Disney Movie Villains Questions

[Zen Man]

Lately I've been thinking a lot about the main villains from the Disney animated feature films, and I have some questions regarding the Disney Rogues Gallery.

Regarding Pinocchio, who would you say was the main villain - Stomboli,The Coachman or Monstro? Can all three be considered equal?

Where does Aunt Sarah from Lady and the Tramp stand? Can she be considered evil or just misguided in her actions? Same question for Ronno in Bambi.

For the following I'm just throwing names out....

Who would you consider the scariest/most polarizing villains? (Malificent, Jafar, Frollo, Chernabog etc.)

The most underrated villians? (Prince John, The Horned King, Long John Silver, Gantu etc.)

Who would you say are the weakest villains?

Which villains had the greatest motivation?

[Dr.Pepper]

I would consider Aunt Sarah and Ronno as villians. They were more along the lines of anti-heros (I don't know).

[Maxie Zeus]

"Anti-hero" does not mean "against the hero" or "opposite of the hero." An anti-hero is a protagonist whose character or actions run contrary to the standard patterns. E.g., they are often marked by being callous, greedy, cowardly (or just tentative) and/or not interested in doing the right or noble thing. Classic examples would be Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca ("I stick my neck out for no one") and many other movies, or Al Pacino in The Godfather movies. (Many prominent actors in the 1970s, such as Pacino, DeNiro, and Hoffman) specialized in playing anti-hero types.) The best way to think of "anti-hero" is as "the person who would be the villain except that he's the main character and you kind of want him to win even though he's a pretty nasty guy."

Aunt Sarah and Ronno are not protagonists; they are supporting characters, though they may be considered antagonists (the people who block or fight or otherwise impede the hero). Not all antagonists can really be considered villains, which is why it may be hard to peg the aforementioned as "villains."

On-topic, I'd say that Pinocchio doesn't have a villain, only people who help the title character act as his own worst enemy. (In the original story, btw, and much more so than in the Disney film, Pinocchio is very definitely an anti-hero. I mean, he actually smashes the Cricket with a mallet.)

[Radical Raven]

O.K., if Pinocchio's giot a villain it would definitly be.... that fox & cat duo who's names escape me:sweat: .

[Dr.Pepper]

"Anti-hero" does not mean "against the hero" or "opposite of the hero." An anti-hero is a protagonist whose character or actions run contrary to the standard patterns. E.g., they are often marked by being callous, greedy, cowardly (or just tentative) and/or not interested in doing the right or noble thing. Classic examples would be Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca ("I stick my neck out for no one") and many other movies, or Al Pacino in The Godfather movies. (Many prominent actors in the 1970s, such as Pacino, DeNiro, and Hoffman) specialized in playing anti-hero types.) The best way to think of "anti-hero" is as "the person who would be the villain except that he's the main character and you kind of want him to win even though he's a pretty nasty guy."
Okay. I knew anti-hero wasn't the right word, but I couldn't think of what they would be.

[Luna]

Lately I've been thinking a lot about the main villains from the Disney animated feature films, and I have some questions regarding the Disney Rogues Gallery.

Regarding Pinocchio, who would you say was the main villain - Stomboli,The Coachman or Monstro? Can all three be considered equal?

Where does Aunt Sarah from Lady and the Tramp stand? Can she be considered evil or just misguided in her actions? Same question for Ronno in Bambi.

For the following I'm just throwing names out....

Who would you consider the scariest/most polarizing villains? (Malificent, Jafar, Frollo, Chernabog etc.)

The most underrated villians? (Prince John, The Horned King, Long John Silver, Gantu etc.)

Who would you say are the weakest villains?

Which villains had the greatest motivation?I'd say Pinocchio doesn't really have a villain....though Stromboli and the Coachman certainly are evil,they're not really out to get Pinocchio personally,he just happens to be there....Monstro isn't really evil at all,he's just an ordinary(if really huge) whale,who doesn't appear to have anything personal against Pinocchio or Geppeto...

Aunt Sarah's not evil at all....she just doesn't like dogs,and is willing to believe the worst about them (like when her Siamese cats pretend to be injured to get Lady in trouble).....though,she does have a change of heart at film's end (after finding out Tramp saved the baby from being attacked by a rat),she sends a box of dog biscuits to the family....

Ronno's not a true villain either...just also interested in Faline....though in Bambi 2,as a fawn,he's shown to be something of a bully...

Scariest villain for me would be Claude Frollo from The Hunchback of Notre Dame...."Hellfire" is easily one of the most disturbing (yet awesome) moments in a Disney film....he's not only a racist,but a sadist,too...

Underrated....probably Gantu from Lilo and Stitch,but he's not really that evil(in the original movie,anyway),he's just doing his job...

Weakest...Edgar from the Aristocats....he really didn't have good motivation for his actions,just greed and stupidity....Madame Bonfamille was putting him in her will to recieve all her fortune,just after the death of her cats,not right away....

[Looneytunes]

Regarding "Pinocchio", the true villains are J. Worthington Foulfellow and Gideon. Monstro is a whale naturally searching for food, and Stromboli and the Coachman are evil, but they are not the antagonists of Pinocchio, per say, Pinocchio just happened to cross paths with him.

Aunt Sarah is a misguided character. She is not a villain. She does care for the baby, and even though, she is not nice to Lady, all she does to her is put a muzzle on her. It is not as if she put her to sleep, or sent her to the pound. Lady did that on her own.

Ronno is also a misguided character, think of him as a bully from high school, instead of a villain, say in the vein of Maleficent, Judge Claude Frollo, etc. Ronno just wants to fight over Faline, that is all he tries to accomplish in the film. In fact, there is not even a real villain in the film, even including Bob the hunter. Hunters kill animals, that is something they realistically do, and it is not as if Bob intentionally wants to kill Bambi's Mother, Bambi's Mother just happened to cross paths with him. This, however, is different to other hunters, such as Clayton from "Tarzan", Gaston from "Beauty and the Beast", Percival C. McLeach from "the Rescuers: Down Under", and Amos Slade from "the Fox and the Hound", though you can argue Amos Slade is entirely a villain.

The two scariest villains are the Horned King from "the Black Cauldron" and Chernabog from "Fantasia." Maleficent and Judge Claude Frollo are also scary, but not as much.

The most underrated villain is Gantu, because even though his intentions are bad, he does not try much to accomplish his goals.

The weakest villain is Edgar the Butler from "the Aristocats." In some ways, he is smart, but his intelligence and doings are unmatched.

The villain with the greatest motivation is either Maleficent or Judge Claude Frollo, even Lady Tremaine from "Cinderella", because they stop at nothing to take out the good characters.

Looneytunes/Disneytoons

[tb4000]

I wouldnt even say Foulfellow and Gideon are villains in Pinnochio....they were just the antithesis of Jiminy's good-natured conscience act. All the baddies in that movie were basically just in it for the greed, and weren't trying to achieve some greater goal. The whole thing was basically a morality play to spook the kids of the 1940s into behaving and not go off gallavanting.

And the Siamese cats were the villains of Lady and the Tramp, no doubt.

[DarkGojira]

Lately I've been thinking a lot about the main villains from the Disney animated feature films, and I have some questions regarding the Disney Rogues Gallery.

Regarding Pinocchio, who would you say was the main villain - Stomboli,The Coachman or Monstro? Can all three be considered equal?

Where does Aunt Sarah from Lady and the Tramp stand? Can she be considered evil or just misguided in her actions? Same question for Ronno in Bambi.

For the following I'm just throwing names out....

Who would you consider the scariest/most polarizing villains? (Malificent, Jafar, Frollo, Chernabog etc.)

The most underrated villians? (Prince John, The Horned King, Long John Silver, Gantu etc.)

Who would you say are the weakest villains?

Which villains had the greatest motivation?

I honestly don't know who was the main villain in Pinocchio, but I do know that it's not Monstro because it's a whale who is trying to survive by finding food. But, that's why I liked the film, because they kept having me play guessing games on who was the villain that it turns out that I was totally clueless in the end. When you look at Stromboli, he's an extremely greedy person who wants to use Pinocchio in order to get money. When it comes to Foulfellow and Gideon, I look at them more like how you shouldn't hang out with strangers. I would say that the meanest would have to be the Coachman, even though Luna said it best that he wasn't personally out to get Pinocchio.

As for Aunt Sarah, she really isn't a villain even though she isn't nice to Lady. But, hey, what do you expect from someone who likes cats. And speaking of cats, I agree with tb4000 that the Siamese cats were the villains in the movie. Ooh, darn those cats...

Moving on...

The scariest villain, in my opinion, is definitely Maleficent. Hands down. When I was a couple years old, I remember running into another room and hiding under the covers. That's why I consider Maleficent as one of the best villains in animation. I mean, she may be scary, but it's supposed to work because she's pure evil.

The most underrated villain is definitely the Horned King. Again, no contest. Everything about him is just dead on, especially the voice which gave the chills the first time I saw him.

The weakest villain, no contest once again, is Edgar from The Aristocats. He ticked me off so much it isn't even funny, because he's just incredibly one dimensional and raises the stupidity to a whole new level. And it wasn't like he was never going to get the money in the first place. He just needed to have patience. Alameda Slim from Home on the Range also didn't impress me. I remember watching the movie on the big screen shaking my head everytime he makes an appearance. And hypnotizing the cows by yodeling? That's... just... stupid. Anyway, yeah, two thumbs down for both Edgar and Alameda Slim.

The villains with great motivation? Wow, this is a tough one. I would have to say a four-way tie between Maleficent, The Wicked Queen, Lady Tremaine, and Judge Claude Frollo. All four of these villains all try their hardest in order to stop the protagonists. Neither of them were lucky in the very end (Maleficent, Frollo, and Wicked Queen all died, while Tremaine watched in horror as the slipper fits Cinderella), but they did manage to come this close to being successful (Wicked Queen managed to poison Snow White with the apple, Maleficent did manage to have Aurora touch the spindle of the spinning wheel, we thought Frollo killed Esmerelda until she regained consciousness, and Tremaine almost caused Cinderella to miss the slipper fitting due to locking her in her room).

[tb4000]

I think in the 80s and beyond, Disney started making all their villains somewhat creepy, yet gave them a humorous edge as well, which came from the voice actors they hired. Even Frollo with his superiority and semi-nazi attitude was somewhat of a sarcastic character, but he was the only one that was really straight evil. Everyone from Ursula to Alameda Slim became mixtures of evil and comedy. I want a return to villains that are nightmare fuel, like Horned King. I loved Hades, but because he was voiced by James Woods, they made him like the anti-Genie. The only time I felt they were really showcasing how scary he was was when he get extremely mad and turned red in those closeups.

[JerryvonKramer]

Regarding Pinocchio, who would you say was the main villain - Stomboli,The Coachman or Monstro? Can all three be considered equal?

I'd argue it's "Honest John" (and Gideon) because they persuade Pinocchio to go Stromboli instead of going to school knowing that he will only get exploited. And then they persuade him to go to Pleasure Island for a quick buck from the coachman. I think J. Worthington "Honest John" Foulfellow is the closest Pinocchio has to the tag "main antagonist". He not only misleads Pinocchio but profits from his misfortune twice AND gets away with it! This guy (http://www.whatsitsgalore.com/disney/villain.html) seems to agree with me.



Who would you consider the scariest/most polarizing villains? (Malificent, Jafar, Frollo, Chernabog etc.)

Easily Maleficent. She even makes my all time movie villains list:

http://www.parviniworld.pcriot.com/Villains2.html (number 17)

She's arguably the most magnificently dark and evil character in all of Disney. She's vain, cruel, selfish and utterly demonic. She also speaks in cool fire 'n' brimstone Old Testament English.

Number 2? Ursula from Little Mermaid is dark. Those worm things she turns all the sea-life into gave me nightmares as a kid.

Jafar is cool too.



The most underrated villians? (Prince John, The Horned King, Long John Silver, Gantu etc.)

Ursula definitely.

Captain Hook from Peter Pan doesn't really get a lot of love and he has tons of class. Madam Mim from Stone in the Stone is underrated too. I don't know what Shere Khan's general standing is these days but he's extremely cool. The Queen of Hearts from Alice in Wonderland is often overlooked as a villain.

Most underrated though? Got to be Gaston from Beauty and the Beast. He's a total pig and very very easy to hate.



Who would you say are the weakest villains?

Edgar, obviously.

Depends how you look at this one. I mean Sir Hiss from Robin Hood is "a villain" and he's incredibly weak in terms of threat but we all like him right?



Which villains had the greatest motivation?

You can take this question in two ways:

1. Which villain is the most motivated?

Which is not really what you're asking but seems to be the way that most people have answered it.

2. Which villain has the best (as in most valid) motivation for opposing the hero?

This is a much more interesting question. Maleficient is genuinely cast out by the other fairies so she does have a reason for being so spiteful. Much more so than, say, the Queen who is just jealous of Snow White. Scar has a pretty good reason for opposing Simba doesn't he? One of the oldest in the book but still a valid one.

[Zen Man]

Great responses thanks.

I guess with Pinocchio it depends on how you look at things and I agree that Aunt Sarah and Ronno are not villains just sorta misguided. Aunt Sarah didn't like dogs and wanted to protect the baby which explains her behavior towards Lady but she does apologise with the dog biscuits at the end. With Ronno its just natural behavior as he also likes Faline and wants her affection.

[Cabel]

To me, the villian in Pinocchio is temptation, dishonesty and all those things we don't like seeing little boys and girls doing, in the same sense you can say the real villian in Pocahontas is racism.

Scariest? Maleficent. Her look is scary, her voice is scary. Heck, even her sound effects are chilling.

Underated? Horned King, McLeach, Clayton, Sykes.

Weak? Edgar. He's like a henchman that got unexpectedly promoted.

[Lavenderpaw]

And the Siamese cats were the villains of Lady and the Tramp, no doubt.

Mischievous and knaving.I think the rat could be considered evil,though.I don't think the cats actually wanted Lady hurt,just out of the house.

[Annie-Mae]

I would say Stomboli and The Coachman were the villains of this movie even though it was a moralistic tale. Even though Pinocchio thought he was doing something good and fun these men were out for profit and abusing children. Monstro was just the climax of the movie, to heighten tension and to give Pinocchio a reason to gain back his 'good boy points' XD What a better why to get on the blue fairy's good side then to die saving your father.

Aunt Sarah is just a mean lady who doesn't understand dogs, not a real villain, similar to the step sisters in Cinderella, mean but not out right evil. Ronno didn't even have a name in the original Bambi. The villain in Bambi was man, Ronno was just a deer to fight Bambi.

Malificent was always pretty scary. She's a dragon that breaths green fire. She always seemed to have the upper hand but failed because she had dumb assistants. If Monstro was technically a villain I'd say he'd be frightening too because it was just a one sided match they had and he screamed like a monster too, he was out to kill. I don't know if Rogder Rabbit counts either but the Judge gave me nightmares.

Hard to say but I think I should bring up this point to help prove my choice for weakest villain and disprove what most people say about Edgar the Butler. Most people would label him as the weakest because he seemed like a bumbling idiot would couldn't compare the power and might that Hades or Jefar would have. But you have to look at what he accomplished in the span of the movie. He drugged the cats, fooled Madame Adelaide that they ran away, dumped them in a river and even when he forgot his hat and umbrella he was able to get them back. Even after the cats came back he kidnapped them again and got a truck to come to pick them up (of course he was beat up by a bunch of cats). He probably is the closest to completing his goal in the movie then many of the other villains on our lists. Most of the movie the villain is struggling to find a way to kill the good guy but only at the very end does he get to, and then fails. Edgar failed as well but he completed the 1st part of his mission and more. I'd give him the most underrated villain title but certainly not the best.

Now the weakest I think is Gaston, because most of the movie he spends showboating about his great power and when he gets to fight the beast he takes one swing at his head and then cowers like a baby. When he defeats the Beast he does by stabbing him in the back and then falls to his death. Edgar might be physically weak but his cleaver persistence gives him greater strength over a jerk like Gaston who's all talk. Governor Ratcliffe, might be another one, because he literally did nothing, he had everyone else do the work for him.

I think the villain with greatest motivation would have to be the ones that if they lost the fight something bad would happen to them, rather then the villains would were fighting for greed, power, or vanity. Gantu might've had the greatest motivation because if he didn't catch Stitch, he'd been fired.

I think there needs to be a separate topic about what is a villain and what isn't. Because many movies don't have real villains like Captain Hook or The Horned King, but they possess an evil force in there that drives the moral of the story. Such as the Rat in Lady and the Tramp, which is an evil force that drives the movies climax, or characters like Edgar who are the main antagonist but not truly evil. A true villain is pretty obvious to see, one of the best ways to tell is that they typically die at the end of it, or get in a spot where they fail horribly and never seen from again (until a sequil comes around). But there might be a need to classify what truley makes a villain because of characters like the Queen of Hearts. Most of you might say she's a villain but she's no more villainous then the DoDo or the Caterpillar, QoH is a character in Alice's head put there to give Alice frustration, though she might be more nightmarish then the Mad Hatter, she is equally difficult. Sword in the Stone is another one because there really aren't any true villains in that either but certainly characters that cause trouble for the protagonist. Madame Mim is troublesome and pesky but that Baracuda was too.

I don't think hench men should be part of this either because they don't call the shots. Sir hiss isn't a villain though he works for the main villain of Robin Hood. There can two villains such as in Robin Hood, with both Little John and the Sheriff. But most of the time the henchmen are there for comedic effect if they're not all ready comedic. They're basically doing what they are told to do.