Is "Hannah Montana" Done with?

[RonDrakenfan17]

I don't man the actor herself LOL I mean the series on the Disney channle. I heard on the radio from her mouth that its only going till season three, than a spin off of a character. I'm curious if this is true, I'd love a Jackson spin off, they don't give that kid enough respect on the show :(

[Galaxy 9000]

Disney usually drops their live action shows by the 3rd season, so it wouldn't be surprising if it was ending.

[RonDrakenfan17]

Disney usually drops their live action shows by the 3rd season, so it wouldn't be surprising if it was ending.

Suprsingly they said a 4th season was optional :eek:

At least in other articles, but Hanah said she'd like to end at a third season.

[JPPT1974]

Better to leave on top then at the bottom as they said!

[Galaxy 9000]

Well the only other Disney show I know of that got up to 4 seasons was That So Raven.


IMO Hannah Doesn't deserve a 4th season.

[Silverstar]

Well, we knew that Hannah Montana couldn't go on forever; most of these live-action kidcoms end after about 3 seasons, for the simple fact that kids grow up. Eventually, Miley's going to outgrow her character, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were to wrap it up after the third season. Since Disney doesn't seem to want to do shows about college kids, ending HM seems like the only option.

[Galaxy 9000]

Mileys only 15, they have plenty of time before shes a college girl.

[Galaxy 9000]

The more important question is: If it is ending, what show'll take it's place?

I would really like a jackson and rico show.


IMO best people on the show.

[DarthGonzo]

I never run into HM during my daily routine. And in the rare times that I do I just ignore it and turn my attention towards something else. Life is too short to get riled up over - and subsequently hate - a kid's television show. I just don't understand why this bothers people so much.

Or is it because I'm just too old to care? Between working 9-5 in order to earn a living, renovating my house, dating, paying bills and trying to find time in-between for a social life something as trivial as the popularity of a TV show on the Disney Channel is the least of my concerns.

[Blackstar]

I never run into HM during my daily routine. And in the rare times that I do I just ignore it and turn my attention towards something else. Life is too short to get riled up over - and subsequently hate - a kid's television show. I just don't understand why this bothers people so much.

Or is it because I'm just too old to care? Between working 9-5 in order to earn a living, renovating my house, dating, paying bills and trying to find time in-between for a social life something as trivial as the popularity of a TV show on the Disney Channel is the least of my concerns.

I'm with that. I have too many real life issues to deal with-keeping my business afloat. Finding clients. Getting my bills paid on time, to name only 3-to hate on a kids' TV show.

[RonDrakenfan17]

I still don't see how it's a problem, though. No one is forcing you to watch Hanna Montana. Why not just switch to something else when it's on?

Anyways, I wonder if by "spinoff" does Disney intend to actually 1 or more characters from Hanna Montana into their own show, or will it just be another show with 1 or more of the HM actors playing different characters, like Nick's iCarly?

Hmm I'd hope they mean spin off of a character from the show, so much they could have done with Jacksons character IMO. Also yah a third season is best, hmm college years? Blah. But that's me.

Edit;

Woops didn't mean this topic to turn into a I hate Hanah topic LOL That's how my other topic got locked. Just wanted to dicuss the possibilty of it getting canned. Also a Jackson and Ricco spin off would rule, yah.

[Master Toon]

I would really like a jackson and rico show.


IMO best people on the show.

How would that work out? Would they still be living in the same area and what happened to Miley? If yes, fans would wonder why Miley and Lilly haven't made an appearance. Corey in the House put Corey in a new location and made an excuse for a few to no Raven appearances.

They could always say that Miley is on a world tour or something, now that I think about it.

[Bird Boy]

Massive thread cleanup. Probably not worth it, but beats closing another thread.

Movie06 - Stay away from this thread. If I see you posting in here or any Hannah Montana topic again and derailing it as you have this one, then you will be warned. Just stay away from topics about things that annoy you. You don't need to comment on them.

Now, back on topic. If you guys can find one.

-BB

[Ajax]

Well, we knew that Hannah Montana couldn't go on forever; most of these live-action kidcoms end after about 3 seasons, for the simple fact that kids grow up. Eventually, Miley's going to outgrow her character, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were to wrap it up after the third season. Since Disney doesn't seem to want to do shows about college kids, ending HM seems like the only option.It might be because Miley just wants to get away from the shadow of Disney. Didnt her album that she just released (that had nothing to do with HM) get number 1? Clearly she doesnt need the HM franchise to further her career anymore.

[Zorak Masaki]

I wonder if she'll ever go into the country genre (considering her dad is a famous country musician and most siblings of country stars have joined the genre). Of course, considering country music has a much older fanbase it might not be the best time to do it at this moment.

[Light Lucario]

It might be because Miley just wants to get away from the shadow of Disney. Didnt her album that she just released (that had nothing to do with HM) get number 1? Clearly she doesnt need the HM franchise to further her career anymore.

That's what I'm thinking too. I believe that she wants to be known for her own music, not just Hanah Montana. I don't blame her for that, and I think that's a good idea too, since I'm sure most stars would prefer being known for who they are, rather than who they played on television, especially if they played on a kids' show. I'm not sure if she wants to break away from Disney altogether like Hilary Duff did, but I'm sure that she probably wants to have more focus on herself as a singer instead of the character that she plays on Disney.

[Ajax]

I'm not sure if she wants to break away from Disney altogether like Hilary Duff did.I wouldnt be surprised if she did break away from Disney like Duff did. It worked pretty good for Hilary and she didnt have half the popularity that Miley currently has.

[Hanshotfirst113]

Did two-dozen posts just magically disappear in the few hours that I went to work :p?

[Master Toon]

Did two-dozen posts just magically disappear in the few hours that I went to work :p?

Bird Boy had deleted a few posts because Movie06 was derailing the thread as well as rubbing some of the other members the wrong way, see?


Massive thread cleanup. Probably not worth it, but beats closing another thread.

Movie06 - Stay away from this thread. If I see you posting in here or any Hannah Montana topic again and derailing it as you have this one, then you will be warned. Just stay away from topics about things that annoy you. You don't need to comment on them.

Now, back on topic. If you guys can find one.

-BB


That's what I'm thinking too. I believe that she wants to be known for her own music, not just Hanah Montana. I don't blame her for that, and I think that's a good idea too, since I'm sure most stars would prefer being known for who they are, rather than who they played on television, especially if they played on a kids' show. I'm not sure if she wants to break away from Disney altogether like Hilary Duff did, but I'm sure that she probably wants to have more focus on herself as a singer instead of the character that she plays on Disney.

But can she survive without Hannah Montana? I'm just kidding, she's popular enough to break away from Hannah, imo.

[Old Guy]

How would that work out? Would they still be living in the same area and what happened to Miley? If yes, fans would wonder why Miley and Lilly haven't made an appearance. Corey in the House put Corey in a new location and made an excuse for a few to no Raven appearances.

They could always say that Miley is on a world tour or something, now that I think about it.

Just sent them to college. Jackson is older than Hannah/Miley and Rico is supposed to be a genius. There ya. Jackson & Rico's College Adventures.

[Old Guy]

No, wait. Co-Ed starring Rico with Jackson.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj21/loveyouforever_08/St%20Jude%20and%20Pediatric%20Aids%20Event/moisesarias.jpg

That's a better title. ;)

[RonDrakenfan17]

Just sent them to college. Jackson is older than Hannah/Miley and Rico is supposed to be a genius. There ya. Jackson & Rico's College Adventures.

Some times Disney sucks at age with there series. I had an idea about Jackson getting annoyed of being in the shadow of Hanah Monatah, so he joins some type of traveling school. Only Ricco and Olvier are in it as well and they can travel to other states, than we'd get other Disney stars from out of the US. Also I don't want a laugh track in the show blah. But thats getting a little into the fan fiction catagory area. But I'm thinking Disney is too afraid to get into the College thing maybe they can have Jackson trapped in the summer years every year with Ricco, kind of like what Ed, Edd n Eddy do. Actors play young ages all the time now and days any ways, unless the kids get tired of playing their characters I think it would be a great idea :D
Their the only characters worth staying tune to the show these days.

[Old Guy]

A college series would be a new step for Disney. Even Saved by the Bell had a season in college! Although if Disney does get some "b-word" I wouldn't want Oliver in the series. I honestly don't care much for his character. Jackson and Rico are good enough.

[Tash]

But can she survive without Hannah Montana? I'm just kidding, she's popular enough to break away from Hannah, imo.
I'm not sure it'll work out too well for her, because her role in the television show has been so deeply ingrained into her music career from the beginning.

[Old Guy]

To me Hannah and Miley are the same thing, so it doesn't bother me one bit. Then again...I'm not the one spending money on her.

[Antiyonder]

Just sent them to college. Jackson is older than Hannah/Miley and Rico is supposed to be a genius. There ya. Jackson & Rico's College Adventures.

Disney thinks that college settings will cause their target demograph to grab the pitchforks and approach the Disney studios with extreme prejudice. Infact, Kim Possible was suppose to end with Kim and Ron's enterance into college, but was rejected.

[Old Guy]

Disney thinks that college settings will cause their target demograph to grab the pitchforks and approach the Disney studios with extreme prejudice.

Where did they get that dumb idea from?

[Antiyonder]

Where did they get that dumb idea from?

Mainly because the execs figure that their audience can only enjoy a show if the character is in their age range and Disney Channel shows are aimed from preschoolers up to tweens. Thus college wouldn't work it that aspect.

And while I won't deny that the audience appreciates a character in their age group, I don't believe they would have a problem with characters that are older either.

[Old Guy]

Mainly because the execs figure that their audience can only enjoy a show if the character is in their age range and Disney Channel shows are aimed from preschoolers up to tweens. Thus college wouldn't work it that aspect.

And while I won't deny that the audience appreciates a character in their age group, I don't believe they would have a problem with characters that are older either.

How does Disney explain Elementary school kids who enjoy Hannah Montana and their other similar shows. Technically these kids are not in the age group of the characters. So, if Elementary kids can enjoy watching shows about kids in High School then Middle School kids can enjoy watching shows about kids in College.

[Ajax]

How does Disney explain Elementary school kids who enjoy Hannah Montana and their other similar shows. Technically these kids are not in the age group of the characters. So, if Elementary kids can enjoy watching shows about kids in High School then Middle School kids can enjoy watching shows about kids in College.Well if you think about it, how well would a show set in college actually do, especially one made by Disney? All the Disney Channel Series have the characters always learning some kind of moral in every episode. That apporach couldnt possibly be pausiable in a college setting. Plus all the cliches attached to the High School/middle school setting (the assortment of clicks, rivals, popular people, bullies etc) pretty much disappear in a college setting. And we all know Disney couldnt even make a crappy show without those particular things.

[Spideyzilla]

I think she is indeed leaving. She's already recorded her own, non-HM CD, shows she's starting to move on. But when the show ends, I think there will be a national cry to continue. Won't it be a sad day in America when HM packs up.

[RonDrakenfan17]

I think she is indeed leaving. She's already recorded her own, non-HM CD, shows she's starting to move on. But when the show ends, I think there will be a national cry to continue. Won't it be a sad day in America when HM packs up.

Well err um I don't know if people will be all boo-hoo once the show ends, they just need a spin off. I'm tired of her character any ways, like I said before Jackson and Ricco are the way to go :D
Course than agian did That's so Raven have a 4th season? I forget. Also I'm fine with Oliver not being in the spin off, Jackson's my favorite character any ways :p

Edit;

I think popular shows such as Hanah Montanah/That's so Raven/Lizzie Muguire {Is that how you spell her last name?} Are able to go more seasons, like they said in the interview on the Radio they are opean to a 4th season, some thing some shows who are not as popular can't get.

[Antiyonder]

Well if you think about it, how well would a show set in college actually do, especially one made by Disney? All the Disney Channel Series have the characters always learning some kind of moral in every episode. That apporach couldnt possibly be pausiable in a college setting. Plus all the cliches attached to the High School/middle school setting (the assortment of clicks, rivals, popular people, bullies etc) pretty much disappear in a college setting. And we all know Disney couldnt even make a crappy show without those particular things.

Consider that reruns of Tom & Jerry and Courage The Cowardly Dog do well to merit airing on CN, plus the fact that Spongebob (There is the boating school, but the majority of episodes take place outside boating school) is the top Nicktoon, it's proof enough that the viewers can enjoy shows that aren't based off their school lives.

[Light Lucario]

I wouldnt be surprised if she did break away from Disney like Duff did. It worked pretty good for Hilary and she didnt have half the popularity that Miley currently has.

That's true. While you don't hear much of Hilary Duff anymore, I have heard that her CDs are still doing pretty well. Since Miley Cyrus is much more popular than Hilary Duff was, the chances are pretty good that going off from Disney could work well for her too.


How does Disney explain Elementary school kids who enjoy Hannah Montana and their other similar shows. Technically these kids are not in the age group of the characters. So, if Elementary kids can enjoy watching shows about kids in High School then Middle School kids can enjoy watching shows about kids in College.

I wonder how they explain the five year old girls in my mom's preschool and kindergarten class that love Hanah Montana. While I do understand why Disney might not have the same cliches that are found in middle school and high school settings, a series in a college could work for them if they wanted to do it right.

[Ajax]

Consider that reruns of Tom & Jerry and Courage The Cowardly Dog do well to merit airing on CN, plus the fact that Spongebob (There is the boating school, but the majority of episodes take place outside boating school) is the top Nicktoon, it's proof enough that the viewers can enjoy shows that aren't based off their school lives.Ummm...kay?

What does that have to do with what I said lol? (no sarcasm, this is actually a question.)

[Old Guy]

All the Disney Channel Series have the characters always learning some kind of moral in every episode. That apporach couldnt possibly be pausiable in a college setting.

How old are you, son? There's PLENTY to learn in college.

To begin with, it's when you finally leave the nest. Mistakes will be made as a result. In middle and high school you have your parents to take care of you. Not in college, man. You have to figure things out on your own. Learn by experience! Secondly, you have all these parties. WAY more than in high school. Things to be learned there as well. Parties are fun, but not all of the time. Drama can occur. And there's, of course, the actual school work. In the past you could just...get by. Not in college. You're expected to do well. I mean...do you want your doctor to be someone who got C's in college and medical school or A's?

So...plenty of stories with lessons to be learned.

[Old Guy]

Disney is sooooo doing a Jackson-Rico spin off. In tonight's episode they started to set it up. The episode started with a girl telling them that they acted like "brothers" and then at the end (after the usual Jackson-Rico nonsense) it is revealed that Rico doesn't have any friends and Jackson says he'd be happy to be his friend if he would cut him some slack every once in a while. So, yea, get ready for the Rico-Jackson spin off in 2009. I wouldn't be surprised to hear an announcement by the end of the year.

[Antiyonder]

Ummm...kay?

What does that have to do with what I said lol? (no sarcasm, this is actually a question.)


Plus all the cliches attached to the High School/middle school setting (the assortment of clicks, rivals, popular people, bullies etc) pretty much disappear in a college setting.

That sentence pretty much implies that the target demograph won't enjoy a program unless those cliches are present. Whereas the shows I've listed do well despite the absents of those cliches.

[Ajax]

How old are you, son? There's PLENTY to learn in college. . A year older then you, I think, maybe?


To begin with, it's when you finally leave the nest. Mistakes will be made as a result. In middle and high school you have your parents to take care of you. Not in college, man. You have to figure things out on your own. Learn by experience! Secondly, you have all these parties. WAY more than in high school. Things to be learned there as well. Parties are fun, but not all of the time. Drama can occur. And there's, of course, the actual school work. In the past you could just...get by. Not in college. You're expected to do well. I mean...do you want your doctor to be someone who got C's in college and medical school or A's? So...plenty of stories with lessons to be learned.Yeah I know your right, trust me I'm about to finish college myself but this is Disney bro. I know you of all people doesnt believe that disney has the know how to make a decent show set in college. On a side note, for some reason Im informed that the young people who actually like Hannah Montana herself dont really give a rats ass about Rico and Jackson. Lol go figure right?


That sentence pretty much implies that the target demograph won't enjoy a program unless those cliches are present. Whereas the shows I've listed do well despite the absents of those cliches.
No your right, but were talking about a series that would potentially take place in college. What im saying is that Disney probably couldnt make a decent show without using those cliches cause they use em in every series. Do you get what im saying?

[Antiyonder]

What im saying is that Disney probably couldnt make a decent show without using those cliches cause they use em in every series. Do you get what im saying?

Yeah, I do. I wouldn't say that it's lack of capability, just lack of willing. The way I see it is that the audience does prefer those shows, but to Disney preference equates to closemindedness.

I say that they have the capability to do something different, because even during their most creative decade they still played it safe to a degree and still gave us a show which threw their rules out the window (Gargoyles).

[Ackar]

Sadly, the curse of the Cyrus girls won't end with the death of Hannah Montanna.

Billy Ray has gotten his youngest daughter Noah an upcoming disney show.

.. Guess who's playing the father? :rolleyes2:

[Silverstar]

Sadly, the curse of the Cyrus girls won't end with the death of Hannah Montanna.

Billy Ray has gotten his youngest daughter Noah an upcoming disney show.

.. Guess who's playing the father? :rolleyes2:

Geez, another Cyrus girl getting a show on The Disney Channel with Billy Ray playing her dad? :eek:

I just hope they don't go with the 'dead mom' premise again....

[RonDrakenfan17]

Sadly, the curse of the Cyrus girls won't end with the death of Hannah Montanna.

Billy Ray has gotten his youngest daughter Noah an upcoming disney show.

.. Guess who's playing the father? :rolleyes2:

Oh dear lord no!!!
Well if they have him as the dad they better at least make him look different so he doesn't look like the father of Hanah Montanah. Also, hope its not the same storyline LOL.

Edit;

If yesterdays episode was a setup for a Jackson and Ricco spin off that would rule so much. I want that so badly, there the best characters ever.

[Master Toon]

Sadly, the curse of the Cyrus girls won't end with the death of Hannah Montanna.

Billy Ray has gotten his youngest daughter Noah an upcoming disney show.

.. Guess who's playing the father? :rolleyes2:

Do you have any proof of this?

[Light Lucario]

While I do think that the idea of a Disney Channel series taking place on a college campus, as apposed to a middle school or high school area, maybe one reason why that might not work for Disney is for the issues that come up at college. I'm mainly think of alcoholic beverages and getting drunk, but maybe they wouldn't want to do that for the little kids who are five years old to be exposed to that. Of course, they probably already are with commercials on some channels, but I was just thinking out loud as to why they may not go with something like a college campus.

[Zorak Masaki]

While I do think that the idea of a Disney Channel series taking place on a college campus, as apposed to a middle school or high school area, maybe one reason why that might not work for Disney is for the issues that come up at college. I'm mainly think of alcoholic beverages and getting drunk, but maybe they wouldn't want to do that for the little kids who are five years old to be exposed to that. Of course, they probably already are with commercials on some channels, but I was just thinking out loud as to why they may not go with something like a college campus.

On the other hand they could use those issues to educate younger viewers WHY getting drunk and stuff like that is wrong.

[Master Toon]

On the other hand they could use those issues to educate younger viewers WHY getting drunk and stuff like that is wrong.

True but then Soccer Moms would come out of the woodwork and complain about how it's setting a bad example for kids, despite the fact that it's a helpful message.

[Pomegranate]

True but then Soccer Moms would come out of the woodwork and complain about how it's setting a bad example for kids, despite the fact that it's a helpful message.

Yet, they never complained about the content of the 3 WB cartoons(BTAS, SuTAS and P&TB), Digimon dubs, other TD/Jetix shows, movies of the Harry Potter franchise and others rated TV-PG when they were airing on the Disney networks before.:sweat:

[Gokou Ruri]

True but then Soccer Moms would come out of the woodwork and complain about how it's setting a bad example for kids, despite the fact that it's a helpful message. They mentioned getting drunk on Drake & Josh without any (to my knowledge) backlash, and they also did some sensitive issues like crash dieting on Lizzie McGuire, and a smoking episode on That's So Raven, so it's always plausible for a "very special" episode.

[Old Guy]

Miley Cyrus stays committed to "Hannah Montana"
By Alex Dobuzinskis
1 hour, 1 minute ago

Miley Cyrus and Disney Channel sought to shoot down rumors on Monday that the teen sensation of the TV hit "Hannah Montana" was seeking to part ways with the show that made her a star.

Patti McTeague, a Disney spokeswoman for the "Hannah Montana" show, told Reuters that reports of on-set turmoil were "absolutely not true, pure gossip."

Cyrus, 15, one of the world's most popular teen celebrities, said she had no plans to leave the show -- Disney's most watched series for 6-11 year-olds and the basis of a huge merchandising empire.

"I am fully committed to 'Hannah Montana,"' Cyrus told People in a report on the magazine's website on Monday.

Cyrus's comments followed reports on celebrity website TMZ.com that Cyrus was trying to get fired by showing up late on set, stalling production and infuriating the cast and crew.

TMZ suggested that Cyrus, who is building a successful pop music career in her own right, wanted to focus on singing rather than the TV show.

In the show, Cyrus plays a schoolgirl who leads a secret life as a pop star named Hannah Montana. One-time country sensation Billy Ray Cyrus, her real life father, plays Miley's dad on the show.

"It's what gave me this amazing opportunity to reach out to so many people," Cyrus told People. "I couldn't do it alone. We have an amazing cast that is so supportive, including my dad who has been there for me every step of the way."

Disney Channel's McTeague said Cyrus and the "Hannah Montana" team have been in production for a third season of the show, and that Disney has an option for a fourth season.

"We're thrilled with it, and we know everyone's working hard, and Miley herself has said she's committed to the long-term success, as are we," McTeague said.

A movie version of the show has already been shot and is scheduled for release in April 2009.

It is not the first time there has been speculation about Cyrus's satisfaction with the show. She released a new album "Breakout" in July that was the first that did not play on her squeaky-clean "Hannah Montana" alter ego.

In July, the young actress told E! News that this could be the last season of "Hannah Montana," saying she has acted in the show since she was 11 and the heavy workload included shooting "two seasons in one last year."

(Reporting by Alex Dobuzinskis: Editing by Jill Serjeant and Philip Barbara)

[Movie06]

Oh no...

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x259/alastair_hm/facepalmbq8dj7.jpg

[Tobias]

Doesn't shock me that they're milking Hannah for all she's worth. I mean, look at how much life they've squeezed out of the 'Suite Life' concept.

[Movie06]

Doesn't shock me that they're milking Hannah for all she's worth. I mean, look at how much life they've squeezed out of the 'Suite Life' concept.

But eventually, both shows will end and will probably be forgotten forever. Abandoned by pretty much its own fans as they'll move onto the next big thing.

[Ajax]

But eventually, both shows will end and will probably be forgotten forever. Abandoned by pretty much its own fans as they'll move onto the next big thing.So long as Miley stay famous as she ages, her show proally wont be forgotten. Im pretty sure people can still recall Hilary Duff when she use to play Lizzie McGuire.

[Movie06]

So long as Miley stay famous as she ages, her show proally wont be forgotten. Im pretty sure people can still recall Hilary Duff when she use to play Lizzie McGuire.

For pete's sake, Miley looks like she's on the road to becoming another Britney Spears. In a few years, she'll probably be considered an irresponsible mother.

Hell, sooner or later, like the Jonas Brothers, she'll be the butt of everyone's jokes.

[Spideyzilla]

For pete's sake, Miley looks like she's on the road to becoming another Britney Spears. In a few years, she'll probably be considered an irresponsible mother.

Hell, sooner or later, like the Jonas Brothers, she'll be the butt of everyone's jokes.

I hope not. I don't like saying that stuff.

[DarthGonzo]

Movie06, why does this bother you so darn much?

[Darklordavaitor]

Movie06, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're not 12 or female, right? If I'm right, than I must remind you that you're not in Miss. Cyrus' demographic. With that said, I must also note that there are better things you can be doing with your life than badmouth a teenage girl's success every chance you get and I think it'd be best if you just let it be.

[Spideyzilla]

Movie06, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're not 12 or female, right? If I'm right, than I must remind you that you're not in Miss. Cyrus' demographic. With that said, I must also note that there are better things you can be doing with your life than badmouth a teenage girl's success every chance you get and I think it'd be best if you just let it be.

Exactly. This thread is going south. And didn't BirdBoy tell you to stay away?

[Movie06]

Movie06, why does this bother you so darn much?

Well, it's that what also makes me angry about HM is her fans. They can't accept the fact that not everyone likes Hannah Montana.

[Hanshotfirst113]

I'd be surprised if they cancel the show before the movie comes out. As long as they can keep things going until then, they'll reap the benefits nicely.


But eventually, both shows will end and will probably be forgotten forever. Abandoned by pretty much its own fans as they'll move onto the next big thing.

We've got the point man. We've got it.


Well, it's that what also makes me angry about HM is her fans. They can't accept the fact that not everyone likes Hannah Montana.

I don't think that they really care. They don't need to "accept" anything. Most of them are kids who don't really care, and just buy her merchandise. I did the same thing when I was young with Power Rangers, Ninja Turtles, and a bunch of other things. Then I got a job and life went on.

[Movie06]

I don't think that they really care. They don't need to "accept" anything. Most of them are kids who don't really care, and just buy her merchandise. I did the same thing when I was young with Power Rangers, Ninja Turtles, and a bunch of other things. Then I got a job and life went on.

Excuse me, I'm not talking about kids here. I'm talking about fanbrats, the stupid teens that get suckered in. You obviously never met them but I have and they're nuts.

[Blackstar]

Excuse me, I'm not talking about kids here. I'm talking about fanbrats, the stupid teens that get suckered in. You obviously never met them but I have and they're nuts.

Lots of people are nuts, but you don't have to live with or even acknowledge the Hanna fangirls, so why do you even care?

[Light Lucario]

For pete's sake, Miley looks like she's on the road to becoming another Britney Spears. In a few years, she'll probably be considered an irresponsible mother.

Hell, sooner or later, like the Jonas Brothers, she'll be the butt of everyone's jokes.

I'm not anywhere near a fan of HM or Miley Cyrus, but isn't that a bit harsh. Nothing in her performances that I've seen on Disney Channel remotely look like something Britney Spears did back in her heyday. She's certainly not ripping off her clothes on stage and that big photo issue of her from before isn't really that revealing at all. If this bothers you so much, then why do you continue on commenting it. I don't like HM either, but I'm not that upset about her fanbase or seeing her all over Disney Channel.

I am kind of surprised that she wants to stay with HM, in a way, since I thought she wanted to focus more on her singing career than on her TV role. Then again, that is what got her so much fame and she, like Disney, probably wants to keep that same fame for as long as possible. Makes sense in a business kind of logic.

[Old Guy]

I'd be surprised if they cancel the show before the movie comes out.

Regardless of whether the show is cancelled or it simply ends the new season doesn't start till...November...I think. And with Disney's track record of having weeks in-between new episodes I wouldn't be surprised if they are still airing new episodes when the movie is released in May 2009.

[Ajax]

For pete's sake, Miley looks like she's on the road to becoming another Britney Spears. In a few years, she'll probably be considered an irresponsible mother.And......what if she isnt? What if she turns into a more successful singer/actress what have you?

[Pomegranate]

Hate to say this, but I pretty much agree with Movie06 about Miley Cyrus' choice to continue playing her Hannah Montana role. Her insane levels of popularity is also one of the many reasons Disney TV animation is on the decline as of very recently.

BTW, does anyone think she actually has some serious animosity for most of Disney's original animated properties and she is purposefully staying with Disney so she can get the mouse house with her insane popularity to bury their entire animation department forever?:shrug:

[Darklordavaitor]

BTW, does anyone think she actually has some serious animosity for most of Disney's original animated properties and she is purposefully staying with Disney so she can get the mouse house with her insane popularity to bury their entire animation department for good?:shrug:
What the... no. If she was, she wouldn't of done voices in Bolt and The Emperor's New School. You're digging too deep in your doomsday theories.

[Pomegranate]

What the... no. If she was, she wouldn't of done voices in Bolt and The Emperor's New School. You're digging too deep in your doomsday theories.

Doesn't necessarily mean she had a choice in this. Plus, I heard her dad forced her into showbiz at a very young age.

[Tobias]

BTW, does anyone think she actually has some serious animosity for most of Disney's original animated properties and she is purposefully staying with Disney so she can get the mouse house with her insane popularity to bury their entire animation department forever?:shrug:

Billy Ray: Hey, Miley, what are we gonna do tonight?

Miley: Same thing we do every night, Daddy. Try to take over Disney World!

They're Smiley, they're Miley & The Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray

[Old Guy]

You're digging too deep in your doomsday theories.

Exactly. Power Rangers was insanly popular in the early to mid `90s, but you didn't see FOX Kids say, "hey lets stop airing cartoons." Disney's decision to produce less cartoons is as a result of them being cheap bastards. Plain and simple. These tween shows are cheaper and quicker to make. Heck, if you have to blame someone then blame Lizzie/Even Stevens which marked the beginning of this current era back in the beginning of the decade.

[Tobias]

Where is this 'Disney's producing less animation' thing coming from?

There was a point where Disney rarely made more than one animated series a year. In the Disney Afternoon era, we were only getting around new show a year. It was only around the turn of the century and the arrival of 'One Saturday Morning' that Disney started to really crank out the 'toons.

Now things are back to the way they basically were back in the early 90's: At least one new animated series a year: Emperor's New School, Phineas & Ferb, The Replacements, My Friends Tigger & Pooh, etc. Not to mention all the animated fare that Jetix has been cranking out, imported & otherwise.

Hannah Montana's popularity has NOTHING to do with Disney's animation deparment. You guys are just looking for an excuse to bash a show you don't like. HM isn't my favorite show either, but come on, we're all adults here, and no one's pointing a gun to our head and forcing us to listen to her albums, or watch her show, or follow her co-star's projects.

If you don't like Hannah Montana? CHANGE THE CHANNEL. There are literally hundreds of channels on cable these days, and I'm pretty sure that 99% of them are Cyrus free.

[Hanshotfirst113]

Excuse me, I'm not talking about kids here. I'm talking about fanbrats, the stupid teens that get suckered in. You obviously never met them but I have and they're nuts.

So what? And it'll pass as they move on in their lives. Ignore them. There are really bigger things to worry about.


Lots of people are nuts, but you don't have to live with or even acknowledge the Hanna fangirls, so why do you even care?

Thank you.


I'm not anywhere near a fan of HM or Miley Cyrus, but isn't that a bit harsh. Nothing in her performances that I've seen on Disney Channel remotely look like something Britney Spears did back in her heyday. She's certainly not ripping off her clothes on stage and that big photo issue of her from before isn't really that revealing at all. If this bothers you so much, then why do you continue on commenting it. I don't like HM either, but I'm not that upset about her fanbase or seeing her all over Disney Channel.

I am kind of surprised that she wants to stay with HM, in a way, since I thought she wanted to focus more on her singing career than on her TV role. Then again, that is what got her so much fame and she, like Disney, probably wants to keep that same fame for as long as possible. Makes sense in a business kind of logic.

Like I said, she also probably wants to keep things going until the movie comes out at least. She's kind of the "it" girl right now, so to speak, and she probably wants to try to keep her career going. It's smart of her to try to move beyond Hanna Montana so that when the flame dies, she'll have other things that she can do, but in the meantime, she should take advantage of what she has.


Regardless of whether the show is canceled or it simply ends the new season doesn't start till...November...I think. And with Disney's track record of having weeks in-between new episodes I wouldn't be surprised if they are still airing new episodes when the movie is released in May 2009.

I'd guess that that's what they want.


And......what if she isnt? What if she turns into a more successful singer/actress what have you?

More power to her.


Hate to say this, but I pretty much agree with Movie06 about Miley Cyrus' choice to continue playing her Hannah Montana role. Her insane levels of popularity is also one of the many reasons Disney TV animation is on the decline as of very recently.

BTW, does anyone think she actually has some serious animosity for most of Disney's original animated properties and she is purposefully staying with Disney so she can get the mouse house with her insane popularity to bury their entire animation department forever?:shrug:

WHAT? Conspiracy theory much? Disney airs whatever is popular and brings in the ratings. If that was animation, they'd be airing that. I seriously doubt that she cares about the animation that the did or do, or is responsible for the decline in animated properties recently.


What the... no. If she was, she wouldn't of done voices in Bolt and The Emperor's New School. You're digging too deep in your doomsday theories.

Thank you.


Exactly. Power Rangers was insanely popular in the early to mid `90s, but you didn't see FOX Kids say, "hey lets stop airing cartoons." Disney's decision to produce less cartoons is as a result of them being cheap bastards. Plain and simple. These tween shows are cheaper and quicker to make. Heck, if you have to blame someone then blame Lizzie/Even Stevens which marked the beginning of this current era back in the beginning of the decade.

Indeed, the X-Men animated series was one of FOX Kids' biggest hits.


Where is this 'Disney's producing less animation' thing coming from?

There was a point where Disney rarely made more than one animated series a year. In the Disney Afternoon era, we were only getting around new show a year. It was only around the turn of the century and the arrival of 'One Saturday Morning' that Disney started to really crank out the 'toons.

Now things are back to the way they basically were back in the early 90's: At least one new animated series a year: Emperor's New School, Phineas & Ferb, The Replacements, My Friends Tigger & Pooh, etc. Not to mention all the animated fare that Jetix has been cranking out, imported & otherwise.

Hannah Montana's popularity has NOTHING to do with Disney's animation deparment. You guys are just looking for an excuse to bash a show you don't like. HM isn't my favorite show either, but come on, we're all adults here, and no one's pointing a gun to our head and forcing us to listen to her albums, or watch her show, or follow her co-star's projects.

If you don't like Hannah Montana? CHANGE THE CHANNEL. There are literally hundreds of channels on cable these days, and I'm pretty sure that 99% of them are Cyrus free.

A VOICE OF REASON!

[Old Guy]

There was a point where Disney rarely made more than one animated series a year. In the Disney Afternoon era, we were only getting around new show a year. It was only around the turn of the century and the arrival of 'One Saturday Morning' that Disney started to really crank out the 'toons.

Perhaps, but atleast they had enough cartoons for syndication (Disney Afternoon), CBS, ABC, and the Disney Channel. Now, it seems like they are more devoted to the tween shows. I mean, they don't even air the old Mickey Mouse (and etc) cartoons anymore which they used to air A LOT of back in the `90s.

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Yeah, but NO ONE really airs old cartoons like they did back in the 90's either. Back in the 90's both Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network had a lot of branching out of the classic Looney Toon shorts (moreso Cartoon Network) that dosen't exisit at all now. That's because popular classic cartoons aren't popular nowadays. Thanks to digital age kids just don't have an apprecation for those kind or execs feel like they shoudln't thus why they don't bother showing them at all. Really Disney shouldn't be singled out for doing this since CN and Nick did it too: Yeah they might of been more technically Disney made but they were still considered to be unprofitable to show anymore. Really you can't blame Hannah since that pratice started before her show and popularity even came on. I do blame her and High School Musical for restarting the idea of pop music and TV show plotting going hand in hand and having an album as well as a hit show mentality but that's one of those fads that will probably die out once Hannah and Jona's popularity dies out. I did hear a rumor about there being some TV show dishing the dirt on how much longer Hannah Montanna had saying that it was rumored Miley was fed up with it and Disney was covering saying everything was fine but don't know exactly what happened with that.

[Antiyonder]

Thanks to digital age kids just don't have an apprecation for those kind or execs feel like they shoudln't thus why they don't bother showing them at all.

As we agreed on the AS thread, it's a decision based on the execs expect top results with their product. But I do have to ask why execs are against the idea of enjoying classic animation?

[DarthGonzo]

But I do have to ask why execs are against the idea of enjoying classic animation?

No one is against anything. If animated programming had the ratings and made the $$$$ that Hannah Montana does then Disney would be all about animation. It's all about programming what's most popular and makes the most dough.

LOL at all the conspiracy theories.

[Antiyonder]

No one is against anything. If animated programming had the ratings and made the $$$$ that Hannah Montana does then Disney would be all about animation. It's all about programming what's most popular and makes the most dough.

LOL at all the conspiracy theories.

I was asking for clarification of "execs feel like they shoudln't"

[Robin2099]

I was asking for clarification of "execs feel like they shoudln't"

They aren't against enjoying classic animation. But if your running a network and they say "Show A is getting great ratings and we want something like it." Saying"lets show classic animation which for the most point wont appeal to any under 25" won't keep their job for them.

[Antiyonder]

They aren't against enjoying classic animation. But if your running a network and they say "Show A is getting great ratings and we want something like it." Saying"lets show classic animation which for the most point wont appeal to any under 25" won't keep their job for them.

But we've seen several programs that are a success with the younger audience. I'm still going with the theory that execs have high expectations today and old animation for the most part fails their expectations.

[Tay the Cat]

Doesn't necessarily mean she had a choice in this. Plus, I heard her dad forced her into showbiz at a very young age.
Both of those being completely false.

[DarthGonzo]

But we've seen several programs that are a success with the younger audience. I'm still going with the theory that execs have high expectations today and old animation for the most part fails their expectations.

Ugh.

If "old animation" made the kind of money and had the kind of ratings that stuff like Hannah Montana does then "old animation" would be all over the place right now. It has nothing to do with expectations and everything to do with what makes money.

No one is against anything. There's no big conspiracy. There is no need for theories. This is all very simple if you look at it logically. Why in the world woulld Disney need to keep re-airing old animated shorts and TV shows when their newest live action programming is making boatloads of cashola and are currently the biggest kid's franchises out there?

[Antiyonder]

No one is against anything. There's no big conspiracy. There is no need for theories.

Unless high expectations equal conspiracy, I don't recall making a conspiracy theory. And yes, expectations do figure into the equation. Last decade a show just had to simply produce stable ratings and it was considered a network keepsake, whereas today shows have to be a the top of the chart to be taken seriously.

Conspiracy theories are when you accuse a person or more of intentional spite. When I talk about a network having high expectations I consider it more impatient and a bit immature, but not malicious. Give me some credit here.


This is all very simple if you look at it logically. Why in the world woulld Disney need to keep re-airing old animated shorts and TV shows when their newest live action programming is making boatloads of cashola and are currently the biggest kid's franchises out there?

I'm not saying that it's necessary for old cartoons to dominate the networks, but to at least have a small handful of them on the air (whether it's a seperate slot or rotation). There is room for at least a couple.

Plus, the newer shows would last longer if they weren't burned out so fast, thus older programs serve a purpose of keeping the viewers busy until the new episodes of a current show.

[Blackstar]

I'm not saying that it's necessary for old cartoons to dominate the networks, but to at least have a small handful of them on the air (whether it's a seperate slot or rotation). There is room for at least a couple.

In a perfect world, Disney Channel would run the cartoons at least 3 times a day and the live action kidcoms would only be but a 2-3 hour block on the channel. Sadly, one kidcom catches on, and suddenly, the entire prime time lineup is nothing but kidcoms. Hanna Montana won't last forever, but you can bet your bippy that Disney is already working on what will be the next ratings grabbing kidcom.

[Antiyonder]

In a perfect world, Disney Channel would run the cartoons at least 3 times a day and the live action kidcoms would only be but a 2-3 hour block on the channel. Sadly, one kidcom catches on, and suddenly, the entire prime time lineup is nothing but kidcoms. Hanna Montana won't last forever, but you can bet your bippy that Disney is already working on what will be the next ratings grabbing kidcom.

Understandable that they would milk a popular franchise, but wouldn't a long lasting one be worth more of an investment? Or is there a factor I don't understand.

[Silverstar]

While it's true that these live-action kidcoms on average only have a lifespan of about 3 or at a stretch 4 years, given that they can only last as long as their stars can still be considered kids, at the same time, Disney and other studios produce these shows at such an assembly-line fashion that they're sure to have another series waiting in the wings when the previous one is done with. Also, live-action shows are cheaper and quicker to produce than animated shows; all you have to do is hire some actors, pick out a few sets and shoot them with a camera. Animated shows, by contrast, have to be drawn, designed, animated (most likely overseas), voices and sound have to be recorded, and all the while deadlines have to be reached.

Ultimately, the only factor the Suits care about is what sells. Like DG said, we're seeing a ton of tweencoms right now because they're hot sellers and surefire ratings grabbers. When (or if) animation, be it old or new, catches on and strikes gold, then we'll see a bunch of cartoons on Disney Channel again. If cooking shows or dance party shows suddenly catch on, then that's what we'll see a lot of. For now, Disney's big brass feels that the 1 or 2 animated shows which come out per year on TDC are enough to tide the cartoon fans over while they continue to rake in the jack with their kid-centric TV shows and movies.

[Gokou Ruri]

While it's true that these live-action kidcoms on average only have a lifespan of about 3 or at a stretch 4 years, given that they can only last as long as their stars can still be considered kids, at the same time, Disney and other studios produce these shows at such an assembly-line fashion that they're sure to have another series waiting in the wings when the previous one is done with. Also, live-action shows are cheaper and quicker to produce than animated shows; all you have to do is hire some actors, pick out a few sets and shoot them with a camera. Animated shows, by contrast, have to be drawn, designed, animated (most likely overseas), voices and sound have to be recorded, and all the while deadlines have to be reached. Disney's made quite a few more animated shows since 2000 than live-action shows, actually.

[TMC1982]

While it's true that these live-action kidcoms on average only have a lifespan of about 3 or at a stretch 4 years, given that they can only last as long as their stars can still be considered kids, at the same time, Disney and other studios produce these shows at such an assembly-line fashion that they're sure to have another series waiting in the wings when the previous one is done with. Also, live-action shows are cheaper and quicker to produce than animated shows; all you have to do is hire some actors, pick out a few sets and shoot them with a camera. Animated shows, by contrast, have to be drawn, designed, animated (most likely overseas), voices and sound have to be recorded, and all the while deadlines have to be reached.

Ultimately, the only factor the Suits care about is what sells. Like DG said, we're seeing a ton of tweencoms right now because they're hot sellers and surefire ratings grabbers. When (or if) animation, be it old or new, catches on and strikes gold, then we'll see a bunch of cartoons on Disney Channel again. If cooking shows or dance party shows suddenly catch on, then that's what we'll see a lot of. For now, Disney's big brass feels that the 1 or 2 animated shows which come out per year on TDC are enough to tide the cartoon fans over while they continue to rake in the jack with their kid-centric TV shows and movies.

This what's killing Nickelodeon (who has seemingly overrelied on stuff like "iCarly" in recent years) and the Disney Channel these days. Everything is so homogenized and formulaic. There's no longer a whole lot of variety or imagination because these kiddie channels like to play things safe. They don't want to take a whole lot of chances anymore because it's not a guaranteed instant money maker when compared to the stuff their airing now.

[Robin2099]

Understandable that they would milk a popular franchise, but wouldn't a long lasting one be worth more of an investment? Or is there a factor I don't understand.


Well cartoons in syndication typically run for about the same amount of time as live action shows so that isn't really a factor.

[Antiyonder]

Well cartoons in syndication typically run for about the same amount of time as live action shows so that isn't really a factor.

True, but many have had a long lasting appeal. Whereas Mickey Mouse, Bugs Bunny and Scooby Doo have had decades of popularity, I imagine only the fans would remember Hanna Montana, That's So Raven and Lizzie McGuire.

Besides, there are plenty of live action shows that lasted beyond their time (such as the sitcoms on Nick At Nite and TV Land).