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Mavericker
08-30-2008, 05:38 PM
I think people who know anything about the Mario games have heard of them,
but am I the only one who thinks it's a little screwed up they weren't created and established at the same time?
I think it's a bit screwed up that Waluigi somehow found himself as part of the main Mario cast even though he's never actually DONE anything.
jph139
08-30-2008, 06:06 PM
I think it's a bit screwed up that Waluigi somehow found himself as part of the main Mario cast even though he's never actually DONE anything.
But he has an awesome name, so I forgive him.
Looneytunes
08-30-2008, 06:11 PM
I agree, it is screwed up that Waluigi of all a sudden found himself as one of the Mario cast members, when he has not done *anything* for his part, but I agree wholeheartedly, they should have created and established Wario, Waluigi, *and* Boshi all at the same time, since they are the evil counterparts of Mario, Luigi, and Yoshi (three major Mario characters), respectively. About his name, I like his name, but I strongly believe that they should have come up with another name, Waluigi sounds pretty much like a combination between Wario and Luigi, that is pathetic, really.
Looneytunes/Disneytoons
Mavericker
08-30-2008, 06:24 PM
I agree, it is screwed up that Waluigi of all a sudden found himself as one of the Mario cast members, when he has not done *anything* for his part, but I agree wholeheartedly, they should have created and established Wario, Waluigi, *and* Boshi all at the same time, since they are the evil counterparts of Mario, Luigi, and Yoshi (three major Mario characters), respectively. About his name, I like his name, but I strongly believe that they should have come up with another name, Waluigi sounds pretty much like a combination between Wario and Luigi, that is pathetic, really.
Looneytunes/Disneytoons
It's kind of screwed up they were created by two different developers.
Anyway, warui is the Japanese word for evil or bad.
Warui + Mario = Wario
In Japanese Luigi is pronounced like Ruiji.
Warui + Luigi = Warui + Ruiji = Waruiji = Waluigi
That's how they came of with the names.
Wario is essentially a "bad Mario" and Waluigi a "bad Luigi".
Wario worked because a "W" is an inverse "M", and that symbol Waluigi wears is an inverse "L".
The Γ is not Faux Cyrillic and even if it looks like the greek letter "gamma" and could be used to rename him "Gualuigi", it's not said letter.
I think they should have called him Γuigi, but I don't think people would know how to pronounce that.
And now you know. :D
They could have called them Oiram and Igiul but I think the developers wanted to be more creative.
I think it's a bit screwed up that Waluigi somehow found himself as part of the main Mario cast even though he's never actually DONE anything.
He was the archvillain in DDR: Mario Mix- does that count?
Master Moron
08-30-2008, 07:54 PM
I agree, it is screwed up that Waluigi of all a sudden found himself as one of the Mario cast members, when he has not done *anything* for his part, but I agree wholeheartedly, they should have created and established Wario, Waluigi, *and* Boshi all at the same time, since they are the evil counterparts of Mario, Luigi, and Yoshi (three major Mario characters), respectively. About his name, I like his name, but I strongly believe that they should have come up with another name, Waluigi sounds pretty much like a combination between Wario and Luigi, that is pathetic, really.
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. I mean, Wario's whole thing is that a W is an upside down M. So, for an evil Luigi shouldn't they just take the first letter of his name and make it upside down? So, shouldn't it be 7uigi?
It's kind of screwed up they were created by two different developers.
Anyway, warui is the Japanese word for evil or bad.
Warui + Mario = Wario
In Japanese Luigi is pronounced like Ruiji.
Warui + Luigi = Warui + Ruiji = Waruiji = Waluigi
That's how they came of with the names.
Wario is essentially a "bad Mario" and Waluigi a "bad Luigi".
Wario worked because a "W" is an inverse "M", and that symbol Waluigi wears is an inverse "L".
The Γ is not Faux Cyrillic and even if it looks like the greek letter "gamma" and could be used to rename him "Gualuigi", it's not said letter.
I think they should have called him Γuigi, but I don't think people would know how to pronounce that.
And now you know. :D
They could have called them Oiram and Igiul but I think the developers wanted to be more creative.
Ehhhh...I guess that makes sense.
Mavericker
08-30-2008, 09:24 PM
Wario's and Waluigi's names are Japanese puns.
It's still a little weird how Waluigi got established but he hasn't officially DONE anything in any canon games like others said.
Wario was originally an antagonist for Mario in Super Mario Land 2. Then Wario starred in SML 3 and he took off from there.
Waluigi first appeared in Mario Tennis as Wario's partner.
He makes appearances in Mario Party and Mario sports titles and other Mario spin-offs. He appeared in SSMB Brawl as a trophy and had a cameo in WarioWare: Smooth Moves.
They should at least make Waluigi a playable character in a Wario adventure title.
FACT: The only reason Waluigi exists is because Wario needed a doubles partner in Mario Tennis.
Uzemaki Goku
08-30-2008, 11:43 PM
FACT: The only reason Waluigi exists is because Wario needed a doubles partner in Mario Tennis.
It's also the only reason they brought Daisy back in Mario Tennis because they wanted Luigi to have a female partner like Mario with Peach.
Mavericker
08-31-2008, 02:03 AM
It's also the only reason they brought Daisy back in Mario Tennis because they wanted Luigi to have a female partner like Mario with Peach.
Yes-they needed partners but they need to break away from that.
Daisy was already an established character.
They were going to create a "bad Luigi" anyway.
DarthGonzo
08-31-2008, 10:48 AM
I think Waluigi is cool in an "I can't believe this character actually exists" sort of way.
Ishtar
08-31-2008, 11:42 AM
I'm surprised Waluigi hasn't shown up in a Wario Ware game yet...
Looneytunes
08-31-2008, 01:47 PM
I know warui is the Japanese word for evil/bad, thus "Wario", but would it make more sense if Waluigi was actually "Ruigi"? I do not think it makes much sense.
About "DDR: Mario Mix", no, that does not count. Waluigi should have been created and established the same time as Wario, since Waluigi is the evil counterpart of Luigi, as Wario is the evil counterpart of Mario. I mean, all this time, Wario and Waluigi could have formed as the wicked Wario Brothers, bringing along Boshi, at least it is better than making all of those pointless Mario and Wario games.
Regarding the comment, "I think Waluigi is cool in an "I can't believe this character actually exists" sort of way", that is a great comment, I totally agree with that.
Anyway, I am just glad Waluigi was finally made. (Sarcastically) after all of these years.
Looneytunes/Disneytoons
Wario and Waluigi are great characters, its a shame they haven't been used as a real "threat". Does bowser really need to be behind everything every single time?
Speaking of Mario Tennis, its too bad we havent' seen DK Jr since then, I really liked having him. I mean its not like the Mario-verse doesn't already have continuity problems for them to not include it for continuity sake.
Light Lucario
08-31-2008, 05:01 PM
I think Waluigi is cool in an "I can't believe this character actually exists" sort of way.
Yeah, I can understand that. Waluigi does kind of have a cool design. I actually didn't know that he wasn't in a game like Wario was. I thought that he was in some game. I know Wario had his own game and part of another Mario game, but I guess Waluigi is there so that there can be like an anti-Luigi.
Mavericker
08-31-2008, 09:51 PM
};2972336']Wario and Waluigi are great characters, its a shame they haven't been used as a real "threat". Does bowser really need to be behind everything every single time?
Speaking of Mario Tennis, its too bad we havent' seen DK Jr since then, I really liked having him. I mean its not like the Mario-verse doesn't already have continuity problems for them to not include it for continuity sake.
What's Wario's and Waluigi's connection to Bowser?
Waluigi did appear in a mini-game in WarioWare Smooth Moves.
I read somewhere they are supposed to be coming about with Super Wario Bros. for the Wii, but that's probably rumor.
Tanooki
08-31-2008, 10:56 PM
What's Wario's and Waluigi's connection to Bowser?there isn't one other than they're both enemies of mario. sdp was implying it'd be nice to have a main stream mario platformer with wario (and possibly waluigi) as the main villain again
how did you get that sdp was implying there was a connection? i don't see it
What's Wario's and Waluigi's connection to Bowser?
Waluigi did appear in a mini-game in WarioWare Smooth Moves.
I read somewhere they are supposed to be coming about with Super Wario Bros. for the Wii, but that's probably rumor.
What?
Wario/Waluigi have connection to Bowser besides the spin-off game but what i meant is they could replace him as the main villain in one game.
That rumor is definitely false however Wario is getting a new 2D platforming game on the Wii called Wario Land something.
Blackstar
09-01-2008, 08:40 AM
I read somewhere they are supposed to be coming about with Super Wario Bros. for the Wii, but that's probably rumor.
Yeah, that's just a rumor. That was something that someone typed on Wikipedia a while back that has since been removed.
You shouldn't believe everything that you read on the 'net, unless it's from a reliable source, which Wiki is not always, because everyone and their Uncle Frank can edit Wiki at any time. Generally, when one reads something on Wiki, one should also check for an official link or source material.
Looneytunes
09-01-2008, 04:39 PM
I have always thought it would be cool to see Donkey Kong, Bowser, and Wario join forces, since they all share being enemies with Mario, but other than that, they do not have much else in common with each other. However, I think Donkey Kong and Bowser have the bigger connection, between Donkey Kong is a lot like King Kong and Bowser is a lot like Godzilla, and that is not a coincidence, because Nintendo was originally made in Japan, and King Kong and Godzilla are two fictional monsters from movies set in Japan. I have always considered a "Super Mario Bros." parody of the video game, "Rampage", based on the movie, "King Kong vs. Godzilla", but using Donkey Kong and Bowser.
Anyway, I agree about the comment about the wikipedia. I do not know if they will come out with a version of "Super Mario Bros." on the WII, though they probably will, but I have read many things on the wikipedia that I question. One example that I have is warlocks (male witches) ride on pitchforks instead of broomsticks (ala witches), but that would make sense, though I cannot explain why on the internet. However, even though many of the things I have looked up on the wikipedia are actually true, as it has been said by many, many people, do not always believe what you read. Anyway, yeah, do not always believe what you read.
Looneytunes/Disneytoons
CartoonOverlord
09-01-2008, 04:54 PM
I like Waluigi, I can't specifically say why, but I do. I wish he was in Wario Ware or something, give him importance after all.
Daxdiv
09-01-2008, 05:09 PM
I like Waluigi, I can't specifically say why, but I do. I wish he was in Wario Ware or something, give him importance after all.
I'm not alone on that. I want Waluigi to be playable in his own game. Much like how Luigi was made playable in "Luigi's Mansion" (Yes I am aware of Mario is Missing, but that doesn't count in my book.) I always use Waluigi in the sports/spin-off games, just to be funny.
R-Taco
09-01-2008, 06:35 PM
Waluigi is cool to me because, if nothing else, he looks like Snidely Whiplash.
http://www.gardenmob.com/snidely-whiplash.jpg
veemonjosh
09-01-2008, 06:49 PM
I'm surprised Waluigi hasn't shown up in a Wario Ware game yet...
Actually, he has been in a few of the mini-games...
But still, what a waste of a character.
Silverstar
09-01-2008, 10:54 PM
Waluigi is cool to me because, if nothing else, he looks like Snidely Whiplash.
http://www.gardenmob.com/snidely-whiplash.jpg
He also looks a bit like Dick Dastardly.
http://www.detstar.com/files/features/supersmashbrosbrawl/waluigi.jpg
http://www.damninteresting.net/content/dastardly.JPG
Master Moron
09-02-2008, 01:48 AM
I have always thought it would be cool to see Donkey Kong, Bowser, and Wario join forces, since they all share being enemies with Mario, but other than that, they do not have much else in common with each other. However, I think Donkey Kong and Bowser have the bigger connection, between Donkey Kong is a lot like King Kong and Bowser is a lot like Godzilla, and that is not a coincidence, because Nintendo was originally made in Japan, and King Kong and Godzilla are two fictional monsters from movies set in Japan. I have always considered a "Super Mario Bros." parody of the video game, "Rampage", based on the movie, "King Kong vs. Godzilla", but using Donkey Kong and Bowser.
What about Tatanga and Wart?
What about Tatanga and Wart?
They don't exist as far as Mario canon is concerned.
Looneytunes
09-02-2008, 02:51 PM
Technically, Tatanga and Wart are not Mario's enemies. They are just the final bosses of games from the "Super Mario Bros." video game franchise. I am talking about the classic, essential, and major archenemies of Mario: Donkey Kong, Bowser, and Wario.
Looneytunes/Disneytoons
Blackstar
09-02-2008, 02:55 PM
Wart was the final boss in Doki Doki Panic, which didn't become a Mario game until it was ported over to the U.S., where Nintendo replaced the DDP characters with Mario Bros. characters and sold the game as Super Mario Brothers 2. So technically, Wart isn't even canon with the Mario universe.
tb4000
09-02-2008, 03:02 PM
I won't lie, I would like to see a Wario Bros. cartoon. Maybe done in a style like Billy and Mandy where the main characters are not that likeable and are self serving, yet you watch anyway.
jph139
09-02-2008, 03:04 PM
Wart was the final boss in Doki Doki Panic, which didn't become a Mario game until it was ported over to the U.S., where Nintendo replaced the DDP characters with Mario Bros. characters and sold the game as Super Mario Brothers 2. So technically, Wart isn't even canon with the Mario universe.
Well, by that logic, neither are Shy Guys. ;)
kenjisalk
09-02-2008, 03:43 PM
This isn't some abstract Pollick painting you guys, it's Nintendo.
Wario was a gimicky antagonist in a Gameboy Game, he became popular amongst the fanbase, and when they introduced the concept of dopplegangers in the Mario universe, they ran with the concept.
I only complain about the lack of Woshi, Pwincess Peach, Wonky Kong, Widdy Kong, King Wowzer, Woopa Troopa, Woad, King Woo (the ghost), and so on.
I'd find the concept of a bizarro world of opposite versions of the entire Nintendo lineup hilarious, if fully executed.
Why would Wario and Waluigi need to be established at the same time? Mario was introduced in Donkey Kong (1981) while Luigi was introduced in Mario Bros. (1983)
Harlan_Phoenix
09-02-2008, 06:45 PM
They don't exist as far as Mario canon is concerned.
So the race that comes from Wart's homeworld exists (the Shy Guys, and in effect the world of Subcon itself), but Wart himself doesn't?
The characters in Super Mario Bros. 2 are all canon, they became canon the instant they appeared together with the Mario characters.
So the race that comes from Wart's homeworld exists (the Shy Guys, and in effect the world of Subcon itself), but Wart himself doesn't?
Fine, let me rephrase that:
Nintendo chooses to ignore their existence, similar to the Koopa Kids, in favor of more contemporary villains, such as Petey Piranha, Bowser Jr., and Goomboss.
And people only bring up Tatanga because he's so obscure, similar to Wanda or Foreman Spike.
Looneytunes
09-02-2008, 09:26 PM
This isn't some abstract Pollick painting you guys, it's Nintendo.
Wario was a gimicky antagonist in a Gameboy Game, he became popular amongst the fanbase, and when they introduced the concept of dopplegangers in the Mario universe, they ran with the concept.
I only complain about the lack of Woshi, Pwincess Peach, Wonky Kong, Widdy Kong, King Wowzer, Woopa Troopa, Woad, King Woo (the ghost), and so on.
I'd find the concept of a bizarro world of opposite versions of the entire Nintendo lineup hilarious, if fully executed.
Who the hey are Woshi, Pwincess Peach, Wonky Kong, Widdy Kong, King Wowzer, Woopa Troopa, Woad, and King Woo (the ghost)? Even, if they are canonical characters, I never heard about them.
Looneytunes/Disneytoons
Tanooki
09-02-2008, 10:11 PM
Who the hey are Woshi, Pwincess Peach, Wonky Kong, Widdy Kong, King Wowzer, Woopa Troopa, Woad, and King Woo (the ghost)? Even, if they are canonical characters, I never heard about them.
Looneytunes/Disneytoonsthey don't exist. he was simply saying since nintendo did a bizarro take on mario and luigi, why not go all out and do it with all the other characters too
Harlan_Phoenix
09-02-2008, 10:33 PM
Fine, let me rephrase that:
Nintendo chooses to ignore their existence, similar to the Koopa Kids, in favor of more contemporary villains, such as Petey Piranha, Bowser Jr., and Goomboss.
And people only bring up Tatanga because he's so obscure, similar to Wanda or Foreman Spike.
Just because they're ignored in the current games doesn't mean they aren't canon, though. There's just no reason to bring them up.
Mavericker
09-02-2008, 11:17 PM
they don't exist. he was simply saying since nintendo did a bizarro take on mario and luigi, why not go all out and do it with all the other characters too
It could work if they have enough Japanese adjectives for evil and bad to combine with their names. :D
Master Moron
09-04-2008, 12:56 AM
Fine, let me rephrase that:
Nintendo chooses to ignore their existence, similar to the Koopa Kids, in favor of more contemporary villains, such as Petey Piranha, Bowser Jr., and Goomboss.
And people only bring up Tatanga because he's so obscure, similar to Wanda or Foreman Spike.
Okay, I'll assume Foreman Spike was from Wrecking Crew, but who the hell is Wanda?
Mavericker
09-04-2008, 06:21 PM
Okay, I'll assume Foreman Spike was from Wrecking Crew, but who the hell is Wanda?
Yes Foreman Spike is from Wrecking Crew:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreman_Spike#Foreman_Spike
Wanda was a character in a game called Mario and Wario:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_and_Wario
I wonder why they don't even feature Waluigi in any of the new ads for Mario spin-off titles? They used to in the early ads for Mario Party.
Fine, let me rephrase that:
Nintendo chooses to ignore their existence, similar to the Koopa Kids, in favor of more contemporary villains, such as Petey Piranha, Bowser Jr., and Goomboss.
And people only bring up Tatanga because he's so obscure, similar to Wanda or Foreman Spike.
That would explain why Wario and Waluigi function as Bowser's lackeys in the spin-off games.
Tanooki
09-04-2008, 07:02 PM
That would explain why Wario and Waluigi function as Bowser's lackeys in the spin-off games.again i ask, what game is that?
Mavericker
09-04-2008, 07:12 PM
again i ask, what game is that?
It's in the opening cinematics for the Mario Tennis and Mario Golf games.
Tanooki
09-04-2008, 07:52 PM
It's in the opening cinematics for the Mario Tennis and Mario Golf games.they didn't come off as bowser's underlings to me
Mavericker
09-04-2008, 09:10 PM
they didn't come off as bowser's underlings to me
Not underlings-more like henchmen or partners with Bowser.
Tanooki
09-04-2008, 09:13 PM
Not underlings-more like henchmen or partners with Bowser.they didn't come off as that either. and, just so you know, "henchmen" is another word for "underling" which is another word for "lackey"
Mavericker
09-04-2008, 09:21 PM
they didn't come off as that either. and, just so you know, "henchmen" is another word for "underling" which is another word for "lackey"
Why did Wario and Waluigi work with Bowser?
Why did Wario and Waluigi work with Bowser?They never did. Heck, in Mario Party DS, Wario and Waluigi are among the good guys.
Tanooki
09-04-2008, 10:29 PM
Why did Wario and Waluigi work with Bowser?who says they did? can't wario and waluigi be on their own? do they have to be involved with bowser in some fashion? also, who cares?
Mavericker
09-04-2008, 10:38 PM
who says they did? can't wario and waluigi be on their own? do they have to be involved with bowser in some fashion? also, who cares?
Ahem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvGd5eZip2U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67v_acuItVs
Tanooki
09-04-2008, 10:43 PM
Ahem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvGd5eZip2U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67v_acuItVsfirst video... ok. maybe they partnered up for the gamecube tennis game. never played it
second video proves absolutely nothing
also, you just answered your own question which was this...
Why did Wario and Waluigi work with Bowser?answer is "to win at tennis"
Mavericker
09-04-2008, 11:20 PM
first video... ok. maybe they partnered up for the gamecube tennis game. never played it
second video proves absolutely nothing
also, you just answered your own question which was this...
answer is "to win at tennis"
I was referring to the Wario Bros. partnering with Bowser in the golf and tennis games.
Wario and Waluigi were running away from Bowser in the Golf movie which implies they had some kind of deal going.
Wario and Waluigi were running away from Bowser in the Golf movie which implies they had some kind of deal going.Ehhh... Wario hit a ball that hit Bowser in the eye. Bowser got mad and went after the Wario Bros. That's it.
Wario and Waluigi aren't even bad guys. They're just greedy and really only work for themselves.
Light Lucario
09-05-2008, 02:33 AM
Wario and Waluigi aren't even bad guys. They're just greedy and really only work for themselves.
I can see that. I never really saw Wario and Waluigi as bad guys and I don't know how they really could be seen as henchmen for Bowser. I always thought that they were just the opposite personalities of Mario and Luigi. Nothing more and nothing less.
Mavericker
09-05-2008, 04:23 AM
I can see that. I never really saw Wario and Waluigi as bad guys and I don't know how they really could be seen as henchmen for Bowser. I always thought that they were just the opposite personalities of Mario and Luigi. Nothing more and nothing less.
They are anti-heroes.
Tanooki
09-05-2008, 06:06 AM
No-the Tennis game is the one from Gamecube.
I was referring to the Wario Bros. partnering with Bowser in the golf and tennis games.
Wario and Waluigi were running away from Bowser in the Golf movie which implies they had some kind of deal going.i'll admit it. i have no idea how to debate with you. you win, but only because i'm giving up since you make no sense
Mavericker
09-05-2008, 08:40 PM
i'll admit it. i have no idea how to debate with you. you win, but only because i'm giving up since you make no sense
I am hoping Waluigi will have more prominent roles in future games and he will appear in some kind of platform title.
Light Lucario
09-05-2008, 11:01 PM
They are anti-heroes.
That's basically what I was saying. I don't understand why you were saying that they were villains and now saying that they're anti-heroes.
I am hoping Waluigi will have more prominent roles in future games and he will appear in some kind of platform title.
I'm surprised that you got that out of Falcon's quote.
Mavericker
09-05-2008, 11:23 PM
That's basically what I was saying. I don't understand why you were saying that they were villains and now saying that they're anti-heroes.
I'm surprised that you got that out of Falcon's quote.
Wario and Waluigi serve both roles-villains and anti-heroes.
Daxdiv
09-05-2008, 11:33 PM
But what about the times you control Wario in games like Wario Land, or the upcoming Wario Land Shake game.
Tanooki
09-05-2008, 11:37 PM
first video... ok. maybe they partnered up for the gamecube tennis game. never played it
No-the Tennis game is the one from Gamecube.so not only do you repeat everything you say, adding no further intellect to a topic, but you're starting to repeat others as well
outstanding
Mavericker
09-05-2008, 11:40 PM
But what about the times you control Wario in games like Wario Land, or the upcoming Wario Land Shake game.
He's an antihero-he's interested in money.
I think Waluigi should be made second-player in those games.
Waluigi wants global domination-Wario wants wealth and riches.
They should make a game in which Wario puts a castle on Waluigi's Island as their base of operations, and they concoct a plan to achieve both.
so not only do you repeat everything you say, adding no further intellect to a topic, but you're starting to repeat others as well
outstanding
I wasn't aware I repeated myself-thank you-I just edited that post.
Mavericker
09-07-2008, 01:28 AM
It was interesting that in the Super Mario Bros. Super Show they had two characters that resembled Wario and Waluigi, long before they existed in the games:
http://themushroomkingdom.net/mailbag_050130.shtml
veemonjosh
09-07-2008, 02:28 AM
It was interesting that in the Super Mario Bros. Super Show they had two characters that resembled Wario and Waluigi, long before they existed in the games:
http://themushroomkingdom.net/mailbag_050130.shtml
The irony here is that's the same exact mailbag that I got a question answered in (it's the one signed by "Josh M").
Surprised that portion of my life has caught up to me....
Mavericker
09-12-2008, 08:32 PM
The irony here is that's the same exact mailbag that I got a question answered in (it's the one signed by "Josh M").
Surprised that portion of my life has caught up to me....
Wow-we've got a celeb in our mists. :D
I had questions I posted about Waluigi here in the Waluigi FAQ:
http://plateoshrimp.livejournal.com/2161.html
If the Marios are twins, shouldn't Wario and Waluigi be twins also?
What should Nintendo do to make Waluigi more of a fleshed-out character?
Silverstar
09-12-2008, 11:16 PM
If the Marios are twins, shouldn't Wario and Waluigi be twins also?
The Marios aren't twins; Mario is Luigi's older brother.
And even if they were (which they aren't), why would that mean that Wario and Waluigi would or should be the same thing?
Darklordavaitor
09-12-2008, 11:49 PM
The Marios aren't twins; Mario is Luigi's older brother.
And father and son.
Don't forget, "he's been my mother my whole life", too.;)
Mavericker
09-12-2008, 11:55 PM
The Marios aren't twins; Mario is Luigi's older brother.
And even if they were (which they aren't), why would that mean that Wario and Waluigi would or should be the same thing?
Wikipedia says:
In many games and game manuals, Luigi is said to be the younger of the Mario brothers. In Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, and more recently in Super Paper Mario, he refers to Mario as "big brother". However, in Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Mario_World_2:_Yoshi%27s_Island), it is stated that he is Mario's twin. It includes a scene where the infant brothers are delivered by the stork (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stork) to their parents. From this scene, it is possible to infer that Luigi is really the youngest of the brothers, as Mario is the first to emerge from his sling. This is backed up by the European (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe) version of the port, which has selectable languages, all of which use a term meaning "twins" or "twin brothers". The Official European Mario Megastar website states Luigi is a slightly younger twin in his profile, while numerous Japanese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_language) sources state that Mario and Luigi are twins. Also, for the first time in North America since the original release of Yoshi's Island, Super Paper Mario (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Paper_Mario) recently implies that they may be twins (Luvbi refers to Mario and Luigi as twins despite Luigi calling Mario "big bro" on more than one occasion, though in Japan, it is not uncommon for the second born twin to refer to the first one born as onii-san/onee-san [older brother/sister]). Another Nintendo source in the form of Super Smash Bros. Brawl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Smash_Bros._Brawl) has a trophy of Luigi that states Luigi to be, "Mario's younger twin brother."[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi#cite_note-5) However, Solid Snake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_Snake)'s Codec conversation, as well as the Paper Luigi trophy, both state that Luigi is the younger brother, with Colonel Roy Campbell even calling Luigi a "kid brother." Despite the contradictory sources, Mario acts like a traditional older brother towards Luigi.
Waluigi is the same age as Luigi, and Wario and Mario are the same age. So Wario and Waluigi, presuming they are brothers, must be twins.
DarthGonzo
09-13-2008, 01:03 AM
Wikipedia says...
Why do you keep using Wikipedia as a reference when people are constantly telling you that you should take everything you read on that site with a grain of salt because anyone can edit it? I could go there right now and say that Peach is actually Luigi's adoptive mother. It's that easy.
The Marios aren't twins; Mario is Luigi's older brother.Wait, what? Mario and Luigi are twins. This is confirmed in Yoshi's Island. I extremely doubt people even debate this.
Mavericker is also right that Luigi's Brawl trophy depicts him as "Mario's Younger Twin Brother", which really should clear any room for doubt. Mario is clearly seen as the older of the twins (and he more than likely is) but Mario and Luigi being twins is pretty much an established fact.
I agree though, that that doesn't mean that Wario and Waluigi are twins. Heck, Nintendo hasn't confirmed that they're even related. In Waluigi's Brawl trophy, it is stated that "His relationship to Wario is a mystery".
DarthGonzo
09-13-2008, 09:00 AM
Mavericker is also right that Luigi's Brawl trophy depicts him as "Mario's Younger Twin Brother", which really should clear any room for doubt. Mario is clearly seen as the older of the twins (and he more than likely is) but Mario and Luigi being twins is pretty much an established fact.
Of course if Mario and Luigi are indeed twins, Mario can only be older than Luigi by a couple of minutes.
Why do you keep using Wikipedia as a reference when people are constantly telling you that you should take everything you read on that site with a grain of salt because anyone can edit it? I could go there right now and say that Peach is actually Luigi's adoptive mother. It's that easy.
It gives very clear sources in the paragraph.
Silverstar
09-13-2008, 12:42 PM
^I stand corrected.
Okay, Mario and Luigi are indeed twins; I was mistaken on that. Though Mario is technically still the older brother.
However, that still doesn't explain why the same should apply to Wario and Waliuigi. There's no clear indication of what, if any, relationship Wario has with Mario, let alone what his relationship with Waluigi is.
Mavericker
09-13-2008, 02:47 PM
Wait, what? Mario and Luigi are twins. This is confirmed in Yoshi's Island. I extremely doubt people even debate this.
Mavericker is also right that Luigi's Brawl trophy depicts him as "Mario's Younger Twin Brother", which really should clear any room for doubt. Mario is clearly seen as the older of the twins (and he more than likely is) but Mario and Luigi being twins is pretty much an established fact.
I agree though, that that doesn't mean that Wario and Waluigi are twins. Heck, Nintendo hasn't confirmed that they're even related. In Waluigi's Brawl trophy, it is stated that "His relationship to Wario is a mystery".
True, but Wario's Warehouse says they are brothers.
Jophess
09-14-2008, 05:08 AM
I don't believe Wario and Waluigi are brothers. Though, no where have I seen have they positively confirmed this fact. They need to make a canon Wario and Waluigi game with a backstory, stat!
I've always despised Waluigi, there never seemed to be any solid reason for his existence. I was always outspoken about my dislike for him. That was, until, I played Mario Part 8, where he became all of a sudden became all kinds of AWESOME in my eyes! I don't now how it happened, it just did. Thats when I noticed he was kinda cute. Wario's not that bad looking either, now that I mention it. It must be all that fan art. ;)
Now that I think of it, if Wario is the opposite of Mario, shouldn't he be skinny? Therefore, shouldn't Waluigi be fat?
kenjisalk
09-14-2008, 10:17 AM
I always assumed Waluigi and Wario were dopplegangers from the world in Mario Land 2. Which means, they're just parallel universe versions of the Mario Brothers, and they don't have to be complete opposites in every way, just because they're "bizarro".
They should do a DS game that goes more into detail in how the world from ML2 relates to the Mario universe. Show us some motivation for Waluigi, since we already understand Wario's greed-based motives.
Mavericker
09-14-2008, 10:45 AM
I always assumed Waluigi and Wario were dopplegangers from the world in Mario Land 2. Which means, they're just parallel universe versions of the Mario Brothers, and they don't have to be complete opposites in every way, just because they're "bizarro".
They should do a DS game that goes more into detail in how the world from ML2 relates to the Mario universe. Show us some motivation for Waluigi, since we already understand Wario's greed-based motives.
Waluigi wants global domination.
Silverstar
09-14-2008, 10:58 AM
Now that I think of it, if Wario is the opposite of Mario, shouldn't he be skinny? Therefore, shouldn't Waluigi be fat?
The "bad" Mario characters possess the same physical characteristics of their "good" counterparts, only exaggerated to ludicrous degrees. Mario is short and fat, so Wario is really short and really fat, and in the same vein, Waluigi is really tall and really skinny, even more so than Luigi.
DarthGonzo
09-14-2008, 11:15 AM
The "bad" Mario characters possess the same physical characteristics of their "good" counterparts, only exaggerated to ludicrous degrees. Mario is short and fat, so Wario is really short and really fat, and in the same vein, Waluigi is really tall and really skinny, even more so than Luigi.
Exactly. Wario isn't an opposite version of Mario as much as he's an evil double version. Same with Luigi and Waluigi.
warnerbroman
09-14-2008, 04:10 PM
it nat that hard to say "Γuigi"
"Γuigi!"I said it again
Mavericker
09-14-2008, 04:22 PM
it nat that hard to say "Γuigi"
"Γuigi!"I said it again
How do you pronounce it?
Why did they decide to give Wario short sleeves as opposed to letting him keep his long-sleeved shirt? To try to differentiate him from Mario?
Tanooki
09-14-2008, 04:48 PM
it is my belief we have milked this thread for everything it has if we are going to start boiling down to discussion on clothing characteristics
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