Most annoying thing of anime fandom (question from ANN)

[garfield15]

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2008-08-15

On this week's "Hey Answerman!" Answerman asked his answerfans this question


What's the one thing about modern anime fandom that annoys you the most

There were two that made me laugh extremely hard
This one


Sydney Durkin[/B]] The thing that annoys me most about the modern anime fandom, in America, at least, is definitely when people claim to be anime fans, but really only like one or two titles. I find this happening most with teenage males, but it seems to be a plague that spreads every time I turn around. I, thankfully, have done my small part in being able to convert some of my, "I-love-anime-but-really-only-watch-Naruto/Bleach" friends into reading some other publicly likeable titles to slightly broaden their horizons, but there's only so much one person can do. In fact, it has gotten so bad, I was once conversing with a peer, and we got on the subject of anime. Our conversation, in a slightly fragmented state, went something like this.
"Do you like any anime?" I asked him casually.
"Yes, I do," he replied, suddenly excited. "I'm a huge Naruto fan! It's so awesome! Kakashi is so my favorite character, he-"
"Woah, woah, back up. I never said I watched the show."
"You don't?"
"Err, no, I watch other anime."
"There's other anime besides Naruto?"
Now that made me want to punch a wall, or better yet, knock some sense into him. I have no problem with mainstream titles, but their popularity, and the American anime producers' neglecting of other titles, has gotten out of hand. Everywhere I look I see Naruto posters and Bleach T-shirts. Society is feeding the syndrome, and the public is lapping it up like stray cats.
But hey, it's not all a bad thing. It was, after all, the Dragon Ball Z fans of the world that really gave anime huge amounts of public appeal in the US. A curse and a blessing at the same time, albeit.
Maybe, just maybe if there were multiple hits in the states, it would cure some of this disease. Just maybe

And this one (especially the Gundam comment)



The biggest problem I have with anime fandom today is the ill will fans hold for each other and the isolation that ensues. Take your average mainstream series, say Naruto, and there are legions of people who hate it. They see headbands and their antennae go up! Bleach fans, Pokémon (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=270) fans, Evangelion (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=49) fans, and even fans of Code Geass (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=6704) are commonly derided for their fandom. Fans of mainstream anime are seen as targets, while those who like specialized genres are often isolated. Often times one fan tells another his top five series, and there is nothing in common.

One may say:
1. First Gundam (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=46)
2. Space Battleship Yamato (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=338)
3. Urusei Yatsura (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=90)
4. Macross (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=355)
5. Space Runaway Ideon (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=1097)

And the other may say:
1. Kanon (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=6431)
2. School Days (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=7815)
3. Bokusatsu Tenshi Dokuro-chan (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=5094)
4. Ai Yori Aoshi (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=833)
5. Fate/stay night (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=5394)

The end result? The former may deride the latter, saying, "Fate/stay night? Should have been called Fate/stay in the kitchen!"
The latter retorts, "Macross? I liked it better when it was called Robotech (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=71)!"
The former throws a punch, screaming, "I'll show you a Nice Boat!"
(Apologies for the sexism, but I've seen it before)

It's worse between fans of the same genre. Gundam fans are known for this (I am one myself). On a good day, someone cosplaying as Char Aznable may be complemented for their "Zechs Merquise" costume. On a bad day, the Universal Century fans turn against the Cosmic Era fans, only for Anno Domini fans to gang up on them. In a little corner lie the After War fans, watching Zeta Gundam (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=1381) fans annoy Double Zeta Gundam fans. Meanwhile, Future Century fans scream out "Shining FINGER!" and "The School of the Undefeated of the EAST!", joined by Gurren Lagann (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=6698) and Gunbuster (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=466) fans, all known for hotbloodedness.

No matter what happens between the various groups in the mosaic that is anime fandom, one thing is for sure:

There will always be Azumanga Daioh (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=799)!

Seriously, there are Code Geass deriders? First I've heard of that.

Anyway, I figure we could all have something to say about this. So I'll start by stating my biggest problem with modern fandom are the people who get so freaking serious over their own show and force others to watch it and if they don't watch it or like it "their gaye" so to speak. It's one thing to advise a friend to check out an interesting show but its a whole other thing entirely to completely shut out and flame a person just because they don't like one particular show. Fortunately this sort of thing kind of only happens on the internet so no one cares as much but in real life, its pretty annoying.

So what about you guys?

[Ishtar]

I think it's very easy, the subbies vs. dubbies war. There are diehard fans that only watch the subbed Japanese version no matter what, while there are others who only watch the English dub no matter what. Some people respect other people's opinions on this matter, but there are quite a few people who act like their opinion of which language to watch is a superior opinion and must bash and/or get into an arguement with someone with a differing opinion. These debates get incredibly annoying, and I mean both sides. Just let people watch whatever version they want and leave them alone.

[Kitschensyngk]

How about people who love Evangelion so much that they declare every mecha show made after it a knock-off?

Granted, some shows like Eureka Seven do have some things in common with Eva, but to say that it deliberately ripped off it is being very shallow.

[Classic Speedy]

Elitism of any form.

[XOMiss_Samantha]

When people discriminate against certain shows based only off their biased opinion [which is usually formed even before watching said show that they dislike]. This then leads to them automatically looking down upon all those who disagree. This also goes for types of shows as well.
"You like shonen?" *insert rude comment here*.
This is especially true for Yaoi. I absolutly HATE it when those who know/understand nothing about a genre/show automatically assume they know everything there is to know. To hear arguments like "well all yaoi is just pointless smut" is just pure nonsense which pisses me off because obviously that person has no idea what they're talking about. I hate it when anime fans get their ideas by what they hear instead of what they discovered first hand. Until you actually look something up, don't go around telling the masses that "you shouldn't watch such and such because of this this and that". I think that's by biggest bother with the anime world because, being big into the yaoi community, it's something that I hear alot by people who don't know the first thing about what it is or what it includes. It's like, stereotyping a person based on their interest before understanding their point of view.

[Daxdiv]

Do people at conventions count? I kind of dislike it when people cosplay, and they don't put any effort into it. I admire the effort people put into their costume, I just don't like lazy cosplayers who think putting on a wig, and making their weapons out of pizza box is a good idea. Also anyone that wears the costume that isn't going to either a costume party, or a con, more like in a mall of somesorts, that goes for those Naruto headbands as well, it is not a fashion statement.

[bigdeath]

Seriously, there are Code Geass deriders? First I've heard of that.


Obviously you have missed the endless topics in the code geass talkbacks and side topics about:

1) Whether or not code geass is racist

2) Is Code Geass nothing but a prime example of the commercialization of anime to sell merchandise? *cough*gundam*cough*

3) If you like Code Geass its because your making excuses for terrible writing (yeah, and every other anime, and near every story ever told. There is no such thing as the perfect story, not even close)

ETC...

All right here on blessed toon zone. Yep and toon zone is civilised. Its far worst on the rest of the barbarian internets. People will brand you as a heretic. Theres even blogs devoted to mocking code geass. Why would you blog about a show you hate? They are funny to read though. :sweat:

And then theres Evangelion which has the dubious title of being the most loved and hated anime of all time. But that could very well take a whole book to explain. :shrug:

[garfield15]

Obviously you have missed the endless topics in the code geass talkbacks and side topics about:

1) Whether or not code geass is racist

2) Is Code Geass nothing put commercialization of anime to sell merchandise? *cough*gundam*cough*

3) If you like Code Geass its because your making excuses for terrible writing (yeah, and every other anime, and near every story ever told. There is no such thing as the perfect story, not even close)

All right here on blessed toon zone. Yep and toon zone is civilised. Its far worst on the rest of the barbarian internets. People will brand you as a heretic. Theres even blogs devoted to mocking code geass. Why would you blog about a show you hate? They are funny to read though. :sweat:

Oh, I kinda knew about that stuff. I meant like people who say that Geass is super-lame when you say you like it. So far, the people who know I like Geass didn't really care.

[bigdeath]

Oh, I kinda knew about that stuff. I meant like people who say that Geass is super-lame when you say you like it. So far, the people who know I like Geass didn't really care.

Well, that means you don't know many jerks. Go visit a con more often. The more people you meet = the more jerks you'll be introduced to. ;) ;)


And Sam:

Yaoi is nothing more than a "racier" version of romance novels. Racier only becuase it does not have the traditional relationship of a man and women.

[garfield15]

Well, that means you don't know many jerks. Go visit a con more often. The more people you meet = the more jerks you'll be introduced to. ;) ;)

I'd rather stay in the dark about said jerks thank you very much:D

[HellCat]

The rather stupid elitism. Basically the whole idea that nothing can top anime and that the only good anime is the one with alot of action, blood and drama. Anything that isn't "You foolish maggot. TESTICULAR SUBSTITUTE ATTACK!!" is to be shunned and you're foolish if you like it.

The fanbases that have half of the stuff being fanservice pandering, with rampant lolis and panty shots. Cause who needs plot, eh?

bigdeath, if you can't understand my dislike for Geass then I'd ask you to just drop it and not turn it into 'lol hypocritical Gundam fan'. Clearly you can't even see my point and instead have to bleat on about being the injured party. I'd be more than willing to discuss this with you, but you always fall back on the same old arguments and act any criticism of stuff you like is some scathing attack.

[XOMiss_Samantha]

And Sam:
Yaoi is nothing more than a "racier" version of romance novels. Racier only becuase it does not have the traditional relationship of a man and women.

But you at least recognize the fact that it involves romance and not pointless sex for the sake of sex [although there's still alot of PWP oneshots, it isn't the just the only thing]. There is sometimes heavy plot involved, and it comes in many forms. What bothers me is that people tend to ignore this fact and lump everything concerning yaoi in with the 'what the hell is this crap?' category. Fan art does the genre no justice because most of it is ugly and an eyesore to look at.

[Mr. Anime]

Elitism, Sub vs Dub wars, and the "my anime is so much better than your anime" statements.

[bigdeath]

I suppose what bugs me a little is that when you mention anime people think of one genre. Usually, shounen like naruto or the magical girl shows. Anime is just Japanese animation and any genre you like is likely to have at least a few animes.

But then that is the authors first point and I wholly agree with it. In fact, I think this is the main reason anime is not more mainstream in the US. Everyone thinks anime is just magical girls and naruto.

[garfield15]

But then that is the authors first point and I wholly agree with it. In fact, I think this is the main reason anime is not more mainstream in the US. Everyone thinks anime is just magical girls and naruto.

And fanservice and card games. Don't forget about fanservice and card games

[Light Lucario]

"There's other anime besides Naruto?"

Oh man. The lack of intelligence in that person's comment just made me laugh so hard. Not knowing that there's some other anime besides Naruto is kind of sad when you think about it.

Anyway, I agree that the sub vs. dub wars are annoying. Some people prefer the original content of a series. Others prefer watching a series without having to read the bottom of the screen. People have different tastes. Let it be.

I also get annoyed with people who say are anime fans, yet don't support the official releases. I don't want to start the whole watching online only vs. buying DVDs fight, even though that's probably bound to happen anyway, but its another argument that bothers me. The problem is not watching anime online, in my opinion, its more on how people don't buy the merchandise, meaning DVDs, when they're licensed. Of course, that just lands to another argument between anime fans who disagree and agree with what I've just said. So I basically get annoyed with those kind of fights.

[bigdeath]

Its not like anime is the only thing with tons of fanservice or card games. :shrug:

Star trek and star wars anyone?

But then people who love them tend to get lumped in with anime lovers in a category know as nerd or geek.

[Beat]

How about people who love Evangelion so much that they declare every mecha show made after it a knock-off?

One further.

Those who are in love with Evangelion so much they consider any other mecha show a waste of time while EVA is the most important piece of literature made since Shakespearian times.

[Alucard]

But you at least recognize the fact that it involves romance and not pointless sex for the sake of sex [although there's still alot of PWP oneshots, it isn't the just the only thing]. There is sometimes heavy plot involved, and it comes in many forms. What bothers me is that people tend to ignore this fact and lump everything concerning yaoi in with the 'what the hell is this crap?' category. Fan art does the genre no justice because most of it is ugly and an eyesore to look at.

My solution to this problem, get them to watch Ai No Kusabi, one anime fan at a time!

Or just ignore them.

[Scirel]

Elitism of any form.


Thread Over.

[Naruto D.Luffy]

So far we got

-Elitist
-Sub vs Dub
-People who discriminate against certain shows based only off their biased opinion
-Cosplay
-Fanbases based on fanservice
- Not knowing that there's some other anime besides the mainstream ones.

The only things I have left to contribute to this are those fans think they can understand Japanese because they only watch anime. You know the person who actually tries to end all their sentences with desu, but it just sounds stupid.Or they go around calling people baka and sound like retards. That's something I can't stand.
Another thing I can't stand are those fans who strongly agree that anime is the greatest form of animation ever created. Sure it's nice and all but they probably never seen those pics of the shows bad animation quality. I mean I like anime alot, but I still like American cartoons as much.

[WolfieKiwi]

I'm a bit of a yaoi fangirl myself (Enjoyed Gravi, Loveless and the twins in Ouran are awesome yes.) but there are times when I am just utterly ticked at how immature some yaoi fans can act, specifically those who pry themselves into a show just to...here, I'll show you what I mean...

There was a certain scanlators group for CLAMP I used to visit and their quality for each released chapter would sway between good and barely understandable sentences. So, out of curiosity, I checked out the connected forum and found out the reason why they didn't do a good job on some chapters was not because of the difficulty with translating the writing, but because there was no potential content between two certain male characters or they were absent from the chapter period. The main editor even had comments in each chapter discussion thread stating things like: "This was a boring chapter. Just talking."

Uh, hello? Plot?


The rather stupid elitism. Basically the whole idea that nothing can top anime and that the only good anime is the one with alot of action, blood and drama. Anything that isn't "You foolish maggot. TESTICULAR SUBSTITUTE ATTACK!!" is to be shunned and you're foolish if you like it.


This too.

[GWOtaku]

I hate to be redundant, but I agree with the complaint about fragments of fandom. I don't like the mindset that tries to limit greatness to one particular show or genre. I don't feel that's correct, even if we're talking something like Cowboy BeBop. The truth is, a lot of the greatest anime covers a very broad range of work. When it comes to books and the moving picture, I don't believe that you can have too much variety.

I feel that a good fan ought to be encouraging that greater variety, as opposed to staking everything on just one thing. I was drawn to anime because a lot of what was on TV a few years ago was very different from what I'd ever seen before. It motivated me to branch out and discover new things. So if there are fans that think only Shonen Jump or only Gundam when they think of anime, I think that's really a shame. There's so much that's being missed out on.

I also fiercely dislike fans that try to pigeonhole things as "loli" or "moe." Sure, if it's a young girl, it must be loli fanbait for perverted fanboys. The implication being that you can't watch show X or like character Y for anything besides those reasons. Look, I don't know or care to know about basement-dwelling Japanese Otaku, but don't shove their preferences onto fans on this side of the ocean and don't go out of your way to find this stuff in every show. Okay? Okay. This seems to be a general internet problem for what it's worth, mostly limited to no-name sites or forums and comments on somebody's blog.


Obviously you have missed the endless topics in the code geass talkbacks and side topics about:

1) Whether or not code geass is racist

Okay, we had 2-3 discussions about that and most of it was respectful and reasonable, and it was an issue worth getting out in the open. For my part I defended Geass and I still stand by every word. You should go read the Adult Swim thread on that again, that was by no means a "let's bash Geass" thread.

[bigdeath]

Hey, I did say toon zone was civil. The same discusions have been started on dozens of forums and they are not so civil. :sweat: So if I sound defenive then thats why. Same goes for the silly arguements over Eva and other shows.

[Sparticus]

The Scarily Rabid Yaoi Fangirls. Personaly, I don't care for yaoi - I just don't see the appeal. Some of those girls (and I'm assuming most of them are no older than 15 or 16) are INSANE!!! And they're everywhere. >.> W.T.F. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with the entire fandom - just the crazy ones who try to turn you to the yaoi side - as if it's better than the dark side - pfft! THE DARK SIDE HAS COOKIES! You can't beat that.

Unless there's cake. But we all know the cake is a lie. >.>

[bigdeath]

The Scarily Rabid Yaoi Fangirls. Personaly, I don't care for yaoi - I just don't see the appeal. Some of those girls (and I'm assuming most of them are no older than 15 or 16) are INSANE!!! And they're everywhere. >.> W.T.F. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with the entire fandom - just the crazy ones who try to turn you to the yaoi side - as if it's better than the dark side - pfft! THE DARK SIDE HAS COOKIES! You can't beat that.

Unless there's cake. But we all know the cake is a lie. >.>

Oh no, There are plenty of adult women that are VERY into yaoi. And it is scary. :D

[Daxdiv]

So far we got

-Elitist
-Sub vs Dub
-People who discriminate against certain shows based only off their biased opinion
-Cosplay
-Fanbases based on fanservice
- Not knowing that there's some other anime besides the mainstream ones.


For Cosplay it more those people who half-ass their costume that tick me off. I do excuse things like hair if the character in question has gravity defying hair, or little details, like making a holster for your cell phone. To me it more the lazy ones make the fanbase look bad. They have fun, that no problem with me, but for the love of a higher being, get the basic color scheme right. I saw a Kingdom Hearts Cosplayer dressed up as Marluxia once, he had a green jacket, and a cardboard scythe.

[Kitschensyngk]

In fact, I think this is the main reason anime is not more mainstream in the US. Everyone thinks anime is just magical girls and naruto.

At least those who don't think it's just excessively violent pornography.

[XOMiss_Samantha]

At least those who don't think it's just excessively violent pornography.


Almost every person I've ever met thinks that anime is porn. A close friends of mine even jokes about it with me
"You want that Japaneses porn stuff?"
"...its not porn ;_;"



The Scarily Rabid Yaoi Fangirls. Personaly, I don't care for yaoi - I just don't see the appeal. Some of those girls (and I'm assuming most of them are no older than 15 or 16) are INSANE!!! And they're [I]everywhere. >.> W.T.F. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with the entire fandom - just the crazy ones who try to turn you to the yaoi side - as if it's better than the dark side - pfft! THE DARK SIDE HAS COOKIES! You can't beat that.

Unless there's cake. But we all know the cake is a lie. >.> Those kind of girls give the fandom a bad name >_________< I openly joke about yaoi and finding pairings that would never be anything other than crack, but there's a line that shouldn't be crossed- the 'im a rabid psycho line'. Plus, most of those girls are only interested in their incoherent fanfiction and terribly drawn fanart. There's some really worth while manga in the yaoi community, with really popular artists [within the fandom]. Miyamoto Kano alone has her huge 'RULES' series universe. It's one of the best stories I've ever read and spans volumes of work.


The only things I have left to contribute to this are those fans think they can understand Japanese because they only watch anime. You know the person who actually tries to end all their sentences with desu, but it just sounds stupid.Or they go around calling people baka and sound like retards. That's something I can't stand.
That and when people add 'kun' or 'chan' to the end of a name. I was watching 'Made' on MTV not too long ago and there was a die hard anime fan to wanted to find a date to prom or something. Anyways, the entire time they showed her and her friends, the group would always call one of them 'sempai' or add some type of honorific to the end of a name. You sound like an idiot, and make yourself look like one when you walk around high school screaming "Hi Ashley-Chan!" Not to mention it makes everybody in the anime community look like a bunch of culturally indifferent "otakus".

[bigdeath]

Almost every person I've ever met thinks that anime is porn. A close friends of mine even jokes about it with me [I was reluctant to tell her in the first place because I knew that was the reaction I'd receive]
"You want that Japaneses porn stuff?"
"...its not porn ;_;"

I don't know if you can say that about that Yaoi stuff. :p *joking*

[GWOtaku]

Man, I guess I've been pretty lucky since I've never really run afoul of the "anime is porn" crowd. Heck, on occasion I walk through Best Buy and I see or hear some adult looking at or talking about anime.

To the extent that people have that wrong impression, I think marketing bears some blame aside from ignorance. Licensing fanservice-driven shows is bad enough; choosing to sell it with ecchi packaging is just counter-productive. Everyone is guilty, from bunny girls on one side of the otherwise great Haruhi box to the ridiculous cover art for Welcome to the NHK to FUNimation bothering with a show like Shuffle.

I don't have any problem with cosplayers, however bad. The entire point is indulging in an amateur costume if that's your thing. No one starts as an expert and not everybody wants to bother with an accurate or perfect costume. I say let cosplayers at any level have their fun.

[R-Taco]

At first I couldn't think of anything, but this thread gave me some examples.

People who can't tolerate certain parts of the fandom (cosplayers, yaoi fangirls, and the like) irk me. Disliking a person just because they like something and not because of something they do that actually affects others is a concept I just don't get.

[Sparticus]

Almost every person I've ever met thinks that anime is porn. A close friends of mine even jokes about it with me [I was reluctant to tell her in the first place because I knew that was the reaction I'd receive]
"You want that Japaneses porn stuff?"
"...its not porn ;_;"


Those kind of girls give the fandom a bad name >_________< I openly joke about yaoi and finding pairings that would never be anything other than crack, but there's a line that shouldn't be crossed- the 'im a rabid psycho line'. Plus, most of those girls are only interested in their incoherent fanfiction and terribly drawn fanart. There's some really worth while manga in the yaoi community, with really popular artists [within the fandom]. Miyamoto Kano alone has her huge 'RULES' series universe. It's one of the best stories I've ever read and spans volumes of work.

That and when people add 'kun' or 'chan' to the end of a name. I was watching 'Made' on MTV not too long ago and there was a die hard anime fan to wanted to find a date to prom or something. Anyways, the entire time they showed her and her friends, the group would always call one of them 'sempai' or add some type of honorific to the end of a name. You sound like an idiot, and make yourself look like one when you walk around high school screaming "Hi Ashley-Chan!" Not to mention it makes everybody in the anime community look like a bunch of culturally indifferent "otakus".


Oh yeah, I've had people ask me about the porn. I usualy explain that while, yes, there is porn, it's a pretty small percentege - probably the same ammount domesticly produced live action stuff they have stashed somewhere in their apartment. :D

Indeed.

Uh... does occationaly muttering a short phrase in Japanese count? I seem to have picked up the habit of muttering "yare yare" or "so ka", depending on the situation. :sweat:

[Rud]

Licensing fanservice-driven shows is bad enough

theres nothing bad/wrong with licensing fanservice driven shows, many people like those (like me).


That and when people add 'kun' or 'chan' to the end of a name. I was watching 'Made' on MTV not too long ago and there was a die hard anime fan to wanted to find a date to prom or something. Anyways, the entire time they showed her and her friends, the group would always call one of them 'sempai' or add some type of honorific to the end of a name. You sound like an idiot, and make yourself look like one when you walk around high school screaming "Hi Ashley-Chan!" Not to mention it makes everybody in the anime community look like a bunch of culturally indifferent "otakus".

god, i know this girl in school who is just like that, shes the most annoying person ever, i wanna kill her every time she calls me Sempai or [insert real name]-Kun. Its like she has a secrete desire to live in japan, but since she doesnt, she acts like she does.

[garfield15]

Uh... does occationaly muttering a short phrase in Japanese count? I seem to have picked up the habit of muttering "yare yare" or "so ka", depending on the situation. :sweat:

(Oh good I'm not the only one who does that)

I think they mean the people who openly say that as if someone knows exactly what they're saying and honestly don't know a thing about the language

[Nel]

Nothing bugs me more than the fact that half my friends think anime is nothing but porn, and the other half has the "all dubs suck" mentality. I lose either way, so I just keep my anime hobby to myself for the most part.

And when I actually meet girls who are into anime, most of the time it will be that the only anime they've watched is Inuyasha. Blarg.

[XOMiss_Samantha]

(Oh good I'm not the only one who does that)

I think they mean the people who openly say that as if someone knows exactly what they're saying and honestly don't know a thing about the language


Exactly. What bothers me is those who go out in public every day dressed as Ed Elric, only to start screaming random Japanese phrases that they heard in the last anime they watched to anybody who walks by. Also, they most likely don't even know what they're saying. I took Spanish for 7 years so every now and then I'll say something in the language just to be funny or catty [since most of my friends studied French instead]... but the difference is, I actually know what's coming out of my mouth. Most of the anime fans [or from what I've seen] don't, or they think it makes them look cool for speaking incoherently. Every time I stumble across a fandub that adds the 'kun' at the end of a name, I want to cry.

[Harlan_Phoenix]

Honestly, the biggest thing that bugs me about anime fandom is the fact that so many people still use the letter s to pluralize the word anime.

Elitism I can deal with because I can just go somewhere else. But this never goes away and follows me wherever I go.

The plural of anime is anime. Why do so many anime fans NOT UNDERSTAND THIS? I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!

[bigdeath]

Honestly, the biggest thing that bugs me about anime fandom is the fact that so many people still use the letter s to pluralize the word anime.

Elitism I can deal with because I can just go somewhere else. But this never goes away and follows me wherever I go.

The plural of anime is anime. Why do so many anime fans NOT UNDERSTAND THIS? I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!

Bad English is an epidemic but I can not spell myself so...

[Harlan_Phoenix]

Bad English is an epidemic but I can not spell myself so...

Every time I hear or read (moreso hear) "animes", I just wanna scream. I seriously don't understand why NOT putting an s at the end is such a difficult concept. These same people rarely say "deers."

[Kuroba]

A lot of the stuff that irks me (elitism, sub vs. dub, rabid fangirl/boyism, etc...) has been covered but I wanted to comment on this:



That and when people add 'kun' or 'chan' to the end of a name. I was watching 'Made' on MTV not too long ago and there was a die hard anime fan to wanted to find a date to prom or something. Anyways, the entire time they showed her and her friends, the group would always call one of them 'sempai' or add some type of honorific to the end of a name. You sound like an idiot, and make yourself look like one when you walk around high school screaming "Hi Ashley-Chan!" Not to mention it makes everybody in the anime community look like a bunch of culturally indifferent "otakus".
I saw that episode! My god was it annoying. Not only was the whole message bad ("Yeah, um, if you want to date a boy, you can't be interested in anime. That's, like, weird and totally not cool and no one will like you and you'll be a loser and like, yeah."), her whole group acted like stereotypical teenage anime fans; wearing Hot Topic clothes and cat ears and showing off their manga, along with the honorifics thing. There's nothing wrong with being an anime fan and being open about it, but not everyone is so obnoxious about their hobby. I wish more people could see that.

[Sparticus]

(Oh good I'm not the only one who does that)

I think they mean the people who openly say that as if someone knows exactly what they're saying and honestly don't know a thing about the language

Lol! Now that I think about it, saying "yare yare" is really no different than say... "ay yaye yaye" (I'm sure I'm spelling that wrong X|) or "oy ve."


Exactly. What bothers me is those who go out in public every day dressed as Ed Elric, only to start screaming random Japanese phrases that they heard in the last anime they watched to anybody who walks by. Also, they most likely don't even know what they're saying. I took Spanish for 7 years so every now and then I'll say something in the language just to be funny or catty [since most of my friends studied French instead]... but the difference is, I actually know what's coming out of my mouth. Most of the anime fans [or from what I've seen] don't, or they think it makes them look cool for speaking incoherently.
Every time I stumble across a fandub that adds the 'kun' at the end of a name, I want to cry.

Ah, so ka. XD I'm glad I've never run into those people - my crowd is the attempt-to-go-bankai, or kagebunshin-no-jutsu-for-greater-efficency, or open automatic doors with the Force kinda crowd (I'm quite good with the automatic doors). Although there are occational declartations of "Zura ja nai! Katsura da!" But we actualy know what we're saying. And it's a catchprase which falls into a completely different nerd bracket. :p

[Harlan_Phoenix]

ive never even seen that in real life outside of conventions, at most i see girls with Kurama and Hiei key chains attacked to their stuff. That shows so innacurate.

I've seen it at my high school. Not so much the cat ears, but there are some classmates of mine who've worn Naruto headbands.

[CartoonOverlord]

Animes, to me, sounds like Internets which it makes it so stupid that its funny to me.

To throw in my two cents, I hate the fans who rip you apart for even calling anime cartoons. Last time I checked cartoon was another term for animation and anime is just Japanese animation.

[Daxdiv]

I've seen it at my high school. Not so much the cat ears, but there are some classmates of mine who've worn Naruto headbands.

Dude I see people around my college campus wearing the headbands. To me it one thing wearing a Baseball Cap with your favorite team, show, or video game, or a snowcap is something else, but when did those headbands become a fashion statement?

I can understand they are in the anime club, and it usually in their club room, but do you have to wear that in class.

[Harlan_Phoenix]

Dude I see people around my college campus wearing the headbands. To me it one thing wearing a Baseball Cap with your favorite team, show, or video game, or a snowcap is something else, but when did those headbands become a fashion statement?

I have no idea.

[Ishtar]

Animes, to me, sounds like Internets which it makes it so stupid that its funny to me.

To throw in my two cents I hate the fans who rip you apart for even calling anime cartoons. Last time I checked cartoons was another term for animation and anime is just Japanese animation.
Oh god, that bothers me too. Another thing that comes to mind, is when certain anime fans falsely accuse their favorite show being intended for teenagers or adults, when they are actually targeted towards children. They think that just because of some of the violence or a few instances of what we would consider "adult humor" in a certain show, they'll think it's a show for adults. Some people just can't understand that what isn't appropriate in a US kids show may actually be acceptable in a kids show in Japan.

[Unwardil]

Oh god, that bothers me too. Another thing that comes to mind, is when certain anime fans falsely accuse their favorite show being intended for teenagers or adults, when they are actually targeted towards children. They think that just because of some of the violence or a few instances of what we would consider "adult humor" in a certain show, they'll think it's a show for adults. Some people just can't understand that what isn't appropriate in a US kids show may actually be acceptable in a kids show in Japan.

They could also be reminded of some of the things that (used to anyway) make it past the sensors in Disney movies.

I'll remind everyone of the infamous 'Good teenagers take of thier clothes' line from Aladdin and the Penis spire hidden in Triton's palace. Anime isn't the only genre that gets away with it.

Admitedly however, Movies like, oh, let's use Akira as an example are not intended for children. What with the graphic violence and occasional nudity. Bleach and Naruto just don't compare I'm affraid.

[HellCat]

I also fiercely dislike fans that try to pigeonhole things as "loli" or "moe." Sure, if it's a young girl, it must be loli fanbait for perverted fanboys. The implication being that you can't watch show X or like character Y for anything besides those reasons. Look, I don't know or care to know about basement-dwelling Japanese Otaku, but don't shove their preferences onto fans on this side of the ocean and don't go out of your way to find this stuff in every show. Okay? Okay. This seems to be a general internet problem for what it's worth, mostly limited to no-name sites or forums and comments on somebody's blog.


I think it's a problem because we DO know about the Japanese side of it and since they're the ones making the show the angle is obviously important. Certainly liking the odd little girl character because you like the character and believe she works well in the story is fine. But the problem is that even the original creators will sell out and allow the most innocent of stuff to become fanboy bait. Haruhi was praised by alot of people for apparently being a cliche buster of that genre, but has instead become the new template for it with tons of fanboy bait lude merchandise. We're talking about an area of animation that is consistently pulling off this "She looks 5 but we're telling you she's 18!" crap. It brings a massive amount of negative feeling from the get go, almost like if you were to say "I watch porn for the acting". You're very correct that in theory there should be nothing more to liking a character or show then finding it an enjoyable experience. But even the creators themselves are basically working against this.

[Captain Highwind]

"You foolish maggot. TESTICULAR SUBSTITUTE ATTACK!!"

That sounds painful.

[GWOtaku]

I think it's a problem because we DO know about the Japanese side of it and since they're the ones making the show the angle is obviously important. Certainly liking the odd little girl character because you like the character and believe she works well in the story is fine. But the problem is that even the original creators will sell out and allow the most innocent of stuff to become fanboy bait. Haruhi was praised by alot of people for apparently being a cliche buster of that genre, but has instead become the new template for it with tons of fanboy bait lude merchandise. We're talking about an area of animation that is consistently pulling off this "She looks 5 but we're telling you she's 18!" crap. It brings a massive amount of negative feeling from the get go, almost like if you were to say "I watch porn for the acting". You're very correct that in theory there should be nothing more to liking a character or show then finding it an enjoyable experience. But even the creators themselves are basically working against this.

Haruhi is one thing, but my issue is with people that shove this on shows that don't deserve it. Some people can't even let Lucky Star (an actual cliche-buster) or Cardcaptor Sakura pass. Then you have Geass and some people go "HAHA XING-KE IS A PEDO." Sigh. No. HE'S NOT.

[HellCat]

Haruhi is one thing, but my issue is with people that shove this on shows that don't deserve it. Some people can't even let Lucky Star (an actual cliche-buster) or Cardcaptor Sakura pass. Then you have Geass and some people go "HAHA XING-KE IS A PEDO." Sigh. No. HE'S NOT.

In fairness, Lucky Star can go either way. You could argue it bucks the trend but it's certainly not against pandering as the merchandise shows. Add in the production staff kept putting in "We made Haruhi and have her VA!!" moments. If I see one more YouTube link to that bloody dance scene...

[Classic Speedy]

to FUNimation bothering with a show like Shuffle. I'm not sure what you're saying. Are you saying FUNi also succumbed to using fanservice to sell the show (which WOULD be true, as they had that banner ad with "Want to see 40 panties in one minute?", or something like that) or that the show sucks and didn't deserve to be licensed? Because if the second, I disagree. It's actually a pretty good show, especially as it goes along.
I'll remind everyone of the infamous 'Good teenagers take of thier clothes' line from Aladdin and the Penis spire hidden in Triton's palace. Eh, both of those are debatable, though.

[garfield15]

Exactly. What bothers me is those who go out in public every day dressed as Ed Elric, only to start screaming random Japanese phrases that they heard in the last anime they watched to anybody who walks by. Also, they most likely don't even know what they're saying. I took Spanish for 7 years so every now and then I'll say something in the language just to be funny or catty [since most of my friends studied French instead]... but the difference is, I actually know what's coming out of my mouth. Most of the anime fans [or from what I've seen] don't, or they think it makes them look cool for speaking incoherently. Every time I stumble across a fandub that adds the 'kun' at the end of a name, I want to cry.

That reminds me of the time I first saw the Lucky Star dub

"Wow are they actually leaving the honorifics on this?"

[GWOtaku]

I'm not sure what you're saying. Are you saying FUNi also succumbed to using fanservice to sell the show (which WOULD be true, as they had that banner ad with "Want to see 40 panties in one minute?", or something like that) or that the show sucks and didn't deserve to be licensed? Because if the second, I disagree. It's actually a pretty good show, especially as it goes along.

It's a bit of both. I've been worn out on harem comedy for a long time. And if there's any truth in that advertising, it probably isn't my cup of tea.

[rubberchicken]

Almost every person I've ever met thinks that anime is porn. A close friends of mine even jokes about it with me [I was reluctant to tell her in the first place because I knew that was the reaction I'd receive]
"You want that Japaneses porn stuff?"
"...its not porn ;_;"
Hey, why is there no love for Japanese porn stuff? There's some good Japanese porn stuff... ;_;

Anyway, there are plenty of things I loathe about animu geeks, some of which I've been known to do myself. Probably the biggest one for me is when people put all anime and manga on some kind of pedestal of stunning literary achievement (my personal favorite was when somebody claimed Goku's rising power level and Luffy's rising bounty were indicative of deep character development), while assuming that nothing produced in the West (or any other medium, for that matter) can ever measure up. When called on it, they point to something like the Larry the Cable Guy movie (actually happened here) as an example of how Hollywood can't produce anything worthwhile, then get defensive when you provide a similarly stupid counterexample from the vast repository of anime schlock out there.

Also, people who continue to cite edits that happened in the mid-90s as a reason that we should be glad when anime companies go bankrupt today.

[HellCat]

Hey, why is there no love for Japanese porn stuff? There's some good Japanese porn stuff... ;_;

Anyway, there are plenty of things I loathe about animu geeks, some of which I've been known to do myself. Probably the biggest one for me is when people put all anime and manga on some kind of pedestal of stunning literary achievement (my personal favorite was when somebody claimed Goku's rising power level and Luffy's rising bounty were indicative of deep character development), while assuming that nothing produced in the West (or any other medium, for that matter) can ever measure up. When called on it, they point to something like the Larry the Cable Guy movie (actually happened here) as an example of how Hollywood can't produce anything worthwhile, then get defensive when you provide a similarly stupid counterexample from the vast repository of anime schlock out there.

Also, people who continue to cite edits that happened in the mid-90s as a reason that we should be glad when anime companies go bankrupt today.

*offers a parliamentry cheer of agreement*

[rubberchicken]

*offers a parliamentry cheer of agreement*
Hooray for Japanese porn stuff. :gir:

[HellCat]

Hooray for Japanese porn stuff. :gir:

Oh, you bastard...

:p

[Zeonic Freak]

Alright, i got a list of complaints against the anime community. Ive accually been trying to stay away from this thread to "be a nice guy", but too bad:

-People who like one anime and stick to that, but refuse to watch others and say they are a fan. (This isnt 15 years ago where all the anime we got advertised were in anime mags and comic books, which wasnt enough)
-People who talk about the same anime all the time. ( Like i said, were not in the stone age)
-People who pick anime women over real women any day of the week (you know who you are)
-People who pay for anime items at Hot Topic and get over charged, or just paying for overpriced anime items in general (The only thing i would consider getting at a hot topic is a Captian America belt buckle, if i wanna pay 18 for it)
-People who have arguments over "whats true cosplay", and people who have bad cosplay
-Me paying overpriced on anime items (if i knew a cheap looking wooden katana (the kind with the wooden blade) from Suncoast would kill a man for 30 bucks, i would probalby get it)
-Paying too much for Gundam models (Hobby stores are pretty bad on that)
-More cosplay complaints, but im sure you people know about them
-People who wanna say one mecha from another anime is better than another mech from another anime, and the only excuse is "i can beat it up in a video game RPG or fighting game" as the only excuse to back thier say. (Eva vs Gundam, its like comparing beef with potatos. They are good ingesting them, but to have them battle and say whose better than who, tough call)
-People who hype up a series as '' TEH BEZT EVAR RAAWWR" only to find you get hugly dissapointed in it. (example, Azumanga Daioh. after 10 ep, i couldnt take no more)

I would have more, but those are my top picks there.

As for the first post relating to gundam, that is true. Theres alot of known hatred on "NO THIS IS THE TRUE GUNDAM SERIES, BAAAHHHH" or "IF TORIYAMA DOESNT LIKE IT, THEN NO ONE SHOULD BAAAHHH". I was a big hater for Wing till the past few years when i rewatched it and was like "hey, this is accually a good series, wow". I think for me, the only gundam i dont like is the ones i havent watched/ have no interest in. Now, like any opinion, my opinion on a series can change once i accually watch it.

Plus, im an old school anime fan, because i just cant get into the new stuff because of how hyped people say things are. Same like Bleach, Naurto and One Piece. Dont get me wrong, im sure they are really good, but when you convinced me something is the best ever, i have no care to see it.

Theres alot more i could say on the anime community, which in due time, i would share my view on that. Good thing im more on comics and video games than anime right now. All i ask is the handful of series i like get good remakes/sequels/continuations down the road...

[Conekiller]

I also fiercely dislike fans that try to pigeonhole things as "loli" or "moe." Sure, if it's a young girl, it must be loli fanbait for perverted fanboys. The implication being that you can't watch show X or like character Y for anything besides those reasons. Look, I don't know or care to know about basement-dwelling Japanese Otaku, but don't shove their preferences onto fans on this side of the ocean and don't go out of your way to find this stuff in every show. Okay? Okay. This seems to be a general internet problem for what it's worth, mostly limited to no-name sites or forums and comments on somebody's blog.


This whole paragraph is written in pure win. Although it really just goes back to eletism and "my anime is better than your anime"

However, it seems a bit hypocritical to say this and then derride anime companies for picking up shows with fanservice. That's like going "How dare Bandai advertise Cowboy Bebop with Faye Valentine showin her cleavage on the box" That's only taking a single aspect of the show, not all shows that contain fanservice are driven by it.

[GWOtaku]

This whole paragraph is written in pure win. Although it really just goes back to elitism and "my anime is better than your anime"

However, it seems a bit hypocritical to say this and then derride anime companies for picking up shows with fanservice. That's like going "How dare Bandai advertise Cowboy Bebop with Faye Valentine showin her cleavage on the box" That's only taking a single aspect of the show, not all shows that contain fanservice are driven by it.

Well that's not the issue, the issue is basically companies going out of their way to market the fanservice like what happened with the DVD covers for Welcome to the NHK. They're appealing to the small segment of the market that's going to go for it, sure, but at the same time they're also perpetuating the stereotype. I'm not making a blanket judgment here, but I am saying that it's a problem when you wouldn't know from advertising that there's anything more than fanservice to a show.

[bigdeath]

Well that's not the issue, the issue is basically companies going out of their way to market the fanservice like what happened with the DVD covers for Welcome to the NHK. They're appealing to the small segment of the market that's going to go for it, sure, but at the same time they're also perpetuating the stereotype. I'm not making a blanket judgment here, but I am saying that it's a problem when you wouldn't know from advertising that there's anything more than fanservice to a show.

And even better example is witchbalde. The advertising makes it look like a pure fanservice show but in truth there is not much fanservice and it has really good story.

[BrendaBat]

1) Fansub Fanatics: I don't have anything against the people who download anime as long as they're honest about why they do it (i.e. lack of cash, impatience, their 20-year-old anime of choice hasn't been licensed and probably never will, etc.).
However, I can't stand the fansub fanatics who try to justify downloading with idiotic reasons like "Fansub translations are WAY more accurate" and "The fancy, colorful subtitles used in fansubs are much easier to read".


2) Fangirl Japanese: This trend wouldn't bother me so much if the practice hadn't creeped into several dubs! Seriously, what professional translator and/or writer in their right mind thought putting that crap in an OFFICIAL dub was a good idea!? :confused:


3) Sub vs dub: A lot of anime fans seem to think we're still living in the year 1995 (where most dubs were hackjobs and you had to choose between sub or dub VHS tapes). Today, fans don't really "miss" any important cultural/story elements if they watch a show in English instead of Japanese (and even if they did, most DVDs have dual language tracks anyway). So comments like this...

From the Answerfans article

Then, there's the posers.

.....

The people that generally have only watched the dubs because they didn't *feel* like watching the subs, even by Youtube....are really out of line. What good would it do me to re-watch my favorite anime in a language I don't understand? I watch anime to be entertained, not to get a freakin' language lesson!


4) Rabid Japanophiles: These people turn Japan into a creepy religion and insist that EVERYTHING the Japanese people make (from cartoons to toilet paper) are inherently superior to everything made in any other country.

A lot of them also fantasize about moving to Japan and instantly finding a gorgeous soulmate there. :sad:

Originally posted by GWOtaku
I don't have any problem with cosplayers, however bad. The entire point is indulging in an amateur costume if that's your thing. No one starts as an expert and not everybody wants to bother with an accurate or perfect costume. I say let cosplayers at any level have their fun.
I don't get all the cosplayer hate, either. If someone wants to cosplay and they're genuinely having fun with it, who cares if their costume isn't perfect? :)

However, people like the "Man Faye" who try to cram their 300 pounds of hairy flesh into a tiny g-string deserve all the hatred we can throw at them!! :p

[Beat]

There's a considerable difference between your average hobbyist and the guy who plans out his costume and idiots like Man-Faye who make a scene just to disgust people and make a fandom look stupid.

[Kitschensyngk]

I have made it a point to remain neutral in the sub-dub wars since I know how fierce they can get.

I normally watch dubs on my own, but if I had to watch subtitles, like in my anime club, I wouldn't complain. As long as I know what they're saying onscreen.

Another annoyance I have is with people who insist on drawing anime characters making out with each other. Things like Naruto x Sasuke fanart is just creepy.

[Alucard]

Another annoyance I have is with people who insist on drawing anime characters making out with each other. Things like Naruto x Sasuke fanart is just creepy.

So, I'm guessing doujinshi just makes your head explode? :p

[bigdeath]

So, I'm guessing doujinshi just makes your head explode? :p

Somethings exploding...

[Daxdiv]

There's a considerable difference between your average hobbyist and the guy who plans out his costume and idiots like Man-Faye who make a scene just to disgust people and make a fandom look stupid.

Well, if a female costume is conservative enough.... I don't mind if a male dresses in it, but people like Man-Faye, IMO do give cosplayers a bad name, Don't wear skimpy clothing, after all you are a man, security will stop you, like that one time. I think he was not allowed in one con at one time in an ANN interview. Sure I have no problem with people having fun with it, after all it is for fun, but... don't be like that Green Marluxia I met once.

[XOMiss_Samantha]

Another annoyance I have is with people who insist on drawing anime characters making out with each other. Things like Naruto x Sasuke fanart is just creepy.

D:
While I don't like fanmade fanart, published doujinshi drawn by actual mangakas are pretty good to be honest. I know Kakashi X Iruka is a crack pairing- but even so doujins do SUCH a good job and making it feel canon.

[BrendaBat]

Originally posted by Daxdiv
Well, if a female costume is conservative enough.... I don't mind if a male dresses in it, but people like Man-Faye, IMO do give cosplayers a bad name, Don't wear skimpy clothing, after all you are a man, security will stop you, like that one time. I think he was not allowed in one con at one time in an ANN interview. Sure I have no problem with people having fun with it, after all it is for fun, but... don't be like that Green Marluxia I met once.

I know Man Faye has been banned from Anime Expo and Comic Con for his obnoxious behavior (thank God!). At Anime Expo 2006, he had to hang out in an alley by a hotel because the convention center wouldn't let him in! :p

.......and the depressing/frightening part is that he has "fans" who flocked to the alley to see him! :ack:

[Ahiru-kun]

The thing I hate the most about anime fandom is the hype a lot of fans put behind a series or story arc. Of course it doesn't live up to my expectations, and I end up not liking it as much as I should. That's partially my own fault. I should learn to ignore the hypers. Death Note, Code Geass, and Gurren Lagann are notable exceptions however. The first two have lived up to my expectations, and the third is exceeding them.

[Beat]

Well, if a female costume is conservative enough.... I don't mind if a male dresses in it, but people like Man-Faye, IMO do give cosplayers a bad name, Don't wear skimpy clothing, after all you are a man, security will stop you, like that one time. I think he was not allowed in one con at one time in an ANN interview. Sure I have no problem with people having fun with it, after all it is for fun, but... don't be like that Green Marluxia I met once.

I really think people like Man-Faye do it just to make the fandom look bad and cite discrimination when people call them out on their crap.

[kenjisalk]

@Beat:

It's for the lulz, man. Isn't it obvious?

Being all butthurt about it is just giving them what they want, not to mention missing the point. XD

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I dislike the anime fandom itself for the most part, but that's just because I seem to have nothing in common with most of them. My taste in tv/literature/film are so fundamentally different, that I rarely enjoy a conversation with anyone about anime, with the exception being my wife and IRL best friend. It's like we're speaking different languages, and while I try and meet people halfway, it just becomes a bit of a chore after a while, when someone won't stop droning on about some high school sex comedy show or shonen thing that I have no idea what they're talking about.

I love animation and film, and think that a quality piece of fiction is universal, but after all these years, I just keep coming back to the feeling that the majority of anime is almost strictly for a demographic I'm not a part of, and I feel jipped that when I don't appreciate a property, I'm told that I'm just too uptight or something.

[Harlan_Phoenix]

D:
While I don't like fanmade fanart, published doujinshi drawn by actual mangakas are pretty good to be honest. I know Kakashi X Iruka is a crack pairing- but even so doujin's do SUCH a good job and making it feel canon.

I'm not trying to pick on you, I just want to illustrate something that confuses me to no end that happens to be evident in this post.


mangakas

Japanese words, from what I understand, aren't given an s when made plural, but I see it a common mistake to do so anyway. But even beyond that...


doujin's

...Why would this one get an apostrophe?

[XOMiss_Samantha]

I'm not trying to pick on you, I just want to illustrate something that confuses me to no end that happens to be evident in this post.



Japanese words, from what I understand, aren't given an s when made plural, but I see it a common mistake to do so anyway. But even beyond that...



...Why would this one get an apostrophe?

I have always seen people use the term 'mangakas' so I didn't realize that there's something wrong with it?
Also, there shouldn't be a ' in doujins. That's a grammar mistake. Quite common my posts, and nothing new at that.

[Harlan_Phoenix]

I have always seen people use the term 'mangakas' so I didn't realize that there's something wrong with it?
Also, there shouldn't be a ' in doujins. That's a grammar mistake. Quite common my posts, and nothing new at that.

Ah, alright. I was just wondering. Sorry if it came off as rude.

[Antiyonder]

I love animation and film, and think that a quality piece of fiction is universal, but after all these years, I just keep coming back to the feeling that the majority of anime is almost strictly for a demographic I'm not a part of, and I feel jipped that when I don't appreciate a property, I'm told that I'm just too uptight or something.

Understood, but demographic lable can't always be an indicator of quality. I for one have found some really enjoyable Shojo anime/manga in addition to the Shonen. Demograph labels are more for marketing purpose rather than story recommendations.

[Katsumara]

Most annoying thing to me about the anime fandom is the grammar/spelling errors that seem to be everywhere when you talk to them. I don't know why it's so bad sometimes.

The actual reason the anime fandom bothers me though is no matter what sort of opinion you may have, it's wrong. It's wrong because they are always right. It's like you are arguing with a woman the entire time (even if said person is a guy), because we all know women are always right.

[kenjisalk]

Understood, but demographic lable can't always be an indicator of quality. I for one have found some really enjoyable Shojo anime/manga in addition to the Shonen. Demograph labels are more for marketing purpose rather than story recommendations.

I didn't mean traditional demographics, but some unidentifiable demo that I just don't seem to be a part of. I don't think it's anything I've "grown out of" or anything, but the cliches and staples of mainstream anime just aren't appealing to me anymore.

[thenewme93]

What I hate about the obsessive anime fandom is when fans take it to a different level and start bashing any other animation besides Japan's... I remember the worst was when a user at the old TVtome.com used to be a Code Lyoko fan before he found out it was made in France then the user continued to bash it claiming its ripping off "Japan's beautiful original art."

[mumbo]

Most of the things have been mentioned. The elitism is the worst, whether it be that "anime is inherently superior to all other media forms" or "I refuse to watch a well-crafted, well-acted, accurate dub because it's not in Japanese so I'll just illegally download the sub instead" or "it's shonen so it must be garbage" are the worst.

I also hate when fans try to ram certain series down my throat. I don't watch all that many different series, but I am well aware of what's out there, thank you. I just don't happen to have a lot of time to follow like a million different series at once. And never tell me what to like and what not to like, that'll just turn me off even more.

As for sub vs. dub, believe me if I follow a series closely and watch the dub exclusively, even if I don't watch the sub I have done my research and am aware of what changed.

And don't try and push "don't watch the dub because it's not the artist's original intent" on me when it's a series adapted from a manga. Because then the original anime isn't the "artist's intent" either, and is usually edited plenty in its transition from manga to anime.

And then there's the people who feel the need to JUSTIFY fansub downloading like it's their God-given right or something. It doesn't bother me if you download something and know it's illegal but just don't care, because then you're not deluding yourself anyway.

And of course there are the Japanophiles, already mentioned. There are times when they refuse to believe there are references to other cultures in a manga or anime series.

[BrendaBat]

Originally posted by thenewme93
What I hate about the obsessive anime fandom is when fans take it to a different level and start bashing any other animation besides Japan's... I remember the worst was when a user at the old TVtome.com used to be a Code Lyoko fan before he found out it was made in France then the user continued to bash it claiming its ripping off "Japan's beautiful original art."

Tell me about it! Back when Avatar first came out, I saw lots of people on anime message boards asking where they could find Avatar fansubs! :p

[Luna]

The Scarily Rabid Yaoi Fangirls. Personaly, I don't care for yaoi - I just don't see the appeal. Some of those girls (and I'm assuming most of them are no older than 15 or 16) are INSANE!!! And they're everywhere. >.> W.T.F. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with the entire fandom - just the crazy ones who try to turn you to the yaoi side - as if it's better than the dark side - pfft! THE DARK SIDE HAS COOKIES! You can't beat that.
Exactly....While I don't outright hate yaoi,I also don't particularly like it either (I do love pretty much anything CLAMP's done,as well as Yun Kouga's works like Loveless,though)....it doesn't bother me if the fans of yaoi stick to characters that actually are gay,but alot of them like to pair up any two male characters in a series (regardless of whether the characters in question actually are straight in canon,or are obviously just friends/rivals with no romantic intentions whatsoever)...I'm sorry,but just because two guys care about each other,that doesn't mean they're in love (I particularly despise Kingdom Hearts yaoi)....

I also hate the whole "dub vs. sub" thing....watch whatever version you like,and let others do the same (personally,I enjoy dubs more,but I'm not about to criticize those who prefer watching anime in Japanese)...

and anime fans who feel the need to bash any other countries' animation....If you actually don't like it,that's fine,but I get the feeling many of these type of people don't like other animation because "it isn't anime"...(I just don't understand this type of thinking....Sure,I enjoy anime,but I also love Disney,Looney Tunes,South Park,Futurama,and The Simpsons,to name a few)...

[Ickis]

Hmmm where should I start? Hmmm... well I don't like how some are over-analyical and fuss about even the slightest change in dialogue in a dub, if you're given the position to dub an anime why not excersize your right and have a little fun? Look at the popularity of Speed Racer! One problem that I seriously don't like is that plenty of them draw in the common anime style and don't experiment with their own drawing techniques but atleast they aren't as bad as some of the artists that I've seen that try to mimic the Sonic drawing style as its common to see a character thats basicly a slightly altered Tails. I've also met a few serious anime fans at my schools club and it seemed like that they had a closed mind as if anime was a religion or something. Whatever happened to back when Speed Racer was new and it was okay to change around an anime? We didn't have the internet back then so people couldn't know the hidden facts and wouldn't get all kooky about stuff. Theres also anime-cons which I find silly as anime gets conventions but stop-motion animation, common animation, Flash, and CGI don't get their own cons and I'm not saying that they should as much as its just silly of how many anime-cons there are, atleast Sci-Fi conventions probably cover a bigger area and not just media from Japan. Theres also the issue of so many anime fans becoming so obsessed with specific shows to the point of limiting their life to Borders, their computer, and anime cons. So to sum everything up in a nutshell anime fandom has become less fun and more of like a clan and somewhat communistic, say anything independant and typicly someone'll wallop ya with a hammer!

[HellCat]

I think changing things is looked down on because usually in these situations the original won't be made available. That's part of the reason 4Kids get roasted- they dumb down the shows with inconsistent editing and justify it by saying stuff like it's only out of touch obsessives who want to see it released as it originally was. Imagine you've followed the series in it's original form. You've loved it and told friends how great it is and they should try it. The localised version is released, they try it and...the tone is distinctly different. Plot points are changed, an originally well done death scene is completley removed, etc. Surely you'd be upset that people aren't going to get to see it as was originally intended, all because some execs only care about money and easy ratings.

[rubberchicken]

I just remembered something of the utmost importance.

People who think "Fly Me To The Moon" was written for Evangelion.

[vlad]

One thing I dislike about the anime community are those who stop treating anime as what supposed to be entertainment and start treating it as a way of life.

[Dudley]

The thing that annoys me most about the modern anime fandom, in America, at least, is definitely when people claim to be anime fans, but really only like one or two titles. I find this happening most with teenage males, but it seems to be a plague that spreads every time I turn around. I, thankfully, have done my small part in being able to convert some of my, "I-love-anime-but-really-only-watch-Naruto/Bleach" friends into reading some other publicly likeable titles to slightly broaden their horizons, but there's only so much one person can do. In fact, it has gotten so bad, I was once conversing with a peer, and we got on the subject of anime. Our conversation, in a slightly fragmented state, went something like this.
"Do you like any anime?" I asked him casually.
"Yes, I do," he replied, suddenly excited. "I'm a huge Naruto fan! It's so awesome! Kakashi is so my favorite character, he-"
"Woah, woah, back up. I never said I watched the show."
"You don't?"
"Err, no, I watch other anime."
"There's other anime besides Naruto?"
Now that made me want to punch a wall, or better yet, knock some sense into him. I have no problem with mainstream titles, but their popularity, and the American anime producers' neglecting of other titles, has gotten out of hand. Everywhere I look I see Naruto posters and Bleach T-shirts. Society is feeding the syndrome, and the public is lapping it up like stray cats.
But hey, it's not all a bad thing. It was, after all, the Dragon Ball Z fans of the world that really gave anime huge amounts of public appeal in the US. A curse and a blessing at the same time, albeit.
Maybe, just maybe if there were multiple hits in the states, it would cure some of this disease. Just maybe

I hate it even more when "cartoon fans" are like that.

Fortunately I don't come in contact with fans that do anything i detest. I do hate people's presumption that I'm an anime fan, since I don't like that many.
If that counts.

[Sparticus]

I think changing things is looked down on because usually in these situations the original won't be made available. That's part of the reason 4Kids get roasted- they dumb down the shows with inconsistent editing and justify it by saying stuff like it's only out of touch obsessives who want to see it released as it originally was. Imagine you've followed the series in it's original form. You've loved it and told friends how great it is and they should try it. The localised version is released, they try it and...the tone is distinctly different. Plot points are changed, an originally well done death scene is completley removed, etc. Surely you'd be upset that people aren't going to get to see it as was originally intended, all because some execs only care about money and easy ratings.

YES. I hate when people (one of those many aspects of the sub versus dub battle of endless wangst) immediately assume that all changes or edits are for the worst.

Some stuff just won't translate - either it's a joke no one will get, or it's one of those things that's fine with a Japanese crowd but wouldn't fly with your general American audiance. Some localization is bound to occur - no big deal - and usualy no big loss.

I hate when everyone immediately assums all companies are 4Kids. >.<

[garfield15]

YES. I hate when people (one of those many aspects of the sub versus dub battle of endless wangst) immediately assume that all changes or edits are for the worst.

Some stuff just won't translate - either it's a joke no one will get, or it's one of those things that's fine with a Japanese crowd but wouldn't fly with your general American audiance. Some localization is bound to occur - no big deal - and usualy no big loss.

I hate when everyone immediately assums all companies are 4Kids. >.<

That is very much true but what I think HC was trying to say was that people wouldn't mind those edits if the original was somehow available which in 4Kids' cases it isn't

[Game Freak 4]

What I hate about the obsessive anime fandom is when fans take it to a different level and start bashing any other animation besides Japan's... I remember the worst was when a user at the old TVtome.com used to be a Code Lyoko fan before he found out it was made in France then the user continued to bash it claiming its ripping off "Japan's beautiful original art."

I still don't get why do people believe that and/or how does Code Lyoko looks "animeish."

EDIT: Also, there are so many ANIME Music Videos. Why can't there be some CARTOON Music Videos?(I say "cartoons" only because some anime fans refuse to have anime being called that. Some just plain dispise that word.)

[airfighter]

To be honest, both Western and Japanese animation have "borrowed" ideas or details from each other, even just as their basic inspiration, so it's natural for some similarities to result. But that shouldn't be a problem. Each work has its own merits and deficiencies.

[Bakasama]

Tell me about it! Back when Avatar first came out, I saw lots of people on anime message boards asking where they could find Avatar fansubs! :p

Well, it's being dubbed in Japanese (http://www.nickjapan.com/programs/avatar/index.html) right now. It's interesting what the Nick Japan dubbers did with Azula's voice.

[Hope4love]

Personal I just don't like how divided the fandom is.

Sub vs Dub

Yaoi vs Yuri

Naruto vs Bleach

It really make me wish I was born a few years sooner, back when anime was just about having fun.

That being said I hate pairing bashing in fanfiction. I rememer seeing this one icon that said "Ichigo/Rukia for people who can't read" then it changed into "Ichigo/Orihime for those who can read"

Now even though I don't write het pairings that really pissed me off. I'm not saying it is a cannon pairing but if you watched the first couple episode of Bleach, you can tell that the ideal is not completely impossible if the creator wanted it that way.

Then there is crap like "pairing Y ruins the show" yeah take that BS somewhere else.

I also have a feeling that most writers (like me) don't think so and so pairing really exist in the series.

Heck I ship GaaLee but if it were to really happen in Naruto, I think I would lose my mind.

If you don't like a certain pairing, then don't read it. Simple as that.

[BrendaBat]

Another thing that bugs me is the contingent of fans who are happy when American anime companies suffer and actually WANT to see them fail. They say the companies deserve it because they edit anime (even though most companies don't) and that fan-translations are more "pure" and accurate. But really, I think they just don't like the fact that their cool, secret niche hobby is now mainstream.

[kenjisalk]

Those are just poor punk kids who most likely don't spend much if any money on anime DVDs or merch anyway, so their opinion is irrelevant.

They're annoying, that's for sure. But thankfully they don't matter.

[Luna]

That being said I hate pairing bashing in fanfiction. I rememer seeing this one icon that said "Ichigo/Rukia for people who can't read" then it changed into "Ichigo/Orihime for those who can read"

Now even though I don't write het pairings that really pissed me off. I'm not saying it is a cannon pairing but if you watched the first couple episode of Bleach, you can tell that the ideal is not completely impossible if the creator wanted it that way.

Then there is crap like "pairing Y ruins the show" yeah take that BS somewhere else.

I also have a feeling that most writers (like me) don't think so and so pairing really exist in the series.

Heck I ship GaaLee but if it were to really happen in Naruto, I think I would lose my mind.

If you don't like a certain pairing, then don't read it. Simple as that.I only bash non canon pairings (esp yaoi or yuri if the characters in question are straight in canon).....if the couple is something that the creator decided upon,I'll support them...
if there are no defined pairings I'll put up with the fandom deciding who belongs with who,even if I don't agree....

That said,I've come to despise Ichigo X Rukia (Bleach) recently.....from what I've seen,there's absolutely no evidence that they're anything other than friends(anime-wise I'm up to whatever episode Adult Swim is up to,manga-wise,I'm up to volume 23)......Again,as I've said before,just because two people care about each other,that doesn't mean they're in love...Although both pairings are one-sided for now,at least there's actual canon evidence for Rukia X Renji (on Renji's side) and Ichigo X Orihime (on Orihime's side)....

[thenewme93]

Yeah....Poor Renji....:sad:

[Ickis]

I still don't get why do people believe that and/or how does Code Lyoko looks "animeish."

EDIT: Also, there are so many ANIME Music Videos. Why can't there be some CARTOON Music Videos?(I say "cartoons" only because some anime fans refuse to have anime being called that. Some just plain dispise that word.) Well who knows, probably because its easier with anime since lip sync is not an issue and typicly theres some scenes to fit with yelling. Either way AMV to me stands for Animated-Music-Video, it just makes more sense and covers a bigger variety.

[Dub C]

I also hate when fans try to ram certain series down my throat. I don't watch all that many different series, but I am well aware of what's out there, thank you. I just don't happen to have a lot of time to follow like a million different series at once. And never tell me what to like and what not to like, that'll just turn me off even more.

YES! There's this social board I post on, & there seems to be this small group of anime fans who somehow feel the need to post their flavor the of month anime & just plaster it all over the board. One guy wouldn't shutup about Monster, so much so I've got no desire to watch it what so ever. Lately it's been Gurren Lagaan, and up until last week's episodes I was ready to call it overhyped garbage.

*And let me add people that whine about voice acting quality in dubs, as if it isn't 5 star, it's horrible & they will easily watch it subbed. No, you want bad voice overs, go back and watch any dub from the early 90s & before. Yeah, doesn't sound as horrible as you thought anymore does it?!

[RuroKens]

What I don't like is people who agrue that this one cartoon is the best. People like that quickly turned me of Naruto. I did like it, but once I realized how long it is, and the fans acting like the show is real, (I know that things like Chakra are real concepts, but I doubt people can perform half the stuff shown in Naruto) I stopped liking it. Plus, I don't like the main charachers, they seem to... dull. But that's my opinion of it.

This isn't a cartoon thing, but it is related. People who claim to be Japanese music fans, when it's painfully clear they have only heard bands that have at least one song played on a Japanese cartoon. Porno Graffitti is a great band, for instance, easily a favorite in my book. But people claim to like them when they only like Melissa from Fullmetal Alchemist. They've never listened to songs like Mugen or Apollo from the forementioned artist, and continue to claim that they like that group. Asian Kung Fu Generation is another grand example of my point. It's one thing to be hooked on a song you found on a Japanese cartoon and then start getting more songs to listen to from that artist or gerne, but it's another to claim to like Japanese music when in truth, you just like the song because your favorite Japanese cartoon played for a time. Some of them will never hear great bands like X Japan or Luna Sea, since they're too caught up being "Japanese music fans". Not true fans, who actually put effort to hear as much as they can from a artist.

Another thing is those who likes anything Japanese, just becuase it's Japanese. Defend anything Japanese, and try to live and die Japanese. I'm not talking about people who may side with Japan here and there, but actually talk about it like it's like a living heaven or something, and anything from there is like having gold. The people who believe that Japan is really, the best place to be. It might be grand to go there and all, but it can't be THAT great. I would like to go, but it's not the only place. What those people don't know, is what Japan does sometimes that isn't all that cool. The ******** (Wanna-Be Japanese) are totally clueless to the fact that the Japanese try to censor text books that talk about the crimes the Japanese did in World War II (I'm NOT trying to start a WWII debate). Some historians think the Japanese killed off more people than the Germans ever did. Or the xenophobic and racist attitudes in Japan, which could be considered worse than in America since it's Japanese people VS. Everyone else in the world in Japan and not white VS. black or Hispanic VS. white, etc. like it is in America. Like America, it's fading, but still an issue. So, basically, the average ******** who talks in half-baked Japanese and thinks everyone like Naruto or Bleach is going to be confused when he/she bumps into "Japanese Only" signs or gets called a "Gaijin" by some xenophobic Japanese person. Which he/she may not even understand. So basically, the moron thinks that just because of a somewhat bland cartoon, Japan is instantly the best ever. While it's great to like a culture, it's a good idea to understand that no single country is perfect and to pointless defend it makes you look dumb. If Naruto came from a place like Iraq or some other misunderstood Muslim nation, those same people would love/worship that land, not because the land in question has good culture, but just because of a silly show that may not even come close to being a repsentation of the country in question. (Example used because, let's face it, people have closed minded ideas about things like Islam and the countries who have it as the main faith and retarded fanboyism would make that worse) I just have issue with those who just worship something, that may not all that great.

Then there is the whole anime vs cartoons thing. I don't like how Japanese cartoons get to seperate from the rest, just becasue it's Japanese. Cartoons are cartoons, no matter where it comes from. Also, anime is just Japanese for animation, so why not say Japanese cartoons so EVERYONE knows what you're talking about. Not some Japanese loan word of a English word.

[Midnight Blue]

I guess my main gripe is when people have a "X is hot and anybody who disagrees is wrong!" philosophy. I don't hate the people or anything, just the act of rambling about it and refusing to believe someone has a different opinion.

My friend's friend introduced me to D.Gray-man sometime last year. I got hooked, and began discussing it with her over the internets. However, every plot-related discussion somehow turned into "Tyki is so hot <33333". I tried to tell her as calmly as possible that I didn't like Tyki, both because I don't feel attraction to fictional characters and I don't like him as a person, and she refused to believe that. I tried to explain why I didn't like him, but that still didn't work. Eventually I just dropped it. It didn't have any long-term effects, she's still a great person and now I can discuss anime/manga with her and avoid the previously-inevitable "x is hot" discussion. It certainly wasn't an extreme case, but that kind of behavior can get annoying really fast.

While I've never experienced it first-hand, the eternal dubs vs. subs war is annoying as well.