawkgirl probably has a past she hates to acknowledge...so neither one is particularly approachable....

Unrequitted Love and Sexual Feelings are two separate things...and nothing like Sexual Tension. Let me show you how I (and I'm sure everyone is different) tell the difference:

Unrequitte Love = Joey loves Rachel, but Rachel loves him as a friend and nothing more.

Sexual Feelings = the Flash's apparent lustings after every attractive female on Justice League.

Sexual Tension = Scully & Mulder, David & Maddie, Harm & Mac . . . In other words, there's definately something there (and at times, it's so thick you could cut it with a knife) but one or both don't act on it . . . forgotten temporarily or someone else comes into the picture to off-set the tension . . .

I still say that there needs to be something from both sides (at the same time) for it to be true sexual tension. And so far, there hasn't been anything like that on Justice League to proove to me that there has been.

[Borg4of3]

I've never been too much a fan of sexual tension. That subject gets too personal and I think the JL has a ton of much more important things to worry about. I agree with BirdBoy that they are adults and not lubby-dubby teens, tho I'll add the infamous quote: "If done right..." I'll probably love it!

But if you're desperate for a really deep, true-to-character, and cute story of romance between Diana and Batman, check out this fanfic: The Unusual Mission (http://www.fanzing.com/mag/fanzing28/fiction2.shtml) Its a great mock epic, one of my faves at this point, and the best JLA romance fanfic I've read.

[Maxie Zeus]

I like Huntress' classification/definitions. But can I add a fourth:

Sexual Horseplay: Sort of the comic equivalent of "Sexual Tension." It's where the participants recognize some sexual attraction, but actively try to avoid it by bickering and bantering. Best expression is in 1930s screwball comedies, but something like it was also at work in the early episodes of "Cheers" between Sam and Diane, and in "Moonlighting" and "Remington Steele." Matters avoided a climax not because the characters wanted it and were distracted, but because they wanted it and did their best (with comic results) to avoid it.

I could see something like that developing in JL.

[Lab_Rat]

Okay, Huntress, maybe the term 'sexual tension' is wrong. But how should me interpret Hawkgirl's dialog?

Hawkgirl: "So we're stuck here. Is that what you're saying?"
Green Lantern: "Maybe forever."
Hawkgirl: "Just the two of us? --- Oh."

I don't mean just the words. Take into account the tone of voice, the pause, and (if you'll pardon the ridiculous) the facial expression. I would liken it to 'plausible deniability'. That kind of situation where a person (of either sex or any age) wants 'something' but doesn't want to have anyone know that they want it. So that, if the 'something' comes to pass, they can say, "It wasn't my idea --- I didn't mean for it to happen --- it was beyond my control --- IT'S NOT MY FAULT!". If they like the outcome they can think to themselves, "Yes, this is great." If they don't like the outcome they're covered, their words and actions would show that they were against it from the very beginning. They simply had to endure a terrible situation and did the best that they could.

In this case the 'something' may indeed not be sexual in nature (think of our politicians --- oops, never mind that), but I have to ask what you think it was. Fear? I don't think for a moment that she is afraid of Green Lantern. All that that leaves is that she was afraid of being alone and that makes even less sense than the other.

[CadaverousEyes]

Maybe she was thinking "Oh no, I might have to spend the rest of my life with this jerk on this stupid planet and we're probably going to kill each other in a week." After all, this was before he apologized.

[TheHuntressDiana]

Originally posted by Lab_Rat
Okay, Huntress, maybe the term 'sexual tension' is wrong. But how should me interpret Hawkgirl's dialog?

Hawkgirl: "So we're stuck here. Is that what you're saying?"
Green Lantern: "Maybe forever."
Hawkgirl: "Just the two of us? --- Oh."

I don't mean just the words...

I'll have to get back to you on that...since I missed it on Sunday (I keep forgetting it's on!).

Once I see it on Saturday, I'll get back to ya.

[TheHuntressDiana]

Originally posted by Lab_Rat
Okay, Huntress, maybe the term 'sexual tension' is wrong. But how should I interpret Hawkgirl's dialog?

Hawkgirl: "So we're stuck here. Is that what you're saying?"
Green Lantern: "Maybe forever."
Hawkgirl: "Just the two of us? --- Oh."

I don't mean just the words. Take into account the tone of voice, the pause, and (if you'll pardon the ridiculous) the facial expression. I would liken it to 'plausible deniability'. That kind of situation where a person (of either sex or any age) wants 'something' but doesn't want to have anyone know that they want it. So that, if the 'something' comes to pass, they can say, "It wasn't my idea --- I didn't mean for it to happen --- it was beyond my control --- IT'S NOT MY FAULT!". If they like the outcome they can think to themselves, "Yes, this is great." If they don't like the outcome they're covered, their words and actions would show that they were against it from the very beginning. They simply had to endure a terrible situation and did the best that they could.

In this case the 'something' may indeed not be sexual in nature (think of our politicians --- oops, never mind that), but I have to ask what you think it was. Fear? I don't think for a moment that she is afraid of Green Lantern. All that that leaves is that she was afraid of being alone and that makes even less sense than the other.

Okay, I finally saw it this afternoon.

I don't think it was "fear" as you think.

The exchange between HG and GL... that little bit of dialoge and her "oh" at the end...I take that as disappointment. If you were her, and you and GL were constantly bickering and putting each other down, would you want to spend "maybe forever" together? I think not.

That's what I took it for. Especially since her posture seemed to go a bit slack at that point. I saw it as disappointment.

[Lab_Rat]

Thanks, HuntressDiana, I appreciate your point of view.

Disappointment you say. As in having to face a rude awaking and having to resign oneself to a terrible outcome. You may have a good point. What would you say is the motives for all the bickering?

His would seem to be quilt. It's almost as if at some time in the past he had made a simple error or had had something bad happen for which he felt responsible. It's like he can't forgive himself for any error and can't forgive anyone else either. The explosion wasn't her fault, but he started out blaming her for it. After that he tried to solve the problem of finding the missing people.

She, on the other hand, wanted to start the search and rescue right away. So why, once they were on the same wavelength, did the bickering continue? It continued even after he tried to apologize. I'm willing to consider that it wasn't 'sexual tension', I'm just looking for some incite as to what it was.

I realize that this thread will probably die with the next episode so there may not be a chance to reply. If so, I bid you a good day.

[TheHuntressDiana]

The reasoning behind all the bickering? I'd have to say that two strong personalities such as theirs are going to clash and be extremely abrasive. It's like sand between your toes. It's not really killing you, but it's annoying none the less.


And as for them being on the same wave length...I'll still say that while they wanted the same thing, they go about it differently. GL is more of the "by the book" type of person...and HG is more of an "instincts" person.


HG is more of a "do it" woman. In that she usually let's her instincts take over in a fight. How many times has she been stopped from using her mace on someone at close range? You get where I'm coming from? :)

[Spider]

Originally posted by TheHuntressDiana
HG is more of a "do it" woman. In that she usually let's her instincts take over in a fight. How many times has she been stopped from using her mace on someone at close range? You get where I'm coming from? :)

TheHuntressDiana,

Could you please elaborate on that a bit? More specifically, your last two lines. Thanks. :)

[TheHuntressDiana]

More huh? Hmm...

I see HG as a more "physical" hero when it comes to a fight or taking someone out. By that I mean she'd rather bash and punch and everything else...to get the job done. Expending less energy and finding a more "efficient" way of doing things doesn't seem to be HG's style.

Does that make more sense?

Of course, this is just my take on that aspect of HG.

[Spider]

Originally posted by TheHuntressDiana
More huh? Hmm...

I see HG as a more "physical" hero when it comes to a fight or taking someone out. By that I mean she'd rather bash and punch and everything else...to get the job done. Expending less energy and finding a more "efficient" way of doing things doesn't seem to be HG's style.

Does that make more sense?

Of course, this is just my take on that aspect of HG.

TheHuntressDiana,

Yes, thanks. I was trying to think of times Hawkgirl lost her mace at close range and the connection you were trying to make. I can recall where she's said she doesn't need the mace on at least one (maybe two) occasions. It's as if she's been issued a challenge, which she does seem to relish. :) But I do agree, Hawkgirl isn't necessarily the most efficient when it comes to leveling her opponents--she definitely would rather ask questions later.... ;)

[TheHuntressDiana]

Whew! Glad I could make it easier to understand. I didn't know if I could. ;)


So, are you looking forward to seeing HG and WW actually working together for "Fury"? I know I am. :D

[Spider]

Originally posted by TheHuntressDiana
Whew! Glad I could make it easier to understand. I didn't know if I could. ;)


So, are you looking forward to seeing HG and WW actually working together for "Fury"? I know I am. :D

TheHuntressDiana,

Most definitely. I think they'll get along rather well. I think Wonder Woman has a lot more wisdom, and that perhaps Hawkgirl will learn much from her. (I'm not talking about making cookies, of course. ;)) My perception is that Wonder Woman is also older than Hawkgirl, which IMO could account for some of her wisdom.

I think it would be neat if they discussed a few of the other team members (out of earshot). *That* would be interesting. I'm not hoping for gossip, but more of how they really feel about some of the other five. Some tidbits would be welcomed.... :)