Is ASA animes still being edited to Toonami Standards?

[Captin "Hank" Murphy]

Today, I read an articals at ANN that seems to make sence, and points out the obvious, that the old animes of Toonami and the animes of Adult Swim Action, are still being edited to Toonami standards. You can read the articals here about Outlaw Star/Tenchi (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/columns/KylePope/editlist75.php) , Pilot Candidate (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/columns/KylePope/editlist73.php) , and Gundam 0083 (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/columns/KylePope/editlist74.php) . Who else here belives that the Adult Swim Action Block should just be called the Toonami Action block because of how much editing they are doing to the animes?

[Chibi Kageboshi]

omg.... we have gone over this to many times.

[Killtacular]

Gundam 0083 is being re-editted to TV-PG as we speak. I mean, they're doing it in their spare time, so it will take a while, so I can't imagine they'll have fixed every episode immediately. Expect the next couple of episodes to be TV-Y7 edits(with a TV-PG square in the corner regardless, of course). By the second run, they should be less editted.

[SSJ_Gogeta]

Originally posted by Captin "Hank" Murphy
Today, I read an articals at ANN that seems to make sence, and points out the obvious, that the old animes of Toonami and the animes of Adult Swim Action, are still being edited to Toonami standards. You can read the articals here about Outlaw Star/Tenchi (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/columns/KylePope/editlist75.php) , Pilot Candidate (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/columns/KylePope/editlist73.php) , and Gundam 0083 (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/columns/KylePope/editlist74.php) . Who else here belives that the Adult Swim Action Block should just be called the Toonami Action block because of how much editing they are doing to the animes?

Umm... Those were edited a long time ago for Toonami and weren't edited back. Figure it out. The new show acquisitions will be edited to TV-14. Read the interview that is on the same site.

[Lonestarr]

Tenchi less edited? I hope so. Thank you for the good news. But it's kind of amazing the edits that weren't made when the show was on Toonami (the one that comes to mind is Ryoko saying "Damnit" on a Tenchi Universe ep).

[Killtacular]

......I don't remember saying Tenchi was being re-editted.

[ohmrbill]

Originally posted by Matt Wilson
Gundam 0083 is being re-editted to TV-PG as we speak. I mean, they're doing it in their spare time, so it will take a while, so I can't imagine they'll have fixed every episode immediately. Expect the next couple of episodes to be TV-Y7 edits(with a TV-PG square in the corner regardless, of course). By the second run, they should be less editted.

Wait a minute, Matt. Where did they say that they're still removing edits? In the interview I read, they only said that they did put some of the content back in; there's a big difference. Unless WS has specifically told you otherwise, I see no reason to believe that the current 0083 edits will be any less permanent than the CB edits.

[Killtacular]

Gah, I read that interview more closely and you're right.

I think that there's more than just two TV-PG episodes(5 and 7). Unfortunately, I won't know about any rating changes until CN.com puts up the revised, more up-to-date April schedule.

[dawnyoshi]

I curse the day Sean Akins ever set mouse-pointer on Tenchi. That sick...(calm down. Don't curse. be nice. Stupid consence.)

Well, Outlaw Star HAD to be censored anyway, but censoring the word kill goes a little too far, along with Wing and MS 8th Team. Oh well. Let us hope some day that CN will hear our plea to break out of this politically correct society known as standard American Telvision. :)

[Killtacular]

Well, he said they had put things back in ON THEIR OWN TIME.

I think he's suggesting that they they're splicing stuff from the uncut master with the editted master.. but it's kind of extensive, so, yeah, probably only the important episodes would be redone. One such episode features the bloody bloody death scene featured prominently in the Gundam 0083 promo.

[William C. Maune]

"I curse the day Sean Akins ever set mouse-pointer on Tenchi. That sick...(calm down. Don't curse. be nice. Stupid consence.)"

- Can you give some reasoning here? As far as Toonami standards go that was an excellent editing job. Sure, you lose some humor and nudity, but there wasn't really anything cut that affected the plot at all. Cut the guy some slack, it was actually one of his favorite series and I would say he treated it dany well.

[Captin "Hank" Murphy]

I understand, but the point is AFXanatos, that this is like being promised a new better product, but instead give you the same old product in a new detaled box(which many would consider a rip-off), and if it makes me a whiny brat to want what is advertised, then I truly live up to my signature.

[dawnyoshi]

http://www.smuncensored.com/

True Akins haters. No offense, but the man is a little too paranoid about being sued by the politically correct parents of society. Go there, search around, maybe something will pop up (honestly, I don't know where that little chat with Akins about Sailor Moon SS and other things).

EDIT: I found the section that talks about Sean Akins. It is in the editorials section, on the editorial called "Cartoon Network- The Hypocrite"

Now, I love Cartoon Network....but not Sean.

[TylerL]

Wow. You make it seem like one man is responsible for every decision that CN makes that affects Toonami.

...and Sean has every right to be afraid of being sued. Angry people have called CN over lesser things....and some have threatened to sue.

Not everyone's as tolerant as you or I.

[VinceA]

In the case of trials you have to also worry about the age of the judge & potential jurors. That's a lot more people and I bet a lot more would be of the mindset "Cartoons are supposed to be happy and bouncy (but not in the Plastic Little way)" than of the "kids won't be hurt by this stuff - and anyway parents - not legislation - are supposed to deal with this" mindset

[dawnyoshi]

Yeah, but if you read the article on SM Uncensored, Sean shows a lot of false facts he states. I can't blame one for being afraid of being sued. DAMN THIS SUE HAPPY GENERATION! DAMN THEM ALL! (lol)

[TylerL]

Since that interview's now gone, I only have about two points to debunk.

#1: No Uncut DBZ on CN - This is mostly FUNimation's decision. Why give away for free what people will want to pay for?
...also, like Sean said, it couldn't be run due to occasional nudity and the like. It would STILL have to be cut.

#2: No SuperS Promos - I believe I remember then saying a while back that they DID do SuperS promos, but they never aired for reasons beyond their control.
Like TOM said... "We're production, not programming."

As for the censorship guidelines, read the interview Jason did at ANN.

...as for that episode of SMS not airing, I don't believe it was Sean's (or anyone at Toonami's) decision.
Like Sean said... "[...]The disadvantage is also that we are part of the largest entertainment conglomerate on the planet. Now there are eighty people involved with each decision."

[Jake]

This is a dumb question, but when you buy anime DVDs, they usually aren't edited at ALL, right?

[ohmrbill]

Originally posted by Jake
This is a dumb question, but when you buy anime DVDs, they usually aren't edited at ALL, right?

Usually, they're completely unedited. Just make sure you don't pick one up that says "As seen on Cartoon Network."

[Lonestarr]

a) My mistake. At least I can get the DVDs.

b) Are you talking about the guy credited with editing the "Tenchi" eps for mass consumption. If so, his name is Sean Polinski. Just thought I should mention this; I am a credits nut.

[dawnyoshi]

Sean Akins is listed on the Toonami version credits as well. Take a look tonight.

Great points Tyler. I truly respect your speeking skills. It does make me want to take it back, but then again, I go with what I say most of the time. =P

[Jude Santos]

i only have one thing to say about people that dont like the edits: dont watch it.

[dawnyoshi]

Fatal? I normally DON'T watch cut animes unless it's very small or something that catches my attention anyway (Yu Yu and Bebop are great examples. Gundam is too, and so it Tenchi). However, there are times when I am forced to watch these. It gives me an opinion for the series (unless it's DBZ which sucks anyway in America cut or uncut) so I may voice out and be able to relate to others.

[Supernovametalstar]

I have a question. Forgive me if it's been covered already, but I don't have much time. But if they can show Cowboy Bebop with all the blood, killing, and swearing that I saw, why not just show the DVD version of Outlaw Star? It can't be that bad can it? Aside from some "damn, hell" and blood, what's the problem?

[Legato B]

Based on the first DVD set:

We see Melfina's butt two or three times (usually she's covered up anyway, and we can see butts on plenty of other cartoons). Gene is called a "space cherry" (they even use this term in the japanese dialogue). Lots of uses of s**t. Etc...

Nothing too horrible, but it costs a lot of money and takes a lot of time to re-edit a show. So I'm afriad you'll just have to buy the DVDs.

[Supernovametalstar]

Originally posted by Legato B
Based on the first DVD set:

Nothing too horrible, but it costs a lot of money and takes a lot of time to re-edit a show. So I'm afriad you'll just have to buy the DVDs.

Ha, ha, who said anything about buying the DVD? I only want to pick up the last disc. I was just curious as to why they wouldn't be able to show the DVD version. I know it costs money to edit and re-edit shows. I don't know why they're going through the expense of redoing Gundam 0083.

[Legato B]

You got me too. Well, it looks like they're mostly just adding back in some blood to 0083 - as far as I know, splicing some footage doesn't take nearly as long as re-dubbing, drawing "digital bikinis" and the like, etc. I think they're doing this as a service to the fans in their free time.

But I'm not Williams Street, so you'll have to hunt them down and ask them to be sure. :)

[dawnyoshi]

You never see Melfina's breasts either. She always has them covered somehow. They could simply blur over the butts and the frontal shot in the 2nd to final episode, cover up s**t, and there you go. ASA Outlaw Star. :p

[William C. Maune]

"Hate to say it Xanatos
http://www.smuncensored.com/
True Akins haters. No offense, but the man is a little too paranoid about being sued by the politically correct parents of society. Go there, search around, maybe something will pop up (honestly, I don't know where that little chat with Akins about Sailor Moon SS and other things).
EDIT: I found the section that talks about Sean Akins. It is in the editorials section, on the editorial called "Cartoon Network- The Hypocrite"
Now, I love Cartoon Network....but not Sean."

[indent]I finally got a chance to read that editorial. TylerL already said pretty much everything I had to say though. The two things he mentioned were the only things Sean was blamed for (and unfairly so) in that entire editorial. Most of it was blasting Cartoon Network in general, yet you say you "love Cartoon Network....but not Sean." I have yet to see why Sean Akins should be blamed for anything, especially Tenchi (You still fail to mention anything about how Sean treated Tenchi wrong in the least). Remember he is only one man. He may be in charge of Toonami, but he has executives above him at Cartoon Network, Turner, AOLTimewarner, etc.

[Kesh]

Originally posted by Jake
This is a dumb question, but when you buy anime DVDs, they usually aren't edited at ALL, right?

Depends on the title. Most won't be, or if they are, it's usually language edits (compare the subtitled Japanese track to the English dub, and you'll see lots of differences).

However, in a few cases, it's actually edited for content. There's a movie called Kite that has several scenes cut out entirely. Why? Well, because those particular scenes feature flashbacks of the main character being molested and raped as a child.

Under the current laws, that would probably earn the importing company a civil lawsuit, and possibly criminal action (though that's being put before the Supreme Court at the moment). So, out the scenes went. The only way you can get Kite truely uncut is to import a Region 2 copy from Japan.

{Edit} Silly me. I forgot to mention my source. This is one of the best sties out there if you want to know what kind of edits have been made to a show or movie.

http://www.animeprime.com/edit/index.shtml

[William C. Maune]

[indent]It should be noted though with that title (if I am remembering correctly from Answerman's column at animenewsnetwork.com) the directot actually prefers the cut version. The "uncut" version is not how it is intended to be seen, it's like extra footage that isn't supposed to be there. Sometimes things get filmed or drawn that don't work out so the director drops them from the final cut.
[indent]As I am a fan of posting sources when possible I looked it up. Here is the part of Answerman's column where Kite was mentioned:

Dear almighty answerman,
I saw kite for the first time and it was pretty harsh but then i learned from reading an archive answerman colum that the uncut version wasnt really uncut. If i wanted to see the fully uncut version would i have to get some kind of fansub? Can you tell me a realiabul place to get it? Thx

You'd have to import the DVD from Japan. A fully uncut version won't ever be available here in the states because we have laws against child pornography and Media Blasters would probably rather not be seen as the company who brought that kind of trash into the states. The director prefers the cut version; if I were you, I'd be happy with what I had.

[Kesh]

Originally posted by AFXanatos
     It should be noted though with that title (if I am remembering correctly from Answerman's column at animenewsnetwork.com) the directot actually prefers the cut version. The "uncut" version is not how it is intended to be seen, it's like extra footage that isn't supposed to be there. Sometimes things get filmed or drawn that don't work out so the director drops them from the final cut.

Interesting. I hadn't heard that. Thanks for clarifying.

[dawnyoshi]

I'm letting you win the debate Xanatos. I'm all out of evidence. :(

You make good points...as always...(0-2 now. goodie) lol

I just wish he would be more honest during some of those things. I remember reading the full chat, and he did lie during those. In fact, he overreacted. Oh well. It's the past. I believe improvements have been made. Now all we have to do is convince them that DBZ is a bad anime and that it should be taken off the air. (gets on flame retardent geat against any DBZ fans)

Note: This is becomming a toonami board discussion. Sorry. :(