Smallville "Committed" Talkback (Spoilers)

[The Penguin]

Lois & Clark must reveal their feelings! Tonight at 8 p.m. ET on The CW.


http://bp3.blogger.com/_BcAhLr85Pvs/SGusr6mTwVI/AAAAAAAAY5k/cm_3De6BJ3Q/s400/smallville1.jpgSmallville #8-5 "Committed"
Thursday, October 16, 2008 @ 8 p.m. ET/7 CT on The CW
After they leave their engagement party, Chloe (Allison Mack) and Jimmy (Aaron Ashmore) are abducted by a psychotic jeweler (guest star David Lewis) who was emotionally scarred by his wife's infidelity and is now kidnapping couples and subjecting them to a kryptonite-enhanced lie detector that shocks them if they lie. The abductor asks Chloe if she is in love with anyone else.

Meanwhile, in an effort to find Chloe and Jimmy, Clark (Tom Welling) and Lois (Erica Durance) pose as a couple and are kidnapped themselves, then asked how they feel about each other. Allison Mack and Erica Durance also star.

Glen Winter directed the episode written by Bryan Q. Miller.

#8.04: "Instinct" (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=218047)

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[ShadowGUN]

*reads episode sypnosis*

Really?

:sad:

They're trying really hard to shove the Clois relationship down our throat anyway they can aren't they? At least in the last episode it made some sense with Maxima but this one I don't know. Plus the preview make it looks like another Saw rip off.

[LazyReaper]

*sigh* 4 Episodes. That's how long it took before Kryptonite was re-introduced, yet again, as a multi-purpose death trap. Weren't the regular shock inducing lie detectors dangerous enough?

The various amount of Kryptonite uses on this show is ridiculous, nearing to the equivalent of Flubber itself.

[dc_gothamite]

*sigh* 4 Episodes. That's how long I've enjoyed this show thoroughly thanks to the lack of Clana.

Honestly, Tom Welling & Erica Durance play off each other so great. What made the episode for me?....

"Statistically speaking, it's the safer way to travel"
-- Clark, on taking an elevator.

[Rolling Cloud]

*sigh* 4 Episodes. That's how long it took before Kryptonite was re-introduced, yet again, as a multi-purpose death trap. Weren't the regular shock inducing lie detectors dangerous enough?

The various amount of Kryptonite uses on this show is ridiculous, nearing to the equivalent of Flubber itself.

I second that. >_>

Miles better than last week though, Keep it up, you guys!

[Nightwing]

It was cute. Again, this is all stuff I've already seen done (a million times better) on Lois & Clark, as hokey and 90s as it was, but this was cute. And I think that says something because it would be easy to go, "this isn't good enough! It blows! Fooey spitooey!!"

One thing I noticed that felt off was when we saw Ollie. I'm assuming that moment was supposed to offset their investigation because their emotions got all in an obvious swirl, and that's why they didn't actually QUESTION the ring salesman dude, but from the dialogue later in the episode it seemed like they were stumped as to the stalker's identity.

The "questions" seemed very conveniently placed, but I think the scenes/dialogue got the point across right. Jimmy and Cloe were nice, and the Lois and Clark significance was moreso about Clark answering the questions than Lois. We already knew about Lois, but I think maybe Clark realized something he previously didn't know. I hate how the guy is the last to know, but I appreciate the realism of it. :) And Clark, being the friend he is, covers it up for Lois, AND comes to believe that Lois was lying when she said she honestly loves him. Cute.

[Supernovametalstar]

I might be the only one, but I just don't like Oliver Queen. Nothing really gets me behind the guy. I guess the flashback episode a couple of weeks ago as to how he survived on the island would have done it, but I couldn't bring myself to record that one.

The Kryptonite didn't seem to really play a part in making the guy crazy. It seemed like it was used as the ever popular deus ex machina to get Clark vulnerable enough to shackle in front of Lois as to make him appear normal (or even weaker) than her.

And I'm not sure why Jimmy not telling the truth about his father was all that terrible as it was played to be. He was embarrassed about his alcoholic dad.

Speaking of dad's, what happened to Chloe's father? That question popped in my head a while back when it was said Clark was going to give her away at the wedding, it made me say "what"?

But it was an enjoyable episode nonetheless.

[Nightwing]

And I'm not sure why Jimmy not telling the truth about his father was all that terrible as it was played to be. He was embarrassed about his alcoholic dad.

I felt that way too, but it IS true that keeping a lie requires a lot of energy. Maybe it was weighing on him. The longer you keep it, the tougher it gets. It's like putting a rubber band loosely on your arm, and the lie pulls it away from you at one end. The more time that goes by, the farther back it goes. Anyway, maybe the Jimmy's dad thing could have been done a bit more clearly.

lol, very funny "what" moment, nova. I love/hate when that happens. It's weird and annoying but also funny. Apparently a flashback or something in season 4 showed the dude is alive. I get this from the talkback from the episode before this one. Maybe he just hates people who involve him in exploding buildings. It's kind of short-sighted, but also understandable at the same time. Aah balance.

[Old Guy]

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I missed the episode tonight, but just saw it online. :) The episode was, well, awesome. The chemistry between Tom Welling and Erica Durance is beginning to rival that of Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher. Although Cain-Hatcher still have the advantage since they also had the sexual chemistry. Welling-Durance is puppy love at the moment, which is great for a teen CW show.

Well, anyway, as great as this episode (and the ones before it were) things are gonna REALLY pick up next week. DOOMSDAY!!!!!!!!!! Did you guys see the preview? To quote Frank Barone, "HOLY CRAP!" Did you see Doomsdays bloody teeth? Awesome!

[Peter Paltridge]

Lois said "peanut gallery" in this episode.

Lately, I've played a game with teen-targeted programs I call the Peanut Gallery Game. Most teen shows, those on the CW especially, don't have much in the way of clever dialogue; what they have instead is "fake clever." "Fake clever" is peppering the dialogue with whatever random references pop into your head. Since nobody can really talk that way on the fly in real life, it appears clever, yet it really isn't.

The signature line that gives a writer of "fake clever" away is if he mentions the Peanut Gallery, or something similar to it. The Peanut Gallery is from the Howdy Doody show and it was the name for the in-studio children's audience. Why is this significant? Because no one even remotely near the target audience for a teen show is going to remember the Peanut Gallery, and chances are good they don't even know what it is.

So why do scriptwriters continue to reference the Peanut Gallery? Chances are they're too young for it as well, yet when they were kids watching TV, characters made references to the Peanut Gallery all the time -- because the scriptwriters THEN remembered it and it was a lot funnier to them. So today's writers get stuck on a line and suddenly think, "He should compare something or someone to the Peanut Gallery, because they always did that when I was a kid and it's easy to think of now."

That's what a Peanut Gallery line is. It makes no sense, but the important thing is that it makes a sentence look wittier than it actually is.

I didn't get this from TV Tropes, I realized it myself. Maybe I should add it....if I wasn't too lazy to make an account there.

[Webryder]

I have a question? Did anyone notice Clark using his heat vision RIGHT IN FRONT OF LOIS??? :eek: When I saw that I was like OMG! She knows his secret! And in a totally random and unpredictable way that was awesome. This is as big as the Chloe and Lana reveal due to it being entirely unexpected by them or the viewing audience. I was thinking she had to see right? Before the heat vision ruptured the steam pipe, she was looking directly at him.

But then after, there was no "Guess I can't call you smallville anymore" snark or even internal dilemma about whether she should sit on it or write the biggest story of her career. The show basically played out like nothing happened. She didn't even question how odd it was that the pipe burst at exactly the right time he needed a diversion to escape. This is LOIS LANE we're talking about here. All she could think about after that life and death situation she barely lives through was how wierd it was gonna be around the water cooler after that madman made me tell Clark I love him.

And if the writers didn't want her to see why not have Clark say, hey look at that giant sewer rat by your foot or something? Then when she's fidgeting furiously and shrieking in terror, he'd be free to do his thing with the pipe. Easy fix. Now people like me are left with nagging doubts of did she or didn't she see, if she didn't see, why not...all things that could take you right out of the ep.

Not that I didn't enjoy the ep. but wow, so out of character for both of them. Clark for being so careless with his powers especially with a thirsty investigative reporter sitting two feet in front of him and Lois for not questioning ANY of the circumstances behind their escape.

What could've been a 5 show was brought down to a 3 and a half because of that.

[Fett One]

I have a question? Did anyone notice Clark using his heat vision RIGHT IN FRONT OF LOIS??? :eek: When I saw that I was like OMG! She knows his secret! And in a totally random and unpredictable way that was awesome. This is as big as the Chloe and Lana reveal due to it being entirely unexpected by them or the viewing audience. I was thinking she had to see right? Before the heat vision ruptured the steam pipe, she was looking directly at him.

But then after, there was no "Guess I can't call you smallville anymore" snark or even internal dilemma about whether she should sit on it or write the biggest story of her career. The show basically played out like nothing happened. She didn't even question how odd it was that the pipe burst at exactly the right time he needed a diversion to escape. This is LOIS LANE we're talking about here. All she could think about after that life and death situation she barely lives through was how wierd it was gonna be around the water cooler after that madman made me tell Clark I love him.

And if the writers didn't want her to see why not have Clark say, hey look at that giant sewer rat by your foot or something? Then when she's fidgeting furiously and shrieking in terror, he'd be free to do his thing with the pipe. Easy fix. Now people like me are left with nagging doubts of did she or didn't she see, if she didn't see, why not...all things that could take you right out of the ep.

Not that I didn't enjoy the ep. but wow, so out of character for both of them. Clark for being so careless with his powers especially with a thirsty investigative reporter sitting two feet in front of him and Lois for not questioning ANY of the circumstances behind their escape.

What could've been a 5 show was brought down to a 3 and a half because of that.

Also, you would think she would question why his forehead injury was suddenly gone after he threw the bracelet into the drainage pipe. One moment he has a cut and blood on his forehead and the next he's perfectly fine (even the the blood was gone).

[Wonderwall]

Well I don't think people can see his heat vision so I don't see why that's a big deal. If I saw someone just looking at a pipe and then the pipe blows up while we're in a life or death situation, I'm probably not going to think "Wow he must have heat vision!!!" and the whole rat thing, Lois would never shriek in terror of a rat, especially when there's a more dangerous threat.

[Old Guy]

Well I don't think people can see his heat vision

Yea, the characters don't see his heat, breath, and x-ray visions. The audience does so it could look "cooler".

[Hobbes829]

The jimmy "secret" was unneccesary and added nothing to his character. Also, it's not something that any rational person would break up over. "I can't be with you! Your father is an alcoholic, even though i've never met him"

The Clark and Lois stuff has been great throughout the run of the show, and tonight was no different. The clark and Lana stuff dragged in the later seasons. the dean cain-terri hatcher lois and clark stuff was great for 1 and 1/2 season. Basically it was good up until they got them together. After they got together it became "i love you" what seemed like at least 5 times an episode. After a while i was like, i believed you loved each other more when you said you didn't.

When/if they get lois and clark together on smallville i don't think they'll drop the ball like they did on lois & clark.

The scene where ollie sees clark and lois "engaged" was fantastic. Not overplayed, very funny.

[Old Guy]

the dean cain-terri hatcher lois and clark stuff was great for 1 and 1/2 season. Basically it was good up until they got them together.

I disagree. Their chemistry was still good when they got together. It was the writing that sucked. And not just the writing on their scenes, but the show in general.

[Hobbes829]

I disagree. Their chemistry was still good when they got together. It was the writing that sucked. And not just the writing on their scenes, but the show in general.

I'll agree with that. I think they should have held off getting them together until at least season 4. The sexual tension was great, but the writers ruined it in later seasons. I also think that they hit it too on the head with the attraction in season 1.

As far as smallville goes, season 7 was really bad. More emphasis on visuals, not enough story and character. One of the worst things that they did was to break up clark and lana with the equivalent of a dear john letter. What was her reason? Because clark has a greater purpose. WTF? No one thinks that way, and it's just horrible writing. Clark should have broke up with her because she was no longer sweet girl next door he fell in love with. Hopefully clark will hit on the fact that it was a BS way to break up with him when she returns for either one or the couple episodes that she's supposed to.

So far this has be a decent season.

[Katsumara]

Pretty good episode for sure. I liked Lois's admission to Clark, even though she was "lying."

[Old Guy]

I'll agree with that. I think they should have held off getting them together until at least season 4.

The show BARELY made it to season 4. ABC screwed things up during season two. Season one was actually a great season. Yes, it lacked good action scenes but the writing was fantastic. But...seeing as how it is a Superman show the network forced them to focus more on cheap TV action scenes and the writing fell apart. Then, the show was on life-support for two seasons where the writing continued to get worse. Remember the Lois "clone saga"? Oh boy.

[DisneyBoy]

And I think that says something because it would be easy to go, "this isn't good enough! It blows! Fooey spitooey!!"

Well, when they MAKE it so easy, Nightwing can you really blame me for saying it?

Fooey! *I don't know what spitooey means*

Erica and Tom had much stronger chemistry back when the thought of them kissing seemed as unlikely as Lana having a good day. In season four, there was reason to think these two could work someday as a new generation's Lois and Clark. Maybe it was the blonde hair, but something is certainly missing.

Don't get me wrong, the episode started out well enough. I think we just need more time with Lois and Clark as co-workers before jumping into the love-fest...because it's coming off so hokey. I don't buy that Lois loves this guy. This season has felt like something of a rebirth of the series, so I'd really like for the writers to back off a bit with the hearts and arrows.

Sadly, though, it seems like we're headed for more angst and triangles when you-know-who returns to town.

Why does ANYBODY love this Clark, though? I mean, REALLY? Is he smart? Nope. Clever? Occassionally. It's like the women only care about his looks...

Anyways, I was suprised the see Chloe say she loves only Jimmy. Poor girl. I'm with Lois on this one. She's settling, in part, to move past the whole Clark thing. A bad decision for the right reason.

Clark, being the friend he is, covers it up for Lois, AND comes to believe that Lois was lying when she said she honestly loves him. Cute.

I agree, it was a nice ending. Good start, good ending, terrible 20 minutes in the middle.

I just don't like Oliver Queen

It may just be because of this thing with Mercy. It's strange. Something happened after the premiere. The season isn't quite working as well as I'd hope it would after that awesome start.

"Fake clever" is peppering the dialogue with whatever random references pop into your head.

Season Four Lois does that ALL THE TIME. I've come to expect it from this show. What really irks me, is that people might compare it to Gilmore Girls dialogue, which for six years was actually good.

[Hobbes829]

I think they were going for more buffy dialogue than gilmore girls. Gilmore girls always had great dialogue even if season 6 was a little weak story wise. Therein lies the problem, you can't write Joss Whedon-esque dialogue without the man himself. The worst example is when chloe says "keanue reeves dvd-a-thon" Makes me shudder everytime. Xander saying "Pierce Brosnan-y-ness" makes me laugh everytime.

I agree that i would have stretched out the whole lois and clark thing over the season. It seems a little fast, but in relation to how long the series has gone on, i think the pacing has been fairly natural considering the "will they, won't they" thing doesn't happen in real life. I would have waited until around half way through the season for this story.

I've never been a big fan of bringing Jimmy onto the show. It just seems as though they want to bring everyone from the Superman mythos onto smallville. Lois, i'm on board with, and Lex was fine considering Michael Rosenbaum was easily one of the best things on the show, but Jimmy is stretching it. I don't like that Metropolis is within driving distance of Smallville, but i'll suspend disbelief. Jimmy is suposed to be at least 5 years younger than clark and lois. The stories with Jimmy have been horrible. The film noir episode and the 007 thing were so utterly rediculous. I think Aaron Ashmore is talented, and think he would have been good as Pete Ross or someone else, but i just don't like the fact that he's jimmy on the show. I also don't like the fact that the writers have conveniently skated over the fact that he just happens to like identical to a villain from season 1 (and again in i think season 2/3)

I also agree that the Chloe/Jimmy relationship doesn't work. The actors don't have that spark. Fortunately, erica and tom do.

I agree, they need to show Clark's intelligence and ability as an investigative reporter without having to constantly relying on his powers.

[Old Guy]

I agree, they need to show Clark's intelligence and ability as an investigative reporter without having to constantly relying on his powers.

I know we've brought up Lois & Clark too much in this thread, but Dean Cain has been the ONLY Clark Kent to be believable as a reporter. George Reeves, like everything on that show, was cartoon-ish. Chris Reeve wasn't fired for some reason. Brandon Routh didn't actually do anything. And, Tom Welling doesn't seem to care.

[Batman]

Again The Lois & Clark dynamic comes through again this season . Erica & Tom have amazing on screen chemistry as Lane & Kent . The playful bantering between the two of them is a breath of fresh air to the up & down Roller Coaster between Clark & Lana (for the past previous 7 seasons .)

I like seeing Clark smile and to be happy this season . It's such a huge relief to the moopy whiny Clark from the previous 7 seasons with lana in his life in smallville.

[Old Guy]

Again The Lois & Clark dynamic comes through again this season . Erica & Tom have amazing on screen chemistry as Lane & Kent . The playful bantering between the two of them is a breath of fresh air to the up & down Roller Coaster between Clark & Lana (for the past previous 7 seasons .)

I like seeing Clark smile and to be happy this season . It's such a huge relief to the moopy whiny Clark from the previous 7 seasons with lana in his life in smallville.

Yes, for the first time Clark doesn't annoy me!

[Webryder]

Well I don't think people can see his heat vision so I don't see why that's a big deal. If I saw someone just looking at a pipe and then the pipe blows up while we're in a life or death situation, I'm probably not going to think "Wow he must have heat vision!!!" and the whole rat thing, Lois would never shriek in terror of a rat, especially when there's a more dangerous threat.

My point is that Lois not questioning the details of their escape after the room filled with steam and Clark not being more careful with his superpowers (the guy who's supposedly so scared of anyone finding out the big "secret" he spent years hiding it from the few people he was closest to) is way out of character for both of them at this point in their lives.

Who cares what distraction he uses to get her to look the other way. I'm just saying it might not be a good idea to be seen going around town superspeeding in packed nightclubs or heat visioning anything by any reporters, especially Lois, if he's planning to make a career out of using said abilities to save the world.

She won't have to throw herself off into a river to figure it out this time. As soon as she sees Superman shoot fire from his eyes, freeze raging rivers with his breathe and bounce bullets off his chest while saving her life for the hundredth time it'll be like a light switch going off.

The writers have to be conscious that these holes are building up, in this season alone, of him using his powers in plan view of the public (sans secret identity). The three I can think of off the top of my head are the Lois save, superspeeding in the nightclub and the HUGE bus save where he ripped the roof off the thing. Then in the next ep. when noone questions it and it's not even mentioned or shown to have any consequences while he's working AT a NEWSPAPER for pity's sake....:eek: :confused: :sweat:

Remember back in Season's 1 and 2? Fallon and Knox? He was so obviously busted using his powers but the writers had him face real dilemmas from those mistakes...where is that foresight now?

Now it's up to us to make up our own excuses for glaring plot holes ("Oh but you can't SEE the heat vision" or Hey, they were all drunk in that club anyway" or "What ripped off bus roof?" :rolleyes2:) just to not be pulled out of the ep.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

No body was paying attention in then nightclub and what with constant shifting I'd doubt anybody would think he was super fast just because he showed up somewhere he wasn't a second ago.

As for Lois, who is the say a part of him would not like for Lois to know?

[DisneyBoy]

I think Aaron Ashmore is talented, and think he would have been good as Pete Ross or someone else, but i just don't like the fact that he's jimmy on the show.

I don't know if I'd call him talented, but I think he can act capably. But him as Jimmy...it's just SO wide-eyed it's annoying. Maybe that's where they are headed this season with Chloe...her realizing she doesn't really love him as much as she'd like to be totally over Clark and with someone awesome.

All this to say, I agree - the moment we met the guy that Chloe lost her virginity too, I was like...."wha...?" Isn't your first time supposed to be with someone who gets you HOT? Chloe could easily get someone like Oliver if she tried. I mean come on...that smile alone should be turning heads! I don't know what's wrong with the men on this show. Oh wait, I do...they're too interested in wearing leather and "teaming up" for "special adventures" :p

I think they were going for more buffy dialogue than gilmore girls. Gilmore girls always had great dialogue even if season 6 was a little weak story wise.

Amen! I never really watched Buffy, though, so I wouldn't know. Don't you just HATE the whole Anna/April storyline?

I also don't like the fact that the writers have conveniently skated over the fact that he just happens to like identical to a villain from season 1 (and again in i think season 2/3)

Did Aaron (Jimmy) really play that cold guy from season one? Or was it his twin brother?

Oh! Wouldn't it have been cool if Jimmy's big secret to Chloe this week was that he has a TWIN BROTHER!?! :anime: That would be so cool! Getting the two of them to shoot one episode...

I know we've brought up Lois & Clark too much in this thread, but Dean Cain has been the ONLY Clark Kent to be believable as a reporter.

Old Man? More like Wise Man.

The playful bantering between the two of them is a breath of fresh air to the up & down Roller Coaster between Clark & Lana (for the past previous 7 seasons .)

When they're being playful, it is a breath of fresh air. When they're staring at one another for five minutes while soft music plays and nothing playful is happening, it's nauseating. Also, if you seriously think that these next two seasons won't be a roller coaster for Lois and Clark, you're kidding yourself. When has it EVER been smoothe sailing for those two? This may be a new romance, but it will also come with the same old angst we've always seen from Lana, because that's how these writers have always written things.

Oh wait...no, there was a time when they wrote half-decently...when was that again?

Remember back in Season's 1 and 2? Fallon and Knox? He was so obviously busted using his powers but the writers had him face real dilemmas from those mistakes...where is that foresight now?

Ahh yes. Seasons One and Two. When the show seemed to care about little things like plausability and consequences. Don't lose sleep at night over how often Clark uses his powers in plain sight. They're really not going to follow through on those. I gave up waiting on them to explain season one-related issues years ago. They don't follow through like that.

However, there will be an upcoming episode dealing with the whole idea of a secret identity, but methinks that will be a self-contained story. If they try to drudge up the past, they'll literally have Lois and Jimmy sitting at a table going back and forth for 40 minutes about "that time we were in the freezer and someone wearing red and blue blew warm air on us" and "that time I was captive with Clark, and some steam vent blew and the next thing I knew he was free and the bad guy was knocked out."

I'd doubt anybody would think he was super fast just because he showed up somewhere he wasn't a second ago.

No, they'd think he beamed down out of nowhere and was an alien or something.

[Webryder]

No body was paying attention in then nightclub and what with constant shifting I'd doubt anybody would think he was super fast just because he showed up somewhere he wasn't a second ago.

Wow, you should read what you just wrote. :eek: Just because he showed up somewhere he wasn't a second ago...? You know a plot hole is bad when the excuse trying to excuse it adds holes rather than resolves...:shrug:


As for Lois, who is the say a part of him would not like for Lois to know?

I'm sure a big part will eventually want her to know everything when they get closer. But that's been done to death in every other version of the Superman, Lois, Clark "love triangle." We even were subjected to a 5 and a half season preview of it with Lana and Chloe.

Here's how I think the writers should handle the "secret" when Lois and Clark officially become an item. It's very simple...he should just TELL HER! :D Then they deal with the good and the bad ramifications of that decision from there with good writing and compelling dialogue.

That way there's not the repeat of past tired relationship drama, Clark won't seem like a jackass for making the same mistake he made with Lana for years and the audience doesn't get fed up because Lois is once again uncharacteristicly portrayed as the world's most clueless girlfriend as she has in every other incarnation because she didn't see or question who was behind the glasses. I think it would be a bold move for Clark, the show, and the Superman mythos all together. It has the benefit of making perfect sense and being in character. :)

Now how many bet they go this direction or not? :sad:

P.S. It opens up a whole new slew of story concepts. Here's one...how about in this continuity it's not Martha that comes up with the basic idea of Clark wearing the suit, but LOIS!! She could even draw up rough sketches while Martha does the sewing. It's perfectly in character from when she dressed Clark for his first day of working for the Planet (in the phone booth..hint hint) thereby making the first ep of this season a cool subtle foreshadowing to that monumental event as if the writers had planned it all along.

That would be the culmination of the trust that's built between the two characters in a way he never shared with Lana or any of the women in his life since Ma Kent validating the love Clark has for Lois far beyond anything that's come before it.

The End...?

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Wow, you should read what you just wrote. :eek: Just because he showed up somewhere he wasn't a second ago...? You know a plot hole is bad when the excuse trying to excuse it adds holes rather than resolves...:shrug:



I'm sure a big part will eventually want her to know everything when they get closer. But that's been done to death in every other version of the Superman, Lois, Clark "love triangle." We even were subjected to a 5 and a half season preview of it with Lana and Chloe.

Here's how I think the writers should handle the "secret" when Lois and Clark officially become an item. It's very simple...he should just TELL HER! :D Then they deal with the good and the bad ramifications of that decision from there with good writing and compelling dialogue.

That way there's not the repeat of past tired relationship drama, Clark won't seem like a jackass for making the same mistake he made with Lana for years and the audience doesn't get fed up because Lois is once again uncharacteristicly portrayed as the world's most clueless girlfriend as she has in every other incarnation because she didn't see or question who was behind the glasses. I think it would be a bold move for Clark, the show, and the Superman mythos all together. It has the benefit of making perfect sense and being in character. :)

Now how many bet they go this direction or not? :sad:

P.S. It opens up a whole new slew of story concepts. Here's one...how about in this continuity it's not Martha that comes up with the basic idea of Clark wearing the suit, but LOIS!! She could even draw up rough sketches while Martha does the sewing. It's perfectly in character from when she dressed Clark for his first day of working for the Planet (in the phone booth..hint hint) thereby making the first ep of this season a cool subtle foreshadowing to that monumental event as if the writers had planned it all along.

That would be the culmination of the trust that's built between the two characters in a way he never shared with Lana or any of the women in his life since Ma Kent validating the love Clark has for Lois far beyond anything that's come before it.

The End...?

I've been a supporter of the idea of Lois knowing and creating Superman for quite some time. :)

As for the former line, when so many people are inside of a club and constantly shifting around it's possible that one person could appear somewhere one could not see him a minute ago because another body was blocking the view.

[Webryder]

As for the former line, when so many people are inside of a club and constantly shifting around it's possible that one person could appear somewhere one could not see him a minute ago because another body was blocking the view.

Maybe, but with cameras in the club, as we saw when Clark was viewing the footage to get a look at Maxima's face, highly unlikely. Lois or Chloe told him some guy was found dead outside the club that same day. What if a detective had viewed those tapes looking for suspects or witnesses like Clark did? Perfectly plausible and BAM...the secret is out! :eek:

But either way, it goes to the bigger point that Clark should be more careful with the use of his powers in public at his age and this late in the game. After 7 season's we should at least expect that much from his progression as a character on this show.

[The Penguin]

Man, I didn't realize I was in such a minority liking Jimmy and Jimmy & Chloe as a couple. She is never going to be with Clark and I'm glad she found someone she is happy with. I do have to wonder if she was actually telling the truth or if the "Brainiac energy" she has gave her the ability to defeat the polygraph. I'd prefer to think the former.

Regarding Jimmy being concerned about his lie about his father, I can understand why it scared him. He was embarrassed or concerned about how Chloe would react and he has carried this white lie for the entire time they have been together. What your parents do is maybe not a first date conversation, but it still seems like it would come up pretty early in a relationship. With all the talk from the jeweler about no more secrets it was obviously weighing on him.

Oliver being confused by finding Lois & Clark at the jewelry store was great. The look on his face was terrific. Not as terrific was the look on his face when Mercy told him he "scratched an itch" for her. It seems that while Ollie did well with his resolution to be make a difference with his life, he didn't completely reform when it came to his relationships. He probably contributed some to the hardening of Tess's heart, but I bet there is more to it than that.

The conversation Tess was having with her assistant seems to confirm the theory that I had that the 'X' at least implies the e-mail was from Lex even if he didn't send it. So the mystery isn't "who is X?" it's "is Lex the X or is someone pretending to be him?"

Clark giving Lois an out seemed pretty much in character with their early relationship and it made me smile. Good stuff.


Maybe, but with cameras in the club, as we saw when Clark was viewing the footage to get a look at Maxima's face, highly unlikely. Lois or Chloe told him some guy was found dead outside the club that same day. What if a detective had viewed those tapes looking for suspects or witnesses like Clark did? Perfectly plausible and BAM...the secret is out! :eek: It's a whole different debate on whether or not it makes sense, but I think we are supposed to assume that Clark moves too fast to get picked up by the camera unless it is slowed down to a level most wouldn't bother with.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Maybe, but with cameras in the club, as we saw when Clark was viewing the footage to get a look at Maxima's face, highly unlikely. Lois or Chloe told him some guy was found dead outside the club that same day. What if a detective had viewed those tapes looking for suspects or witnesses like Clark did? Perfectly plausible and BAM...the secret is out! :eek:

But either way, it goes to the bigger point that Clark should be more careful with the use of his powers in public at his age and this late in the game. After 7 season's we should at least expect that much from his progression as a character on this show.

Future plot line fodder! :p

[mookie75]

My point is that Lois not questioning the details of their escape after the room filled with steam and Clark not being more careful with his superpowers (the guy who's supposedly so scared of anyone finding out the big "secret" he spent years hiding it from the few people he was closest to) is way out of character for both of them at this point in their lives.

Who cares what distraction he uses to get her to look the other way. I'm just saying it might not be a good idea to be seen going around town superspeeding in packed nightclubs or heat visioning anything by any reporters, especially Lois, if he's planning to make a career out of using said abilities to save the world.

She won't have to throw herself off into a river to figure it out this time. As soon as she sees Superman shoot fire from his eyes, freeze raging rivers with his breathe and bounce bullets off his chest while saving her life for the hundredth time it'll be like a light switch going off.

The writers have to be conscious that these holes are building up, in this season alone, of him using his powers in plan view of the public (sans secret identity). The three I can think of off the top of my head are the Lois save, superspeeding in the nightclub and the HUGE bus save where he ripped the roof off the thing. Then in the next ep. when noone questions it and it's not even mentioned or shown to have any consequences while he's working AT a NEWSPAPER for pity's sake....:eek: :confused: :sweat:

Remember back in Season's 1 and 2? Fallon and Knox? He was so obviously busted using his powers but the writers had him face real dilemmas from those mistakes...where is that foresight now?

Now it's up to us to make up our own excuses for glaring plot holes ("Oh but you can't SEE the heat vision" or Hey, they were all drunk in that club anyway" or "What ripped off bus roof?" :rolleyes2:) just to not be pulled out of the ep.

I still think it's highly unlikely that we'll ever see Tom Welling's Clark become a full-fledged Superman. With that in mind, all of these plot holes that you speak of mean next to nothing to everyone with the exception of the die-hard Superman fans. Who cares if Erica Durance's Lois is every bit as blind as Terri Hatcher's was, since she'll likely never have the opportunity to look at Tom Welling in blue tights and a red cape and say, "Clark, what the @#$% are you wearing?"

I understand that it's a big deal to people that know all the ins and outs of the Superman mythos, but realistically, it just doesn't matter in a show that is supposed to be about Clark Kent before he became Superman. The future that so many fans fear for will likely never exist beyond the realms of your imaginations.

I'm sure I'm making many a fanboy head explode right now..... :p

[Webryder]

Future plot line fodder! :p
Future?:confused: Clark being caught on tape using his abilities have been "fodder" since season 1. Shouldn't he be well into learning his lesson by now? :sad: I just want a little more consistentcy in the characters actions is all. Both Lana and Chloe found out his secret when he didn't know he was being watched, not because he chose to tell them the truth.

With all his powers and speed, he's more than able to make most saves virtually undetected (as evidenced in the last episode). Why write him into positions where it looks like he's being casual with his abilities like using them while in someone's direct line of site when it's easily fixed?

Consequence being if you write characters that don't learn from their past they become stale and there's no progression so you keep having to rip off past plot line fodder to show why they still make the same mistakes as they did 6 seasons ago.


I still think it's highly unlikely that we'll ever see Tom Welling's Clark become a full-fledged Superman. With that in mind, all of these plot holes that you speak of mean next to nothing to everyone with the exception of the die-hard Superman fans. Who cares if Erica Durance's Lois is every bit as blind as Terri Hatcher's was, since she'll likely never have the opportunity to look at Tom Welling in blue tights and a red cape and say, "Clark, what the @#$% are you wearing?"

I understand that it's a big deal to people that know all the ins and outs of the Superman mythos, but realistically, it just doesn't matter in a show that is supposed to be about Clark Kent before he became Superman. The future that so many fans fear for will likely never exist beyond the realms of your imaginations.

I'm sure I'm making many a fanboy head explode right now.....

Missed the point mook. Even if Clark doesn't become Superman in the span of the show, that's irrelevant. This is a drama series not a soap. Characters not behaving according to what their own continuity has set up in the realm of the show is just wrong. Bad writing period. It alienates and confuses the fanbase that have stuck with the show since the beginning and it prevents newer viewers from being able to get invested in these characters.

I'm not saying the show has to conform to the "ins and outs of the Superman mythos" since frankly it hasn't so far why start now and more importantly, there is no set rules of Superman doctrine. I'm just asking that the show conform to what the show itself has established these characters to be. For instance, even though he's not Superman yet he still can't go around melting bad guys with heat vision or punching their heads off which he could easily do and solve Metropolis's crime problems in a week. Why, because in the shows continuity, this Clark values life above all else and would find another way (like say putting on a suit and becoming a symbol for others to follow by inspiring people to better themselves thru his leadership).

At this point in time Clark should have a firm grasp of right and wrong and be comfortable with the use of his powers enough to know how to not risk exposing himself everytime they're used.

[Nightwing]

Well, when they MAKE it so easy, Nightwing can you really blame me for saying it?

Nope.



Fooey! *I don't know what spitooey means*From so many years of use, I didn't realize I made that word up. It's just like saying "spit" except with some more bells and whistles on it. So think of it like "spitting."


Erica and Tom had much stronger chemistry back when the thought of them kissing seemed as unlikely as Lana having a good day.LOL! Swish!



Season Four Lois does that ALL THE TIME. I've come to expect it from this show.Yeah Season 4 Lois really got hit by that change. She was still Lois, sort of, but her strength started to fade because of that writing. There were hilarious moments that were Lois-LIKE though. Like when Jimmy got a suspicious new girlfriend, and the four went out to dinner. In order to talk to Clark about sudden "AHA!" realizations that came up from conversation with the girl, Lois pretends to drop her chopsticks and goes under the table to whisper to Clark with a "see!? I TOLD you something was suspicious about this girl!!" tone. Great times.


I'm sure I'm making many a fanboy head explode right now..... :p

Nope. The Smallville concept as a show does that automatically. Webryder's right, and he's right about the holes too. It just happens when you do a concept like this into a show. It is will happen no matter what, because you were not-smart enough to make this into a show in the first place and plan for it to go on forever.

I mean, did anyone think it was weird that Clark "opened" the door to the evil basement by making it explode, essentially? I'm cool with it, because Clark does that because he knows I like when he does that. On a show like this, however, you can't really always do that because you're walking on eggshells trying not to break cannon.

[Webryder]

Yeah Season 4 Lois really got hit by that change. She was still Lois, sort of, but her strength started to fade because of that writing. There were hilarious moments that were Lois-LIKE though. Like when Jimmy got a suspicious new girlfriend, and the four went out to dinner. In order to talk to Clark about sudden "AHA!" realizations that came up from conversation with the girl, Lois pretends to drop her chopsticks and goes under the table to whisper to Clark with a "see!? I TOLD you something was suspicious about this girl!!" tone. Great times.

I like Lois this season. She has a real reason to be on the show now (no matter how arbitrary the circumstances allowing her to get the DP job were, if they can somehow mold her into a good Lois Lane instead of an ex-Chloe-Clone, I can forgive em). Erica, I think has her personality down (Lois likes pants...pants on everyone, I guess the Olsens not so wholesome) and her interaction with Clark is compelling to watch in alot of places in this ep. It's just up to the writers to convince me her character on the show is capable of being a pulitzer prize winning journalist cuz I don't buy it yet. Thats the only thing that's missing in my mind.:)


It just happens when you do a concept like this into a show. It is will happen no matter what, because you were not-smart enough to make this into a show in the first place and plan for it to go on forever.

I mean, did anyone think it was weird that Clark "opened" the door to the evil basement by making it explode, essentially? I'm cool with it, because Clark does that because he knows I like when he does that. On a show like this, however, you can't really always do that because you're walking on eggshells trying not to break cannon.

I think you have a point Nightwing. The show has seemed to lack direction since season 4 and never really found it again. Season 1-3 they knew what they wanted to do and did it, but after, it's obvious they're making it up as they go. Which is why you have oft reused plots, characters doing things out of character, Lionel and Lex fluctuating between being sympathetic or wholly evil, Chloe/Clark/Lana stuck in seemingly endless lovestruck mode since first season and Lois and Jimmy thrown in the mix just for the sake of novelty (Although they at least gave Lois a good reason to be on the show at first).

I don't know if the show ever recovered from the shark jump that was season 4, but it's not for the lack of trying and that's why I remain hopeful they'll be able to right the ship before too many viewers have abandoned it.:eek:

Sometimes I feel like the kid from Superman III. Shouting, "Superman you're just in a slump, you'll be great again," as he flies away drunk and disgraced, a shell of his former self.:crying: I guess that would make the writers Gus Gorman and season 4 Tar Kryptonite. ;)

[Old Guy]

Well, anyway, as great as this episode (and the ones before it were) things are gonna REALLY pick up next week. DOOMSDAY!!!!!!!!!! Did you guys see the preview? To quote Frank Barone, "HOLY CRAP!" Did you see Doomsdays bloody teeth? Awesome!

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[DisneyBoy]

:p From so many years of use, I didn't realize I made that word up. It's just like saying "spit" except with some more bells and whistles on it. So think of it like "spitting."

...yeah. That much I got. ;)

In order to talk to Clark about sudden "AHA!" realizations that came up from conversation with the girl, Lois pretends to drop her chopsticks and goes under the table to whisper to Clark with a "see!? I TOLD you something was suspicious about this girl!!" tone. Great times.

Missed that episode I guess...but yup. Those were better times for this Lois and Clark. Even that moment where Lois looks at Clark emerging from the fundraising dunk tank, and he smiles back and messes up his wet hair. It's total non-verbal flirting, and it's HOT. Nothing between them this season is hot. At. All.

[Russkafin]

DB and Nightwing, you guys are both L&C fans... did either of you think Jimmy was going to say his dad was a secret agent??

[Nightwing]

DB and Nightwing, you guys are both L&C fans... did either of you think Jimmy was going to say his dad was a secret agent??

LOL!!! YES and no. I said it to the TV (yay for talking to the TV) because it was obviously the first thing that came to mind, but I said it as a partial joke, because when it comes to comic world/characters you never know. Obviously there are a lot of different interpretations out there. Lois' dad is a good example. Is he an Airforce dude? A Doctor? It depends.

Even though this show is trying to do something similar to a specific interpretation of Superman that focused on the Lois and Clark relationship (Lois & Clark) you still obviously couldn't hold them to make Jimmy's dad a secret agent.

[Webryder]

Even though this show is trying to do something similar to a specific interpretation of Superman that focused on the Lois and Clark relationship (Lois & Clark) you still obviously couldn't hold them to make Jimmy's dad a secret agent.

Secret agent or no, I would've prefered the secret about Jimmy's dad having something to do with the plot or ANY plot for that matter, not being completely irrelevant.:sad:

[Silly McGooses]

So, a friend of mine who STILL watches this show (!) says that Doomsday is basically just some dude. Which...I guess shouldn't be surprised by. But doesn't making him anything other than an enormous killing machine sort of defeat his single character trait?

[Jacob T. Paschal]

So, a friend of mine who STILL watches this show (!) says that Doomsday is basically just some dude. Which...I guess shouldn't be surprised by. But doesn't making him anything other than an enormous killing machine sort of defeat his single character trait?

I dunno, he grew a soul in the comics and became one of Superman's allies and in JLU he had a brain of his own. Didn't stop him from getting the heck beaten out o' 'im, but...

[DisneyBoy]

DB and Nightwing, you guys are both L&C fans... did either of you think Jimmy was going to say his dad was a secret agent??

No..well, I don't remember...this was more my line of thought:

Secret agent or no, I would've prefered the secret about Jimmy's dad having something to do with the plot or ANY plot for that matter, not being completely irrelevant.

As for Doomsday, he has about as much character as a WWF wrestler. He existed to fight Superman. The writers had established that nothing could kill Superman - not the kryptonite, or asteriods or Lois learning the secret - so they just came up with this brute so they could kill him and do stories about that. Doomsday has never been interesting except for the fact that he's the thing that actually *did* kill Superman. So for them to play around with this Davis Bloome thing here is a little interesting.

Frankly, I'm reserving judgement until we see how this plays out. As I said in another talkback, they've very quickly run through the obvious list of things we all saw happening to Davis...so how is this story going to stretch over the course of the season? If I can look back and say that Davis Bloome surprised and entertained me for 22 episodes, then I think we can say it's been a good move. But for now...it's just...a move. Nice to see someone attractive flirting with Chloe (sorry Jimmy), but beyond that...all we've got is a good actor in a potentially poopy role. If he turns into a Jason and that's all we get, prepare for the tossing of the grocery items at the producers.