"TNA iMPACT!" October 2008 Talkback (Spoilers) [Archive]

The Penguin

10-02-2008, 08:42 PM

With falling interest, we are going to give Total Nonstop Action Wrestling a try on a monthly basis and see if that's better. The October pay-per-view event, Bound For Glory could also be discussed here later in the month.

http://library.toonzone.net/talkbacks/spike.jpghttp://library.toonzone.net/talkbacks/tna.jpg"IMPACT!" PREVIEW: MICK FOLEY JOINS TNA! PLUS, MONSTER'S BALL QUALIFYING, X TITLE MATCH...AND JARRETT RESPONDS TO ANGLE'S COMMENTS IN THE UK SUN NEWSPAPER!

On Thursday night, TNA Wrestling returns to SpikeTV for two hours of Total Nonstop Action as the road continues to TNA's biggest Pay-Per-View of the year on Sunday, October 12 with Bound For Glory!

The below is a preview of what is scheduled for Thursday's broadcast. (Card is subject to change) :

- Wrestling icon Mick Foley will officially join TNA Wrestling! TNAwrestling.com can confirm that Foley will be in attendance on "iMPACT!" for the first time! The question is, what are his plans in TNA? Will he address the wrestling world? If so, what will he say? Tune in to witness this historic TNA moment and find out!

- According to multiple sources, Jeff Jarrett is angry over the recent comments made by Kurt Angle about TNA in the UK! Rumor has it that Jarrett - as the founder of TNA - will publicly address these controversial comments on Thursday's broadcast on Spike. The question is, with Angle and Jarrett set to battle at Bound For Glory, could all hell break loose between the two TNA superstars on Thursday night?

- In Six Man tag team action, it will be "The Phenomenal" AJ Styles, "The Instant Classic" Christian Cage and "Black Machismo" Jay Lethal teaming up to take on Booker T and Team 3D!

- Also this Thursday will be a qualifying match for the Monster's Ball Tag Team match at Bound For Glory! It will be The Motor City Machineguns vs. The Latin American Xchange, with the winning team advancing to the Monster's Ball bout at the epic Pay-Per-View event in Chicago!

- "iMPACT!" will also feature an X Division Championship match as titleholder Sheik Abdul Bashir defends the gold against Eric Young and Jimmy Rave in a three-way match

- In Knockouts action, it will be ODB taking on Angelina Love of The Beautiful People!

Plus, more news and matches will be announced for the Bound For Glory Pay-Per-View event! All this and more on Thursday at 9pm on "iMPACT!" on SpikeTV!

langden alger

10-02-2008, 11:32 PM

I'm not sure vince hasn't already bought TNA....I think tonight his name was mentioned more times than in a WWE broadcast.

I've got to hand it to Foley for making such an outstanding promo only for his point to be what we all saw coming with being the special enforcer for bound for glory. It went alot like Mick's last WWE appearance if you just swap Edge for Angle....at least this time Mick didn't have to be carried out of the ring. I've got to wonder who owns Mr. Socko....I guess if we see the debut of 'Mr. Glovo' we'll know.

The Penguin

10-03-2008, 03:03 PM

It was neat seeing Mick and I throughly enjoyed both the laugh lines and the serious ones in his promo. I was hoping he would be the ref rather than a guy standing outside the ring... I mean the "Special Enforcer." When done right, the Enforcer role exist to ward off any problems that might be expected (like when Chuck Norris was the Enforcer at the 1994 Survivor Series for the Undertaker-Yokozuna Casket Match match in response to Taker being attacked by half the roster at the Royal Rumble). When nothing is expected to happen it's just a random place to throw another guy to add fake intrigue.

Speaking of fake intrigue, I have good news everyone! Steve "Mongo" McMichael is now the special referee for the Monster's Ball match! (http://www.tnawrestling.com/content/view/357/84/) :shrug:

One problem TNA has is it drags its stories, especially its undercard stories, out forever without any real advancement over the long period of time. If referee Shane Sewell isn't wrestling Bashir by the end of the month, I don't care.

Anyone care about Rhaka Khan wrestling? I didn't think so.

Finally, I just want to confirm that Velvet Sky is still so hot it's almost unfair.

I'm not sure vince hasn't already bought TNA....I think tonight his name was mentioned more times than in a WWE broadcast.When WCW started really referencing Vince McMahon, it was the beginning of the end. Coincidence?

langden alger

10-03-2008, 05:31 PM

Anyone care about Rhaka Khan wrestling? I didn't think so.

ah yeah, how could i forget about that lol....i thought the way they tried to play up that everyone was scared or freaked out by her was pretty sad. her acting didn't help much either. she's basically on the level of Stacey Keebler both physical build and wrestling style. just the obvious diffrence in race....her finisher was neat looking -i'll give her that, but i would just stick to building up Roxxi. the rough cuts they're doing with her have been great so far.

When WCW started really referencing Vince McMahon, it was the beginning of the end. Coincidence?

sadly almost everything right now in TNA is an eerie resemblance to the dying days of Turnerland. you've got the new blood vs. the millionaire's club, Russo and now they even have everyone's favorite lug Mongo in there now too. we just need another Judy Bagwell on a pole match and Mcmahon can already start production on his rise and fall of TNA dvd.

TheVileOne

10-03-2008, 06:34 PM

TNA has a pole match about every other week since Russo came back.

That's his favorite type of match.

TNA continues to be EPIC FAIL.

I'm sorry but the main event promos were TERRIBLE. They promoted Vince McMahon and WWE more than TNA and your main event world title match at Bound For Glory, Sting vs. Joe.

Kurt Angle in the UK Sun article was talking about TNA's over-booking of gimmick matches, lack of clean finishes, etc. etc.

Yet Jarrett didn't address any of that. He thought he was being devious by breaking Angle's SACRED BOND with Vince McMahon. Good God, how childish. At the end of the day, this stupid segment would hardly come in the way of Angle ever appearing in WWE.

Angle talking about Jarrett's wife dying just goes to show that Jarrett is just as much of a scumbag and carny as all the other sleazy promoters. Jarrett has no problem exploiting his wife's death in order to get heat.

Wonderwall

10-03-2008, 06:37 PM

Finally, I just want to confirm that Velvet Sky is still so hot it's almost unfair.

She's the reason I hate Shane Helms:p

PTurkey

10-04-2008, 02:57 PM

Anyone care about Rhaka Khan wrestling? I didn't think so.
She's wrestled in Japan under the name "Panther Claw." She probably knows some things that we haven't gotten to see since she's been used as a manager this whole time.

The Penguin

10-09-2008, 08:52 PM

Bound for Glory is this Sunday!

http://library.toonzone.net/talkbacks/spike.jpghttp://library.toonzone.net/talkbacks/tna.jpgREVIEW FOR THURSDAY'S HUGE TNA WRESTLING "iMPACT!" AT 9PM ET ON SPIKE TV - THE FINAL COUNTDOWN BEGINS FOR SUNDAY'S ANNUAL "BOUND FOR GLORY" PAY-PER-VIEW EXTRAVAGANZA

On Thursday night, TNA Wrestling returns to SpikeTV at 9pm for two hours of Total Nonstop Action as the final countdown begins for the "Bound For Glory" Pay-Per-View extravaganza from Chicago on Sunday night!

- After officially joining the TNA roster this past week, wrestling icon Mick Foley returns to "iMPACT!" this Thursday night! With Foley set to be the special enforcer for the Jeff Jarrett vs. Kurt Angle match at "Bound For Glory", what will happen on Thursday with Foley, Jarrett and Angle all in attendance? Tune in and find out!

- Also scheduled for this Thursday night is the official contract signing for the Samoa Joe vs. Sting TNA World Heavyweight Championship match at the Pay-Per-View spectacular!

- Thanks to Booker T, the friendship between Christian Cage and AJ Styles is experiencing more issues. According to TNA management, "The Instant Classic" has requested time this Thursday to speak to AJ in front of the entire world in an attempt to put any issues behind them.

- In singles action, it will be "The War Machine" Rhino taking on Cute Kip of The Beautiful People

- In a number-one contender's match for the X Division Championship, it will be "Maple Leaf Muscle" Petey Williams vs. "The Guru" Sonjay Dutt vs. "Black Machismo" Jay Lethal vs. Consequences Creed, with the winner earning a shot at the gold against Sheik Abdul Bashir on Sunday at Bound For Glory!

- In a non-title match and a preview of the Monster's Ball match at the Pay-Per-View, it will be TNA World Tag Team Champions Beer Money, Inc. vs. Abyss and Matt Morgan on Thursday's broadcast!

- In Knockout tag team action, TNA Women's Champion Taylor Wilde and Roxxi will battle the juggernaut Awesome Kong and her manager Raisha Saeed

- Plus, the final matches will be announced for the "Bound For Glory IV" Pay-Per-View spectacular this Sunday - all this and much more on Thursday's huge "iMPACT!" broadcast on SpikeTV!

The Penguin

10-12-2008, 01:13 PM

By far the best part of this week's show was Foley declaring that Brother Ray had ruined red and black flannel, forcing him to try out some new looks. I was intrigued to find out that Mick is only officially here for this one match and event. I think it's getting a little late in the game for a cameo like this to make an impact (pun not intended). If you're watching TNA, you're watching it, I really don't think people are gonna hear about Mick and watch it more.

I am just waiting for TNA's first non-celebrity mainstream news to be them taking things way too far with Sheik Abdul Bashir. I was concerned about what he was going to do with the American flag, but he just held it in his hand. After what happened with Muhammad Hassan (a far superior character) I continue to be surprised at how TNA is willing to "cross the line."

Velvet Sky status check... still smokin'. :sweat:

Jin Kazama

10-13-2008, 12:31 AM

So, if anyone read the results of Bound For Glory (because, due to the lack of people posting in Impact threads, I doubt anyone spent money on the PPV), Sting beat Joe.

You see, this is why I barely pay attention to Impact anymore. And this isn't a rant because I like Joe. This is a rant on how bad the company is being run (preaching to the choir, I know). Sting takes, like, a year off. Comes back, tells all the young wrestlers they're crap and aren't worth a dime, then takes the title off the top one. What should have been about the young buck proving to the old lion that he's worth what he's earned, turned into Sting telling every young wrestler they suck, and then proving himself right. Putting over no one, at all, in the process. Hell, it made the focal point of the company for, what, five months now? look like a chump. A weak chump.

And why did we do this? So we can get YET ANOTHER swerve with Nash turning on Joe. Because TNA can never end storylines.

Speaking of which, this is why Bound For Glory isn't Wrestlemania. Wrestlmania ends feuds. It's the culmination of their year. They don't use the main event of their most prolific match of the year for a screwjob ending to plug the next PPV.

Do you know why I watch TNA? Three words, two letters. Samoa Joe. AJ Styles. Who, despite being placed in some of the stupidest storylines out there, go out every night and put out five-star efforts. Despite the company proving tonight that they don't give a rat's butt about them because they weren't born twenty years earlier and could make their name then.

Screw you, TNA.

The Penguin

10-13-2008, 12:51 AM

I just read the results on the TNA site and I found this to be the most telling part...

Sting made it three Bound For Glory World Title wins in a row as he defeated Samoa Joe...

The Penguin

10-16-2008, 08:39 PM

After Bound for Glory, we have a new TNA Champion in the form of Sting. Nash returned and turned on Samoa Joe, aiding Sting in his title victory. In his return to the ring, Jeff Jarrett defeated Kurt Angle.

http://library.toonzone.net/talkbacks/spike.jpghttp://library.toonzone.net/talkbacks/tna.jpgPREVIEW FOR TONIGHT'S HUGE "IMPACT!" ON SPIKE TV: NEW WORLD CHAMPION STING, NASH RETURNS AND MICK FOLEY SAYS GOODBYE!

Tonight, TNA Wrestling returns to SpikeTV at 9pm ET for two hours of Total Nonstop Action featuring the aftermath of Bound For Glory!

The following is an early preview courtesy of TNA management (card subject to change):

- TNA Wrestling management has agreed to allow wrestling legend Mick Foley the opportunity to say goodbye to the fans after fulfilling his role as special enforcer at Bound For Glory! After being a part of the biggest night on TNA Wrestling history, Foley will apparently close the book on his storied and epic career this Thursday on "iMPACT!" on SpikeTV!

- The NEW TNA World Heavyweight Champion "The Icon" Sting will appear on Thursday's "iMPACT!" to address what went down at the Pay-Per-View event! Sting claimed the World Title at his third straight Bound For Glory - what's next for the icon? Tune in and find out! Plus, there will be an update on former champion Samoa Joe following Sunday's epic event, as well as Kevin Nash making his return and costing Joe the gold!

- In singles action, Booker T (with Sharmell) will take on Hernandez of The Latin American Xchange

- In Knockouts action, Roxxi is scheduled to take on Awesome Kong's manager, Raisha Saeed

- In tag team action, it will be still-reigning TNA X Division Champion Sheik Abdul Bashir teaming with "The Guru" Sonjay Dutt take face The Motor City Machineguns

- Plus, more news and matches will be announced for next Thursday's LIVE "iMPACT!" broadcast from Las Vegas as TNA goes HI DEFINITION on SpikeTV!

The Penguin

10-23-2008, 08:49 PM

No one for last week? Well, let's try it again this week. Tonight should be a big event as Total Nonstop Action Wrestling goes HD and is live from Las Vegas! The preview below is complete from its original posting, although the text voting is over.

http://library.toonzone.net/talkbacks/spike.jpghttp://library.toonzone.net/talkbacks/tna.jpgPREVIEW FOR THURSDAY'S HUGE LIVE iMPACT FROM LAS VEGAS AS TNA GOES HD ON SPIKE TV

On Thursday night, it will be one of the biggest nights in TNA "iMPACT!" history as we will be live from Las Vegas with the first HD broadcast on SpikeTV!

The event will take place at “The Joint” at the Hard Rock Hotel on the Las Vegas Strip. Tickets are on sale now at the Hard Rock Hotel box office, all Ticketmaster locations, and www.ticketmaster.com.

The below is the official preview for the huge broadcast (card and talent are subject to change):

- The big main event for the broadcast will feature TNA World Heavyweight Champion Sting teaming up with Kevin Nash to face Samoa Joe and "The Phenomenal" AJ Styles! With the war for respect in TNA heating up, you don't want to miss this collision between the top stars of Total Nonstop Action on TNA's biggest night on Spike!

- What is the big announcement that Mick Foley and Jeff Jarrett will make on Thursday night? Foley made his farewell speech this past Thursday, but Jeff Jarrett apparently talked him out of leaving! What did they discuss in private? What is their big plan? Does it have anything to do with Kurt Angle? The wrestling world wants to know - and we'll find out on Thursday's live broadcast from Las Vegas!

- Booker T has promised to finally reveal the contents of the mysterious briefcase to the world on the live broadcast! What's inside, and why has he been keeping it a secret? Tune in Thursday night to see the reveal live on SpikeTV!

- In an X Division Championship match, it will be Sheik Abdul Bashir defending the gold against number-one contender "Black Machismo" Jay Lethal

- The Knockout Women's Championship will be on the line as Taylor Wilde faces her nemesis Awesome Kong

- Christy Hemme made the challenge to The Beautiful People to fight her on the live iMPACT! Which one of the Beautiful People will step into the ring against the vixen of The Rock N' Rave Infection? Tune in and find out!

- It will be TNA World Tag Team Champions Beer Money vs. Team 3D vs. Matt Morgan & Abyss vs. LAX in a "Hard Rock Hardcore Tag Team Text-off Gauntlet"

Fans decide the order that the eight TNA wrestlers will enter the ring for the “Hard Rock Hardcore Text Off Gauntlet”. From now until Thursday October 23rd at 9pmET fans can pick the order of the wrestlers that will under the Gauntlet. The order will be determined with the wrestler with the fewest votes entering first, with the wrestler with the most text votes being the last to enter the ring. Fans can cast their vote by texting the keyword (listed below for each wrestler) to the number 81676. Vote now and vote often. Standard Text Messaging rates apply.

Text Keyword to 81676

Wrestler Keyword
Hernandez HERNANDEZ
Homicide HOMICIDE
James Storm STORM
Robert Roode ROODE
Brother Devon DEVON
Brother Ray RAY
Matt Morgan MORGAN
Abyss ABYSS

All this and much more on the live HD iMPACT broadcast from Las Vegas, starting at 9pm ET on SpikeTV - plus news on the huge November 9 "Turning Point" Pay-Per-View event!

PTurkey

10-23-2008, 09:18 PM

So they got rad new graphics now. Sweet. The new music, meh. It's at least better than Smackdown's new music.

Hard Rock looks sooo tiny. Like, smaller than the ECW Arena tiny.

The promo by Angle, Booker, Nash & Sting was kinda good, but the name of the group is AWFUL.
Booker's accent is fantastic, and the Legends Championship is sweet.

Respect!

hobbyfan

10-23-2008, 11:07 PM

Main Event Mafia. Well, they couldn't call it the nWo since Vince McMahon owns that name now, but the concept remains the same. Respect? Don't make me laugh. Same garbage, different dressing.

Andrew Thomas blew two calls tonight. I realize TNA's rules are not as stringent as WWE or anyone else, but after nearly 6 1/2 years---and after a similar format bombed in WCW---you'd think TNA Uncreative would change that. They haven't. The women's match just was....there. Kong's the champ again, but shouldn't be. If Thomas does his job correctly, Kong loses via DQ for interference. Similarly, Beer Money should've been DQd for Jackie interfering with Thomas. In WWE, that would've been an easy call to make.

So of course Nash takes the lazy way to victory over Joe, but again, the finish was just....there. Bashir wins a protracted squash over Lethal. I have to believe that Bashir & Lethal didn't get enough time because of MEM hogging so much of it. Man, does that feel familiar, or what?:mad:

I took a chance flipping between this and the World Series. Aside from Foley becoming storyline part-owner of TNA (shades of Ric Flair in '01), not much has changed. Russo & Jarrett are recycling ideas from elsewhere. Dullsville. No sign of Cornette, which can't be too good. I expected Jim to be there for the live show. Cornette & Foley as authority figures together would be magic IMPO.

Jeff Jarrett, put your loyalty aside and do the fans a favor. Dump Russo, and send him to a monastery.

Hobbes829

10-23-2008, 11:21 PM

The one thing that i will say in WCW's defense, at least when they took a lot of WWE's stars and featured them in the main event, they were in their prime for the most part.

Beat

10-23-2008, 11:22 PM

I love how TNA tries to find an identity and every time seems to fail. First they tried to be the next incarnation of WCW, bombed horribly. They tried to be Lucha Libre, Russo's hatred of that turned the X Division into a joke. Then they tried to become of the UWF and shoot-style. Fans respond with loud chants of "we want wrestling", "Fire Russo" and others I can't mention.

Whatever TNA becomes, it won't be successful as long as they do nothing but retread the past.

Wonderwall

10-23-2008, 11:32 PM

That's 2 hours I'll never get back.

Beat

10-23-2008, 11:48 PM

Is it too late to wonder why TNA and not something like ROH has a primetime TV spot? At least Russo wasn't trying to imitate Dana's show this week. I'm still trying to forget Trigg's lay and pray disaster with AJ Styles.

TheVileOne

10-23-2008, 11:51 PM

TNA continues to be epic fail. The face of wrestling did not change forever.

I continue to spit on the dispicable and disgusting TNA promotion, and I fart in their general direction.

TNA will NEVER reach the next level.

Hobbes829

10-24-2008, 12:08 AM

Do you mean the UWF that was owned by Bill Watts or the other one. From what i know, the UWF had great booking and tremendous talent.

Beat

10-24-2008, 07:55 AM

Do you mean the UWF that was owned by Bill Watts or the other one. From what i know, the UWF had great booking and tremendous talent.

Japan's UWF, the forerunner of Pancrase, PRIDE, and ROH.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7xobGB4ltQ

Personally though, I believe shoot-style in this day and age to be antiquated when you have crowds going "We want wrestling".

EinBebop

10-24-2008, 09:12 AM

I continue to spit on the dispicable and disgusting TNA promotion, and I fart in their general direction.

TNA will NEVER reach the next level.There's a saying in Hollywood that the only thing worse than people talking badly about is people not talking about you at all. I'm sure that Vince Russo would thank you for your continuing support. :)

hobbyfan

10-24-2008, 09:29 AM

The one thing that i will say in WCW's defense, at least when they took a lot of WWE's stars and featured them in the main event, they were in their prime for the most part.

In their prime? Uh, wait a minute......

Hulk Hogan: Past his prime before 1996.
Kevin Nash: Past his prime before 1996.
Scott Hall: At the end of his peak years.
Sean Waltman (1996-98): Still in his prime.
Jim Duggan: Past his prime.
Brutus Beefcake (went by Disciple in the NWO): See Scott Hall.

Need I say any more?

hobbyfan

10-24-2008, 09:30 AM

Hobbes829

10-24-2008, 09:56 AM

TheVileOne

10-24-2008, 10:12 AM

There's a saying in Hollywood that the only thing worse than people talking badly about is people not talking about you at all. I'm sure that Vince Russo would thank you for your continuing support. :)

What support? I used to be a regular TNA viewer and PPV buyer. Not anymore. That's money TNA no longer gets from me. It figures they are still drawing stagnant ratings on SpikeTV and terrible PPV buyrates that don't ever grow at all. As well as never being able to legit sell out any out of town PPV's.

Steven C

10-24-2008, 01:23 PM

I DVR'd it last night. I'll fast forward through it when I get home.
Hey, since this is their 1st HD broadcast, does anyone get Spike in HD. I dont.

hobbyfan

10-24-2008, 02:08 PM

Last I checked, Time Warner doesn't have Spike on their HD tier in my area. They had USA HD briefly, but that was only during the Olympics.

The Penguin

10-24-2008, 09:39 PM

I just have such a hard time quitting wrestling, but I consider TNA to be so inferior, I keep thinking about it. With shows that I watch live and tape on Thursdays, I could fill the entire time TNA is on. I was hoping this week would be special with the whole HD/Vegas thing, but it wasn't really any different. They actually made the legends all teaming up worse by putting them all together and giving them a name. Main Event Mafia is about as good of a name as The Millionaire's Club. It sounds kinda dumb, but gets the point across.

Did anyone care what was in Booker's briefcase? I barely even thought about it and then it was... a belt. Ted DiBiase paid someone to call, he wants royalties.

When Mick first made his big announcement I was scared he actually poured some cash into this hole, but I should know better. If Foley is going to have an office, I hope that little stuffed dog comes back.

I'm disappointed that Kong is the Knockout Champion again. Wilde as the champion offered an opportunity for the belt to be passed around to a couple of the 'normal' women first, but it's right back to someone climbing the mountain that is Awesome Kong.

I'm trying to figure out why the area where Rhino confronted Bashir was so well-lit. Did they know something was going to happen there? ;)

Velvet Sky in fishnets? That'll work. :D (I'm just sayin'.)

hobbyfan

10-24-2008, 11:24 PM

Velvet Sky in fishnets? That'll work. :D (I'm just sayin'.)

Velvet always wears fishnets. Last night was the first time both she & Angelina wore the nets. Not that it did them any good.;) :p

mammy2shoesfan

10-25-2008, 02:12 AM

I wondering why everyone is so hard on TNA? Granted its never going to be WWF or WCW but on tv what else there? Truthly I can barely make thru RAW. Smackdown and ECW are on my DVR so I can end up erasing them. I actully look forward to watching TNA I wouldn't buy a PPV but thats besides the point.

BTW whats wrong with Kong being Champ I enjoyed her first run as champ and I'm going to enjoy this one as well.

PS did anyone notice Miss Jackys Nip Slip before they cut out to break.

Wonderwall

10-25-2008, 05:08 AM

Velvet always wears fishnets. Last night was the first time both she & Angelina wore the nets. Not that it did them any good.;) :p

Did me some good;)

hobbyfan

10-25-2008, 10:36 AM

Kevin drew a ton of money as part of the nWo, ergo the prime of his career. Hulk may have been past his prime in many respects, but the nWo angle revitilized his career. Guys like Raven (formerly Johnny Polo) were in their prime. Bret was still young and could have contributed so much, unfortunately politics held him back. They said it's because he couldn't talk which was BS.

TNA could make it if they pushed their own talent, simplified their booking and made make more sense. Unfortunately, when they make continuity mistakes they think "their a bunch of marks and it's just wrestling" Ugh! I'm a pro wrestling fan, and i'm intelligent so don't talk down to me. I'm willing to suspend disbelief for certain things like hitting the ropes, etc. However when they make an error in logic like when they said that adamle wasn't at raw so jericho took over, only to have adamle come back at the end of the show to save the day. The reason they gave for his absence was that he was in a meeting with steph and shane. Why in the heck would they schedule a meeting during the show. They could have just said that he was in bad traffic, or his flight was delayed. It's simple and it makes sense. I know lance storm gave that suggestion, but it illustrates the point well. The little things add up.

IIRC, Nash already had some problems with the knees before he returned to WCW in '96. IMO, he was coasting on his past accomplishments, and other than being charming on the mic, he was a total annoyance, like the rest of the NWO.

I agree that Uncreative fumbled on the Adamle angle a couple of weeks back. That's what happens when you book things at the last minute and don't think them through. TNA's problem is centered on the shoulders of a washed up Vince Russo. I don't need to rehash further what I've said about this geek already. TNA's inability to fully compete with WWE has resulted in McMahon contracting his tunnel-vision even further by calling his wrestlers "entertainers". Sorry, Vinnie Macaroni, but it's time to retire.

Hobbes829

10-25-2008, 12:04 PM

TNA should let someone like Cornette book. I'm sure some of his ideas will be a little too old school and outdated, but it can't be any worse than what they have now.

Vince needs to stop scripting promos. Give them bullet points, and let them think and react as their character. A good actor has the ability to recite lines and make them seem natural, but wrestlers aren't actors. For the most part they create personalities that are close to them and then turn the volume up when they are on camera.

If both companies were to go back to simple, time tested storytelling, and non-scripted promos the wrestling world would have much better ratings. I'm not saying they'd be attitude era ratings, but they would be anywhere from 4-5's. To get the 6-8's you'd need that stars to align with great storylines and a performer like austin or rock that comes along only very rarely.

I don't think vince is ashamed of being in the wrestling business like some have posited. I think that vince just wants to garner more mainstream acceptance. Unfortunately, he doesn't get that the only way to get people to respect your product is to present it as what it is and be proud of it. He's using euphamisms like wwe universe, sports entertainment (now i guess it's just entertainment). I get that some people see it as 'rasslin, but instead of trying to portray it as something different say, "it's not 'rasslin, it's Professional Wrestling" the key word there being Professional.

The Penguin

10-25-2008, 12:26 PM

BTW whats wrong with Kong being Champ I enjoyed her first run as champ and I'm going to enjoy this one as well.I'm not saying she will have a bad run as champion or is a bad champion, my concern is that now we are back to the same story, all the Knockouts trying to climb the almost impossibly tall mountain that is Kong. I feel like we're in for another period of time with squashes and stellar performances that come up short. I would have rather seen someone else as champion. Kong is a strong part of the division, but I'm not looking forward to her dominating it again.

hobbyfan

10-25-2008, 10:12 PM

TNA should let someone like Cornette book. I'm sure some of his ideas will be a little too old school and outdated, but it can't be any worse than what they have now.

Preach on, brother Hobbes.

Vince needs to stop scripting promos. Give them bullet points, and let them think and react as their character. A good actor has the ability to recite lines and make them seem natural, but wrestlers aren't actors. For the most part they create personalities that are close to them and then turn the volume up when they are on camera.

If both companies were to go back to simple, time tested storytelling, and non-scripted promos the wrestling world would have much better ratings. I'm not saying they'd be attitude era ratings, but they would be anywhere from 4-5's. To get the 6-8's you'd need that stars to align with great storylines and a performer like austin or rock that comes along only very rarely.

CAN I GET AN AMEN?

I don't think vince is ashamed of being in the wrestling business like some have posited. I think that vince just wants to garner more mainstream acceptance. Unfortunately, he doesn't get that the only way to get people to respect your product is to present it as what it is and be proud of it. He's using euphamisms like wwe universe, sports entertainment (now i guess it's just entertainment). I get that some people see it as 'rasslin, but instead of trying to portray it as something different say, "it's not 'rasslin, it's Professional Wrestling" the key word there being Professional.

It's not that Vince is ashamed of the business, far from it. He's already got the mainstream acceptance judging from the endorsement deals that have come along the last few years, including the current commercial that represents the only way Vince appears on TV these days (Gillette ad with John Cena). There are the movies and talk show appearances here and there. The "WWE Universe" thing sounds like something comics geek Brian Gewirtz pitched to Vince as a way of marketing the product to kids and adults alike who are also, like Gewirtz and some of the wrestlers (i.e. Rey Mysterio, Edge, Greg Helms), comics fans. By taking the emphasis off sports, McMahon is inadvertantly offending every wrestler who's been in his employ over the years (and it won't help him with Bruno Sammartino, among other things). I said it before, and I'll have to repeat it. Vince is not the visionary genius he was 20-25 years ago. The only thing saving him from total embarassment is that TNA is tripping over themselves every week.

TheVileOne

10-26-2008, 12:11 AM

TNA had the chance to elevate a new women's champ in Roxxi but they blew it for stupidity with Gail Kim who is no longer with the company.

The Penguin

10-30-2008, 09:00 PM

Mick Foley is now a part owner of TNA! New iMPACT! starts now.

http://library.toonzone.net/talkbacks/spike.jpghttp://library.toonzone.net/talkbacks/tna.jpgPREVIEW FOR THURSDAY'S "IMPACT!" ON SPIKE TV - MICK FOLEY AS EXECUTIVE SHAREHOLDER, THE MAIN EVENT MAFIA, CHRISTIAN CAGE ANSWERS BOOKER T, THE NEW "iMPACT!" ZONE AND MORE

On Thursday night, TNA Wrestling returns to SpikeTV with two hours of Total Nonstop Action featuring Mick Foley as the new Executive Shareholder of TNA!

A NEW LOOK FOR "iMPACT!" ON THURSDAY NIGHT: TNA is now High Definition on SpikeTV - and this week we debut our all-new "iMPACT" zone, featuring some very cool additions to our home arena in Orlando, Florida! Starting this Thursday night at 9pm ET, "iMPACT" goes to the next level!

The below is a preview of the broadcast - the card is subject to change:

- After what went down on the live broadcast involving the formation of the Main Event Mafia alliance of Sting, Kevin Nash, Kurt Angle and Booker T, the wrestling world wants to know how the young lions like Samoa Joe and AJ Styles will react. According to sources, Joe and AJ have already begun recruiting other superstars to join their side - and they plan to speak out this Thursday night on SpikeTV! Will all hell break loose as the war between the Main Event Mafia and the new generation continues to intensify? Tune in and find out!

- BUT, the big question is what will unfold on the broadcast as NEW TNA Executive Shareholder Mick Foley assumes power on "iMPACT!". Will Foley have something to say about the Main Event Mafia vs. the new generation? How will he change the landscape of TNA in his new role as shareholder with the company? Plus, we understand TNA founder Jeff Jarrett will be on the broadcast along with Foley to address the announcement!

- In Knockouts tag team action, it will be The Beautiful People facing the team of Christy Hemme and ODB

- The Motor City Machineguns will be in tag team action

- According to sources, "The Instant Classic" Christian Cage will make his decision whether he will fight Booker T at Turning Point on November 9! If Cage wins, he would get the Legends Championship. If he loses, he would be forced to join The Main Event Mafia!

All this and much more on Thursday's "iMPACT!" on SpikeTV at 9pm ET!

Vyse

10-30-2008, 09:09 PM

I have Spike in HD, and it looks good. In fact, during AJ's rant, I saw the lines on his forehead. Also, I like the new iMPACT Zone.

PTurkey

10-30-2008, 09:42 PM

The Impact zone looks fantastic now. I like how they kept the face & heel tunnels, but consolidated it to one ramp. Huge screens make everything look better.

So the MCMGs are face again? I thought they just turned evil. :shrug:

One awesome thing that TNA does that WWE doesn't is acknowledge there is wrestling outside of the US. Hiroshi Tanahashi and Volador Jr. didn't do much, but the news of more international talent to come has piqued my intrest. And Tanahashi's using his New Japan music; so much better than a song having that stereotypical asian string instrument that all the Japanese people that have ever been in WWE had.

Kenny E. McCall

10-30-2008, 11:37 PM

Now, If they can get a match between Samoa Joe and Awesome Kong on Impact in the next year, it would be gold!

Now, they need to send the Beautiful People to WWE so that they can get smacked around by the Miz and John Morrison a lot!

But Scott Steiner now a member of the Main Event Mafia? About time. I'm wondering who's next?

hobbyfan

10-31-2008, 02:11 PM

But Scott Steiner now a member of the Main Event Mafia? About time. I'm wondering who's next?

Good question. If Christian loses to Booker at Turning Point, he ends up joining the MEM, but I can't see that happening. I thought Team 3D might be part of this, too, since they've been doing Angle's dirty work, too, but apparently they're being turned face again. See, this is why Russo has to go. He can't keep his stories straight even for a week.:mad:

Beat

10-31-2008, 10:17 PM

Good question. If Christian loses to Booker at Turning Point, he ends up joining the MEM, but I can't see that happening. I thought Team 3D might be part of this, too, since they've been doing Angle's dirty work, too, but apparently they're being turned face again. See, this is why Russo has to go. He can't keep his stories straight even for a week.:mad:

Crash TV at work, ladies and gentlemen. And Crash TV = Ratings, at least according to Russo.

The Penguin

11-01-2008, 07:56 PM

One thing I found interesting this week was that "Cross the Line" promo about doing the same things and playing it safe. It's probably been up before, but I just really noticed it this week. I would say doing an exact angle from WCW with different names for the factions would count as doing the same thing. ;)

I'm not sure what's going on with the Motor City Machine Guns either, but I would suspect that those that don't actually belong would be flunkies and henchmen so we don't want them on Angle's team. I wasn't expecting Steiner to come back, but at least the smaller group has another member. Now I'm slightly interested in whether Petey will dye his hair or join up.

I was a basketball manager in high school, I wonder if could do the same for the 'hustler' team? :D