The Secret Saturdays - "The King of Kumari Kandam" - Talkback [11/7] [Archive]

tucsoncoyote

11-07-2008, 12:38 AM

Tonight class we are not only going to talk about Cryptozoology but also mythology in general. And tonight we are going to talk about the legend of something that rivals Atlantis. Namely the Lost civilization of Kumari Kandam, Otherwise known as the lost continent of Lemuria. In fact here is a suggested diagram of where Lemuria may exist in relation to Real world continents and islands in the Indian Ocean:

http://www.tamilnet.com/img/publish/2005/01/kumari_kandam.gif

According to ancient Tamil language folklore of India, Kumari Kandam is supposedly a sunken Continent (much like it's sister "Lost" continents of Atlantis (which is called the 8th continent) and Mu (The lost 10th continent)), that lies below the area of the Indian Ocean and that its supposed edge boundaries lie along the islands of Madagasscar, Sri Lanka and southern India, and even the western coast of Austraila.

According to Tamil writers this "Lost continent" of Lemuria is sort of the bridge that tied all three areas together, and in fact some scientists suggest that maybe Lemuria or rather Kumari Kandam does reside in the Indian Ocean basin. In fact One noted scientist Professor Karsten M. Storetvedt, the chair in geomagnetism at the University of Bergen, Norway, and an author of the Global Wrench Theory (GWT), says that the equator regions have always been most prone to natural catastrophes like earthquakes, tsunamis, and volcano eruptions. A part of explanation is that planet rotation and especially the difference in rotation speed between poles and equator force earth mantel to strain and to break more easily where the strain is strongest, that is at the equator regions. These tectonic processes played an important role in the disappearance of the ancient continent known as Kumari Kandam or Lemuria to western scholars. Sri Lanka together with India, Indonesia and Malaysia were a part of this continent. (As shown in the above diagram).

But since known plate tectonics dismiss this land mass, it is just speculative rumor that Kumari Kandam or Lemuria does not exist..

Well tonight it appears that maybe just maybe the Tamil language writers might have been right, as a sunken landmass arises out of the Indian Ocean and that with it comes the Legend of a variation of that of Kur, the Sumerian snake God cryptid, that V.V. Argost is possibly looking for. After all,The Tamil language is the basis for most other dialects, including that of the Sumerians. In fact, Tamil is perhaps the base language of the world that all other "Corrupted" dialects come from.

Let's just say that the Saturdays are treading in deep water here, (as am I), and it looks like that Tamil legends of the Lost continent of Kumari Kandam or Lemuria might be real after all. And it looks like Argost is wanting to be Lemuria's king.

(I bet a few heads are exploding right about now..

But then if folks think Atlantis is real and does exist, then Lemuria is more than likely a very good represenation of what might have befallen it's sister continents.

So...Any questions?

:coyote:

Blackstar

11-07-2008, 01:18 PM

Well, Argost is in this one. That should make his fans happy.

As always, I'll review this episode only after I've seen it.

creativerealms

11-07-2008, 02:19 PM

Yes it does make this Argost fan happy.

tucsoncoyote

11-07-2008, 02:19 PM

Well, Argost is in this one. That should make his fans happy.

And it will make all the Drew Saturday fanboys happy too as Drew gets to use that Tibetan fire sword of hers on the Kumari Kandamites.

I have a feeling this one will be action packed and will have the earmarkings of a good episode.

:coyote:

Racattack!Force

11-07-2008, 03:57 PM

What? No lesson on the Popobawa, Prof. Tucsoncoyote? :confused: Anyway, Argost is back, which makes this pretty awesome to me. The sneak peek was also pretty good. Popobawa attack...awesomeness.

Mala Loba

11-07-2008, 04:17 PM

Kumari?

I thought that was that little girl they worship in Nepal. I've not heard it in the sense of being a lost continent.

Mickialla

11-07-2008, 04:20 PM

The plot is awesome, definitely feeling the mythology love. I don't like the idea that there is supposedly a "god cryptid" though, I didn't like that idea with Kur either. Because cryptids aren't supposed to be mythological beings, they're just undiscovered animals with no magical powers. But I still like that this series incorporates other "mystery" plots to it outside of cryptozoology. I'm hoping they have an alien episode soon, since of all the "mystery" sub-genres, UFO's and the likes are definitely my favorite, and the one I've read the most on.

Comics_the_QB

11-07-2008, 05:31 PM

Argost, Fire sword, Cryptid War:

Already a really good episode! :D

Racattack!Force

11-07-2008, 06:01 PM

tucsoncoyote

11-07-2008, 06:12 PM

What? No lesson on the Popobawa, Prof. Tucsoncoyote? :confused: Anyway, Argost is back, which makes this pretty awesome to me. The sneak peek was also pretty good. Popobawa attack...awesomeness.

Warning to all the folks out there doing Cryptozoology 101: Do you really want to know about the Popobawa? Okay then here's what I found on this so called cryptid. And believe me, it's not a pretty one like New Zealand's Carnivorous Waitoreke. In fact, the Popobawa is savage, hostile, and in fact brutal, and while this legend first appeared in 1995, and again in 2000, it's been reported as late as 2005 and 2006. Right around the time the Zanzibar people hold their elections.

But what is a Popobawa? Well according to Zanzibarian legend (and the so called hysterical victims that have been brutally attacked by it), the Popobawa is said to be either a ghost or ogre with large bat wings and is rather *Ahem* let's just say he's one ugly creature who's an incubus (look up incubus to figure that one out!). The Creature is also a shapeshifter and is human during the day but takes on it's more hideous form late at night, and in a way this creature is supposedly a figment of a number of men suffering from hysteria in the region of the Zanzibarian islands of Pemba to Unguja . The Popobawa madness went as far as men refusing to sleep at home for fear of being victimized by the winged monster. And by victimized, I'm refering to being assaulted in ways that I can't describe here. (let's just say if I did, I would be banned.)

On the level of danger I would classify this creature as being an 8 or a 9 on the danger rating, and that if encountered, you might become a victim of it's savage nature. Trust me on this one. I mean to be savagely attacked in your own bed by this legendary incubus? Horrifying.. shocking.. Let's just say it's definitely NOT pretty.

Believe me, this is not a creature to be reckoned with.. And the Saturdays are playing 'tag' with this creature? Dangerous stuff Tednut. This one I wouldn't even touch with a 40 foot pole.. Seriously I wouldn't..

:coyote:

Racattack!Force

11-07-2008, 06:22 PM

Warning to all the folks out there doing Cryptozoology 101: Do you really want to know about the Popobawa? Okay then here's what I found on this so called cryptid. And believe me, it's not a pretty one like New Zealand's Carnivorous Waitoreke. In fact, the Popobawa is savage, hostile, and in fact brutal, and while this legend first appeared in 1995, and again in 2000, it's been reported as late as 2005 and 2006. Right around the time the Zanzibar people hold their elections.

But what is a Popobawa? Well according to Zanzibarian legend (and the so called hysterical victims that have been brutally attacked by it), the Popobawa is said to be either a ghost or ogre with large bat wings and is rather *Ahem* let's just say he's one ugly creature who's an incubus (look up incubus to figure that one out!). The Creature is also a shapeshifter and is human during the day but takes on it's more hideous form late at night, and in a way this creature is supposedly a figment of a number of men suffering from hysteria in the region of the Zanzibarian islands of Pemba to Unguja . The Popobawa madness went as far as men refusing to sleep at home for fear of being victimized by the winged monster. And by victimized, I'm refering to being assaulted in ways that I can't describe here. (let's just say if I did, I would be banned.)

On the level of danger I would classify this creature as being an 8 or a 9 on the danger rating, and that if encountered, you might become a victim of it's savage nature. Trust me on this one. I mean to be savagely attacked in your own bed by this legendary incubus? Horrifying.. shocking.. Let's just say it's definitely NOT pretty.

Believe me, this is not a creature to be reckoned with.. And the Saturdays are playing 'tag' with this creature? Dangerous stuff Tednut. This one I wouldn't even touch with a 40 foot pole.. Seriously I wouldn't..

:coyote:Yeah, I knew basically what the things was, but I wanted to see your take on it. Those Secret Saturdays sure are brave to take on THAT.

tucsoncoyote

11-07-2008, 06:32 PM

Yeah, I knew basically what the things was, but I wanted to see your take on it. Those Secret Saturdays sure are brave to take on THAT.

Like I said, I'll take my chances with El Chupacabra...after all Popobawa are definitely NOT pretty.. Not pretty at all! Also in a couple weeks we'll have another one of these cryptids that isn't pretty and the legends on this next one are from of all places, Chile.

:coyote:

chdr

11-07-2008, 08:00 PM

Doc just got owned.

Chykin

11-07-2008, 08:09 PM

Any ideas how Argost got to rule the Kuma-, the kimu-, the fish guys?

chdr

11-07-2008, 08:10 PM

Mind control?

Chykin

11-07-2008, 08:17 PM

"Zak says I am not to let you touch the buttons"
Lol. :)

Mr. Ralph

11-07-2008, 08:18 PM

wow zak way to go, shooting your mom like that:sweat::p:p

chdr

11-07-2008, 08:19 PM

I can't say I didn't see it coming, but Zak shooting Drew added with the silence made for a pretty powerful moment.

The Huntsman

11-07-2008, 08:20 PM

wow zak way to go, shooting your mom like that:sweat::p:pIndeed. Though I feel that way because it’s likely leading up to a “very special” message. :sad:

Chykin

11-07-2008, 08:23 PM

Giant sea dragons, the only way to travel! :D

The Huntsman

11-07-2008, 08:29 PM

Indeed. Though I feel that way because it’s likely leading up to a “very special” message. :sad:I have to say that I’m impressed. Instead of taking the cliché “guns are bad, mm’kay” approach, this episode took a “guns should be used responsibly” approach.

chdr

11-07-2008, 08:31 PM

Cool CGI floating Kur Stone for next week's promo. I wonder if they'll use it in any of the YAH bumps.

Chykin

11-07-2008, 08:32 PM

Cool CGI floating Kur Stone for next week's promo. I wonder if they'll use it in any of the YAH bumps.
Huh? I didn't see any cgi kur stone.

chdr

11-07-2008, 08:34 PM

It was at the very beginning, floating inside that golden grid place used for the YAH bumps.

zoombie

11-07-2008, 08:36 PM

creativerealms

11-07-2008, 08:36 PM

I love how this show purposly sets up a situation we have seen in cartoons many times befor and handels it differently. they managed to handle the 'Special message' nicely. you need experiance and maturity to handle such weapons.

Pretty good episode but next weeks looks much better.

Oh and I will just make a guess now, Doyle is the son of Von Rook and Drew.

Racattack!Force

11-07-2008, 08:36 PM

Wait, Zak shot his mom!? :eek: Darn dad, making me rub his back with...I know TFI. :sweat: Well, at least it explains why she's in a cast. Gotta catch the repeat at 10. And I'm just going to guess that Doyle is Drew's long-lost brother.

Comics_the_QB

11-07-2008, 08:38 PM

Drew, No! Are you... okay? :p

Great episode, especially the plot.

Highlights:

-Opening with Zak watching Wierd World
-Africa showdown! (including creepy cyptid!)
-Doc and Drew escaping cell
-Zak, Fisk, and the King kicking but with the Cortex Disruptor
-Sea Monster!
-Argost good as ever (and a little scared too. ;) )
-Munya-- Need I say more?

Next week: The Saturdays track down Argost to stop him from finding Kur when Van Rook and Doyle wreck the party. What plot twists behold this episdoe!?

zoombie

11-07-2008, 08:39 PM

Oh and I will just make a guess now, Doyle is the son of Von Rook and Drew.

I don't know about that, the way the previews looked, it is something Drew doesn't know about yet, and will find out in the next episode. Having a son, is something she would know all along. It is impossible to hide that from a mother for obvious reasons. If Doc had a secret love child that he didn't know about, that is possible.

creativerealms

11-07-2008, 08:39 PM

Holly crap, Argust wins again. Two times he appears, two times he wins. I thought there was another example of why this might be an excellent show. They actully killed off a character. Dam that is hardcore.

As for the next episode, they mention something that will change Drew's life. I think that Drew and Doyle are related, they are probably siblings.

Well characters shown in flashbacks whose purpose is only to move the story along are desposable. The King for example and most of the scientists that went in to stop Argost (Only seven of fifty survived).

Speaking of which i'm glad it was the Prince himself that realized killing argost for revenge was not a good idea. I was afraid Doc was going to talk him out of it.

HEATXZ

11-07-2008, 08:42 PM

Great episode, VV Argost and Munya were awesome,and a fish guy died on a Y7 rating

zoombie

11-07-2008, 08:43 PM

Well characters shown in flashbacks whose purpose is only to move the story along are desposable. The King for example and most of the scientists that went in to stop Argost (Only seven of fifty survived).

Speaking of which i'm glad it was the Prince himself that realized killing argost for revenge was not a good idea. I was afraid Doc was going to talk him out of it.

Well what I mean, they killed off this kid's father, which is kind hardcore for a kids cartoon. A lot of cartoons would have suger coded by either not mentioning him being dead, or have a missing corpse and have him presumed "missing." But no, here they say he is dead, and that is final. I respect the show for that.

tucsoncoyote

11-07-2008, 08:44 PM

Holly crap, Argust wins again. Two times he appears, two times he wins. I thought there was another example of why this might be an excellent show. They actully killed off a character. Dam that is hardcore.

As for the next episode, they mention something that will change Drew's life. I think that Drew and Doyle are related, they are probably siblings.

Don't give away too much, else I'll sick a Popobawa on you.. But seriously.. This show is that hardcore?

Dang.. Time to rethink about this show.. this could be CN's best show to date.

:coyote:

zoombie

11-07-2008, 08:45 PM

Don't give away too much, else I'll sick a Popobawa on you.. But seriously.. This show is that hardcore?

Dang.. Time to rethink about this show.. this could be CN's best show to date.

:coyote:

I am not giving anything away. I am just guessing. If I for some reason saw the next episode already, and knew what happened, that would be different.

But honestly I am just guessing.

creativerealms

11-07-2008, 08:46 PM

Well what I mean, they killed off this kid's father, which is kind hardcore for a kids cartoon. A lot of cartoons would have suger coded by either not mentioning him being dead, or have a missing corpse and have him presumed "missing." But no, here they say he is dead, and that is final. I respect the show for that.

Good point.

Oh and I jumped the gun with Doyle, younger brother is more likely.

chdr

11-07-2008, 08:48 PM

My take is that Drew had a relationship with Doyle before she met Doc.

Racattack!Force

11-07-2008, 08:50 PM

The summary for the next episode pretty much gives away a possible answer. :sweat: He might be Zak's uncle...but he might not. Who knows. But I'm going with the summary.

Drew sees Van Rook's apprentice without his mask and wonders if it is her long-lost brother.

Comics_the_QB

11-07-2008, 08:53 PM

The summary for the next episode pretty much gives away a possible answer. :sweat: He might be Zak's uncle...but he might not. Who knows. But I'm going with the summary.

Kinda ironic, because it seemed in Icern Caverns of Ellef Ringnes Drew and Van Rook seemd to use to have something....

creativerealms

11-07-2008, 08:54 PM

Yep I jumped to conclusions like always.

tucsoncoyote

11-07-2008, 08:56 PM

My take is that Drew had a relationship with Doyle before she met Doc.

Actually I think Drew actually had a relationship at one time with the villain Van Rook rather I mean if you look at the episode, The Ice Caves of Ellef Ringges, Van Rook says "What? No Kisses for me?" Which definitely suggests to me that at one time before Doc met Drew, Van Rook was a former love interest in Drew's Life, and that when she found out what he did, well, she dumped him faster than a hot potato.

That's my take on that.. As for Doyle? I'm guessing that

He's Drew's Younger brother, and thus Zak's uncle by this kind of thought. And because of this, we might see him be more "Anti-hero" rather than villainous apprentice here..

but that's just my thoughts.

But man.. killing in a cartoon? Now that IS Hardcore.. and we thought Bubbles beating up Mojo Jojo was hardcore enough, but killing? Wow.. just... wow...

A new Level of Hardcore is reached.

:coyote:

chdr

11-07-2008, 08:57 PM

It's not like TSS is the first CN show to do this. Didn't Clone Wars have onscreen deaths?

Racattack!Force

11-07-2008, 08:59 PM

It's not like TSS is the first CN show to do this. Didn't Clone Wars have onscreen deaths?Which one? Either way, the Clone Wars weren't original series. TSS seems like the first original to do something like this.

chdr

11-07-2008, 09:00 PM

This one. The second episode, I think.

creativerealms

11-07-2008, 09:12 PM

Well Clonewars has a PG ratings so get can get away with more.

Also there have been deaths in Alien Force. Three at least.

Mala Loba

11-07-2008, 10:08 PM

Wow. A very good episode, and I'm in the school of thought that Doyle's probably Drew's brother as well. They even have the same first initial, don't they?

I am so watching next week. :anime:

zoombie

11-07-2008, 10:11 PM

Wow. A very good episode, and I'm in the school of thought that Doyle's probably Drew's brother as well. They even have the same first initial, don't they?

I am so watching next week. :anime:

One of two things. Either Doyle is Drew's brother, or it is confirmed he is not, and Drew has a lost brother out there somewhere.

But knowing that Drew has a lost younger brother, might be an extra reason, why she is so overprotected of Zak. Granted a son and a brother are very different, but still the fear of losing someone is the same. The sub plot could be about Zak being frustrated with Drew being so overprotective, and learning more about his mom.

pad

11-07-2008, 10:38 PM

This was a pretty good episode. I can't say anything more except I hope if Doyle is Drew's brother he becomes part of the main cast because I'm a fan of Will Friedel.

tucsoncoyote

11-07-2008, 11:41 PM

Whoa.. Now that.. was hardcore.

I mean this is definitely got me thinking that Jay Stephens definitely made this show the way it was because this isn't just "Kiddie fare". I mean if this episode doesn't show what responsibility is all about I don't know what does.

First off, seeing Argost again definitely was a delight.. of course Killing off a king just to get to another piece of the Kur Stone Puzzle was definitely a plus. This just makes the entire series more appealing.

Then there comes the moral side of the story. With Zak thinking having his own Cortex disruptor was a cool idea to Zak, but when he realized what he did, it maybe gave him the shock of realization that with great power comes greater responsibilty. Not only for himself, but for his family.

The Giant Sea monster Even bigger wow..and the Popobawa? Told you they were nasty..(at least they got the design of that creature down to a T.)

But seeing Drew in a cast and bandages, I think Zak finally realized that maybe sometimes it takes maturity to make a character stronger. And maybe that is the story that is in this one.

I say this so far is the best episode to date, Now that we see Doyle's face (from behind the mask), I have to say that next Week's episode will definitely be a plus because now we get an interesting twist in the story plotline.

and I wonder what Cryptids they will be dealing with next week.. But I do have a single nitpick here, and here it is..

Popobawa are male in nature, and they portrayed the animal as a female (hence the eggs). So I think we can allow some liberal discretion here.

But all in all another A if not A- episode here. I mean if this isn't hardcore, I don't know what is...

:coyote:

Kenny E. McCall

11-08-2008, 01:44 AM

This was a pretty good episode. I can't say anything more except I hope if Doyle is Drew's brother he becomes part of the main cast because I'm a fan of Will Friedel.

Plus, it is a mini Kim Possible reunion, seeing that both Nicole Sullivan and Will Friedle were both on that show as Ron Stoppable and Shego.

Now, if Jay Stephens can write a part for Christy Carlson-Romano on the Secret Saturdays, and all is right with the world.

Racattack!Force

11-08-2008, 08:47 AM

Popobawa are male in nature, and they portrayed the animal as a female (hence the eggs). So I think we can allow some liberal discretion here.

But all in all another A if not A- episode here. I mean if this isn't hardcore, I don't know what is...

:coyote:
Well, if they made it male, how would they be able to cover up the...you-know? Jay Stephens did say he had to change some things. :sweat:

tucsoncoyote

11-08-2008, 01:41 PM

Well, if they made it male, how would they be able to cover up the...you-know? Jay Stephens did say he had to change some things. :sweat:

Noted.. Though I have been thinking that maybe just like Real animals, cryptids could have both genders. But maybe the female of the Popobawa isn't as aggressive as its' male counterpart (usually this goes against traditional thinking as usually the female of the species is more dangerous.)

at least that is one theory.. but still playing with a Popobawa? Dangerous stuff Tednut.

As for the story itself? I still say that Jay did a fine job of giving us a bit of "hardcore action" in this episode. I mean Zak really took it hard when he hit his mom with that cortex disruptor. I think maybe that's what made this episode so hard core. I mean how would anyone feel if they accidentally shot their own mother? I think Jay did a darn good job on showing the issues of responsibility dealing with really any weapon.

Next week's episode looks like it deals with family again, only this time it is more along the lines of "how do you deal with a family member who works on the wrong side of the law?"

Just some observations.

:coyote:

DELETED

11-08-2008, 02:12 PM

not enough credit is being given to the masterful storytelling of Story Editor/Writer Brandon Sawyer. Bravo sir, bravo.

this series gets better and better with each episode! it's a shame it's not a breakout hit yet. :shrug:

Racattack!Force

11-08-2008, 02:16 PM

Wow, almost forgot about him. Ironic how we praised the writer of "Guess Who's Going To Be Dinner?", but didn't even acknowledge Sawyer this week. He is an amazing writer and story editor...didn't 40+ people die in the last episode he wrote? O_o

chdr

11-08-2008, 02:24 PM

Does anyone know what Sawyer wrote before TSS?

Racattack!Force

11-08-2008, 02:29 PM

Does anyone know what Sawyer wrote before TSS?He was a story editor and writer on American Dragon: Jake Long, and wrote on Xiaolin Showdown and TMNT 2K3. He also wrote for a few Disney and Nick series.

tucsoncoyote

11-08-2008, 03:33 PM

He was a story editor and writer on American Dragon: Jake Long, and wrote on Xiaolin Showdown and TMNT 2K3. He also wrote for a few Disney and Nick series.

Well Sawyer is a bloody good genius when it comes to writing a good story. Get this man on the payroll for CN! He deserves a raise! I mean to really put this much hardcore action into a show rated TV-Y7FV he deserves some more writing!

Dang, he's good..

:coyote:

Darklordavaitor

11-08-2008, 03:34 PM

tucsoncoyote

11-08-2008, 03:52 PM

Considering Sawyer wrote "Magic Enemy #1" and has "Love Cruise"(a top ten in my book) and "Feeding Frenzy" in his credentials, I think Sawyer has many to be thanked for. And this is only counting ADJL.

Well they definitely over at CN should give him a raise.. after all, this was definitely one of his better stories for TSS. I mean it was one of those episodes that definitely had elements that made this episode hard core including:

Death (Not Implied death, but actual death of the King of Kumari Kandam),
Shock (The Shock of horror on Zak's face after he injures his mom),
Anger (Believe me I thought Doc was going to blow a vein when he told Zak what a stupid stunt he pulled with the Cortex Disruptor),
Compassion (In that same scene rather than getting all into Zak, Doc definitely gives his son a hug..(Something a lot of dads don't do nowadays),
Acceptance (I mean Zak accepting his consequences for his actions..)This definitely shows that Sawyer has a lot of talent to write some really hardcore animated series, and I think that animation should be a little "Darker" than it's usual kiddie fare we all take it so lightly to be. (After all Cartoons never really were "Just for Kids". but still when you look at this episode, this definitely was a thrill ride for it's efforts. Like I said, They should give this writer a raise for his efforts.

:coyote:

Racattack!Force

11-08-2008, 04:08 PM

This definitely shows that Sawyer has a lot of talent to write some really hardcore animated series, and I think that animation should be a little "Darker" than it's usual kiddie fare we all take it so lightly to be. (After all Cartoons never really were "Just for Kids". but still when you look at this episode, this definitely was a thrill ride for it's efforts. Like I said, They should give this writer a raise for his efforts.

:coyote:I have to wonder what Brandon is planing to do after this show ends production. Make his own series? He certainly has the writing skills to do so.

tucsoncoyote

11-08-2008, 04:30 PM

I have to wonder what Brandon is planing to do after this show ends production. Make his own series? He certainly has the writing skills to do so.

I hope they do give him his own show.

Now as for the episode I think the best moment came when you had Doc Literally jumping all over Zak for pulling a stupid stunt of using a cortex disruptor and then a moment later giving his son a hug..I mean this definitely shows to me that a lot of thought and effort was put into that one scene alone for it's dynamics. I mean this one scene alone shows that the Saturday Family is pretty well defined and even Fiskerton had a major role in this one. I kind of grinned when Fiske does a military salute and a bit of a grunt.. But still this episode definitely had it's moments.. I mean Zak was in sheer shock realizing he had just injured his mom even if it were an accident.

I think Brandon Sawyer set the right tone for this one, and I hope they do more with his style of writing.

:coyote:

Mickialla

11-09-2008, 02:03 PM

Cool CGI floating Kur Stone for next week's promo. I wonder if they'll use it in any of the YAH bumps.

It's probably the one and only really creative thing they've done with the bumps so far.

This episode was cool. I did find it a bit weird that all the Kumari, even Ulraj, had what looked like mustaches made of seaweed. :sweat: Argost makes a triumphant return, though I still am wondering how he got the support of the Kumari in the first place, that's the one thing they should've mentioned Doc called the Kumari "noble" which means that they probably don't have a history of being evil or violent. Zak shooting Drew was unexpected and kinda caught me off guard, especially with the silence that followed. Fisk continues to be really funny; Diedrich Bader is doing an awesome job voicing him; everything he says makes me laugh. I don't think we're completely done with Ulraj or the Kumari yet, since that red demon thing that came out of the amulet was never explained and Argost got away with the amulet too. I wonder if the Kumari people are still under control of Argost or if they realized he was tricking them. It almost seems like next week's episode is a continuation of this episode, since both are underwater. And the Drew-Doyle-Van Rook mystery makes me curious, we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

Anyways, while TSS seems like more of a comedy-action than an action-comedy to me, this is still a great cartoon.

Comics_the_QB

11-09-2008, 02:44 PM

Yeah it does seem more like a comedy-action, but the preview for next weeks episode looks like it's full of action. Basically everything they showed in the preview was either exploding, ripping apart, or cryptids. Plus Argost and Van Rook together in the same episode? Trouble.

tucsoncoyote

11-09-2008, 03:18 PM

It's probably the one and only really creative thing they've done with the bumps so far.

This episode was cool. I did find it a bit weird that all the Kumari, even Ulraj, had what looked like mustaches made of seaweed. :sweat: Argost makes a triumphant return, though I still am wondering how he got the support of the Kumari in the first place, that's the one thing they should've mentioned Doc called the Kumari "noble" which means that they probably don't have a history of being evil or violent. Zak shooting Drew was unexpected and kinda caught me off guard, especially with the silence that followed. Fisk continues to be really funny; Diedrich Bader is doing an awesome job voicing him; everything he says makes me laugh. I don't think we're completely done with Ulraj or the Kumari yet, since that red demon thing that came out of the amulet was never explained and Argost got away with the amulet too. I wonder if the Kumari people are still under control of Argost or if they realized he was tricking them. It almost seems like next week's episode is a continuation of this episode, since both are underwater. And the Drew-Doyle-Van Rook mystery makes me curious, we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

Anyways, while TSS seems like more of a comedy-action than an action-comedy to me, this is still a great cartoon.

Well I'm going to clear up some of the issues with the Kumari Kandamites first...

Now the Kumari are in fact really like Argost stated in the opening moments a race that much like it's sister civilization (Atlantis) sank below the ocean waves (If you go back to page one and look at Post #2) I stated that the Kumari Kandamites were actually "The Lemurians" (as our own western civilizations call them and in fact the Lemurians were in a way an aquatic people (hence the seaweed moustaches).

Now are the Kumari violent? Well according to what information I have gleened from a number of mythological studies, the Kumari are really not a hostile race unless provoked by some act upon them. In fact the Lemurian legends only point to the act of agression if only provoked.. Since Argost staged this whole thing (probably with robotic subs), he convinced the Lemurians (er Kumari) that they were being attacked, so naturally an agressive action was needed.

But Argost's motives were not to get the Kumari to provoke war, but rather to lure the real King (in this case Uraj by means of succession) to hand over the talisman that holds yet another key to Kur (the Sumerian Snake God and probably a huge cryptid to boot).

In short Argost staged the entire thing for just that purpose.

Now as for the rest of the commentary, I will point out that Fiske while having his funnier moments did have a few serious moments too. In short I liked when he wanted to balk at busting into the weapons vault to break out the cortex disruptors because maybe he's not as silly as he looks. Fiske can be sometimes the moralistic side of the ramifications that Zak could get himself into .. Funny he is, but he does have a more serious side..

I also think that moment of silence when Drew got hit by the cortex disruptor beam was in a way put there just for emphasis, and in fact I think Brandon Sawyer (the writer) did this for just that purpose. I mean how would any 11 year old kid react to the fact that he just shot his own mother. In fact, how would anyone react to such a traumatizing event. What really sold the point home though was Doc's little "How could you do such a reckless thing, Zak!" speech before he actually showed some empathy and gave Zak a hug. I think that one scene coupled along with the shock scene really drives the point home for the kids, whic is "Never play with dangerous weapons or this might happen." Good writing and good portrayal of the consequences definitely show that this show isn't a slouch when it comes to the issues at hand. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if in 10 years some parental group either awards this show an honor just for this episode, or gets it banned for being "Too violent." But for the moment, I feel that they did a great job of showing the consequences of "gunplay" and they did it with a style so well done it can only mean the show is going to go up from here..

At least that's my take on that.

As for next week? This next week takes a look and I bet we'll have a back story here as we'll be looking more into Drew's side of the family and also maybe it may answer why she and Doc got married..or as I like to say,

stay tooned..

:coyote:

Racattack!Force

11-09-2008, 04:26 PM

Personally, I think this episode is more than worthy for an Annie nomination. :shrug:

chdr

11-09-2008, 04:33 PM

If a regular episode of TSS is this good, I wonder how the inevitable two-parter that closes out the Kur arc will be.

Mickialla

11-09-2008, 04:48 PM

Well I'm going to clear up some of the issues with the Kumari Kandamites first...

Now the Kumari are in fact really like Argost stated in the opening moments a race that much like it's sister civilization (Atlantis) sank below the ocean waves (If you go back to page one and look at Post #2) I stated that the Kumari Kandamites were actually "The Lemurians" (as our own western civilizations call them and in fact the Lemurians were in a way an aquatic people (hence the seaweed moustaches).

Now are the Kumari violent? Well according to what information I have gleened from a number of mythological studies, the Kumari are really not a hostile race unless provoked by some act upon them. In fact the Lemurian legends only point to the act of agression if only provoked.. Since Argost staged this whole thing (probably with robotic subs), he convinced the Lemurians (er Kumari) that they were being attacked, so naturally an agressive action was needed.

But Argost's motives were not to get the Kumari to provoke war, but rather to lure the real King (in this case Uraj by means of succession) to hand over the talisman that holds yet another key to Kur (the Sumerian Snake God and probably a huge cryptid to boot).

In short Argost staged the entire thing for just that purpose.

Now as for the rest of the commentary, I will point out that Fiske while having his funnier moments did have a few serious moments too. In short I liked when he wanted to balk at busting into the weapons vault to break out the cortex disruptors because maybe he's not as silly as he looks. Fiske can be sometimes the moralistic side of the ramifications that Zak could get himself into .. Funny he is, but he does have a more serious side..

I also think that moment of silence when Drew got hit by the cortex disruptor beam was in a way put there just for emphasis, and in fact I think Brandon Sawyer (the writer) did this for just that purpose. I mean how would any 11 year old kid react to the fact that he just shot his own mother. In fact, how would anyone react to such a traumatizing event. What really sold the point home though was Doc's little "How could you do such a reckless thing, Zak!" speech before he actually showed some empathy and gave Zak a hug. I think that one scene coupled along with the shock scene really drives the point home for the kids, whic is "Never play with dangerous weapons or this might happen." Good writing and good portrayal of the consequences definitely show that this show isn't a slouch when it comes to the issues at hand. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if in 10 years some parental group either awards this show an honor just for this episode, or gets it banned for being "Too violent." But for the moment, I feel that they did a great job of showing the consequences of "gunplay" and they did it with a style so well done it can only mean the show is going to go up from here..

At least that's my take on that.

As for next week? This next week takes a look and I bet we'll have a back story here as we'll be looking more into Drew's side of the family and also maybe it may answer why she and Doc got married..or as I like to say,

stay tooned..

:coyote:

Ok, cool. I agree that Fisk has a more serious side. Like how he reacted to Drew and Doc being captured, he feared for Zak's safety and so he took them to the airship and refused to go back...I think that's what happened at least. But it's Fisk's funny side that makes him such a terrific character.

Racattack!Force

11-09-2008, 05:33 PM

Ok, cool. I agree that Fisk has a more serious side. Like how he reacted to Drew and Doc being captured, he feared for Zak's safety and so he took them to the airship and refused to go back...I think that's what happened at least. But it's Fisk's funny side that makes him such a terrific character.Actually, it's Drew that told them to get into the airship and leave. Fiskerton wanted to help save them, but he just followed orders.

tucsoncoyote

11-09-2008, 05:40 PM

Actually, it's Drew that told them to get into the airship and leave. Fiskerton wanted to help save them, but he just followed orders.

Correct and in fact in the next scene aboard the airship, You see Fiskerton looking a bit dejected that he couldn't help. I mean Fiskerton does have his humorous moments, but he also has a rather serious side too. I mean in Guess who's going to be Dinner, Zak protected Fiskerton from Piecemeal by stating he's his brother and I bet that in return Fiske did the same thing to help Zak from Piecemeal when he threatened to harm Zak. In short, Fiskerton isn't only funny, he has a protective big brother side to him.

(and I have a feeling we'll be seeing more protection from Fiske..

:coyote:

Racattack!Force

11-09-2008, 05:46 PM

I mean in Guess who's going to be Dinner, Zak protected Fiskerton from Piecemeal by stating he's his brother and I bet that in return Fiske did the same thing to help Zak from Piecemeal when he threatened to harm Zak.In that same episode, after Zak told him to escape the house from the flight deck, Fisk came back and pretty much wrestled Piecemeal onto the ground and down an elevator shaft before Piecemeal could eat Zak's head.

tucsoncoyote

11-09-2008, 06:19 PM

In that same episode, after Zak told him to escape the house from the flight deck, Fisk came back and pretty much wrestled Piecemeal onto the ground and down an elevator shaft before Piecemeal could eat Zak's head.

Well then this brings up an interesting question.. after all who's more overprotective of Zak? Drew (Zak's Mom), or Fiskerton (who Zak thinks of as a big brother?)

:coyote:

Racattack!Force

11-09-2008, 06:23 PM

Well then this brings up an interesting question.. after all who's more overprotective of Zak? Drew (Zak's Mom), or Fiskerton (who Zak thinks of as a big brother?)

:coyote:Definitely Drew. Can I add that in the pilot, Fisk refused to throw Zak off the airship toward Argost, worried that Zak could die. :shrug:

Comics_the_QB

11-09-2008, 06:24 PM

Well then this brings up an interesting question.. after all who's more overprotective of Zak? Drew (Zak's Mom), or Fiskerton (who Zak thinks of as a big brother?)

:coyote:

Drew.

She wouldn't let Zak go off in a growing storm, goof off, go onto a plane's wing, Let him run around the house in the dark without a babysitter with a phyco, watch Wierd World and of course use a cortex disrupter like he does.

Racattack!Force

11-09-2008, 06:26 PM

Drew.

She wouldn't let Zak go off in a growing storm, goof off, go onto a plane's wing, Let him run around the house in the dark without a babysitter, watch Wierd World and of course use a cortex disrupter like he does.
Three of those things could cause potential death. Should I remind you of Piecemeal? :shrug:

Comics_the_QB

11-09-2008, 06:28 PM

Three of those things could cause potential death. Should I remind you of Piecemeal? :shrug:

Creepy dude...

tucsoncoyote

11-09-2008, 11:47 PM

Three of those things could cause potential death. Should I remind you of Piecemeal? :shrug:

At least Piecemeal was trying to have a Fiskerton Hairball sandwich.. hold the mayo. But as for Zak? I think Drew is the kind of doting mom who still calls her son "Baby boy", even though he's 11, and yet you have Fiskerton who's like the older brother who sometimes doesn't mind taking the heat for some of Zak's little incidents. (After all he took the blame for the fireworks incident, right?)

:coyote:

Ultra8

11-10-2008, 03:54 AM

Racattack!Force

11-10-2008, 06:49 AM

Grodd

11-10-2008, 02:26 PM

Though I got to wonder why didn't they take a picture of the Kur stone back before they cut it up so they wouldn't be at a loss for what Argost's next moves are. Kinda practical but then I guess we would have a different story.

My first reaction was, "Hey, good point!" But then I remembered that they were cutting up the stone to keep the Kur secret safe, even from themselves. Would've defeated the purpose to have a backup with all the information stored on it.

tucsoncoyote

11-10-2008, 05:39 PM

A good episode and as usual I've been enlightened and a bit freightened by Tucsoncoyote's info.
Though I got to wonder why didn't they take a picture of the Kur stone back before they cut it up so they wouldn't be at a loss for what Argost's next moves are. Kinda practical but then I guess we would have a different story.

Hey Seriously do you really want to know what a Popobawa is? I looked it up, and I said, "Dang are the Saturdays NUTS to play with this dangerous creature"? Of course I rank the danger level of each creature based on what information I have..

And speaking of cryptids, I'm going to go back and give you one of the lesser dangerous creatures (the Cameroon Flashlight Frog). This little amphibian is in fact an ingenious little creature as it has a luminescent horn on the end of it's nose.. what is this horn used for? Well to atrract insects to the frog so it can eat them (talk about moths to a flame.) From what reports I have on this creature the only defensive mechanism it does have is it's toxic saliva, which can actually paralyze it's prey..(So if Komodo had digested that frog it would have gotten him ill.. Probably wouldn't have killed him but still the danger factor on this creature is a lot less than the Zanzibarian Popobawa (a Mere 4 on a scale of 1-10, versus the 8 or 9 for the Popbawa.)

So believe me, some of the animals and cryptids the Saturdays study aren't that bad.. but some like the Popobawa? Like I said, Wouldn't touch them with a 40 foot pole..

(Maybe I should in my next cryptozoology lesson give out a danger rating for each creature encountered.)

My first reaction was, "Hey, good point!" But then I remembered that they were cutting up the stone to keep the Kur secret safe, even from themselves. Would've defeated the purpose to have a backup with all the information stored on it.

And considering that Argost could have easily gotten that data stolen a lot quicker makes the story less interesting.. After all having all the pieces of the puzzle would have been more interesting..(I also went back to the original Kur Stone story and I noted one thing.. Arthur Beeman (the UFOlogist from Guess who's going to be Dinner), was one of the seven members who survived the raid on Argost's house.

Also another point.. why didn't they break the stone up into 6 or 7 pieces rather than just 3? I mean it woudl have made Argost's attempt to recover it a LOT harder?

:coyote:

Racattack!Force

11-10-2008, 05:46 PM

Probably wouldn't have killed him but still the danger factor on this creature is a lot less than the Zanzibarian Popobawa (a Mere 4 on a scale of 1-10, versus the 8 or 9 for the Popbawa.)That could be the threat for a whole bunch of Cameroon Flashlight Frogs, but a single one? Maybe just a 2. ;)

Mickialla

11-10-2008, 05:51 PM

Also another point.. why didn't they break the stone up into 6 or 7 pieces rather than just 3? I mean it woudl have made Argost's attempt to recover it a LOT harder?

:coyote:

Yet another point. Why didn't they just DESTROY the stone all together. They could've crumbled it up into little pieces and sprinkled it over their lawns. Ah, but then, we'd have no plot.

Racattack!Force

11-10-2008, 06:54 PM

Also another point.. why didn't they break the stone up into 6 or 7 pieces rather than just 3? I mean it woudl have made Argost's attempt to recover it a LOT harder?Ah, but would we get award-winning lines such as "Zak said not to let you touch the buttons." or the epic and emotional scene of Drew getting shot...by her own son? :confused:

DELETED

11-10-2008, 08:43 PM

besides, the number 3 is one of, if not the most symbolic number, next to the number 7.

tucsoncoyote

11-11-2008, 01:09 AM

Ah, but would we get award-winning lines such as "Zak said not to let you touch the buttons." or the epic and emotional scene of Drew getting shot...by her own son? :confused:

Well considering that the first 26 episodes will deal with the entire Argost/Kur arc, it could have been possible that Argost could have in theory gone after each of the 7 pieces, one step at a time and the Kumari Kandam episode could have been played up as part of a filler episode (like it was). I mean they could have had argost get the first 3 pieces from the first three Scientists then slowly over the entire arc accquired the remaining 4. After all, we're just 6 episodes in and at that rate, Argost could have gotten all 7 by the time episode 22 or so came around.

But then I think you are right about one thing, and that is that we would miss out on some of the other aspects of the show, most notably next weeks episode where we figure out if Doyle (Van Rook's apprentice) is really

Drew's younger brother thus Zak's uncle.

After all the character development is progresing nicely and thus we could see some epic battle come up come the final few episodes of this 26 episode arc.

(Also this makes me wonder if the Kumari will return.)

:coyote:

Racattack!Force

11-11-2008, 08:14 AM

tucsoncoyote

11-11-2008, 03:04 PM

I don't think that Kumari Kandam was a filler episode. After all, the medallion that Argost was after is major part in finding and unleashing Kur's power. Since the Argost goal in this episode adds to the overall story arc, I don't think this could be a filler. However, if they did break it up into seven pieces, then it's likely we wouldn't get this episode the Kandamites. :shrug: And plus, the pilot wouldn't really make much sense, since the Saturdays wanted to stop him from getting all of the Kur Stone. If there were four more pieces, the entire story arc might be played out differently.

It might be. or it might stay the same. Who knows? After all how on earth did Argost know about Kumari Kandam without one of the more vital pieces? I mean each of the three pieces here holds a part of the key to finding Kur, yet since Argost has all three, he should be able to figure this one out a lot quicker and thus instead of 26 episode, we only get 13.

But still when you look at the incident where Argost stages the attack on Kumari Kandam it's interesting to note that the real thing he's after is in fact that medallion..(and it's odd that Drew Saturday knows Sumerian else they wouldn't have figured out that cryptic warning that was mentioned..

It's also doubly ironic that once they do recover the medallion from Argost (or at least try to recover it as they could in theory destroy it..) that they will have a key to unlocking the whereabouts of Kur.

Either way the intriguing thing is this.. Will the Kumari return later in this arc to help out? Or will they be so paranoid of the 'surface dwellers' that they will take a blind eye to this? After all Sure the stakes are high, but then the real question is this: Will Kumari Kandam interviene at some point?

:coyote: