6 Stupid Superhero Movie Recasts [Archive]

Antiyonder

08-29-2008, 03:50 AM

6. Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane (following Margot Kidder)
Agreed. She just doesn't look or sound tough.

5. Donatello sans Corey Feldman's voice
Sounded pretty decent to me.

4. Liv Tyler as Betty Ross (following Jennifer Connelly)
I'm neutral on this one. She wasn't better or worse.

3. George Clooney as Batman (following Michael Keaton and Val Kilmer)

True, but his Bruce Wayne was credible.

2. Brandon Lee dies, yet the Crow lives

1. Halle Berry as Catwoman (following Michelle Pfeiffer)

Can't comment on either.

Michael24

08-29-2008, 03:50 AM

1. Halle Berry as Catwoman (following Michelle Pfeiffer)

I'd give them that one (though maybe not at #1) if Berry had been playing Selina Kyle. But Catwoman was so far removed from the source material that I feel it doesn't even counts. (Though I didn't think it was as bad as people said.)

Movie06

08-29-2008, 03:54 AM

I'm surprised that they didn't mention Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face.

Bat Bruce

08-29-2008, 06:30 AM

Truth be told I preferred the recast Donatello. He sounded more intellectual (if that makes sense:p )

Antiyonder

08-29-2008, 06:38 AM

Truth be told I preferred the recast Donatello. He sounded more intellectual (if that makes sense:p )

Makes sense to me.

EinBebop

08-29-2008, 07:46 AM

I'm surprised that they didn't mention Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face.Tommy Lee wasn't bad, his part was. His character had no purpose for being in that movie other than selling a few more toys. I'm sure he could have played a more intense two-face if given a script that allowed for it, but you can only do so much when you're Jim Carrey's lackey.

Spideyzilla

08-29-2008, 08:20 AM

I thought Liv Tyler was good. You never mentioned Govenor Arnold as Mr. Freeze.

JRP82190

08-29-2008, 08:58 AM

The 7 Most Pathetic Supervillians in Cinematic History (http://www.omglists.com/article/83473/the-7-most-pathetic-supervillians-in-cinematic-history/)
Iron monger and bullseye weren't bad super villains they shouldn't be on that list

Shawn Hopkins

08-29-2008, 09:27 AM

http://www.omglists.com/article/87233/6-stupid-superhero-movie-recasts/

6. Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane (following Margot Kidder)

5. Donatello sans Corey Feldman's voice

4. Liv Tyler as Betty Ross (following Jennifer Connelly)

3. George Clooney as Batman (following Michael Keaton and Val Kilmer)

2. Brandon Lee dies, yet the Crow lives

1. Halle Berry as Catwoman (following Michelle Pfeiffer)

Well, let's be honest, most of these were unavoidable. You can't really explain a nearly 60-year-old Lois Lane in Superman Returns, so having her in there is no worse than having Brandon Routh Clark Kent. Heck, both Routh and Bosworth were pretty bad in their roles, but it was a bad movie anyway.

The Betty part has not been a very rewarding one for either actress, but I thought Liv Tyler brought a little more sass to it. It may have just been by virtue of being in a slightly better movie.

They had to recast the Crow. It's like people who complain about recasting Mrs. Kravitz on Bewitched. What do you want, the part to be played by a rotting corspe?

Clooney might have made a halfway decent Batman, although a more lighthearted, campy one. He did a better job than Kilmer, in my opinion. Unfortunately the movie Clooney was in was terrible on almost all other levels, the script level being the worst.

This wasn't in a movie, but one that I always thought was weird was when they recast Jimmy Olsen after the first season of Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman. Sure, the second actor fit the part better physically, but did they think people wouldn't notice?

hobbyfan

08-29-2008, 10:08 AM

http://www.omglists.com/article/87233/6-stupid-superhero-movie-recasts/

6. Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane (following Margot Kidder)

5. Donatello sans Corey Feldman's voice

4. Liv Tyler as Betty Ross (following Jennifer Connelly)

3. George Clooney as Batman (following Michael Keaton and Val Kilmer)

2. Brandon Lee dies, yet the Crow lives

1. Halle Berry as Catwoman (following Michelle Pfeiffer)

6. No, I don't think so. Kate just misses the cut in my view.
5. Never saw the Turtles movies, so I can't comment.
4. Disagreeing here. Liv nailed Betty perfectly, IMPO.
3. Don't know if George was trying to channel Adam West, but his was the worst screen Batman to date.
2. Only saw the first Crow film.
1. This Catwoman doesn't even count.

My list:

6. Catwoman drops down because it was SO FAR AWAY from the Bat-franchise it wasn't even funny. Making her African-American was another mistake.

5. Alicia Silverstone as Batgirl (Batman & Robin). Sorry, but I think we're all in agreement that Batgirl is supposed to be a redhead (Betty Kane, aka Bat-Girl (note the spelling and the hyphen) was a blonde, but she wasn't the template for this version). Making her Alfred's American niece was another mistake.

4. Kevin Spacey (Lex Luthor in Superman Returns). Sorry, just didn't work for me.

3. Brandon Routh (Superman Returns). They couldn't pay Dean Cain or Tom Welling enough money to make this movie, so they tried recreating the casting formula from 30 years ago by hiring a unknown from "One Life to Live" (Christopher Reeve was a ex-soaper, too) who had all the charisma of a wet noodle.

2. Eric Bana (Hulk, 2003). Speaking of lacking charisma.....!

1. George Clooney as Batman. 'Nuff said.

hobbyfan

08-29-2008, 10:11 AM

The 7 Most Pathetic Supervillians in Cinematic History (http://www.omglists.com/article/83473/the-7-most-pathetic-supervillians-in-cinematic-history/)

Substitute the Iron Monger with "Harvey Two-Face" (Tommy Lee Jones) and Bullseye with what was supposed to be Zzzax (Hulk '03). Take the shark, out, too, and drop the list down to six entries. Whomever wrote the list is a dillweed.

Goodfellow

08-29-2008, 12:55 PM

http://www.omglists.com/article/87233/6-stupid-superhero-movie-recasts/

6. Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane (following Margot Kidder)

5. Donatello sans Corey Feldman's voice

4. Liv Tyler as Betty Ross (following Jennifer Connelly)

3. George Clooney as Batman (following Michael Keaton and Val Kilmer)

2. Brandon Lee dies, yet the Crow lives

1. Halle Berry as Catwoman (following Michelle Pfeiffer)

6. Agreed, but I didn't think Margot was any better.
5. Huh?
4. Actually she was better than Connelly, but it also helps that she was in a better written movie.
3. George Clooney is just a terrible actor all around, so being terrible at Batman was a no brainer.
2. Never seen any of the Crow movies.
1. I've seen worse (Adam West series).

Well, let's be honest, most of these were unavoidable. You can't really explain a nearly 60-year-old Lois Lane in Superman Returns, so having her in there is no worse than having Brandon Routh Clark Kent. Heck, both Routh and Bosworth were pretty bad in their roles, but it was a bad movie anyway.

What are you talking about? Returns may have been subpar, but Routh was a fantastic Superman. He would have really shined had they not been trying to imitate Reeves, who, in all honesty, is not that great of a Superman either. Or rather, his Clark Kent is terrible. He has the look, but not the persona. Of course, Returns was mostly saved by Kevin Spacey, who actually gave us Luthor the way he is supposed to be, not that jokester that Hackman played.

FightingDreamer

08-29-2008, 01:32 PM

What are you talking about? Returns may have been subpar, but Routh was a fantastic Superman. He would have really shined had they not been trying to imitate Reeves, who, in all honesty, is not that great of a Superman either. Or rather, his Clark Kent is terrible. He has the look, but not the persona.

Sorry, have to highly disagree. Reeve had oodles of charisma, charm, and could pull off comedy and action with equal measure. To paraphrase the famous tagline, Reeve made you believe Superman could fly. Routh, on the other hand, is bland and dull. Part of the problem is that, for some reason, he doesn't have terribly many lines throughout the film as either Superman or Clark Kent, and his callbacks to various Reeve lines fall terribly flat. His "charm" feels fake, he looks like a male model (Reeve, in my eyes, actually looked like Superman from the comics)... I could go on. If it came down to being saved from disaster by either of them, I'd go with Reeve in a heartbeat.

To be honest, I still think it would've be interesting to see Nicolas Cage as Superman (if you didn't know already, he was slated to star as the Man of Steel in Tim Burton's ill-fated Superman Lives; I read somewhere that he actually did some costume tests). Cage is not a man for subtlety in many of his films (granted, that's because some of them are bad, and he's doing everything in his power to keep the audience interested), and he doesn't look like Superman at all, but I still think it would've been cool to see his undoubtedly eccentric take on things. It might not have been good, but it would've been more interesting than Routh's blank-slate performance.

Shawn Hopkins

08-29-2008, 01:36 PM

Michael24

08-29-2008, 01:41 PM

I thought Liv Tyler was good. You never mentioned Govenor Arnold as Mr. Freeze.

Mr. Freeze is listed - The 7 Most Pathetic Supervillians in Cinematic History (http://www.omglists.com/article/83473/the-7-most-pathetic-supervillians-in-cinematic-history/)

Tommy Lee wasn't bad, his part was. His character had no purpose for being in that movie other than selling a few more toys. I'm sure he could have played a more intense two-face if given a script that allowed for it, but you can only do so much when you're Jim Carrey's lackey.

I've always thought that, in the right hands, Tommy Lee Jones could have been a great Two-Face. But the script instead decided to treat him probably how he would have been had he ever appeared on the Adam West series.

This wasn't in a movie, but one that I always thought was weird was when they recast Jimmy Olsen after the first season of Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman. Sure, the second actor fit the part better physically, but did they think people wouldn't notice?

Yeah, I never liked Justin Whalin as Jimmy. I preferred Michael Landes much more.

DarkAngel

08-29-2008, 02:50 PM

6. Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane (following Margot Kidder)
Loved Bosworth as Lois and thought she was so much better than Kidder. Though I'll add that the Donner cut of Superman II put Margot's Lois in a totally different light for me and I found myself liking her for the first time.

4. Liv Tyler as Betty Ross (following Jennifer Connelly)
Didn't see the recent Hulk, but Liv did seem a poor replacement. The trailer/tv spots seemed to highlight that.

3. George Clooney as Batman (following Michael Keaton and Val Kilmer)
Yeah, agreed. Seemed the worst by far among the Bat actors.

1. Halle Berry as Catwoman (following Michelle Pfeiffer)
That's one movie I'll never watch. Can't comprehend what they were thinking there. For a time, I'd gotten attached to the idea of Ashley Judd stepping into the role.

Wonderwall

08-29-2008, 04:40 PM

Michael24

08-29-2008, 05:08 PM

I liked Reeve as Superman, but I didn't really care for his bumbling Clark Kent. :shrug:

James

08-29-2008, 07:58 PM

6. Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane (following Margot Kidder)

Absolutely. Lois isn't your standard Hollywood bland heroine. You can't pass the role off with a pretty face. There has to be backbone, charm and consistency. Not easy elements to pull off in a female supporting character. Cinema still expects female supports to carry backbone for no more than one act of a movie. They can be strong to start, but their self-assured nature must be diminished soon after. Can't have the girl topping the hero can we? So Lois, a girl who never loses her fire, is a tough cookie. Has to be tough, has to be compassionate and she has to be charismatic. Bosworth was none of them.

4. Liv Tyler as Betty Ross (following Jennifer Connelly)

To my humilation, missed the cinematic release of The Incredible Hulk (the only film I wanted to see this year) thanks to personal issues - but Liv looked okay on the trailer - though I am a fan of Connelly, so I can see a high standard to beat.

3. George Clooney as Batman (following Michael Keaton and Val Kilmer)

I always felt Kilmer was a poor choice. Looked good as Batman, but just too generic for Bruce. Perhaps because Keaton had hit such a stylistic portrayal, anything more straight forward would seem a little bland, even if technically, Kilmer was perhaps closer to the comic. Clooney was just terrible. Just didn't seem like Wayne to me at all. Good Adam West portrayal though.

1. Halle Berry as Catwoman (following Michelle Pfeiffer)

Incredible mistake from so many angles. Nuff said.

Mr. Freeze is listed - The 7 Most Pathetic Supervillians in Cinematic History (http://www.omglists.com/article/83473/the-7-most-pathetic-supervillians-in-cinematic-history/)

I didn't understand this. In context to the film, he was actually quite powerful. Given what he was expected to work with (thank you Warners), I think he did a good job. He was one of the more interesting elements of an otherwise bland cast.

I've always thought that, in the right hands, Tommy Lee Jones could have been a great Two-Face. But the script instead decided to treat him probably how he would have been had he ever appeared on the Adam West series.

Problem was Jones acted him like the Joker and the script played him like the Joker. I have no doubt he could have played him more like Two-Face. You don't have to be the most versatile actor to pull of Two-Face. If you can do good cop/bad cop - which Jones can do - you can do Two Face. Unfortunately the film wanted Joker Mk 2 so that's what Jones delivered. Pity.

Yeah, I never liked Justin Whalin as Jimmy. I preferred Michael Landes much more.[/QUOTE]

TMC1982

08-29-2008, 08:07 PM

6. No, I don't think so. Kate just misses the cut in my view.
5. Never saw the Turtles movies, so I can't comment.
4. Disagreeing here. Liv nailed Betty perfectly, IMPO.
3. Don't know if George was trying to channel Adam West, but his was the worst screen Batman to date.
2. Only saw the first Crow film.
1. This Catwoman doesn't even count.

My list:

6. Catwoman drops down because it was SO FAR AWAY from the Bat-franchise it wasn't even funny. Making her African-American was another mistake.

5. Alicia Silverstone as Batgirl (Batman & Robin). Sorry, but I think we're all in agreement that Batgirl is supposed to be a redhead (Betty Kane, aka Bat-Girl (note the spelling and the hyphen) was a blonde, but she wasn't the template for this version). Making her Alfred's American niece was another mistake.

4. Kevin Spacey (Lex Luthor in Superman Returns). Sorry, just didn't work for me.

3. Brandon Routh (Superman Returns). They couldn't pay Dean Cain or Tom Welling enough money to make this movie, so they tried recreating the casting formula from 30 years ago by hiring a unknown from "One Life to Live" (Christopher Reeve was a ex-soaper, too) who had all the charisma of a wet noodle.

2. Eric Bana (Hulk, 2003). Speaking of lacking charisma.....!

1. George Clooney as Batman. 'Nuff said.

6. Catwoman drops down because it was SO FAR AWAY from the Bat-franchise it wasn't even funny. Making her African-American was another mistake.

Complaining over the fact that Catwoman was protrayed by an African-American actress is really a moot point since Eartha Kitt did the same thing back in the 1960s.

Light Lucario

08-29-2008, 09:47 PM

While I myself have not see Superman Returns, they obviously did have to change the actress for Lois since the original actress wasn't fit for the part anymore. In terms of her ability to fit as Lois, I would blame a bit more of that on the writers and the script than on the actors.

As for Donatello, I thought that the change in the second live-action movie was kind of weird, but it was overall decent. I do agree that it made him sound a bit smarter, which I thought was important for that movie.

Based on what I heard from my Dad and my older brother from after they saw Batman and Robin, I'll have to agree with Clooney as Batman. Most people consider that one of the worst Batman movies. As for the Catwoman movie, yeah, that was bad and pretty wrong in quite a few ways.

Antiyonder

08-29-2008, 10:04 PM

I liked Reeve as Superman, but I didn't really care for his bumbling Clark Kent. :shrug:

Actually, that's one reason why Chris was perfect for the job. To play the main title character isn't as simple as being the strong man. To do so, the actor has to be able to convince the audience that he can be tough in one scene while acting convincingly timid in the next scene.

You can't really explain a nearly 60-year-old Lois Lane in Superman Returns, so having her in there is no worse than having Brandon Routh Clark Kent.

Don't think anyone want Margot Kidder if that's what you meant by the 60 yrs old Lois, but that they wanted someone who could capture the sassy spunky persona she displayed.

I didn't understand this. In context to the film, he was actually quite powerful. Given what he was expected to work with (thank you Warners), I think he did a good job. He was one of the more interesting elements of an otherwise bland cast.

Actually, someone on the talkback for Batman & Robin provided what was the problem for Mr. Freeze. The problem being that they wanted to give the character a comical demeanor, and yet still giving him a serious backstory. You know since he's suppose to be emotionally cold (figuratively anyway). Perhaps the reception would have worked if he didn't have the tragic background involving his condition and wife.

FightingDreamer

08-29-2008, 10:23 PM

defunctzombie

08-29-2008, 10:43 PM

The 7 Most Pathetic Supervillians in Cinematic History (http://www.omglists.com/article/83473/the-7-most-pathetic-supervillians-in-cinematic-history/)
I liked Superman 4... :sad: Nuclear Man was fifty times better than that Marcus and Mack guy.

(If you're not in PA I mean the rich guy)

TMC1982

08-30-2008, 02:38 AM

Regarding Clooney: I think, in theory, he could have been a good Batman. Unfortunately, this movie has one of the most hideous scripts ever written for a Hollywood blockbuster, and Clooney looks helplessly lost throughout the proceedings. Just listen to how awkward his "Hi, Freeze. I'm Batman," is; you can practically hear his brain asking, "What the hell am I doing here, saying these lines? I should be shot for delivering this crap." So, he could've been good if the script had gone through some major rewrites, or perhaps a miracle. But alas, we shall never know.

George Clooney didn't really help his cause credibility wise when during the press junket for "Batman & Robin", he pretty much devalued the signficance of Batman/Bruce Wayne's brooding psyche (stemming from the murder of his parents). If you've seen the special edition DVD, then you'll know what I'm talking about. Clooney during the interview said something along the lines that by the fourth movie in the series, Batman shouldn't continue to wallow in self-pity saying "woe me, my parents are dead!" He's rationale is that since Bruce Wayne is a wealthy man, with a playboy lifestyle (at least to th open public's eyes), all of this great gadgets and vehicles, he should be enjoying his life. That to me, right there gave me the indication that George Clooney didn't fully understand what drives Bruce Wayne to be Batman (his endless desire to punish crime, so that nobody will have to suffer the same fates that his parents suffered) in the first place. There's more complexity to Batman beyond the deputized boy scout that Adam West portrayed in the 1960s.

James

08-30-2008, 05:11 AM

Don't think anyone want Margot Kidder if that's what you meant by the 60 yrs old Lois, but that they wanted someone who could capture the sassy spunky persona she displayed.

It's a shame Karen Allen suffers from the whole age thing, given she too came from the age of spunky heroines - she would have been a great Lois.

Actually, someone on the talkback for Batman & Robin provided what was the problem for Mr. Freeze. The problem being that they wanted to give the character a comical demeanor, and yet still giving him a serious backstory. You know since he's suppose to be emotionally cold (figuratively anyway). Perhaps the reception would have worked if he didn't have the tragic background involving his condition and wife.

It boils down to the whole decline of the Batman franchise - consistency. Once you start with a dark fairy tale like Burtons, you can't slip into Adam West and expect the audience to understand. It also creates a dilemma for the characters (as you say), where they are being built from the same fairy tale tragedy but played for gags, leaving a film seriously lacking identity.

While I myself have not see Superman Returns, they obviously did have to change the actress for Lois since the original actress wasn't fit for the part anymore. In terms of her ability to fit as Lois, I would blame a bit more of that on the writers and the script than on the actors.

Well it depends how far you go. I agree that the production has its large share of blame, but you can see in films time and time again how a good actor can bring real charm to a badly written role. You only have to watch a few screentests (or watch a Star Wars film and spot the actors that can pull off bad actors and those who can't) to realise that a good actor can enrich a bad character. I don't think Bosworth had the range or presence to really make the most of a bad situation - so I'm afraid I do believe Kate was a major issue. But yes, let's not forget the writer/director and studio.

DareDevil

08-30-2008, 05:10 PM

JRP82190

08-30-2008, 05:50 PM

1. Christian Bale as Bruce Wayne/Batman (Following Michael Keaton. I don't consider the others at all.)
Dude I know you don't like Begins or Dark knight but Really worse? Acually made me kinda of angry reading this any reason out side of his voice? cause i read your other post were you said you didn't like it

hobbyfan

08-30-2008, 06:24 PM

Complaining over the fact that Catwoman was protrayed by an African-American actress is really a moot point since Eartha Kitt did the same thing back in the 1960s.

I have never understood why Eartha was cast in the first place. I've never read anything that explained why. Back then, they didn't care who wore the black suit.

hobbyfan

08-30-2008, 06:28 PM

1. Christian Bale as Bruce Wayne/Batman (Following Michael Keaton. I don't consider the others at all.)

2. Halle Berry as Catwoman

3. Kirk Jones as Blade (though it was a TV series, it was after Blade: Trinity.)

4. Every actor after Brandon Lee as The Crow (Edward Furlong... Seriously?)

5. Jim Carrey as The Riddler (I just prefer he not be a Joker ripoff.)

6. Tom Jane as Frank Castle/The Punisher (Following Dolph Lundgren, who I thought nailed both Frank Castle and The Punisher respectively.)

1. Seriously, dude, what planet are you from? Bale has owned Batman.
2. See my comments.
3. Didn't see the TV show all that much.
4. Only saw that first film.
5. Carrey tried to be Frank Gorshin after a trip to the fountain of youth, but the red hair-----:ack: :eek: !!!
6. Didn't see the Lundgren version. Jane was fine, but the part's been recast again, with the upcoming War Zone.

You really need to get out more.

Michael24

08-30-2008, 06:34 PM

Not everybody has to like Bale. I don't particularly care for him much in the role, either, though I liked him a little more in The Dark Knight than in Batman Begins.

I have never understood why Eartha was cast in the first place. I've never read anything that explained why. Back then, they didn't care who wore the black suit.

I personally think Earth Kitt should be on this list. I never cared for her as Catwoman and would definitely say she's my least favorite to have played the role. I know everyone loves Julie Newmar, but my favorite Catwoman was Lee Meriwether. :nurse: :D

JRP82190

08-30-2008, 07:31 PM

Not everybody has to like Bale. I don't particularly care for him much in the role, either, though I liked him a little more in The Dark Knight than in Batman Begins.
Its not that he doesn't like him its that he would rate him as the worst when there are the likes of west clooney and to some extent kilmer who are considered some of the worst to have ever donned the cape and cowl

Light Lucario

08-30-2008, 08:00 PM

Well it depends how far you go. I agree that the production has its large share of blame, but you can see in films time and time again how a good actor can bring real charm to a badly written role. You only have to watch a few screentests (or watch a Star Wars film and spot the actors that can pull off bad actors and those who can't) to realise that a good actor can enrich a bad character. I don't think Bosworth had the range or presence to really make the most of a bad situation - so I'm afraid I do believe Kate was a major issue. But yes, let's not forget the writer/director and studio.

That's a good point. I have seen a couple of movies where actors can pull off some good acting, despite the bad material in the movie itself. Actors that are talented enough can make a badly written character better; that would depend on their skills and training of course. Like you, I still see the writers and directors as sharing the blame with the actors, but I guess that sometimes actors can pull off good acting with bad material.

Jacob T. Paschal

08-30-2008, 08:30 PM

I've never been a fan of the Christopher Reeve worship and I've seen his films as Superman, I don't believe he can fly and the writing of Clark Kent is simply irratating for we to see.

DareDevil

08-30-2008, 08:33 PM

Dude I know you don't like Begins or Dark knight but Really worse? Acually made me kinda of angry reading this any reason out side of his voice? cause i read your other post were you said you didn't like it

This is the 6 "Stupid" movie recasts, not the worst. If it was the worst it would definitely be Clooney.

1. Seriously, dude, what planet are you from? Bale has owned Batman.
Oh yes, he "owned" him so hard his Bruce Wayne isn't anything like Bruce Wayne at all... Or Batman for that matter. And I'm from the planet who likes a Batman who can actually make his own weaponry, suits and supe up vehicles - not "borrow" them from Wayne Enterprises. When Bale's Batman doesn't need Fox to make his stuff for him, let me know.

Its not that he doesn't like him its that he would rate him as the worst when there are the likes of west clooney and to some extent kilmer who are considered some of the worst to have ever donned the cape and cowl

Again, not the worst - the stupidest. And yes, I do rate Bale low for my reasons stated above. His Bruce Wayne is pretty much an idiot, his Batman is seemingly invincible and a total hypocrite - saying he doesn't kill, yet he killed Ra's and Dent. In relation to being invincible, Batman saved Dawes in TDK by falling from at least 60 ft. high and landing on a car with no injuries whatsoever - even though the suit was much lighter; but not seemingly dog proof.

JRP82190

08-30-2008, 09:11 PM

Again, not the worst - the stupidest. And yes, I do rate Bale low for my reasons stated above. His Bruce Wayne is pretty much an idiot, his Batman is seemingly invincible and a total hypocrite - saying he doesn't kill, yet he killed Ra's and Dent. In relation to being invincible, Batman saved Dawes in TDK by falling from at least 60 ft. high and landing on a car with no injuries whatsoever - even though the suit was much lighter; but not seemingly dog proof.
He acts like an idiot so that no one realizes that he's Batman It doesn't take a genius to see that some one like Batman would need to have alot of money to finance what he does. Batman started appearing not long after Bruce came back so it wouldn't really be hard to see a connection BTW. the two. I thought it was made clear that he didn't kill Ra just didn't save him and he didn't try to kill dent he was trying to save Gorden's son and I thought he was still wearing the old suit when he made to jump to save Rachel

Jacob T. Paschal

08-30-2008, 09:40 PM

Did not Bruce slow down his descent, though? Besides, I'm sure he'd just ignore any pain he was suffering through. If he can fight when stonned, he can ignore pain.

DareDevil

08-30-2008, 09:43 PM

He acts like an idiot so that no one realizes that he's BatmanI don't mean like that. I mean, in the sense that he basically takes what WE has and repaints it, or has WE provide him with his own stuff that he basically can't make for some reason. Like, what's he going to do if Fox dies? No one will be there to make his serums or chemicals for him. Bruce should be smart enough, like in the comics, to make this stuff himself. People say Nolan's films are very close to the comics and this proves they aren't at all.

I thought it was made clear that he didn't kill Ra just didn't save him and he didn't try to kill dent he was trying to save Gorden's sonIsn't "not saving him" the same as killing? Yes, indeed it is. He didn't brutally maim him, but yes he did kill him.

Ra's - That's just the spin Nolan put on it so it didn't seem like he killed Ra's, but obviously he did kill him intentionally. It was right there. Nolan can spin it and have Batman say whatever he wants but the fact is he killed Ra's after vowing "never to kill." Dent - He clearly killed Harvey when he tackled him off the edge. I mean, how can you not intentionally kill someone by tackling them off the edge? I mean, what do you expect? Maybe it's just me but I find Nolan to be a bad director for these films. =/

Did not Bruce slow down his descent, though? Besides, I'm sure he'd just ignore any pain he was suffering through. If he can fight when stonned, he can ignore pain.

If someone clearly falls from a 60 ft. height and lands on a car, how are you going to ignore that? There's no way at all. Lol, nice try though.

EinBebop

08-30-2008, 09:46 PM

Bruce should be smart enough, like in the comics, to make this stuff himself. Is Bruce smart enough to delegate tasks that he is capable of doing himself to people who might do the job better so that he has more time in the field?

At any rate, we seem to have drifted into a debate of the characters themselves, away from the casting.

Jacob T. Paschal

08-30-2008, 09:52 PM

Lol, nice try though.

This isn't an attempt to mock me, is it?

Honestly, it's a comic film I don't 100% realism, in fact I don't expect 100% from any film.

As for his 'intelligence', why waste his when he's got allies willing to help him? I thought Batman wasn't a [hardcore] loner.

DareDevil

08-30-2008, 09:53 PM

Is Bruce smart enough to delegate tasks that he is capable of doing himself to people who might do the job better so that he has more time in the field?I'm all for them helping him, I welcome that in fact. But that isn't what happened in either film. He didn't have his own equipment, he had to take it from WE and put it to some sort of use. This isn't Batman, it's some rich nut parading around in a batsuit. That's what I see.

Honestly, it's a comic film I don't 100% realism, in fact I don't expect 100% from any film.

As for his 'intelligence', why waste his when he's got allies willing to help him? I thought Batman wasn't a [hardcore] loner.

Batman Begins and TDK clearly weren't comic films IMO. If they were, I would have had fun watching them. As I've said before, Nolan goes for the realism and cancels out the fun. It was CSI Batman. "Willing" to help him? More like "having" to help him because this Bruce isn't a genius at all.

Anyway, yes, we've seem to have been knocked off topic here. Partially my fault, so with that I apologize. Anywho, moving on... :p

Master Moron

08-31-2008, 04:25 PM

Isn't "not saving him" the same as killing?

No, it's not. One has no legal obligation to save another's life.

Dent - He clearly killed Harvey when he tackled him off the edge. I mean, how can you not intentionally kill someone by tackling them off the edge? I mean, what do you expect? Maybe it's just me but I find Nolan to be a bad director for these films. =/

Defense of others is a defense against murder.

Goodfellow

08-31-2008, 05:20 PM

That's just blasphemy to me, if Chris REEVE, isn't a near perfect Superman, no one is.

I thought I said it was more of a his Clark that ruined him. Sorry, but if you cannot play both parts to a T, you shouldn't be playing the character at all. Keaton was a terrible Bruce but a good Batman, and Kilmer was a great Bruce but an average Batman, so neither one of them are fantastic in my eyes. Bale, on the other hand, has both parts down tight.

DareDevil

08-31-2008, 06:12 PM

Keaton was a terrible BruceNot so. But to each his own, I suppose.

I thought I said it was more of a his Clark that ruined him.Playing both Clark Kent and Superman can be pretty tough. IMO, Reeve did great with both and played the roles of both Kent and Kal-El flawlessly. Kent, in a way, is a bumbling and clumsy individual which makes Reeve's performance that much greater. To me, Reeve was the definitive Superman and Clark Kent down "to a T" as you put it. No one else has yet to show me a great Kent/Superman thus far. I would say Routh, but all he did was re-use lines and modernized scenes from the '78 film.

EinBebop

08-31-2008, 08:05 PM

Kent, in a way, is a bumbling and clumsy individual which makes Reeve's performance that much greater.True to an extent. I actually think the Reeve portrayal was a little over-the-top, but that was what the script and director called for. He's not a Clark Kent for our generation; I kind of think he wasn't even a Clark Kent for 1978. And it's to Reeve's credit that he managed to keep the character as scripted just real enough to make him work.

James

08-31-2008, 09:41 PM

True to an extent. I actually think the Reeve portrayal was a little over-the-top, but that was what the script and director called for. He's not a Clark Kent for our generation; I kind of think he wasn't even a Clark Kent for 1978. And it's to Reeve's credit that he managed to keep the character as scripted just real enough to make him work.

I always felt it was less generation based but common sense - particularly to a mainstream audience.

Let's face it, certain elements of comics don't carry the same casual acceptance as on a page. One of which has been the glasses as Clark's crafty disguise.

I think common sense demanded that Clark was made distinctly different to validate the poor disguise. And I think it worked - Clark was very different to Superman and to some part made his ridiculous identity issues seem a little more believable. I think it also helped create a distinction within the characters - and for me it was more interesting having Clark as the persona and Superman as the true American kid from Kansas.

I guess as we've moved on we don't need to validate such silly issues - we let them slip into the world of pop culture gags and let it ride. Though I must admit, I found Reeve's version far more believable - and interesting - compared to Cain's, which really had no distinction whatsoever between Clark and Superman (so they handled the identity issue tongue in cheek - to the show's benefit).

KCJ506

09-02-2008, 12:07 PM

I think Bosworth was a total miscast. She looked and was too young to be playing Lois Lane. She was only 23 when it came out and how old was Jason supposed to be? 5-6?

username

10-05-2008, 02:13 AM

I liked Reeve as Superman, but I didn't really care for his bumbling Clark Kent. :shrug:

Me neither. I liked Dean Cain's Clark Kent, but I didn't really care for his Superman. However, because the show focuses on the Clark Kent character and 'superman' probably appears in any given episode for like...5 minutes, I guess I can't fault him.

Mist

10-05-2008, 10:05 AM

Maggie Gylenhall as Rachel in The Dark Knight.

Well, maybe she wasnt THAT bad, but the reasoning for Katie's absence was stupid. In 2005, her husband danced on a couch, and so WB fired her from the sequel. completely idotic reason to fire someone.

Katie Holmes isn't my favorite actress, but I thought she did a very nice job in Begins. It irritated me to see Maggie in the role. She was so bland and dull. She wasnt "Liv Tyler in Hulk" bad, but still pretty bad. I like uniformity when it comes to movies that have an ongoing storyline. If an actor is recasted by someone else, it kinda breaks the illusion the movie is giving. You watch the movie and go 'who is this lady? This isnt Rachel.'

JRP82190

10-05-2008, 10:35 AM

Well, maybe she wasnt THAT bad, but the reasoning for Katie's absence was stupid. In 2005, her husband danced on a couch, and so WB fired her from the sequel. completely idotic reason to fire someone.
she wasn't fired for that it was scheduling differences she was filming mad money when the dark knight started production

I thought Maggie was one of the better recast she fit in a lot better the Holmes who looked to young for the part in the movie. But to each his own its your opinion anyway

Mist

10-05-2008, 10:45 AM

she wasn't fired for that it was scheduling differences she was filming mad money when the dark knight started production

I thought Maggie was one of the better recast she fit in a lot better the Holmes who looked to young for the part in the movie. But to each his own its your opinion anyway

Actually, in August of 2005, it was on Entertainment Tonight, The Insider and all over the internet that she got fired from any future Batman sequels.

But it is possible that by the time all of the TomKat mania died down she may have been approached to reprise the role.