Dante Basco to voice Zuko in an online "Zutarian Finale" project [Archive]

Swonker

10-12-2008, 10:22 PM

Dante Basco will be providing the voice of Zuko in an animated project that focuses on a Zutarian version of the Finale.

The project, which was originally conceived by bluetarako of deviantart, has been gathering various writers, animators, voice actors, (mostly from deviantart) and more to create their own version of the finale.

Well-known Zutarian GreenifyMe will be working alongside Dante as the voice of Katara for the project.

The original information regarding Dante was retrieved from bluetarako.deviantart.com/journal/20955780/ (http://bluetarako.deviantart.com/journal/20955780/)

bluetarako, who is friends with Dante via Myspace, personally asked him if he was interested in the project. Dante said it "looked fun," and was "curious to know how it was going to end."

Dante's Myspace page: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=2284901

Source: http://forums.avatarspirit.net/index.php?topic=15598.0

...I ... I can't seem to properly wrap my mind around this.

Hurricane V1

10-12-2008, 10:37 PM

MegaJ

10-12-2008, 11:42 PM

Zutarians: YOU LOST.

Don't worry guys, you still have fanfic, fanart, and the pretty good point that the writers did not really develop Katara's feelings for Aang.

Racattack!Force

10-13-2008, 07:35 AM

...Yes! :D The correct ending shall be made. :anime: Fan-made sure, but it's still great.

Gan Xingba

10-13-2008, 08:10 AM

Even though this a non profit fanfiction project, I imagine there would be legal consequences to him voicing Zuko again. Years ago, there was a website that focused on pokeshipping/twerpshipping from Pokemon, and the site owners were able to get Ash's voice actress, Veronica Taylor, to create a few audio clips for them featuring Ash saying things like "I love you Misty". The clips were up for less than two days before the site owners were contacted and told to take them down.

You are correct. Voice actors are not allowed to voice the characters they play in the real thing for fan productions and such. The one exception I've seen to this rule is Kyle Hebert using his DBZ announcer voice, but I think that's a loophole since it's not really a character. I have a feeling Dante will be forced to back out once he realizes this, lest he feel the wrath of the Viacom Copyright Ninja Brigade. This is assuming, of course, that he actually agreed to this in the first place.

Legal issues aside...I guess I don't really understand this. Then again, when it comes to fanfics, I've always been a very "by the book" kind of guy, so maybe I'm not the right one to ask. I admit, though, I enjoy that Watertribe AU comic by Rufftoon, so maybe this'll be entertaining, too. Who knows?

Uzemaki Goku

10-13-2008, 10:25 AM

..uh-huh. WOW. Shippers, they're so crazy...

Also, I'm not sure Dante Bosco might not have really agreed to this, they might just be saying that he is. I don't know, part of this just doesn't sit well with me.

zoombie

10-13-2008, 11:03 AM

What about actors voicing characters on shows like Robot Chicken and Family Guy? If it is for parody, it is okay.

creativerealms

10-13-2008, 02:40 PM

...Yes! :D The correct ending shall be made. :anime: Fan-made sure, but it's still great.

if by correct you mean utterly wrong then yes it is the "correct ending"

Racattack!Force

10-13-2008, 04:01 PM

if by correct you mean utterly wrong then yes it is the "correct ending"
It was a joke. :sweat: I supported Zutara, but die-hard fans making their own ending...:shrug:

Harlan_Phoenix

10-13-2008, 04:10 PM

....

What?

Rasputin

10-13-2008, 04:36 PM

My facepalm shattered the walls of reality.

But you know what? Let's not be too negative about this. As utterly insane as the Zutarian brigade can be, there's no denying that they can be a pretty talented artistic bunch when they try (literary merit notwithstanding). With sufficient dedication and chutzpah, they may pull something fairly decent out of this painfully misconceived concept.

At the very least, it can't turn out worse than the Invader Zim Fan Animated Series did. That was a flaming ball of wreckage and then some...

Racattack!Force

10-13-2008, 05:01 PM

At the very least, it can't turn out worse than the Invader Zim Fan Animated Series did. That was a flaming ball of wreckage and then some...
The what-a-diddy-who-ha??? :confused: Never heard of it...

Taco Wiz

10-13-2008, 05:17 PM

The fan animated Invader ZIM series only lasted one episode. It was a pretty good episode, though.

Dudley

10-13-2008, 05:23 PM

Racattack!Force

10-13-2008, 05:26 PM

The fan animated Invader ZIM series only lasted one episode. It was a pretty good episode, though.
Oh, I remember seeing it on Newgrounds. The Most Horrible Short Ever (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/332880). Wasn't that good though. The humor was a bit off, Zim was out-of-character in the last half, Dib sounded weird in his brief appearance., and GIR...just wasn't the same (though his "I ate it like a monkey would!" line was pretty great). :sad: It was decent though. The fact they needed 10+ writers for just one 2-minute short is weird.

catlove390

10-13-2008, 05:31 PM

**SIGH** yeah, I know...it's downright Psychotic, if people can't accept the fact that the creators of Avatar wanted Aang to be with Katara from the beginning if you ask me.

Cat

Katsumara

10-13-2008, 05:37 PM

inc fail.

Fail incoming!

When I saw the header of "Dante Basco to voice Zuko in.." I was thinking it'd be about his mom. Way to get my hopes up, only to dash them.

Racattack!Force

10-13-2008, 05:41 PM

**SIGH** yeah, I know...it's downright Psychotic, if people can't accept the fact that the creators of Avatar wanted Aang to be with Katara from the beginning if you ask me.

Cat
Eh, I still support Zutara. I accept the fact it wasn't in the creator's minds, but I still wanted to see it.

P.S. - Do you still have me on ignore? :confused:

Rasputin

10-13-2008, 05:56 PM

Oh, I remember seeing it on Newgrounds. The Most Horrible Short Ever (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/332880). Wasn't that good though. The humor was a bit off, Zim was out-of-character in the last half, Dib sounded weird in his brief appearance., and GIR...just wasn't the same (though his "I ate it like a monkey would!" line was pretty great). :sad: It was decent though. The fact they needed 10+ writers for just one 2-minute short is weird.

Too many chefs spoil the broth. For every decent technical worker we had, there was at least two dozen hideously sub-standard contributors who did nothing but send in script after ghastly script. This latter group, incidentally, included me. I'm actually a little impressed that Cyberen stuck with it for years after I jumped ship and pulled together enough people to make a short. But as can be evidenced by having one 90-second piece after four years of effort, it was hardly the most efficient operation. Quality control was non-existent, and I was as much to blame for that as anyone.

CartoonOverlord

10-13-2008, 06:01 PM

I saw the original title for this topic and I assumed it was about Zuko finding Ursa, which I could find myself being behind. Now that I realize what it is, I can roll my eyes and shake my head due to the absurd farce of it all.

Ryusuke

10-13-2008, 07:03 PM

inc fail.

Fail incoming!

When I saw the header of "Dante Basco to voice Zuko in.." I was thinking it'd be about his mom. Way to get my hopes up, only to dash them.
This...is exactly what I thought.

Meh, well, good for those guys for getting Dante in their little project. Might be amusing, but I won't be the one watching it. :sweat:

judyindisguise

10-13-2008, 07:14 PM

Wow, you mean fans can change the endings of any show or movie they obsess over? If this catches on, I predict a rash of poorly-acted, poorly-written YouTube downloads that end with the line, "Frankly, my dear, I DO give a damn." :p

Although, really, you'd think those poor deluded Zutarians would save their money and time and just watch "The Ember Island Players" episode over and over. True, it isn't "canon", but at least their off-kilter fantasies got acknowledged...

Mad Mod 49

10-13-2008, 07:44 PM

Meh, nothing the deluded shippers can ever do will ever top the actual Avatar creators' Zutara ending. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bNEMEWcp00) :p

Tash

10-13-2008, 08:43 PM

Meh, nothing the deluded shippers can ever do will ever top the actual Avatar creators' Zutara ending. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bNEMEWcp00) :p
I find it most hilarious that the shippers in the video actually had a positive reaction to that.

Harlan_Phoenix

10-13-2008, 08:59 PM

Why do people actually call these shippers Zutarians?

Antiyonder

10-13-2008, 09:07 PM

So a group of fans refuse to accept the fact that the creators of the show made the hero fall for the girl which is more logical than their alternative and they're putting al their effort and time to make the ending they wanted?

As I've stated before, some people consider the actual pairings to be illogical because they lack the sterotypical rules of romance. Aang/Katara for instance isn't well received because Aang while tough isn't your typical meat eating macho man. Heck, unlike most guys in fiction, he's capable of expressing an interest in romance rather than being disgusted by it.

As for Zuko and Mai. Once again, sterotypical rules state that the prince must go for the girly girl character. Mai, while not ugly doesn't fit that trait.

MegaJ

10-13-2008, 09:26 PM

Hell hath no fury like a fangirl scorned.

As I've stated before, some people consider the actual pairings to be illogical because they lack the sterotypical rules of romance.
Not to mention the age difference. I'm no Zutarian, but if they just left it at that hug I would not have been squicked.

Flame Alchemist

10-13-2008, 09:46 PM

:ack:
Why do people actually call these shippers Zutarians?
Zuko + Katara = Zutara
Zutara + ian (like Canadians) = Zutarian

What else would call them? Zuko and Katara shippers? That's a lot to type out every time you want to refer to them.

Antiyonder

10-13-2008, 09:58 PM

Not to mention the age difference. I'm no Zutarian, but if they just left it at that hug I would not have been squicked.

I can see why the kiss would be disturbing for some, but considering that both characters had to grow up pretty fast and that the kiss was one of love over lust, I think it's appropriate in the given context.

Dudley

10-13-2008, 10:08 PM

As I've stated before, some people consider the actual pairings to be illogical because they lack the sterotypical rules of romance. Aang/Katara for instance isn't well received because Aang while tough isn't your typical meat eating macho man. Heck, unlike most guys in fiction, he's capable of expressing an interest in romance rather than being disgusted by it.

As for Zuko and Mai. Once again, sterotypical rules state that the prince must go for the girly girl character. Mai, while not ugly doesn't fit that trait.

I can't help but think that something here is really, really stupid.
Be it the concept, or the fans, I'm just not sure...

Antiyonder

10-13-2008, 10:27 PM

I can't help but think that something here is really, really stupid.
Be it the concept, or the fans, I'm just not sure...

Some of the fans are pretty level headed and rationale (Heck one Zutarian even did a fic with the canon pairings in mind). Now as to why the more extreme fans take the pairing too serious I can't imagine why.

RockmanDash

10-13-2008, 10:31 PM

Wait...WHAT? Ok really people who believe in ZukoXKatara you need to face some facts. IT"S NEVER GOING TO BE REAL NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF FANFICS YOU USE! >_> Well at least fans are not going all AangXZuko on all of this.

Light Lucario

10-13-2008, 10:43 PM

inc fail.

Fail incoming!

When I saw the header of "Dante Basco to voice Zuko in.." I was thinking it'd be about his mom. Way to get my hopes up, only to dash them.

I know what you mean. I thought of the same thing when I first saw the title. Then I read the information and all my hopes of a special with Zuko finding his mom already were dashed. That was a shame.

As for the actual news,...yeah, shippers can do really odd things like this. I've seen plenty of other out-of-nowhere shippings in anime, Dawn and Paul from Pokemon and Seto Kaiba and Serenity from Yu-Gi-Oh! being two of the weirdest ones I've ever seen, but they never went as far as this. I would be actually surprised if Dante Basco agreed to do this since it sounds more like the ZukoxKarata fans just saying something to get their project noticed to me.

Gokou Ruri

10-13-2008, 10:48 PM

I'm not a shipper, I find it to be pointless (I only care about canon stuff) but I have to say... Zutara had a lot more basis than Aangtara did; part of which is some weird reverse psychology in the creators. In the late second season and the third, they started trolling the Zutara fanbase by throwing little hints in. The funny thing is, in doing so, they actually made it a lot more plausible than Aangtara in their attempt. Think about it.. Aang and Katara first addresses romance before the invasion, to which basically boils down to "let's talk about it later". Everything before that amounts to typical "Character A(ang) has a one-sided crush on Character B (Katara), but never brings it up or tries to develop it." Pretty standard stuff... so far. On the other hand, though, Katara has always shown to be motherly towards Aang and had no romantic feelings for him, treating him like a child (specifically, her own child). Then in the finale they hook up in a typical "hero gets the girl" ending, which I felt was kind of odd since there was no real development in it.

I felt Danny/Sam was rushed and undeveloped, Aang/Katara was also rushed and underdeveloped, but had kind of a weird vibe to it due to Katara being so motherly to him :sweat: Zuko and Katara, though, never had a "motherly" vibe. It falls to the typical "bad boy" routine, but I'd honestly take that over the alternative, especially with the interaction between them after he joined the team. So in the creators attempt to fuel the fires and make fun of the Zutarians, they actually made it more plausible and developed than the other relationships. How ironic

Mad Mod 49

10-13-2008, 11:40 PM

Think about it.. Aang and Katara first addresses romance before the invasion, to which basically boils down to "let's talk about it later". Everything before that amounts to typical "Character A(ang) has a one-sided crush on Character B (Katara), but never brings it up or tries to develop it." Pretty standard stuff... so far. On the other hand, though, Katara has always shown to be motherly towards Aang and had no romantic feelings for him, treating him like a child (specifically, her own child). Then in the finale they hook up in a typical "hero gets the girl" ending, which I felt was kind of odd since there was no real development in it.

Five words. THE. CAVE. OF. TWO. LOVERS. Rewatch that and tell me Katara had no romantic feelings toward him at that stage. :yawn:

So in the creators attempt to fuel the fires and make fun of the Zutarians, they actually made it more plausible and developed than the other relationships. How ironic.

No, they didn't. They're just making fun of Zutarians, and the Zutarians are too blinded by their ship to see that and mistake it for plausability. Any plausability Zutara had went out the window when Zuko betrayed her in Book 2's finale. If Katara honestly forgave him to the extent that she'd go out with him in the end over someone who has been loyal to her through and through, she'd be an idiot.

Antiyonder

10-13-2008, 11:53 PM

I'm not a shipper, I find it to be pointless (I only care about canon stuff) but I have to say...

Nothing wrong with shipping as long as the shipper has no deniability problems. Regular Zutarians who maintain a level head in this case I can at least respect their maturity. Zutarians who think the finale's novelization ending was non canon because of the couple or make statements akin to "How dare that the writers keep true to their intent" are the ones that are problematic.

Gokou Ruri

10-14-2008, 04:19 AM

Five words. THE. CAVE. OF. TWO. LOVERS. Rewatch that and tell me Katara had no romantic feelings toward him at that stage. :yawn: Any specific examples from it? What I gather in the episode is she suggusts trying to kiss to get out of the cave without putting any romantic big deal about it. She finds it a bit awkward about kissing a friend, but it's clear Aang takes it way more seriously than Katara does in terms of romance.

Though even if for the sake of argument we say it's a hint, it doesn't really change the fact it's only one example in fourty episodes, and it never actually develops beyond "crush" stage up until the end of the series.

ifthismeansevos

10-14-2008, 11:14 AM

MegaJ

10-14-2008, 11:44 AM

No, they didn't. They're just making fun of Zutarians, and the Zutarians are too blinded by their ship to see that and mistake it for plausability.
I don't think they were making fun of Zutarians or intentionally teasing them. The way I see it, I think the TPTB were just making some sort of connection with Katara and Zuko, back in the 2nd season finale and 3rd season finale. Think about it, Zuko is a pretty handsome guy and they're both teenagers, I do not doubt that at some level she was attracted to him (either romantically or sexually, possibly the latter). While her heart was with Aang, I think after Zuko joined the group and really helped her out in The Southern Raiders I think she was considering (CONSIDERING, not going to hook-up with him) Zuko as a potential partner, which led to her confused feelings later in The Ember Island Players.

Zuko and Katara, though, never had a "motherly" vibe. It falls to the typical "bad boy" routine, but I'd honestly take that over the alternative, especially with the interaction between them after he joined the team.
Zutara is cliche, but the characters are so well developed that I think that this could be a well-written relationship and completely plausible. Of course, Kataraang won out.

Though even if for the sake of argument we say it's a hint, it doesn't really change the fact it's only one example in fourty episodes, and it never actually develops beyond "crush" stage up until the end of the series.
The Zutarians may be crazy, but they always bring up the good point that Katara's feelings for Aang were never really developed, especially after he forced-kissed her two times. Doesn't really send a good message, IMO.

judyindisguise

10-14-2008, 11:51 AM

Five words. THE. CAVE. OF. TWO. LOVERS. Rewatch that and tell me Katara had no romantic feelings toward him at that stage. :yawn:

No, they didn't. They're just making fun of Zutarians, and the Zutarians are too blinded by their ship to see that and mistake it for plausability. Any plausability Zutara had went out the window when Zuko betrayed her in Book 2's finale. If Katara honestly forgave him to the extent that she'd go out with him in the end over someone who has been loyal to her through and through, she'd be an idiot.

Well, of course. Aang truly cared for Katara, and it's been obvious from the first episode. It took her some time to adjust to this "boy in the iceberg", but there was never any real question about her feelings for him. But tell that to a Zutarian, and all you'll hear is a zooming sound as it shoots over her head. Honestly, there are some fangirls who are so hung up on the "bad boy" character - no matter what show he's in - that no amount of reason or logic will dissuade them from their fixation. One can only hope it doesn't extend to their real-life experiences. Don't we all know girls who attach themselves to "bad boys", thinking they can change them, only to find out that real life is far far different from fanfic...?

Scirel

10-14-2008, 01:44 PM

You know, I think Zutarans wouldn`t be so mad if the creators did a few things:

1. Not up-pitch Aang's voice over the course of the show, so he could be shown maturing even more.

2. Make Katara closer to aang's age, and I gotta be honest, every time they interacted it seemed she acted as a "responsible older sister" rather than "potential girlfriend" to Aang.

3. While in the official ages, Aang is only a bit younger than Katara, they are worlds apart in maturity. I find it really hard to see Aang as even looking for romance since he is only 12(when girls are still supposed to be "icky") and his voice makes it seem like he hasn`t gone through puberty.

4. And, I know this has been said a million times, but it seems like the writers deliberately kept putting Katara and Zuko in common romanitc situations("he's not my boyfriend!" please, come on) to piss people off instead of actually developing katara's feeling for Aang.

Antiyonder

10-14-2008, 01:52 PM

3. While in the official ages, Aang is only a bit younger than Katara, they are worlds apart in maturity. I find it really hard to see Aang as even looking for romance since he is only 12(when girls are still supposed to be "icky") and his voice makes it seem like he hasn`t gone through puberty.

Except that not all boys are believers of the girls being icky. When it comes to gender sterotypes, there are always going to be those who break the sterotypical rules.

And that's what I was talking about earlier. Their relationship doesn't lack validity just because they choose not to give into the sterotypes.

Scirel

10-14-2008, 01:55 PM

Except that not all boys are believers of the girls being icky. When it comes to gender sterotypes, there are always going to be those who break the sterotypical rules.

But yet in every other concievable way, Aang acted like a 12 year old.

The creators seemed to focus more on spiteing those who liked Zutara rather than Supporting their case for kataang in the scripts themselves.

These are not just stereotypes, they're reasonable things you would expect of people to do. We really never got to see Katara's side of the story. Going by HER, there were more things making her in common/compatible with Zuko rather than Aang. Instead of playing up katara + aang getting to know and love each other, they decided to give a middle finger to the zutarans, ending up with everyone losing.

It basically seemed like:

Aang: i`m the avatar, I saved the world, and I love you.

Katara: ok.

:makes out:

granted, that's a big generalization, but katara never treated Aang with anything more than the fact that they needed to help him save the world, and that she had grown to care for him because of her developed maternal instinct since her mother had died. Aang and katara never shared a romantic moment that SHE thought was romantic. Neither did katara and zuko, but that's the point. They SHOULD have if the writers wanted to establish them as the main couple.

Antiyonder

10-14-2008, 02:02 PM

But yet in every other concievable way, Aang acted like a 12 year old.

Sure, but he's had moments of maturity too. Fact is we adhere to some sterotypes, but we all have aspects which go against said sterotypes as well. I for one enjoy action in the cartoons as much as the next boy when I was younger, but I enjoyed shows with romance just the same

The creators seemed to focus more on spiteing those who liked Zutara rather than Supporting their case for kataang in the scripts themselves.

I doubt it's Zutarians in general they were annoyed with, but just the ones who took it to the extreme. It's one thing for someone to say they prefer Katara and Zuko, but for someone to say "the writers are wrong for sticking to their plans rather than conforming to our way of thinking" is when they go overboard.

These are not just stereotypes, they're reasonable things you would expect of people to do.

Generalized statements even if they have truth to them are sterotypes none the less.

We really never got to see Katara's side of the story. Going by HER, there were more things making her in common/compatible with Zuko rather than Aang. Instead of playing up katara + aang getting to know and love each other, they decided to give a middle finger to the zutarans, ending up with everyone losing.

How can you be sure that they weren't building up a friendship between the two?

Scirel

10-14-2008, 02:11 PM

Sure, but he's had moments of maturity too. Fact is we adhere to some sterotypes, but we all have aspects which go against said sterotypes as well. I for one enjoy action in the cartoons as much as the next boy when I was younger, but I enjoyed shows with romance just the same

I doubt it's Zutarians in general they were annoyed with, but just the ones who took it to the extreme. It's one thing for someone to say they prefer Katara and Zuko, but for someone to say "the writers are wrong for sticking to their plans rather than conforming to our way of thinking" is when they go overboard.

Generalized statements even if they have truth to them are sterotypes none the less.

doubt it's Zutarians in general they were annoyed with, but just the ones who took it to the extreme. It's one thing for someone to say they prefer Katara and Zuko, but for someone to say "the writers are wrong for sticking to their plans rather than conforming to our way of thinking" is when they go overboard.

How can you be sure that they were building up a friendship between the two?

Their backstories are almost identical, and their personalities are equally strong. The writers constantly paired them in many situations. Heck, Katara was with ZUKO for the final battle! not aang! WTF? They left a million things key of relationships. Being stuck together, forced to talk, "He's not my boyfriend", at first hating but then seeing they had a lot in common.

Meanwhile, Katara's viewpoint of Aang only changed in that she saw him become a better fighter and take his destiny more seriously.

doubt it's Zutarians in general they were annoyed with, but just the ones who took it to the extreme. It's one thing for someone to say they prefer Katara and Zuko, but for someone to say "the writers are wrong for sticking to their plans rather than conforming to our way of thinking" is when they go overboard.

I totally agree with you here. I was disgusted with the Harry potter fandom when they reacted to book 6 in a similar fashion. But there, both Harry and Ginny showed feelings for each other, at least.

Here, katara never shows feeling for aang, nor do the writers hint at it. Instead of being spiteful, they should have spent time reinforcing their point.

Antiyonder

10-14-2008, 02:46 PM

Their backstories are almost identical, and their personalities are equally strong. The writers constantly paired them in many situations. Heck, Katara was with ZUKO for the final battle! not aang! WTF? They left a million things key of relationships. Being stuck together, forced to talk, "He's not my boyfriend", at first hating but then seeing they had a lot in common.

I always thought that her help Zuko was suppose to be a bookend of sort to their encounters in Book 1 and Book 2. Only this time around they help each other rather than trying to defeat each other.

I do see your point with this paragraph, but just the same I see it working as a strong friendship. Being with Aang generally brings out her more gentle nature while the time she spends with Zuko helps her to work out anger issues.

Meanwhile, Katara's viewpoint of Aang only changed in that she saw him become a better fighter and take his destiny more seriously.

Going a bit further with the post bringing up The Cave Of Two Lovers' she did seem offended that Aang wouldn't want to kiss her.

Plus she displayed some jealousy in The Headband.

But other than that...

I totally agree with you here. I was disgusted with the Harry potter fandom when they reacted to book 6 in a similar fashion. But there, both Harry and Ginny showed feelings for each other, at least.

I definitely agree that more hints on Katara's side would have been helpful. My only disagreements with your first post was based on the generalizing, but I won't argue that execution could have been better.

I do need to ask though why her motherly nature would discourage the plausibility though. I mean I've heard that some girls do have a tendency to mother their boyfriends/husbands. Not all mind you, but a pretty good percentage.

RSNaco

10-14-2008, 04:05 PM

It took every fiber of my being not to flame them in the comments of that journal. I've always knew that breed of Zutarians were completely beyond rationality, but this... this is unbelievably ridiculous. If Basco actually does this, I will lose all respect for him.

Gokou Ruri

10-14-2008, 04:49 PM

The creators seemed to focus more on spiteing those who liked Zutara rather than Supporting their case for kataang in the scripts themselves. That's basically sum up my main point is. For every scene they used to spite Zuko/Katara, they could have instead used it to develop Aang/Katara. In the end, both sides suffered due to it.

Racattack!Force

10-14-2008, 06:37 PM

Meh, nothing the deluded shippers can ever do will ever top the actual Avatar creators' Zutara ending. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bNEMEWcp00) :p
I actually love it. I love how they make fun of quite of almost every Avatar shipping there is. :p

Mad Mod 49

10-14-2008, 07:32 PM

catlove390

10-14-2008, 07:53 PM

**SIGH** Yeah, I know...seems pretty mentally ill if you ask me. :sweat:

Cat

Racattack!Force

10-14-2008, 07:56 PM

**SIGH** Yeah, I know...seems pretty mentally ill if you ask me. :sweat:
While I do think it's weird that they are going to these lengths, I don't believe that's its mentally ill to be supporting a pairing/shipping. I always liked the idea of Zutara since late season one, and while I can deal that Kataang own in the end (like the creator wanted), I still kinda wish Zutara won out in the end. :shrug: Doesn't mean I can't deal though.

Mad Mod 49

10-14-2008, 08:07 PM

Doesn't mean I can't deal though.

Good for you. But you're in the minority. We're talking about the majority of Zutara shippers, who, in all honesty, seem to care for Avatar for their ship alone and when that ship doesn't happen, they act crazy and pull stunts like this. I mean really, isn't fanfiction good enough for them anymore? Do they have to animate/voice/produce a Zutara version of the finale?!

Racattack!Force

10-14-2008, 08:24 PM

Good for you. But you're in the minority. We're talking about the majority of Zutara shippers, who, in all honesty, seem to care for Avatar for their ship alone and when that ship doesn't happen, they act crazy and pull stunts like this. I mean really, isn't fanfiction good enough for them anymore? Do they have to animate/voice/produce a Zutara version of the finale?!
Eh, whatever floats their boat. :yawn:

Lavenderpaw

10-14-2008, 09:09 PM

I'd have no problem with it if they were voicing the characters themselves.Besides,even though Aang has noticably grown he still prepubescent compared to Katara.Sorry.

Still,Zutarians are just...a little too obsessive.

Scirel

10-14-2008, 11:03 PM

Just because she can feel "motherly" or "sisterly" toward Aang doesn't mean it can't develop into something more. Maybe it wasn't as well-written as it should have been, but really, Katara's feelings for Aang are far more developed than her feelings for Zuko.

And again, she had romantic feelings deep down ever since Cave of Two Lovers. Remember that SHE was the one who suggested the kiss, not Aang, and she seemed like she wanted to do it as well, not just because she had to.

Honestly, I'm starting to think that the people actually defending this Zutarian crap just plan out don't care for Avatar and/or Mike & Bryan, and would rather focus on what they did wrong than how crazy this "Zutarian Finale" thing really is. :yawn:

Again, you can`t possibly think that ALL people who like it more than kattang hate avatar because of it. I know it's one of my favorite shows ever. and I really like Maiko and am glad it happened. I honestly just don`t see Kataang at all. In fact, I`m probably more anti-kattang than pro-zutara.

IMO, she suggested the kiss because of the legend...and they were facing the possibility of being lost forever. That would suck if you were on a quest to save the world.

Generally, I can`t see a motherly feeling developing into romance. They're completely different kinds of love, for good reason. IMO, katara loved aang, but as a brother/son way, not romantically.

Besides, it gives off a creepy vibe because aang just simply looks and sounds so young. Unlike the rest of the cast, except Toph, he is the only one who is consistently and clearly a kid, and not a teenager or adult. If they aged him a bit, even let zach's voice develop in its natural way rather than up-pitching it, I would have less of a problem.

Also, CoTL was early season two. To have NOTHING even remotely romantic for her with Aang, and yet to constantly put her in suggestive(not THAT kind of suggestive) situations with zuko is misguided.

About this project, I have to say the thing I am most worried about is Mai. I would hate it if they villified her. IMO, the only way this could work is if they say in the beginning that Mai's feelings for zuko never went beyond a crush as kids in this version, and that perhaps Ty lee could be the one to betray Azula first, with Mai following. I just hope they don`t kill her. O.O

Antiyonder

10-14-2008, 11:13 PM

Generally, I can`t see a motherly feeling developing into romance.

And as I said, there are some girls that mother their boyfriend/husband. So I don't see why her motherly aspects should be a turnoff.

If they aged him a bit, even let zach's voice develop in its natural way rather than up-pitching it, I would have less of a problem.

I'm pretty sure that his voice did show some sign's of deepening towards the last 6 episodes.

Scirel

10-14-2008, 11:16 PM

And as I said, there are some girls that mother their boyfriend/husband. So I don't see why her motherly aspects should be a turnoff.

Yes, but this is AFTER their relationship is established, not before.

If a girl you just met and had to travel with started treating you like a younger brother, I'd bet a fair amount she has no romantic interest in you.

Mala Loba

10-14-2008, 11:19 PM

Wow. Not even the craziest of the Harmonians (Harry/Hermione shippers) did something like this!

Well, they did have a petition, but that kinda pales to what these guys are doing.

Antiyonder

10-14-2008, 11:28 PM

Wow. Not even the craziest of the Harmonians (Harry/Hermione shippers) did something like this!

Well, they did have a petition, but that kinda pales to what these guys are doing.

In retrospect the petition seems pretty mild. Zutarians also insisted that the novelization of Sozin's Comet wasn't an official adaptation of the still not aired finale because of the Kataang ending. Insisted it was a published fanfic.

If a girl you just met and had to travel with started treating you like a younger brother, I'd bet a fair amount she has no romantic interest in you.

Point taken, but there's still the matter of her being jealous of him in The Headband. Otherwise, she'd be more than happy to see him with with another girl.

Scirel

10-14-2008, 11:46 PM

In retrospect the petition seems pretty mild. Zutarians also insisted that the novelization of Sozin's Comet wasn't an official adaptation of the still not aired finale because of the Kataang ending. Insisted it was a published fanfic.

Point taken, but there's still the matter of her being jealous of him in The Headband. Otherwise, she'd be more than happy to see him with with another girl.

that's the first real piece of evidence I've seen where the most logical and striaghtforward interpretation is that katara likes aang.

I could also be an ass and say that katara could be protecting aang from getting too close to someone he'll probably never see again, hurting them both. :P

But if we had more moments like that, the ending would have not been so awkward and hard for many to take(although some would still be acting the same way).

The most we ever got from katara is blank, unsure "why'd he do that" looks from katara after aang forcibly kissed her twice, and saying that she was confused, which I take as her never really having thought about being in a romantic relationship with Aang until that moment.

In short, everyone's problems with season3 could have been solved by Zuko joining earlier and less spending so much valuable time on pointless crap. :P

Gan Xingba

10-15-2008, 06:50 AM

Dear lord, I came here to avoid the ship wars. Why can't people just be rational about this?

I have my opinion on it, but clearly everyone is just seeing what they want to see. I believe the academic term is "textual poaching": you take what you want from a work and ignore the rest.

Bakasama

10-15-2008, 03:51 PM

That's the main reason I never signed up at the Avatar fan forums. Too many shippers. Here, there's a lot less of them. The Comic Book Resources forums generally have fewer of the shippers there. The rep for the Avatar fandom at tvtropes.com is generally ok except for the shippers. In case of a person as obsessive shipper tendencies, I wish they remember the MST3K Mantra (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MST3KMantra).

Taco Wiz

10-15-2008, 05:50 PM

Too many chefs spoil the broth. For every decent technical worker we had, there was at least two dozen hideously sub-standard contributors who did nothing but send in script after ghastly script. This latter group, incidentally, included me. I'm actually a little impressed that Cyberen stuck with it for years after I jumped ship and pulled together enough people to make a short. But as can be evidenced by having one 90-second piece after four years of effort, it was hardly the most efficient operation. Quality control was non-existent, and I was as much to blame for that as anyone.
Was there some sort of belief that the more writers, the better? On the original series, there were two or three writers per episode.

Racattack!Force

10-15-2008, 06:40 PM

Was there some sort of belief that the more writers, the better? On the original series, there were two or three writers per episode.
I guess the person who headed the project just couldn't turn away all who wanted to write.

Lavenderpaw

10-15-2008, 07:45 PM

Wow. Not even the craziest of the Harmonians (Harry/Hermione shippers) did something like this!

Well, they did have a petition, but that kinda pales to what these guys are doing.

Harmonians?That sounds like an STD. :shrug:

RonDrakenfan17

10-15-2008, 08:05 PM

So sad, why won't they just accept the ending? Just move on yah know?

catlove390

10-15-2008, 08:59 PM

Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous.

Cat

Rasputin

10-16-2008, 05:41 PM

I guess the person who headed the project just couldn't turn away all who wanted to write.

You're assuming there was someone in charge. The project consisted of a website open to all comers, and almost everyone who signed up consisted of underage b& holding up scrawled pieces of nonsense and asking "am I important now?" It was no mystery as to why we never got anything done.

In the vacuum, we occasionally had to suffer the crimes against animation inflicted by an egotistical amateur, and every one of his appearances riled the team into a momentary spell of activity before it all died away again. This individual made the occasional visit to tease us as to our lack of activity, and frankly he had every right to, because as awful as his produce was, at least he made stuff.

After he was booted off, I made a fairly strongly-worded point that we needed to get organised into a more stringent chain of command. They rather missed the point though, since they then attempted to put me in charge in spite of having no animation experience or talent in the slightest. Having absconded my responsibility, everyone else seemed to do to the same. A few of us realised the problem but none of us had the courage or tenacity to actually step up to the plate and command. Cyberen was the most dedicated, but even he was pushing against the tide.