Digimon Adventure Zero on Crunchyroll - "The One Who Inherits Courage" [10/27/08]

[River26]

Since the 1st ep of Digimon's 2nd season was this week. What do you guys think :)?

Well, even before Digimon aired this season in the U.S, I wish they had these theme songs. Like if FUNimation had control of the franchise instead of jetix [Disney]. Then we'd be hearing really good japanese songs translated into english.

[veemonjosh]

For the first time ever, Digimon can be viewed in all it's uncut glory, legally and for free. :D

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Episode 1: "The One Who Inherits Courage"

Last time: The Chosen Children had finally defeated everyone: Devimon, Etemon, Vamdemon, the Dark Masters, and even Apocalymon himself. But there was a catch...the gate between the worlds was closing, and if they didn't leave, they would be trapped forever! So, with a tearful farewell, the children and their Digimon parted ways (at least, until the Diablomon incident)...

But, three years later, someone has opened the gate once more. An evil person who calls himself the "Digimon Kaizer"...

This time: http://www.crunchyroll.com/media-475166/Digimon-Adventure-02-Episode-1.html


Human Characters:

http://digipedia.db-destiny.net/encyc/images/davis_full.jpg Daisuke Motomiya - A soccer player that looks up to Taichi. He has a huge crush on Hikari, and hates Takeru.
http://digipedia.db-destiny.net/encyc/images/tk2.jpg Takeru Takaishi - One of the original eight Chosen Children. His big brother is Yamato and his best friend is Hikari.
http://digipedia.db-destiny.net/encyc/images/kari2.jpg Hikari Yagami - Doesn't possess a Death Note, but she is one of the original eight Chosen Children. Her big brother is Taichi and her best friend is Takeru.

http://digipedia.db-destiny.net/encyc/images/tai2.jpgTaichi Yagami - The original leader of the Chosen Children and a soccer player. He has never cut his hair, not even once.

http://digipedia.db-destiny.net/encyc/images/izzy2.jpg Koushiro Izumi - One of the original eight Chosen Children, Koushiro is a huge computer nerd who is still extremely fascinated by the Digital World. However, he is also trying to keep it a secret from Miyako and Iori, who are putting their noses in stuff they shouldn't know...or should they?

http://digipedia.db-destiny.net/encyc/images/emperor.jpg Digimon Kaizer - The mysterious villain of this arc.

Digimon Characters -

http://digipedia.db-destiny.net/encyc/images/agumon.jpg Agumon - Taichi's Digimon. He possesses a brave personality and a leadership similar to his partner. He can evolve into Greymon.

http://digipedia.db-destiny.net/encyc/images/patamon.jpg Patamon - Takeru's Digimon. Patamon, like Takeru, was originally afraid of fighing, but has since gained hope in winning battles. He can evolve into Angemon.

http://digipedia.db-destiny.net/encyc/images/gatomon.jpg Tailmon - Hikari's Digimon. She used to work for Vamdemon, but eventually helped to silence him with the light. She can no longer evolve, but she is the evolved form of Plotmon.

http://skullgreymon.exteen.com/images/Digi-egg_of_Courage.jpg ??? - This egg is a mysterious legendary object with a Digimon inside. Sort of like a sharp Wonderball, but without chocolate.

Discuss! :D

Edit: Could someone put "Zero Two" in the topic? I hit enter at the wrong moment. ><

[ChibiGoku]

It honestly is a pleasent surprise to see that Toei Animation is putting the series up for free. It's been ages since I actually saw Digimon 02 in any shape or form, including in Japanese or Dub formats. Thankfully, we're given a subtitled release rather than the english dub. Really wish we could've started with the first series, but it's better than nothing.

At anyrate, the first episode was a nice reintroduction to some of the past characters and the introduction to several new ones. While it's rather interesting though, despite Daisuke being the lead character, we're given more focus on Takeru on this episode, but seems to drift near the end of the episode. Rewatching this episode though, I forgot how much of a spazz Veemon was and also never realized how much of an ass that Daisuke was. Jumping to conclusions on poor Takeru with Hikari.

One thing that I never really noticed before when I originally saw the series back in 2000, was how forced the episode was. It seems to throw you into something suddenly, without real proper explination or time to build. However, this does seem to slightly mimic the formula with how the first series began, but without the drama of the characters being trapped in a new world. Now, as for the villan for this current story, it'll be interesting to see how everything pans out. I honestly never finished seeing Digimon 02 in any shape or form, so there is going to be alot of surprises for me as to what's coming.

Now, as to the subtitles... I'm a bit bothered. It seems like Toei wants to use Dub terms in them. While I'll deal with it, it's a little bit of an annoyance, especially when you hear "Shinka", and it's translated as "Digivolve", when it means "To Evolve" literally, as well as Digital Gate as Digigate and a couple others.

However, it seems that Toei is going with all Japanese character names for the most part, and the only real error was Flamedramon, which was a dub name (atleast from what I understand). The other names seem to follow more so with Bandai Japan's official spellings rather than Toei's rendering. (So we get Veemon instead of V-mon, for instance...)

There are two minor english errors (a missing apostraphy and Hikari typoed as Hikaru), but it doesn't seem anything major. Translation is fine, although they seem to be simplified in some aspects. One instance I recall is "But who is the Digimon Kaiser?", when it should've been translated as "Just who is the Digimon Kaiser that has suddenly appeared?". But it's acceptable and I can't recall any real errors.

[O-chan]

At anyrate, the first episode was a nice reintroduction to some of the past characters and the introduction to several new ones. While it's rather interesting though, despite Daisuke being the lead character, we're given more focus on Takeru on this episode, but seems to drift near the end of the episode. Rewatching this episode though, I forgot how much of a spazz Veemon was and also never realized how much of an ass that Daisuke was. Jumping to conclusions on poor Takeru with Hikari.


And to think...people blamed Daisuke's lack of intelligence solely on the dub.

O-chan

[King Cocopuff]

Rewatching this episode though, I forgot how much of a spazz Veemon was and also never realized how much of an ass that Daisuke was. Jumping to conclusions on poor Takeru with Hikari.

Well, if you don't want to be spoiled, I'll just say that Daisuke gets better.

That was fun and nostalgic. I agree that this episode wasn't good with building the new series up. The second episode did a better job at that.

The subs were pretty decent. Aside from the points raised above, sometimes the subtitles switched a bit too fast even for my sub-savvy eyes.

[Undrave]

That was quite a blast from the past. Lots of nostalgic fun.

I'll have to make sure to keep up with it!

As for the Flamedramon part... Its writen as 'Fladramon' on screen (and Snimon is writen as Sunimon) but... to me it sounded like everyone, including the narrator, was saying 'Flamedramon' really fast more than 'Fladramon. So I'd say analyzer be damned :p

[zoombie]

Hopefully they will eventully get the whole season. I have only seen a few episodes of the original version of Zero Two.

[Raidon Makoto]

Its weird reading the sub without the Dub Names. I know people will grab pitchforks when I say this, but I kind of wish there was an option for Dub Names or Japanese names. XD

[jph139]

Its weird reading the sub without the Dub Names. I know people will grab pitchforks when I say this, but I kind of wish there was an option for Dub Names or Japanese names. XD

What weirds me out is how different the voices are! Never seen Digimon in its native tongue, and everything seems backwards. Like, Gatomon (or Tailmon, I guess?) - in English, her voice is really squeaky, but in Japanese, it's disturbingly mature. Same thing with the kids, though, looking back, they probably sound way too mature for pre-teens over here.

[Undrave]

Yeah I noticed that Biyomon and Gatomon got their original names.

I hope they stick with Horusmon instead of Halsemon.

I'm betting we'll get an episode a week or something? If they were to release a sub only set of the whole season I'd totally buy it but I assume it would be too expensive compared to Crunchy Roll.

I'd totally pay the 1,99 an ep to put this on my iPod video if I had one.

[zoombie]

My feelings for Daisuke is similar to my feelings for Masaru from Savers, I can't stand them early, but by the end of the series, they grow so much as characters, and I respect them for their growth and their heroics by the end. Though Daisuke was not as heroic as Masaru.

Daisuke improves as the show goes on, the big turning point is when a certain somebody joins the group. I am sorry if this is too much of a spoiler, but those that seen the season, know what I mean, Daisuke is a way better character when they add the new member.

I have seen the early episodes of the original, I can't wait to see the original version of the second half of the season. I can't wait to hear the Japanese voices for the villains in the next arc.

[garfield15]

What weirds me out is how different the voices are! Never seen Digimon in its native tongue, and everything seems backwards. Like, Gatomon (or Tailmon, I guess?) - in English, her voice is really squeaky, but in Japanese, it's disturbingly mature. Same thing with the kids, though, looking back, they probably sound way too mature for pre-teens over here.

Yeah, I was freaking about that too when I first heard it.

However, it does make sense because Tailmon is, technically, an "Adult" digimon.

(Total mindfart here but I hope they release Frontier because as sentai-ish as that show was, I really liked the music in it)

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Kaiser is spelt with an 's', not a 'z'.

[ChibiGoku]

Yeah, I was freaking about that too when I first heard it.

However, it does make sense because Tailmon is, technically, an "Adult" digimon.


Yeah, when me and my friend were talking about the episode, it was seriously jarring to hear her voice. To be honest, both me and her completely forgot that Tailmon was an Adult form and I just realised it when we rewatched it together. I guess size has to do with it...

EDIT: Oh hey, 1600 posts!

[zoombie]

Does anyone know if Toei considers each season of Digimon as seperate series, or seasons of a whole series.

I hope it is the first option, because maybe they will add Digimon Tamers.

[Lavenderpaw]

Where is this uncut version at?

[Light Lucario]

In almost every case, I prefer dubs over subs. But considering the first three Digimon movie made so much more sense subbed, not to mention that this is free and legal or else there wouldn't be a thread here, I figured that I'd give this a shot. In all honesty, it reminded me a lot of the dub, except for the music, obviously, and all of the added jokes, which weren't that many, I think. Anyway, it was pretty enjoyable. I don't think that I've heard of some of the Japanese names for some of the Digimon, like Tailmon, before this episode. I think the movies I watched subbed the dub names, which I was somewhat expecting here and was throw off a bit. Personally, I don't care about original names or orignal music as long as I enjoy the series. And I did enjoy what I saw. It brought back a lot of nostalgic memories.

I can see how this episode is more about Tachi and then suddenly shift to Daisuke. I didn't really see anything about Daisuke that bothered me, but maybe it helps that I've seen the dub before and see how he changes. It may not be the same as it is in the Japanese version, I haven't seen the series subbed before, so I could be wrong if he doesn't change like that. There were some voices I actually preferred over the English dubs, such as Tailmon's/Gatomon's and I think maybe Daisuke's/Davis's.

It was enjoyable to watch and I'll watch more if they continue to upload the episodes in this legal manner. I'm not sure how much I'll enjoy the Digimon Kaiser arc since I didn't think Adventure 02 became really good until after that arc, or at the earliest during the conclusion of that arc. Still, I'll watch as long as I'm content with it.

[cetuskun]

Yeah I noticed that Biyomon and Gatomon got their original names.

I hope they stick with Horusmon instead of Halsemon.

I'm betting we'll get an episode a week or something? If they were to release a sub only set of the whole season I'd totally buy it but I assume it would be too expensive compared to Crunchy Roll.

I'd totally pay the 1,99 an ep to put this on my iPod video if I had one.

Actually they might even go with Holsmon (since I think that's the way it's written in English in the Analyzer, but then again they used Snimon when the Analyzer said Sunimon). Also they said on the front page that they'll be adding another episode every Thursday.

[Gatomon41]

Digimon Kaizer - The mysterious villain of this arc.

Hmmm, I wonder who could it be? :p

Anyways, its nice to see the sub episode. I love the Dub, but the sub is just as enjoyable. Can't wait for "The Call of Dagomon."

[PC!]

Watching Japanese Digimon has made me wonder...was it really worth changing the Digimon's names? I mean just look at how complex the text in the evolution scenes is. I mean, how many hours would it take to completely edit the "Fladramon" text out and make new "Flamedramon" text that swirls around and looks like it fits in with the sequence? I'd imagine that takes a LOT of time and money. Changing the names doesn't seem worth all that work.

[garfield15]

Watching Japanese Digimon has made me wonder...was it really worth changing the Digimon's names? I mean just look at how complex the text in the evolution scenes is. I mean, how many hours would it take to completely edit the "Fladramon" text out and make new "Flamedramon" text that swirls around and looks like it fits in with the sequence? I'd imagine that takes a LOT of time and money. Changing the names doesn't seem worth all that work.

I think the fans have been talking about that for a few years now. (myself included)

[ryuu_writer]

http://digipedia.db-destiny.net/encyc/images/kari2.jpg Hikari Yagami - Doesn't possess a Death Note, but she is one of the original eight Chosen Children.


That, my friend, is where you're wrong...

http://www.cosplay.com/photo/1601476/


:P


Punnery aside, available Digimon Zero Two in the original Japanese is the greatest thing since the Spanish Dub. (Seriously, has anyone ever seen it? Best. Dub. Ever. Or, at least, funniest. XD)

I've watched a majority of the original language, and I have to say, it's amazing how much more awesome this series is when you take away Jeff Nimoy's evil dub jokes and script "altering." Takeru is much more innocent and sweet in the original, Daisuke is actually lovable (childish, but lovable), Miyako is a million times less annoying, Iori could not be any cuter, and Hikari is much nicer and less "flirty." Oh, and Ken sounds like a girl.

(Yamato also comes off as a bit more jerky, but that could just be the bias talking knowing what he does later in the series.... *grumblegrumbletaiorashoudahappenedgrumble*)

The series is also noticeably darker in tone. Episode 13, anyone?


So, goodbye to the Cowboy armadillo and Brittish hawk...farewell to the bouncing ball of blue energy screaming "DAVISH!" every two seconds (you, I might actually miss)...and hello tres awesome soundtrack!

[D Dubbs]

So...I'm pretty much a virgin to Digimon. Should I watch this series without watching the original, or would it be better to wait and hope that TOEI puts the original on Crunchyroll at some point?

[zoombie]

So...I'm pretty much a virgin to Digimon. Should I watch this series without watching the original, or would it be better to wait and hope that TOEI puts the original on Crunchyroll at some point?

The second season, Digimon Adventures Zero Two is the only season that follows up a previous season. Season three (Digimon Tamers), four (Digimon Frontier), five (Digimon Savers / Data Squad) each are seperate stories, and you don't need to watch any of the previous seasons to get into the story.

That being said, you could watch Digimon Adventures Zero Two without seeing Digimon Adventures. There are some reference to the previous season that those didn't watch Adventures won't understand, but it is still not the difficult to understand the plot of Zero Two. Nothing sugnificant that makes it is impossible to understand, as long as you use common sense, like any old villains that may appear, it is easy to tell they are bad guys. As for the old Choosen Children, they (aside from regulars Takeru and Hikari) will be appearing sporaticlly, as they are introduced to the Daisuke and other new Choosen Children, they are also introducing themselfs to the new viewers.

[Gokou Ruri]

If this is an official sub, why are there grammar mistakes and honorifics in the script?

Anyway, I watched this show long, long ago, and I'll just say I preferred the first series a lot better. 02 didn't really get good for me until halfway through, where as I liked Adventure from the get-go.

[garfield15]

So, goodbye to the Cowboy armadillo and Brittish hawk...farewell to the bouncing ball of blue energy screaming "DAVISH!" every two seconds (you, I might actually miss)...and hello tres awesome soundtrack!

Welcome changes, I might add (though I do think the DAVISH! is adorable, I prefer his seiyuu more). That damn british accent has to go!

And yes, awesome, no, amazing soundtrack. I always loved the opening for 02 since the day I heard it.


If this is an official sub, why are there grammar mistakes and honorifics in the script?

Because, shut up, that's why! (I kid, I kid:p)

Honestly, I was a bit confused by the grammatical mistakes as well.

[zoombie]

Anyway, I watched this show long, long ago, and I'll just say I preferred the first series a lot better. 02 didn't really get good for me until halfway through, where as I liked Adventure from the get-go.

Me too. 02 has its good points, it is better in the second half, actully every season of Digimon is better in the second half in my opinion. I liked the original Choosen Children better than the new ones, Daisuke annoyed me at times in the beginning, but what really annoyed was the tree hugger pacif attitud of Miyako and Iroi. You had to twist their arms to get them to agree to defeat evil Digimon at all costs to protect the innocent from them. Makes sense, don't kill one bad guy and let him kill a bunch of innocent people and Digimon. No one was more sensative to death and injury of others than Mimi, and even she knew sometimes you have to eleminate the villains at all costs.

The Digimon Kaiser has nothing on Vamdemon, the greatest Digimon villain by far of all time IMO.

[Undrave]

If this is an official sub, why are there grammar mistakes and honorifics in the script?

Its a budget release, its highly probably it didn't go through the full process that a DVD sub release get. Maybe they contracted amateurs, or maybe it was done by a non-native English speaker out there in Japan... maybe all they did was take a translation and slap it there without much timing and editing consideration?

We shouldn't complain about it when they're doing us a favor.

Altough personally I would have LOVED to see Tamers rather than 02, I still like the show.

[Vegard Aune]

...So, who uploaded this again? Because if I heard it right, and it was uploaded by Toei themselves, then WHY IS IT REGION-LOCKED TO AMERICA?! Now, I would never pay for their download-version anyway because of the dub-terms and apparently horrible quality, but I could live with this if it was a free streaming-version, and I do want to see the second season in japanese, (having only seen the norwegian dub in the past, which is a bad translation of the american version) but when the only way to watch it legally is region-locked to the US, and the only fansubbers that don't seem to care about this did a downright terrible job, it pretty much means that every non-american Digimon-fan who wants to see Zero Two is screwed. ...God, why can't they just make an uncut DVD? If they released one THAT DOESN'T USE DUB-TERMS IN THE SUBTITLES, I'd gladly buy it.

[Tash]

So...I'm pretty much a virgin to Digimon. Should I watch this series without watching the original, or would it be better to wait and hope that TOEI puts the original on Crunchyroll at some point?
Watch the dub of season 3, if you want. It has almost no connection to the first two seasons. (although I personally like to believe that the "real" world in the first two seasons is one of the layers of the Tamers world, but that's a discussion for another time) The dub for Tamers is a lot more accurate than the first two seasons, and the punny writing was cut down. A lot of the original music is kept, too.

[PC!]

02 was enjoyable. The Kaizer arc kind of dragged a little for my taste, but I thought he ended up being a great villain, and I loved the armor Digimon forms, Fladramon in particular. Much cooler than their champion level forms. It hit a lull as the Arukenimon arc started up, but the series hit its stride, I think, when BlackWarGreymon showed up. All the episodes in that arc were awesome. Then it went back downhill in the Oikawa arc, hitting an all-time low at the final battle. Vamdemon, possibly the greatest villain in the history of the franchise, the one who survived an angel's arrow piercing through his heart and two mega Digimon tearing through his...well, nether regions, is destroyed once and for all by the power of...dreams. Just...no.

As far as Chosen Children go, Daisuke is still my favorite goggle boy ever, with Taichi a close second. Takeru was all right, though the only really cool thing he did in the entire series was facing the Kaizer in a one-on-one fist fight. Hikari had even less personality than season 1. Miyako was pretty cool, one of the better girls in Digimon. Iori...ugh, I hate him so much. He's namby pamby, he's a goody goody, he's...well, he's boring. Every time he opened his mouth in the dub made me cringe, and I'd wager he couldn't be THAT much better in the original Japanese version. Ken was cool when he wasn't being a wuss.

[Rolling Cloud]

So...I'm pretty much a virgin to Digimon. Should I watch this series without watching the original, or would it be better to wait and hope that TOEI puts the original on Crunchyroll at some point?

If I had to choose one, I'd personally recommend 01. Since you're new, I wouldn't want 02's ending to be how you start out. D:

[ChibiGoku]

...So, who uploaded this again? Because if I heard it right, and it was uploaded by Toei themselves, then WHY IS IT REGION-LOCKED TO AMERICA?!


The reason is simple: Toei Animation does not own streaming rights to every region. I know for a fact that the European rights for Digimon series is owned by a different company, and this includes streaming rights. Rather to be more accurate, several companies. Just because they technically own the series, doesn't mean they are allowed to do as they please if they have already given the rights to another company in a different region. If they did, there could be possible legal action against the licensor, since there is a chance it could be a breach in contract.

Even if this wasn't true, there is a chance that the US Toei studio probably only has the rights to North American region. Trust me, as much as I hate region blocking (I seriously do since I have to deal with this on Video Games, even if that is a slightly different concept), this isn't one of their blunders.


...God, why can't they just make an uncut DVD? If they released one THAT DOESN'T USE DUB-TERMS IN THE SUBTITLES, I'd gladly buy it.

This may happen, but the subtitles that were uploaded were a budget job for a stream release. From what I have heard from Quarkboy over on AnimeonDVD, it seems the subtitles were contracted to a studio in Florida. I forget which studio it was, but I believe it was "Kitchen Studio". I might be wrong on that name and I honestly don't feel like going through the posts to find it again.

Regardless, they apparently were done on the cheap. While it doesn't make it any right, it's better than the alternative and having Toei uploading the dub or not uploading anything at all.

I will say this regarding the dub-terms in the subtitles. If you guys remember that Toei Animation wanted FUNimation to use dub terms (names too) on the subtitles for One Piece, then seeing some dub terms on these subs don't come much of a shocker since Toei had full control over this. Again, this doesn't make it right.

[veemonjosh]

So...I'm pretty much a virgin to Digimon. Should I watch this series without watching the original, or would it be better to wait and hope that TOEI puts the original on Crunchyroll at some point?

While it's possible to get into Zero Two without having seen Adventure, the final few episodes of Zero Two are definitely more of a shocker if you watch the original.

But as others have said, you can get into any of the series without seeing the others first. I'd recommend perhaps Tamers or Savers if you can't get access to Adventure (Frontier is probably the worst series to start off on).

[zoombie]

I think it is safe to say about the Digimon fandom, that Adventures and Tamers are the two most popular seasons. Any online discussion amoung fans, the majority of them say either Adventures or Tamers is their favorite season.

So Adventures Zero Two falls right in between the two most popular seasons. I agree with them, Adventures is my favorite, but Tamers is my second favorite, is just as great in its own right.

The only season I didn't really that into is Frounter. I hope to see the sub one day, maybe I will get into if presented with the original version. (Episode 15 might be reason enough. LOL)

The one thing Savers had that Tamers lacked, is a great evil you love to hate villain. Kurata fills the void left by Vamdemon, in being a character in which you can unleash all your hatred on. The D - Reapers are all right, but you can't get that emotion from a emotionless computer.

[Vegard Aune]

I will say this regarding the dub-terms in the subtitles. If you guys remember that Toei Animation wanted FUNimation to use dub terms (names too) on the subtitles for One Piece, then seeing some dub terms on these subs don't come much of a shocker since Toei had full control over this. Again, this doesn't make it right.
And that is why Toei utterly fails at pleasing the fans. I mean, does ANYONE want to have incorrect dub-terminology in the subtitles, when those are supposed to tell you what the characters are actually saying? It sucked in every single norwegian-subbed movie I've ever seen, and it still sucks when it's done in anime. The only time dub-terms should be used in subs is if they actually carry the same meaning as the original term. (Which is why I have no problem with "Gum-Gum" or "Seven Warlords of the Sea" in One Piece, yet stuff like "Digivolve" and "Myotismon" annoy me to no end.)

[garfield15]

Me too. 02 has its good points, it is better in the second half, actully every season of Digimon is better in the second half in my opinion.

Uh, honestly, Frontier's second half was really weak to me because Takuya and Koji magically became the only characters who could do anything and even then it took them a while to even touch the Royal Knights. Also, they introduce Kouichi and his awesomeness and he automatically becomes useless....until he "died." And as for 02, someone explained it above. Vamdemon was killed by dreams? WTF?



The Digimon Kaiser has nothing on Vamdemon, the greatest Digimon villain by far of all time IMO.

I don't know. Kurata is pretty up there.

And what about IceDevimon? I think I learned what rape was when that episode came on in America because of him.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

If this is an official sub, why are there grammar mistakes and honorifics in the script?

Anyway, I watched this show long, long ago, and I'll just say I preferred the first series a lot better. 02 didn't really get good for me until halfway through, where as I liked Adventure from the get-go.

FUNimation uses honorfics.

[zoombie]

For those that are virgin's to Digimon, I will say this about any season, and that is not like Pokemon. You will notice some of the storylines are very dark, they will confont issues like death head on, and the plots moves along nicely, as compared to Pokemon.

I have nothing against Pokemon, I still think the old episodes are classics, but Digimon is not a ripoff of Pokemon or that similar.

[Light Lucario]

So...I'm pretty much a virgin to Digimon. Should I watch this series without watching the original, or would it be better to wait and hope that TOEI puts the original on Crunchyroll at some point?

As others have mentioned, you could easily watch Adventure 02 without having watched the first series. There are some references to the first series here and there throughout 02, but nothing too confusing to the point where you'll not be able to follow the storyline. It's a pretty good series, but I'd also recommend to watch Tamers first. It's the third Digimon series and the best one yet in my book. It's definitely darker and has practically equal character development for all three of the main characters.

I think that I'm one of the few people that prefers Adventure 02 to Adventure 01. The first series was great and all and I think that it did have a better start than 02, but I overall prefer the sequel series. The Digimon Kasier arc did feel weak for the most part, but I thought that it went much better afterword, especially when BlackWarGreymon showed up. Despite the negative comments fans have on it, I actually liked the ending. Granted, I haven't seen the ending since it aired on FOX way back when, but I didn't think that it was bad. It was definitely corny and I don't agree with most of the jobs and a couple of the pairings that did not happen, even though I didn't realize that at the time, but I thought that it was cute. Besides that, outside some great episodes, like the one where Tachi is sent back home for awhile, and the Vamdemon arc, I don't think that Adventure 01 was that good. The Dark Masters just weren't that intense, especially coming right after Vamdemon.

I also agree that the second half of Frontier wasn't that good. In fact, whatever spark the series had was lost once the Royal Knights showed up and Takuya and Koji were the only ones able to fight. Combining all of their spirts for each of them worked better for like a final battle for the series, but dragging that out for like another ten or more episodes was just a bad move. It didn't help that the Royal Knights themselves were pretty annoying. I still think that the series is watchable. Once they start getting their second spirt forms, I thought that it was getting better and more interesting. That all left once Cheruibmon was defeated, who should have been a final villain instead of just the first since he was more interesting than at leas the Royal Knights.

[Ultra8]

Very cool.:D It's been ages since I've seen Zero let alone seen it subbed(I've caught a raw or spannish dub every so often). Wish it were Tamers but I'll take what's given.

[Undrave]

...So, who uploaded this again? Because if I heard it right, and it was uploaded by Toei themselves, then WHY IS IT REGION-LOCKED TO AMERICA?! Now, I would never pay for their download-version anyway because of the dub-terms and apparently horrible quality, but I could live with this if it was a free streaming-version, and I do want to see the second season in japanese, (having only seen the norwegian dub in the past, which is a bad translation of the american version) but when the only way to watch it legally is region-locked to the US, and the only fansubbers that don't seem to care about this did a downright terrible job, it pretty much means that every non-american Digimon-fan who wants to see Zero Two is screwed. ...God, why can't they just make an uncut DVD? If they released one THAT DOESN'T USE DUB-TERMS IN THE SUBTITLES, I'd gladly buy it.

I think your dramatizing.

They use Digivolve instead of 'shinka' which is fine because its an iconic term now.

And they spell Fladramon as Flamedramon. Honestly when the characters say it I'm hard pressed not to hear 'Flamedramon' so there's a case for it.

Otherwise the use the Japanese names for the characters (including Taichi and Hikari's rea family name), they use Digimental, Tailmon, Piyomon and Digimon Kaizer. Plus they kept honorifics.

There's like 1 or 2 mistake in the entire half hour. Its made on the cheap but I wouldn't call it 'downright terrible'. Rushed? Yes, but not 'terrible'.

Could have used the lyrics of the theme song though.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Rating: Adult

Ah, nostalgia. I've only seen the dub but I'm already enjoying this newly released subbed version. When will the next episode be uploaded?

[NewcomerDC]

Rating: Adult

Ah, nostalgia. I've only seen the dub but I'm already enjoying this newly released subbed version. When will the next episode be uploaded?
Hopefully soon and hope that the subs are not messed up this time around.

[zoombie]

In reguards in which Digimon series to watch first. I am not saying which one to watch first, but I think the new fans that watch Savers first and never saw Adventures, might have enjoyed that series more because they are not famlar with Adventures and the differences between the Digimon characters from Adventures.

Fans like myself, there is some nostlagic bias, those that are used to Agumon, Pyromon, etc. acting in certains ways, and seeing them act differently in Savers, might not have enjoyed it as much as somone that never saw any of the Adventures series. Like someone younger might enjoy a cover song of an old song, more than someone that heard the original version.

[Vegard Aune]

I think your dramatizing.

They use Digivolve instead of 'shinka' which is fine because its an iconic term now.

And they spell Fladramon as Flamedramon. Honestly when the characters say it I'm hard pressed not to hear 'Flamedramon' so there's a case for it.

Otherwise the use the Japanese names for the characters (including Taichi and Hikari's rea family name), they use Digimental, Tailmon, Piyomon and Digimon Kaizer. Plus they kept honorifics.

There's like 1 or 2 mistake in the entire half hour. Its made on the cheap but I wouldn't call it 'downright terrible'. Rushed? Yes, but not 'terrible'.

Could have used the lyrics of the theme song though.
Read my post again, please: "and the only fansubbers that don't seem to care about this did a downright terrible job," And no, using "Digivolve" is NOT fine in any way. It sounds completely ridicculous, and it's not anywhere close to an accurate translation. "Shinka" means "Evolve", and should be translated as such. Plus, looking at the titles of the downloadable episodes, I saw them using the name "MaloMyotismon" too, which is COMPLETELY off. And anyway, my biggest complaint was "I can't watch it because it's region-locked to America", and I'm sure you'd be pretty annoyed if that were the case for you too. It basically means that I'm left with no way to watch the show, because none of the fansubbers (besides that sucky one) will sub the show now that an official sub is out, and I can't watch the official sub.

[Tash]

And no, using "Digivolve" is NOT fine in any way. It sounds completely ridicculous, and it's not anywhere close to an accurate translation. "Shinka" means "Evolve", and should be translated as such.
Isn't the the same thing, only with "Digi" in front?

[Tay the Cat]

Isn't the the same thing, only with "Digi" in front?
Yes.

It's fine, leave it alone. Why some people complain over the smallest things, I have no idea. It makes me sad to be associated with them.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Read my post again, please: "and the only fansubbers that don't seem to care about this did a downright terrible job," And no, using "Digivolve" is NOT fine in any way. It sounds completely ridicculous, and it's not anywhere close to an accurate translation. "Shinka" means "Evolve", and should be translated as such. Plus, looking at the titles of the downloadable episodes, I saw them using the name "MaloMyotismon" too, which is COMPLETELY off. And anyway, my biggest complaint was "I can't watch it because it's region-locked to America", and I'm sure you'd be pretty annoyed if that were the case for you too. It basically means that I'm left with no way to watch the show, because none of the fansubbers (besides that sucky one) will sub the show now that an official sub is out, and I can't watch the official sub.

Well, it's region locked because they want it like so. It's their product, they can show it to whom ever they wish.

[Light Lucario]

ICould have used the lyrics of the theme song though.

Oh yeah, that was the one problem I had with this episode. I wanted to see the opening and ending themes subbed, instead of just the credits. Or maybe having all of them subbed so that everyone could be happy.


Yes.

It's fine, leave it alone. Why some people complain over the smallest things, I have no idea. It makes me sad to be associated with them.

I know what you mean. I never had a problem with Digivolve since I always thought that one reason they made that change so that it wouldn't be confused with the way Pokemon evolve or something like that. Besides that, I don't think that it's that big of a deal anyway. They mostly use the Japanese names and terms here. I bet that there would be people complaining if the Digimon Emperor was kept instead of Kasier, despite the fact that Kasier is Japanese for emperor. Oh well. Some people just take these things more seriously than I do I guess.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Oh yeah, that was the one problem I had with this episode. I wanted to see the opening and ending themes subbed, instead of just the credits. Or maybe having all of them subbed so that everyone could be happy.



I know what you mean. I never had a problem with Digivolve since I always thought that one reason they made that change so that it wouldn't be confused with the way Pokemon evolve or something like that. Besides that, I don't think that it's that big of a deal anyway. They mostly use the Japanese names and terms here. I bet that there would be people complaining if the Digimon Emperor was kept instead of Kasier, despite the fact that Kasier is Japanese for emperor. Oh well. Some people just take these things more seriously than I do I guess.

Kaiser ain't Japanese. When have you ever seen 'ser' in an Japanese name? It's German. :)

[Undrave]

Kaiser ain't Japanese. When have you ever seen 'ser' in an Japanese name? It's German. :)

Where it is basically derived from the Roman title of 'Caesar', i.e. 'Emperor'.

[Light Lucario]

Kaiser ain't Japanese. When have you ever seen 'ser' in an Japanese name? It's German. :)

Oh, I did hear about that before in another form, but the person said that they were mistaken about the German bit. I'm honestly not that familiar with the Japanese language. I know a couple of terms, mostly from some discussions that I've read online, but that's about it. Sorry about the mistake about where it comes from, but I was just trying to point out how some people would still be complaining if they put in Emperor in the sub, instead of Kaiser, despite the fact that it means the same thing.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Oh, I did hear about that before in another form, but the person said that they were mistaken about the German bit. I'm honestly not that familiar with the Japanese language. I know a couple of terms, mostly from some discussions that I've read online, but that's about it. Sorry about the mistake about where it comes from, but I was just trying to point out how some people would still be complaining if they put in Emperor in the sub, instead of Kaiser, despite the fact that it means the same thing.

Well, Kaiser's still a well known foreign term.

[Gatomon41]

Well, Kaiser's still a well known foreign term.
Of course. The Kaiser roll is known internationally. :p

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Of course. The Kaiser roll is known internationally. :p

*Hides sandwich*

Er...yeah, sure...

[Undrave]

Of course. The Kaiser roll is known internationally. :p

Ah! I had a turkey kaiser for dinner yesterday.

[Vegard Aune]

Yes.

It's fine, leave it alone. Why some people complain over the smallest things, I have no idea. It makes me sad to be associated with them.
Different opinions, clearly. I for one don't think it's a problem that the opening isn't subbed, as you can find those online rather easily anyway, whereas the dub-terms... I don't care if they mean more or less the same thing, the fact is, "Digivolution" is a term that has never existed in the japanese version of the show, so even if I'm actually not able to see the episode, it still bothers me that they would sub it as such. But not as much as the fact that it seems that they also say "Myotismon", judging from the episode-titles listed on the downloadable episodes.

Yes, I know you said "leave it alone", but I just felt that I had to say that. I'll drop the subject now.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Well, to be fair, it is there show. If they want to render it as Digivolve to give it a distinct seperation from evolution from Pokémon it's not exactly a sin. One Piece uses 'Gum Gum' for 'Gomu Gomu no'.

[Baby Naruto]

Where can I go to watch the english dub for free legally?

[veemonjosh]

Where can I go to watch the english dub for free legally?

Jetix, but they only air Data Squad these days.