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Gpoliceman
03-04-2002, 05:35 PM
Hey there everybody!

Gpoliceman here. I was thinking about the JL and Tom Daschle all at the same time Sunday night during War World Part 2. You see, I had just got done listening to him speak on Fox News at 6:30, and then switched right to JL at 7:00 on cartoon network. So with that, I had politics on my mind while watching a Superhero cartoon.........so I gots to thinking.......


What do you think the politics of the Justice League characters would be if they were real people?

I think this is an interesting question.....

However, I would like those who ponder it with me to not just stick to their biases.

Like don't just say they're all Democrats or all Republicans because you're a Democrat or a Republican.

That would be wrong........hehehe............

Actually, I think that since the JL is more formally known as the Justice League of America that it would be appropriate for the Justice League to be composed of half Republicans and half Democrats just to make things equal.....

.......so with that.......here's what I think:

Republicans:
1. Batman
2. Green Lantern
3. Hawkgirl

Democrats:
1. Superman
2. Wonder Woman
3. Flash

And finally.......the mediator between the two groups is Martian Manhunter. It makes sense. Even though Wonder Woman and Hawkgirl are both from different planets, I get the feeling with their characters that there's many similarities between their worlds and Earth (Hawgirl and military ideals, Wonder Woman and women's rights.....lol). I actually feel that Mars and Jon Jonzz had the most different life than those from Earth. I feel he's the most isolated in the group, even though he's not the only one from another planet. For that reason, I feel his politics back on Mars were probably dramatically different, therefore he should mediate between the two groups if they should ever get into a heated debate.

So that's my reasoning for Martian Manhunter.......

Now here are my others.......

Green Lantern and Hawkgirl are both military leaders. They know that politicians dont belong on the battlefield and would probably disagree with what I heard Tom Daschle talk about Sunday night about how he wants more specifics when it comes to America's war on terrorism. I feel they would give the Republican answer and say "War is Hell. There's no way to give specifics on the battlefield. General Ideas are all we can supply. So sad, too bad".
They are tough cookies, and probably don't give a hoot about doing things on their own (as where Democrats want to make sure American has their allies at their side at all times). For those reasons, I see them as Republicans. Even though John Stewart is African American and I believe the last stat I heard like 80% of African Americans are democrats, I still think his military attitude and great acheivements in life would supercede all that.

Superman, on the other hand, I can see being the EXACT OPPOSITE of all this. He would whine, want allies, not want to do anything to rash. Even though he doesn't use his brain often enough, I don't see him as somebody like Green Lantern. I don't really have any reasons to pin him as a democrat, I would just predict it. I dont know. Tell me if you think I'm wrong. It's just my intuition.

Wonder Woman, who's home planet is only inhabited by women, is all about women's rights like I said so I doubt she would be a republican ordering women to go back to bible times and be subservient to men, don't get a job, be a housewife and not independent, single mother, working girls. She has to be a democrat, and since her and Superman SHOULD be intimately involved, I doubt Superman would differ in politics.
QUESTION: How do the people on Wonder Woman's world reproduce if they're all women? Assexual reproduction?

Flash is too much of a party person to be conservative. I can picture him in college having keg parties every night and never holding a reserved position on any subject. What do you think? I think he's a democrat for sure.

Okay, I save him for last because he's the HARDEST to figure out. Batman. Here's what I think: He's either Republican or neither Republican nor a Democrat. Why? Because first of all, neither Democrats nor Republicans approve of vigilantes. That leads me to think that Batman might be Independent, however, then I think that his alter ego......Bruce Wayne......is most DEFINITELY a registered Democrat. With that, since Batman is his real self and the opposite of the mask he puts on as Bruce Wayne, then I think he's a republican at heart.

Weird huh?

Here's more: Bruce Wayne, I think, is definitely a democrat. He's a millionaire playboy. We've seen him give back to the poor left and right, not that Republicans don't care about the poor, but they are more tough lined about it, telling the homeless to get a job or to get out of their face. Bruce Wayne does not do this. Second, he's a celebrity, and like 90% of celebrities in Hollywood are democrats nowadays. Hollywood is totally liberal. Bruce Wayne is Gotham City's celebrity, therefore, he's probably a liberal too. And then just the fact that as Bruce Wayne he is totally a flirtatous male giggilo with basically no hard line conservative puritan-derived morals makes me think he's a democrat for sure..........He has a new girlfriend every day and ends up in bed with her faster than you can blink. He's a democrat. Lol.

........now it gets confusing.......

Bruce Wayne is the mask, Batman is the real person. So does that make Bruce Wayne playing democrat when he's really a republican?

maybe.

It's so hard to tell with neither Reps nor Dems approving of vigilantes, however, as a man who has taken matters into his own hands, beating up criminals left and right to teach them the message the courts and cops aren't getting through to them.......basically with Batman being TOUGH JUSTICE, and Democrats nowadays screaming about the rights of the perpatrators of a crime, and not the victims (ala, the Andrea Yates case), I think Batman is probably a Republican who has gotten sick of people caring about the rights of the Joker since he may have been abused as a child.

I think Batman, like Green Lantern, and Hawkgirl would say "I dont care what happened to him as a child. I want him put away forever."I really dont think Batman is the type of person to care about the rights of the insane, such as the case with Andrea Yates and her trial. Too many of Batman's enemies are.....just that.....insane! I dont think he feels they should be put back on the streets.

The only one maybe would be Two-Face......but that's only because they once held a personal relationship together before Harvey Dent became Twoface and went nuts.

but not those like the Joker.

That's more conservative like.

Also, he's in with the police. He loves the police. Police are usually Republicans. They know the beat, how things work, how criminals get off and how it's wrong. Batman knows that rap too. Batman and the cops make a good team.

However, Batman refuses to take a life, and what's with all the side kicks? What does it say about Batman's politics if he allows Dick Grayson or Jason Todd or Tim Drake at such young ages to put their life on the line? Is that conservative or liberal? I feel it's more conservative. Batman treats his teammates like a rough General Patton in the army. It's his way or the high way. The Robins are disciplined like crazy. There's no room for failure when Batman is your boss.

So with all that, if he's not a Republican at heart, then he's Independent. I actually don't care which one. I actually feel that as a man who has spent his whole life training to be a vigilante he has politics that dont match Republicans or Democrats.....but whatever....

Anyhow, so that's what I think and why........

What do you think? And if I offended anybody in this post with my sum up of Democrat and Republican viewpoints I apologize in advance.

PS: Is President Lex Luthor in the comics Democrat or Republican?

Manhunter
03-04-2002, 05:44 PM
Well, Batman isn't too big on guns, so I doubt he's a Republican...

The Flash
03-04-2002, 05:44 PM
Dude, I'm seriously offended. I am a conservative, please, don't call me a democrat. Besides the first sentance, I'm being very damn serious. :)

Naraht
03-04-2002, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by The Flash
Dude, I'm seriously offended. I am a conservative, please, don't call me a democrat. Besides the first sentance, I'm being very damn serious. :)

Umm, he was talking about the character, not the TZer...>=p

The Flash
03-04-2002, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by naraht


Umm, he was talking about the character, not the TZer...>=p

Like I didn't know that? ;)

Naraht
03-04-2002, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by The Flash


Like I didn't know that? ;)

I knew you knew that, didn't you know?



If you could follow that..could you clue me in, cause I'm lost

ZorBrak
03-04-2002, 06:34 PM
GPolice I don't wish to start a flame war but by the way you describe what you think a conservative is, I can tell your a democrat or a liberal. I would not say I am a %100 republican, but I KNOW I'm not a democrat or a liberal. Considering I can spectate both parties, I can tell you that your description of Republicans is seriously inaccurate and steryotypical. I may be wrong but it serously comes off in an almost obvious tone that your a liberal. Last time I checked I didn't tell the homeless to get out of my face or want women to serve me or any of the extreme crap that you described, those are very ignorant and unfair comments maybe I should say that the democrats tend to lie to, cheat and steal from a hoodwinked lower class? I would say a conservative is someone who doesn't like the socialistic ideals, and tends to rather have freedom and control over where there money goes, if it doesn't go to the poor that is their buisness, after all it's their money. The large majority republicans and conservatives are more generous than CNN would want you to beleive, conservatives give money and help causes, just not through government run programs, because the government can rip you off and may even spend your money on causes you disagee with other than the ones you think your supporting. The Republican party, is not racist or bigotted, and the funny thing is if we want to be steryotypical democrats are the ones who would mistreat people such as the homeless, by taking advantage of their vote offering them bribes and promsing them things to be funded (with my tax money) and then not even fufilling them. and the conservatives don't party comment is so extrmely steryotypcial. A steryotype that may misinfrom you, which started by idiots like Bill Maher, Dennis Miller, ABC, CNN, and NBC. Before you evaluate someone elses political stance, make sure you get your own facts on republicans and conservatives strait...hope theres no hard feelings

The Flash
03-04-2002, 06:39 PM
>thumbs up< Well said, Zor.

ZorBrak
03-04-2002, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by The Flash
>thumbs up< Well said, Zor.


well, just trying to inform those who were misinformed by foolishly biased media and schools, that's all ^^...PS while we are on the subject...if anyone here is still in highschool, I have noticed something, you may have too....does it seem like your English class has become nothing more than a liberal ideals class now?

The Flash
03-04-2002, 06:51 PM
That's why I'm homeschooled!!! :)

The Green Hornet
03-04-2002, 08:13 PM
this whole discussion offends me not only a political moderate but as someone who has a parent, other family members, and good friends who are teachers (my own mother was an english teacher for 10+ years before switching to gifted education), as someone who has worked in the media (radio, television, and newspaper), for US Senator, and for various politcal causes

i hope Jim or Maxie kills this thread.

The Flash
03-04-2002, 08:16 PM
I had a feeling it would offend some ppl. (if offened me at first) But as long as everybody keep their cool... I don't think it should be locked or deleted.

Gpoliceman
03-04-2002, 09:22 PM
This goes mostly to Zorbrak........

First of all, I think this is ridiculous. I said in my post that I apologized in advance if I offended anybody, and then all of a sudden I got a bunch of replies to my post about how people are offended. That makes sense, right?

All I wanted to know was what superheroes you thought were Democrat or Republican. Geeze lousie! So much antipathy coming at me now!

First of all, to Zorbrak, you're wrong, I am not a liberal, I actually am a very conversative person. When I said in my original post that I had just gotten done listening Senator Majority leader and Democrat Tom Dachle I refrained from mentioning that I disagreed with just about everything I heard him say. I agreed with Fox News Achor Brit Hume's opinion on Tom's dillemas with President Bush, all conservative viewpoints.

Name an issue and 98% chance I'll take the conservative viewpoint. Hey, I'm listening to Bill O' Reily on the television as we speak.

I was using, yes I admit, stereotypical examples for Democrats and Republicans simply to categorize what I meant when figuring out which heroes were Republican and which were Democrats. I was doing it just to get the point across just so people could have the gist of the idea of what I meant when they wrote up their post. However, I think a lot of my ideas do have some truth to them. Gosh darn! I think stereotypes in general hold some underlined truth to them!

Plus, if you really go back and reread my original post you'll find that I totally criticize Democrats. I don't even know where you got the anti-Republican message from. I thought it was pretty evident I was a republican from the get-go.

Check this out:

When I said.........."Green Lantern and Hawkgirl are both military leaders. They know that politicians dont belong on the battlefield and would probably disagree with what I heard Tom Daschle talk about Sunday night about how he wants more specifics when it comes to America's war on terrorism."

When I said this, I agree with Green Lantern and Hawkgirl! Plus I agree that if America has to go it alone in the war on terrorism then so be it. Tom Daschle would totally disagree with me there, and just about everything else I think.

When I said.........."Even though John Stewart is African American and I believe the last stat I heard like 80% of African Americans are democrats, I still think his military attitude and great acheivements in life would supercede all that."

When I said that.......well......IT'S TRUE. Most African Americans are democrats! Sorry, but that's a fact. In a recent poll, African Americans appointed Bill Clinton a better president than Abraham Lincoln. I couldn't believe it at first either! Get my picture though? I was right when I stated most African Americans are democrats. It's a fact, not a stereotype.

When I said......."Wonder Woman, who's home planet is only inhabited by women, is all about women's rights like I said so I doubt she would be a republican ordering women to go back to bible times and be subservient to men, don't get a job, be a housewife and not independent, single mother, working girls. She has to be a democrat"

When I said that......I also think that's true. I am a conservative and I hate the fact that my liberal history teacher didn't allow us to do our two minutes of pray President Bush asked America to take part in days after the September 11th attacks. Democrats don't want religious influence OVER ANYTHING. Not a stereotype, a fact. Most democrats want a very secular society, most of the democrat Supreme Court Justices would love to rip away all that Old Testement stuff they have hanging in their courts. Democrats rule against publically owned facilities to display the ten commandments even though they are universally accepted, not just christian accepted, ways to live life morally. Republicans naturally bring God back into the government sector, back into the homes, back into family values. That's seen with the abortion debate, the schools, and all sorts of other stuff. Again, not a stereotype, a fact. Therefore, I do not think Wonder Woman would appreciate it.

When I said......"Flash is too much of a party person to be conservative. I can picture him in college having keg parties every night and never holding a reserved position on any subject. What do you think? I think he's a democrat for sure."

When I said that, I was criticizing democrats. Like religious issues, I find democrats more and moreso incompetent or unwilling to debate in issues of morality. So when I said Flash is a democrat because he has keg parties, that's criticism. I am eighteen years old, and I've never been drunk in my life. So again, I don't know how you could blast my post as being too liberal for you. I thought it was very conservative. You just don't know me.

And the list goes on and on. Bruce Wayne is a democrat because he always has a babe at his side, he's immoral, and so forth and so on. Once again, I don't where you saw I was being too liberal for you. If anything, I basically said that Republicans are hardheaded and democrats are immoral. I rather be hardheaded, how about you?

I talked about how democrats care more about the perpetrators of crimes nowadays and republicans care about the victims, and I related that to the Andrea Yates case. I thought it was obvious there that its ridiculous, in my view, to side with the perpetrator of crimes.

I said a bunch of other stuff, and criticized democrats WAY more than Republicans.

So I'm sorry again, and I hope somebody actually posts a reply to my original message instead of just questioning MY politics.

Once again, the question was: Which characters on JL do you think are republicans? Which do you think are Democrats?

I thought this was a totally reasonable question.

Of course my political biases were going to show, everybody's biases are going to show and Zorbrak illustrated that as did I.

Basically, I just didn't think it was fair to state that all the team is Democrat or all the team is Republican just because you favored one party more than the other.

Even though my biases showed, I didn't go that far. I said half the team was democrats, half composed of republicans.

I thought that was fair enough, and I hope we can just forget all this bickering now and just think about the reasonable question of what heroes are members of what party.

Now can anybody please reply to my original post or are we now going to say that I'm too conservative for this thread to go on in a normal fashion?

Thanks

PS to Zorbrak: Bill Mahr is Independent. He's not a democrat, and I think he's kinda an idiot because he's for legalizing drugs.
Gpoliceman

The Green Hornet
03-04-2002, 09:27 PM
more proof that this thread should be deleted

politics and comics have no business together

cant we all enjoy our favorite superheroes without having to associate them with social and international issues?

Naraht
03-04-2002, 09:29 PM
There's a reason one shouldn't bring up politics...gets ppls feathers ruffled...

I haven't read all of the posts in this thread...but...

look, people get riled up over politics...for instance, you bashed Bill Mahr for wanting to legalize drugs...which is something I'm all for...

but this is neither the place nor the time to discuss this...

(feel free to PM me, and I'll discuss all you want..)

The Green Hornet
03-04-2002, 09:31 PM
thank you naraht

Brian Cruz
03-04-2002, 10:03 PM
Hmm, we need more mods.

Anyway, there's a rule (http://forums.toonzone.net/misc.php?s=&action=showrules) against political discussions, and this is the reason why. It can never be civil. So I'll go ahead and close this.