Burton

[MAXIMUS]

I was watching the horrible( in my opinion) Batman Forever at my buddies house the other night, and thinking how terrible this movie was cuz Tim Burton wasnt involved....then in a big smack in the face , I see his name in the credits as a producer I belive...how could he let this happen!

Maybe this should be in another topic
OH WELL

[Calhoun07]

What I dread is that Fox will also make the POTA sequel without Burton. I tell ya, if he does the first movie, the sequel should not be made without him. The positive thing about POTA, however, is that many of the lead actors in that movie will not do the sequel without Burton. I hope they stick to their guns, cuz I want to see a POTA sequel, but only by Burton.

[Zoddman]

Really, the only reason that Burton was on the credits was because he gave his blessing to schumacher, he actually wasn't involved with the movie in any way. He was too busy with Ed Wood.

[Failure]

This may be unwarranted, but I've been skeptical of Tim Burton after hearing about what he wanted to do with Superman (one word: dreadful). Other than that I've really liked his stuff, particularly Sleepy Hollow for some reason.

[The Guard]

The Burton Superman rumors are blown WAY out of porportion. Yes, he wanted Superman to wear black leather, but only AFTER he'd come back from the dead, with low powers, etc. I think he would have done a great Superman, but not with that script. He wanted Keaton to cameo as Batman as well. I would have liked to see that.

[Salvor]

Originally posted by The Guard
The Burton Superman rumors are blown WAY out of porportion. Yes, he wanted Superman to wear black leather, but only AFTER he'd come back from the dead, with low powers, etc. I think he would have done a great Superman, but not with that script. He wanted Keaton to cameo as Batman as well. I would have liked to see that.
Yes. Besides, I don't think faith in Tim Burton should hinge on some rumors regarding a possible Superman script.

I don't think Burton was involved that much in Batman Forever.

[X-human]

I don't think Burton should have much to do with anything that wasn't his idea to begin with.

With something like Planet of the Apes or Batman/Batman Returns, it's not a bad movie, it's just not very good. I mean, Batman unloading two machine guns at The Joker is just simply NOT BATMAN. Sleepy Hollow was a very good movie, far different from The Legend of Sleepy Hollow, but I expected that.

Burton should start doing his own original movies, and not messing with other people's creations. I don't doubt Burton's Superman would have been decent (if they got a producer with some sense), but it really wouldn't have been close to the Superman of the comics. Tim Burton has stated several times that he's never read a comic book in his life, yet Batman and Superman are tossed in this guys lap. It's beyond words for me to express how silly this is.

Reading Burton's plans for Superman put the fear of god back in me. Superman doesn't wear black leather, I don't care if he's undead or just at a costume party, it just doesn't happen. I'd much rather see Kevin Smith's choice, Robert Rodriguez, as the director. Someone who respects the character.

[The Game]

I don't like Burton. Everyone hates Shumacher's Batman films because they're lighter and campier- but the Burton ones are way overrated. Batman Returns is a WEIRD movie, mainly because of Burton's influence. Far from blaming his absence for the latter two Batman films, I blame his presence for the first two.

There has yet to be a great Batman film, like there should be, partly because of Burton's disrespect for the comics/creepy dark vision, partly because of Shumacer's horrid '60s camp-fest.


Reading Burton's plans for Superman put the fear of god back in me.

lol. Yeah, some of his ideas have had a similar effect on me, X-human.

-The Game

[The Guard]

Superman doesn't wear black leather, I don't care if he's undead or just at a costume party, it just doesn't happen.

I suppose I'm the only one who read about the Death, Reign, and Return of Superman, and saw Kal-El wearing a black jumpsuit, with a silver "S".

[X-human]

Originally posted by The Guard I suppose I'm the only one who read about the Death, Reign, and Return of Superman, and saw Kal-El wearing a black jumpsuit, with a silver "S".

A black leather suit which is a cross between Edward Scissorshands and a Borg that allows you to see his internal organs is far different from a slick black jump suit with a silver 'S'. I don't see how you can ever make the comparison.

[The Guard]

Cross between Borg and...THAT WAS THE CYBORG!

[Zoddman]

Besides, most of the ideas you're associating with Burton were really Jon Peter's ideas. Here's a quote from Burton, which seems to make it sound like he knows the character pretty well. "You strip away everything, all the surface things, and what you have is a man from another planet who is unlike anybody else on Earth."

[RockItShipper]

First off, "producer" is a credit that could mean anything from someone overseeing the whole production to having helped fund it. It could just be in recognition of work Burton did on 4ever before Returns came out. Planning sequels before something comes out isn't that new.

[Terminatah]

Originally posted by The Guard
He wanted Keaton to cameo as Batman as well. I would have liked to see that. He actually cut Kevin Smith's Batman cameo from the script.


Originally posted by Zoddman
Besides, most of the ideas you're associating with Burton were really Jon Peter's ideas. Here's a quote from Burton, which seems to make it sound like he knows the character pretty well. "You strip away everything, all the surface things, and what you have is a man from another planet who is unlike anybody else on Earth." Well duh. But there's a lot more to the character than that. Burton had him driving around in a Supermobile and using battle gadgets. He wanted to hire Ralph Fiennes and play up Superman's darker, more murderous side. Does that sound to you like he knew the character?

-Terminatah

[Zoddman]

Originally posted by Terminatah
Well duh. But there's a lot more to the character than that. Burton had him driving around in a Supermobile and using battle gadgets. He wanted to hire Ralph Fiennes and play up Superman's darker, more murderous side. Does that sound to you like he knew the character?
-Terminatah Everything you're attributing to Burton was, and I'll say it again, JON PETERS. For a very accurate article on the man behind all this madness, the one using Burton as his puppet bodyguard, go HERE (http://www.supermanhomepage.com/movies/regarding-jon-peters.html). I urge everybody here that cares about our beloved Kryptonian to look at this.

[Terminatah]

Originally posted by Zoddman
Everything you're attributing to Burton was, and I'll say it again, JON PETERS. For a very accurate article on the man behind all this madness, the one using Burton as his puppet bodyguard, go HERE (http://www.supermanhomepage.com/movies/regarding-jon-peters.html). I urge everybody here that cares about our beloved Kryptonian to look at this. That's a lovely site, but nowhere does it mention any of the things I said. According to THIS SITE HERE (http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/files/Forum30/HTML/007213.html), the ideas I attributed to Burton were conceived by a man I like to call TIM BURTON.

-Terminatah

[The Guard]

For some reason I don't believe that. Burton didn't slaughter Batman. He at least read YEAR ONE and DARK KNIGHT RETURNS. It sounds a lot like The DEATH OF SUPERMAN, and the guy with his organs showing and all the machinery is the cyborg, and the blood red cape guy is the Eradicator.

I doubt Burton is dumb enough to want Superman to ride around in a Supermobile (See the SUPER POWERS toy line), if he's at his normal level of power, when he must have known he had the FX necessary to make us believe a man can fly.

And who says Superman can't wear black and silver? I think it would look great on the big screen, and since it was supposed to be set in Burton's universe that he began with Batman...it almost makes sense. Then again, I'm a huge Burton fan.

[DR. BELCH]

RockItShipper:
"[P]roducer" is a credit that could mean anything from someone overseeing the whole production to having helped fund it.
It's rather like seeing Stephen King's name on a sequel of a movie which was made from one of his books in a "based on a novel" cred, though King was nowhere near the second picture...and judging from the quality of some of those adaptations, I'm not sure King even has anything to do with many of them (except for the few he cameos in).
On a side note, I saw Monkeybone last weekend and it was interesting to see King play himself, a writer trapped in nightmare world while his body is above, possessed by a malignant spirit. That could explain a lot...and blows Delia's theory on King being an extraterrestrial out of the water--:D ).

[CadaverousEyes]

Now I know I've seen something somewhere say that Burton's favorite graphic novel is the Killing Joke. And those two movies did bring Batman into the limelight again. But why Prince?!

[Mattashell]

Originally posted by DR. BELCH


On a side note, I saw Monkeybone last weekend and it was interesting to see King play himself, a writer trapped in nightmare world while his body is above, possessed by a malignant spirit. That could explain a lot...and blows Delia's theory on King being an extraterrestrial out of the water--:D ).

I saw that in a theatre and I said "Hey, it's Stephen King." a split second later the figuer said "Hi, I'm Stephen King." But watching the audio commentary on the DVD revealed that you and I were both fooled. King was played by a look a like in the film. King was going to do it, but he was seriously injured when he was struck by a vehicle (a bus I think) and was not able to apear in the film.

How does thisrelate to Tim Burton? Monkeybone is directed by Henry selick, freind to Burton and director of "Tim Burton's" The Nightmare Before Christmas.