The CW4Kids Talkback: Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's "Creepy Crawlies" (Spoilers)

[D Dubbs]

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Episode 2
Japanese Title: Power-Insect Deck! Ant Lion Trap
English Title: Creepy Crawlies

Meet the main characters of Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's (the list will be updated as more characters appear):

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Yusei Fudo is a calm, quiet, technically savvy master mechanic and turbo duelist extraordinaire. Fueled with the hope of a better life for his friends, Yusei crafted the fastest and most competitive Duel Runner ever to kick it into overdrive! With pride in his ride and an unbreakable bond with his deck, Yusei is a gifted duelist who can throw down with the best of 'em.

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Jack Atlas is the number one ranked turbo duelist in the world - known by his adoring fans as the "Master of Faster!" He's cocky, self-centered, and has an ego that rides shotgun to his number one status. Stacked with a powerful deck and unbelievable ride, Jack now finds himself dueling circles around the competition in the KaibaCorp Speed World Dueling Circuit.

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Rex Goodwin is anything but what his last name suggests. He is the Director of Public Maintainence for New Domino City, a well-spoken and highly educated politician who operates and negotiates under a calm and patient face that masks a sinister personality that thrives on the power he possess and hopes to possess. Mr. Goodwin was the driving force behind the creation of the Secretarian State that now exists in New Domino City. Mr. Goodwin not only knows the about the secret of the Crimon Dragon, but looks to use its power to lead New Domino City into a bright and properous futre.

[Soul]

"Master of Faster!"
*facepalm*

But in any case..
TURBO DUEL! REV IT UP!

[garfield15]

-So, Goodwin's voice? It's not annoying. It could be better but at least its not annoying.

-My god, Jack is even more of a jerk dubbed.

-Still freaking out that they kept Rally a boy.

[Rud]

oh, the heart of the cards speach, how i missed it since the last time.

[Soul]

At first I was think they were gonna re-write Jack's character into a actual villain and leave it absent that Jack & Yusei were once friends.

But overall they're making Jack into a even BIGGER ******' than he was before.

Yusei being afraid of bugs = LOL~!

[Bratbat]

Long term jerkassery is needed to prevent a repeat of enemy turn rival turn unwilling ally.

[Yash]

Ugh, I hate what they did to Jack. In both versions he's ashamed of his past, but in the dub he's just a giant prick.

Rex's voice is okay, but it's really jarring in that scene where he's talking to Jack, because they sound so alike.

Yusei's fear of bugs was dub added, by the way.

Also it seems that 4Kids reverted the D-Wheel edit by keeping all of the text on it this time as opposed to just the speedometer.

[Bratbat]

Ugh, I hate what they did to Jack. In both versions he's ashamed of his past, but in the dub he's just a giant prick.

At least it prevents a chance of a repeat of the "Kaiba-Yugi rival unwilling ally flip flop" thing in the first Duel Monsters series.

[Harlan_Phoenix]

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8126/rexgoodwinxw3.png

Rex Goodwin is anything but what his last name suggests. He is the Director of Public Maintainence for New Domino City, a well-spoken and highly educated politician who operates and negotiates under a calm and patient face that masks a sinister personality that thrives on the power he possess and hopes to possess. Mr. Goodwin was the driving force behind the creation of the Secretarian State that now exists in New Domino City. Mr. Goodwin not only knows the about the secret of the Crimon Dragon, but looks to use its power to lead New Domino City into a bright and properous futre.


...This is the first time I've EVER seen Rex holding a card.

[Yash]

So now that I've seen the whole episode.

You know that scene in the beginning when Jack is holding Stardust Dragon? 4Kids added some glare over the card maybe to keep it a surprise when it's actually summoned.

I think they played another Japanese piece but I'm not totally sure. It's after the first commercial break when Yusei's friends are talking about fast food.

Ninja edit: Two other notes -

New Domino City is called Neo Domino in the Japanese version.

The bully, Uryu, isn't given a name in the dub.

[RonDrakenfan17]

ROLF Whats the point in adding Yuusei a fear of bugs? I guess to add humor, it was funny and all but LOL.

Did they keep all the names the same? It looks like it *Is Shocked*

Yes Jack is en even bigger prick than he was in the orginal anime. They seem to like to do that for rivals. Over all not a bad episode.

[garfield15]

Ninja edit: Two other notes -

New Domino City is called Neo Domino in the Japanese version.

Yeah I saw that coming. I mean if they weren't going to keep Duel Academy as Duel Academia than they certainly weren't going to call the city by a name that means the exact same thing :evil:



The bully, Uryu, isn't given a name in the dub.

My captions had him as Uryu sometimes and other times it would say Larry so...

[D Dubbs]

My captions had him as Uryu sometimes and other times it would say Larry so...

Hahaha, that's hilarious. :sweat:

Haven't watched this episode yet; will post comments later...

[Light Lucario]

I thought that this was a nice episode. Not as intense as the first episode, but that was the first episode to the series and the dueling on the motorcycle helped it with that. As I thought, the theme song still rocked so hard.

I did like seeing a bit more of Jack in the flashbacks. That would explain a bit more about why Yusei sees him as a rival, other than the whole stealing his card thing. In all honesty, I thought Jack's voice sounded better here than in last week's episode. I kept on thinking it was a British accent when it's actually Australian. It does seem obvious that he's ashamed of his past, but he didn't seem like that huge of a jerk to me. At least no where near as much of a jerk as Kaiba was in the dub. I did like hearing more about how the society works with the New Domino City, even though I'm still confused about some of it. Of course, it's still early on in the series.

I thought that the bully was pretty weak. I mean, making one of Yusei's friends trip and then make him buy a new pair. That just feels lame to me. For some reason, I didn't think we would see the officer again, but it looks like we will in the future. I did like seeing Yusei work more on his Duel Runner and riding it again. It looked so cool. They must make it really hard for people to get to New Domino City if the only chance Yusei has is through the swear system. Of course, the lame bully had to show up. I guess that Duel Runners aren't allowed in places outside of New Domino City, or at least where Yusei is at right now. At least we did get a reason to see a regular stand duel.

I thougt that the duel was pretty interesting. For some reason, I had a feeling that Yusei's fear of bugs was dub added. It just felt weird to me and he really showed no signs of fear at all during the whole duel. I was just worried that people would make a big deal about that here, but luckily that hasn't happened yet. It's a pretty minor thing anyway that was proabably added for either humor, more intense moments in the duel or both. I honestly thought that the bully was a pathetic duelist. He didn't even realize the effect of his own Spell card and that's what really costed him the duel. I had to laugh when he first realized that, even though I don't think there was an advantage of playing that card for him.

I did like seeing Yusei's skills in a regular duel. That was pretty cool and I liked how he used his cards, as well as the weakness of the bully's card, in order to gain victory. It looked like Jack is planning something against Yusei and Yusei is coming to get back his card. I really hope that he gets his Stardust Dragon back soon since it is an awesome card and it looked like everyone was happy when he first summoned it.

Overall, this was a fun episode. Seeing a regular duel was cool and I thought Jack's voice was improved over the last episode. Hopefully, we'll get to see how the story gets better in the near future. I'm so looking foreword to seeing the next episode.

On an unrelated note, this is my 2000th post and it is Yu-Gi-Oh! related. Yes! I thought that fit since my 1000th post was Pokemon related so I wanted this one to go to another one of my favorite shows. Hooray!!

[Yash]

My captions had him as Uryu sometimes and other times it would say Larry so...
http://hg101.classicgaming.gamespy.com/phoenixwright/larry.png
When something smells... It's probably 4Kids.

[Ian]

Two episodes in, and so far so good. The voice acting continues to be surprisingly good--Jack sounded much better here, and I found the newly-introduced characters well cast. I'm surprised Julie Rath--the series' voice director--only had done another show (F-Zero); if she's this consistently good, she really should have been getting a lot more work. And on that note, I really do wish 4Kids actually put in episode-specific credits somewhere--I'd really like to know who voices Rex Goodwin or anyone with a voice we haven't heard a million times before without having to resort to Google-fu.

As for the episode itself...I can see why 4Kids would feel the need to add backstory details; take away the conspiracy against Yusei (which I assume is a 4Kids add-on, given last episode), and this episode becomes as dull as dishwater: Yusei fights a random bully in a completely uneventful duel. Yawn.

[Goodfellow]

Why the hell is his name Goodwinn??? It's GODWINN!!! There is a reason for his name being that, what is wrong with them? ANyway, the voice acting in this episode went to crapsville. My god, last week we had some good voices, and now it seems like everyone forgot what they were doing, or only cared about the first episode. And how am I supposed to believe Yuusei is afraid of bugs when he doesn't even show it? Lastly, is Jack being voiced by William Shatner with an accent? He talks like him.

[Light Lucario]

Why the hell is his name Goodwinn??? It's GODWINN!!! There is a reason for his name being that, what is wrong with them? ANyway, the voice acting in this episode went to crapsville. My god, last week we had some good voices, and now it seems like everyone forgot what they were doing, or only cared about the first episode. And how am I supposed to believe Yuusei is afraid of bugs when he doesn't even show it? Lastly, is Jack being voiced by William Shatner with an accent? He talks like him.

My guess is to the change is probably the fact that the first three letters of his last name spells God. That's probably not something a lot of parents want to hear in a cartoon that they're kids are watching. Besides that, its only one darn letter. There is no reason to get that upset for one letter in a last name. I really didn't think that the voice acting was that bad. Jack's voice definitely sounded better to me.

As for adding Yusei's fear of bugs, yeah that was kind of weird. It was pretty obvious to me that that was added in when I watched it and I don't even watch the Japanese version. Honestly, it was probably an attempt to make the duel a bit more intense, even though I think the only point of the duel was to show off that regular standing duels still happen in the future. Still, it really didn't take away the general point of the episode so I'm not really complaining.

As for Jack's voice, he is voiced by Ted Lewis, the voice actor who did Bakura in Yu-Gi-Oh!. This time though, it sounds more like an Australian accent to me. I honestly thought that it was better than from last time, especially in a couple of the flashbacks.

[Yash]

At least it prevents a chance of a repeat of the "Kaiba-Yugi rival unwilling ally flip flop" thing in the first Duel Monsters series.
Not really. Nothing of the sort has happened in the Japanese version yet, but if they end up doing that, 4Kids can't just edit around it.

They rewrote Kaiba in the same manner from a condescending upper class men to just an outright ******bag, but they can't change what's animated on the screen.

[Goodfellow]

My guess is to the change is probably the fact that the first three letters of his last name spells God. That's probably not something a lot of parents want to hear in a cartoon that they're kids are watching. Besides that, its only one darn letter. There is no reason to get that upset for one letter in a last name. I really didn't think that the voice acting was that bad. Jack's voice definitely sounded better to me.

I disagree. This changing names just because it has the word god in it is rediculous. Since when is it taboo to use the word god in a cartoon? It makes me want to create a show based on all mythology and call it, God's Mystical Journey to the Gods of the Universe. There was no reason for this. As for his voice, it was too soft. Godwinn is supposed to have a deep voice. Plus there is a reason his name is Godwinn. As for Jack, he either needs to stick with the accent full time or have none at all. I am getting tired of hearing every other sentence without the accent when the others have the accent.


As for adding Yusei's fear of bugs, yeah that was kind of weird. It was pretty obvious to me that that was added in when I watched it and I don't even watch the Japanese version. Honestly, it was probably an attempt to make the duel a bit more intense, even though I think the only point of the duel was to show off that regular standing duels still happen in the future. Still, it really didn't take away the general point of the episode so I'm not really complaining.

It ruined the duel though. There was no sign in Yusei he was even afraid of bugs, and the script was terrible. Did that dude seriously say, "Oh no, my bugs don't stand a chance now??" What kind of duelist is that?

Overall, the horrific script really ruined this episode to the point where I think I've had enough of the dub. 4Kids has learned nothing over the years, and I continue to cheer on their downwardspiral into bankruptsy.

[RomanMack]

^ True blue anime fan, right here.,

[mumbo]

The quality was definitely down this episode. And ugh Jack's voice was worse than the week before. On the first listen I thought Goodwin sounded fine but then listening to it again...wow. That was some uneven, haltingly terrible acting there.

It's not that I find the 4Kids dub all that bad, it's just that it's getting kind of annoying. They nickel and dime all these little edits here and there and they pile up. None of them are anything worth freaking out over but so many of them are like, why? What's the point of changing the counters, making Yusei afraid of bugs, and so on?

To be fair, though, the original version of this episode was boring as hell.

[D Dubbs]

Yeah, I'd also agree the dub quality is a step down from the first episode. Rex's voice is okay...but it's going to take some time to get used to. The rest of the voices were about as good as last time, although the music seemed a little worse this time around. I didn't really mind Yusei's added phobia of bugs, since this was pretty much just a filler duel anyway.

[garfield15]

Overall, the horrific script really ruined this episode to the point where I think I've had enough of the dub. 4Kids has learned nothing over the years, and I continue to cheer on their downwardspiral into bankruptsy.

As much as I'm trying to enjoy and see the benefits of the dub, I have to agree here. I'm giving it 'till around Jack and Yusei's duel before I decide. And even if I don't like it I'm gonna stick around till LUA and LUCA's Va's apper. Oh and Aki too. But it's like after the first episode they said, "Okay, back to GX-style dubbing."

I guarantee none will shed a tear of 4Kids goes bankrupt. Heck, half the shows they own could then be picked up by other companies.

(what happened to Shaman King, Doremi, Mew Mew and Ultimate Muscle? God, I'm so glad these guys didn't get Pretty Cure.)

[PirateBeck]

(what happened to Shaman King, Doremi, Mew Mew and Ultimate Muscle? God, I'm so glad these guys didn't get Pretty Cure.)

He
he
he

Minus Doremi from the mix and guess what happened to these shows lisences.
Go on
Hint: SK and TMM in July, UM on 31st August and PC on September 19th

[D Dubbs]

Yeah, 4Kids let most of their licenses expire (except for DoReMi for whatever reason), so pretty much anyone could pick them up now.

[Harlan_Phoenix]

4Kids has learned nothing over the years, and I continue to cheer on their downwardspiral into bankruptsy.

Real mature. "I'm so glad people have a higher chance of losing their jobs because they ruined a cartoon show!" Clearly, 22 minute Japanese toy commercials are serious business. This is especially funny coming from someone who thought only removing product placement ruined an entire TV show.

I LIKED the episode. I thought Jack's voice was still annoying, but other than that, I have little problem. As random an addition as it was, a fear of bugs doesn't make Yusei completely dull as dirt. I won't necessarily call this an improvement over the Japanese like I felt episode 1 was, but it was enjoyable.

I still wanna know why Rex is holding a card in that preview image. Is he a duelist too?

[Yash]

It's not that I find the 4Kids dub all that bad, it's just that it's getting kind of annoying. They nickel and dime all these little edits here and there and they pile up. None of them are anything worth freaking out over but so many of them are like, why? What's the point of changing the counters, making Yusei afraid of bugs, and so on?
Not that I agree with the change, but I doubt writing the script to reflect Yusei's fear of bugs would really add up in the long run, as it's just paying a guy to change something he was about to write anyway. It strikes me as odd that they would even do that to begin with though, as his expressions don't suggest he has a fear of bugs. Even though Yusei is a pretty reserved character, you think he would at least show some reaction.

So far, they haven't done anything that reminds me of GX style dubbing, which would basically involve making the show a huge in-joke. It seems more similar to the original series where they would change stuff for the hell of it but it'd still take itself fairly seriously. As long as they don't start spoiling major plot points dozens of episodes before they happen (like Pegasus' wife's death), it's still the better of the three (even if that's not saying much).

The original music doesn't hurt my opinion any, either.

[Taekmkm]

As long as they don't start spoiling major plot points dozens of episodes before they happen (like Pegasus' wife's death)

Or...you know, explaining the whole egyption card thing in the opening credits.

[Bratbat]

Overall, the horrific script really ruined this episode to the point where I think I've had enough of the dub. 4Kids has learned nothing over the years, and I continue to cheer on their downwardspiral into bankruptsy.

4Kids is dependent on YGO but not to the point where it is virtually their only source of income. In fact, they are more tied to the Danish import because they actually invest in it not just adapt it.

[Light Lucario]

I disagree. This changing names just because it has the word god in it is rediculous. Since when is it taboo to use the word god in a cartoon? It makes me want to create a show based on all mythology and call it, God's Mystical Journey to the Gods of the Universe. There was no reason for this. As for his voice, it was too soft. Godwinn is supposed to have a deep voice. Plus there is a reason his name is Godwinn. As for Jack, he either needs to stick with the accent full time or have none at all. I am getting tired of hearing every other sentence without the accent when the others have the accent.

I don't think changing a name is wrong or ridiculous at all. Names aren't that important compared to say personalities and it seems like those are basically being kept. Sure, Jack is apparently more of a jerk, but I don't see him reaching Kaiba level of being a jerk yet. If he does, I won't mind that much as long as I continue to enjoy the series.

As for the whole God thing, two words: Soccer moms. A lot of people would either if it offensive to hear the word God, I believe that that the God in Godwinn would be apparent as you say it in Enligsh, in a cartoon, both for people of Christan faith or with other beliefs. To throw a different example, that's why in the FUNimation dub of One Piece that did air on CN, God was changed to being a King. Sorry to bring One Piece back to this thread, but that was the only example I could think of at the moment.

As for his voice, I really wasn't paying attention to him that much during the episode, so I really didn't have a chance to judge it for myself. Though, it didn't really sound that bad to me, but I'll see if Goodwin has more lines in the next episode.


It ruined the duel though. There was no sign in Yusei he was even afraid of bugs, and the script was terrible. Did that dude seriously say, "Oh no, my bugs don't stand a chance now??" What kind of duelist is that?

Overall, the horrific script really ruined this episode to the point where I think I've had enough of the dub. 4Kids has learned nothing over the years, and I continue to cheer on their downwardspiral into bankruptsy.

I'm not sure if I would say it ruined the duel. Sure, it was weird how Yusei showed absolutely no fear in the bugs, but take away that short of stuff and was the duel better? Even without the bug stuff, the duel seemed pretty boring to me. It was only to show that regular standing duels still happen in the future. As for the bully duelist, he was already ridiculously lame when he didn't even realize the effect of his own Spell card, which I believe would be in both version.

So you've only watched two episodes of the dub and you think you've had enough? Personally, I think that's a bit soon, but if that's how you feel. But do you really have to act that immature by hopping for 4Kids to collaspe, thus costing hundreds of people their jobs, just because they didn't have an accurate adaptation of a Japanese cartoon? 4Kids isn't my favorite company either and I can understand why people would be unhappy with their dubbing work, but I think people go to far with actually hopping that they'll all lose their jobs just because of their dubs of cartoons. That just feels really weak to me. Surely other companies in the U.S. have done far worse things than not make a golden translation of the a Japanese card game commerical cartoon. I honestly don't see the point of simply complaining about realtively small or meaningless changes in the long run or how that kind of complaining honestly makes a true blue anime fan

Anyway, I pretty much agree with Harlan_Phoenix that this episode wasn't as good as the first one, but it wasn't that bad. I still enjoyed it and I still think Jack's voice improved, or at least sounded better than from the brief seconds we saw him in the first episode.

[Shift]

Funny, they used to go on about the Egyptian god cards like there was no tomorrow. I guess they prefer to stick purely with fiction; i.e. made-up gods > names that exist in real life.

Say, does anyone think "...in Austrailia!" will ever catch on?

[Bratbat]

^ True blue anime fan, right here.,

Ah the "No True Scotsman".

[Harlan_Phoenix]

Ah the "No True Scotsman".

True anime fans think hardworking people should lose their jobs.

[Yash]

Funny, they used to go on about the Egyptian god cards like there was no tomorrow. I guess they prefer to stick purely with fiction; i.e. made-up gods > names that exist in real life.
They prevented any controversy by referring to them as EGYPTIAN God cards, stressing the fact that they were not the Christian God worshiped by a majority of the American population.

By the time they called them "God cards" everyone stopped caring about Yugioh.


True anime fans think hardworking people should lose their jobs.
Well I think it's immature to hold ill will over cartoons, but I hope whoever worked on One Piece got the axe. I mean, everything up until that point was at least watchable, until OP which was a travesty in every conceivable way.

(I'm not speaking from a comparative standpoint, either. The 4Kids dub of One Piece, on its own merit, was garbage)

[Goodfellow]

As for the whole God thing, two words: Soccer moms. A lot of people would either if it offensive to hear the word God, I believe that that the God in Godwinn would be apparent as you say it in Enligsh, in a cartoon, both for people of Christan faith or with other beliefs.

Since when is Christianity the only religion? Why is it okay to poke fun at other beliefs in toons except them? They are the worst kind of religion because of the way they treated others, especially Pagans, and yet, they are the ones that get the most taboo on TV. I follow the Egyptian pantheon, and I find it insulting that they had to always say, "Egyptian God Cards," in DM instead of just God Cards. Not to mention I am offended they changed the name of a god to the name of some man just because he brought the series to America. Oh yeah, plus there is the fact that I always have to hear God instead of Gods. Yet no one cares because my beliefs are consider wrong by Christians. You either do it equally for everyone, or you don't do it at all. Crap, this is getting way too much into a religious debate, so I'll now.


So you've only watched two episodes of the dub and you think you've had enough? Personally, I think that's a bit soon, but if that's how you feel.

I'll give it another shot once the almighty goddess Aki comes into play.


But do you really have to act that immature by hopping for 4Kids to collaspe, thus costing hundreds of people their jobs, just because they didn't have an accurate adaptation of a Japanese cartoon? 4Kids isn't my favorite company either and I can understand why people would be unhappy with their dubbing work, but I think people go to far with actually hopping that they'll all lose their jobs just because of their dubs of cartoons.

You're right, that comment was quite immature, and I am sorry for the most part, but people who license anime just to ruin it do not deserve jobs. I am pointing my fingers at Al Khan and Roger Slifer most of all. I have no problem editing it for TV, but the fact that they refuse to allow the fans to get the original uncut Japanese versions on DVD in the US is where my disdain towards them comes to fruition, and why I welcome their downfall. If it weren't for losers like them, I would not have had to spend the outrageous costs to buy the Region 2 DVDs for these shows, which do not even have English subtitles. I would have been able to support the American companies with my hard earned money, giving it to the American market as opposed to the Japanese market.

[Bratbat]

You're right, that comment was quite immature, and I am sorry for the most part, but people who license anime just to ruin it do not deserve jobs.

It depends on the definition of "ruined".

The way I see in their opinion, the show's surface look was altered but it is still the same old revenue generating machine. They would consider it "ruined" if and probably only if it wasn't that great with the ad money when compared to the source.

A bit gut wrenching but there is always this (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FanHaters) if you think people who appreciate the anime for just being here regardless of edits are... well you know (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LowestCommonDenominator).

EDIT: Roger Slifer is comic book writer. I don't recall him being in charge of a production.

[Harlan_Phoenix]

You're right, that comment was quite immature, and I am sorry for the most part, but people who license anime just to ruin it do not deserve jobs.

You talk as if they buy anime specifically to ruin it. Quit acting twelve.

[Bratbat]

They adapt properties and sell it here as a way of making money for the company. This company isn't run by Looten Plunder. No company would make a bad rep just for the heck of it.

If you think there something wrong with the company why you get an executive job there and see what you can do.

[Yash]

You talk as if they buy anime specifically to ruin it.
Well, that's pretty much what they did. They purchased shows that very obviously didn't fit in with their business model (One Piece, Tokyo Mew Mew, Shaman King) and sabotaged their own products with poor dubbing, harmful decisions (let me go on record to say that the rap song is what killed One Piece), and terrible DVD releases.

Either 4Kids has some of the worst business sense in the industry or it was all deliberate. Clearly it's caught up to them.


They adapt properties and sell it here as a way of making money for the company. This company isn't run by Looten Plunder. No company would make a bad rep just for the heck of it.
Um, no.

"Hey guys, we're releasing uncut DVDs."
"Really?"
"LOL PSYCH"

They consistently jerk their fans around and acknowledge doing so in the process.

[Bratbat]

They consistently jerk their fans around and acknowledge doing so in the process.

Really?:yawn:

[Harlan_Phoenix]

Well, that's pretty much what they did.

Regardless of how crappy they are at business, I'm not going to sit with someone saying "THEY BUY ANIME JUST TO RUIN IT!!!" (especially when this same person said he wouldn't buy Code Geass because they edited out product placement) when it's obviously not true. They couldn't handle a business model worth crap and could never figure out exactly what properties would warrant them the most success, but to talk as if they twirled their mustache like Snively Whiplash and conspired to make anime intentionally terrible is just immature and fanboyish.

[Bratbat]

Exactly, I prefer the incompetence theory over the intentional sabotage theory.

[Light Lucario]

Since when is Christianity the only religion? Why is it okay to poke fun at other beliefs in toons except them? They are the worst kind of religion because of the way they treated others, especially Pagans, and yet, they are the ones that get the most taboo on TV. I follow the Egyptian pantheon, and I find it insulting that they had to always say, "Egyptian God Cards," in DM instead of just God Cards. Not to mention I am offended they changed the name of a god to the name of some man just because he brought the series to America. Oh yeah, plus there is the fact that I always have to hear God instead of Gods. Yet no one cares because my beliefs are consider wrong by Christians. You either do it equally for everyone, or you don't do it at all. Crap, this is getting way too much into a religious debate, so I'll now.

I really don't think you're understanding my point. First of all, I don't really think much of any religion is brought into cartoons outside of Christmas specials/episodes. All I was trying to say was that they wouldn't want to mention the word God simply because some people outside or in the Christian religion would find that offensive for the children. I don't understand that logic, but its there. They got away with calling the word God in DM simply because of calling them Egyptian God Cards. I do recall though that they called them simply God Cards every now and then. As for your religion, I'm sorry if you felt like I was attacking that, but I wasn't at all. I wouldn't even label myself under a religion, but that's another story. This is getting too much into religious, but I needed to make my point.




I'll give it another shot once the almighty goddess Aki comes into play.

Sounds fair enough. Without hearing of any spoilers, I have heard some good things about Aki.



You're right, that comment was quite immature, and I am sorry for the most part, but people who license anime just to ruin it do not deserve jobs. I am pointing my fingers at Al Khan and Roger Slifer most of all. I have no problem editing it for TV, but the fact that they refuse to allow the fans to get the original uncut Japanese versions on DVD in the US is where my disdain towards them comes to fruition, and why I welcome their downfall. If it weren't for losers like them, I would not have had to spend the outrageous costs to buy the Region 2 DVDs for these shows, which do not even have English subtitles. I would have been able to support the American companies with my hard earned money, giving it to the American market as opposed to the Japanese market.

I'm confused with what you're saying here. You agreed that your previous comment was immature, yet you go back and say that the people, mainly Al Khan and Roger Slifer, don't deserve jobs simply because of their work on anime series? That's still pretty immature. I mean, I know that they're not that good at the business of providing anime dub, though I still think the quality in 5Ds and Dinosaur King is a good step foreword overall for 4Kids, but that doesn't mean that they don't deserve jobs. That's really harsh. They need to support themselves and their families if they have any and they aren't doing anything illegal. The way that you complain about how you have to import the Japanese DVDs instead of the dub makes it sound like anime, to you, is a right, not a privlege. In my opinion, that's the other way around.

I also agree with Harlan_Phoenix and Bratbat in terms of prefering tht incompetence theory over the intentional sabotage theory. I know that 4Kids has put out pretty horrible dubs in the past, I still think that their recent two are no where near as bad as some of their other work, but I seriously doubt that they're just planning on making that kind of quality from the start sounds completely pathetic. They do have some bad business skills, in terms of most of their anime products at least, but I don't think that they're doing it intentionally. I'm honestly hoping that this week's episode thread will have less 4Kids bashing and more of a focus on the episode itself just because these arguments are getting tiring for me.