Should I get a PS3 or an Xbox 360? [Archive]

Ben

07-23-2008, 06:13 PM

Draft

07-23-2008, 07:57 PM

I was sort of in the same boat as you. I really wanted GTA IV, but there is currently no version for the Wii. I caved in and bought a 360 after the price cut and having the extra money lying around. I felt it was a great decision. I've been able to paly a lot of games I wanted to get but couldn't since they weren't on the Wii (GTA IV, Halo 3 off the top of my head). Online multiplayer is a HUGE improvement over the Wii. Despite having to pay for it, it isn't as bad as I initially thought. It also has HDTV support (All the TVs in my house are 720P and over 37').

However, a majority of my points abotu the 360 are pretty much equal on the PS3. Here's what I say

-If you want a system with a huge library of great games, great online play, and you want to save a couple bucks, go for the 360
-If you want a system with top of the line technology at an expensive cost, and has some good games, go for the PS3.

Since it seems you will be going to another country possibly, the PS3 might work out better for you. But if online play isn't important to you, I think you should go with the 360.

If you do go for the PS3, I think Best Buy has an offer that you get $100 off if you get an HDTV 1K or over and the PS3

Jay

07-23-2008, 08:34 PM

Too tell you the truth it really doesn't matter at this point all the major games are on both systems.

Draft

07-23-2008, 08:36 PM

I think what you need to look at are console exclusives and how much the accessories will run you

Jay

07-23-2008, 08:50 PM

I think what you need to look at are console exclusives and how much the accessories will run you

I disagree each system has a few exculsives which isn't worth choosing one system over another when you think about it, when you finish the game,your reason for purchasing that system will feel rather pointless like i said before all the major games are on both the ps3 and 360."accessories " as long as you can play the system online with you get it those extra accessories don't really matter.It really comes down to which system is the cheapest.

Mynd Hed

07-23-2008, 09:44 PM

If you plan on going online, your decision will probably be informed by which one more of your friends have. Exclusives are very nearly a non-issue at this point; there are very few true (i.e. non-timed) exclusives on either platform at this point, and the ones that are present generally cancel each other out.

Personally, I'd be inclined to save a little cash and go for the 360, but if Blu-Ray is a selling point to you, then the extra money for the PS3 may well be worth it.

If you're a big fan of fighting games, especially of the old-school variety like the upcoming SSF2HDRM, it should be noted that the 360's d-pad is an embarrassing piece of trash.

sdp

07-23-2008, 10:03 PM

They both have pro's and cons. I'm also considering both and they both offer things I like.
However if you're buying another console for Rock Band then the decision is very easy, get a 360.

EscaflownePilot

07-23-2008, 10:18 PM

Foreword: I'm a Wii and Xbox 360 owner, and soon PS3 purchaser, and I consider myself a fanboy of nothing. Take from that what you will.

If I were to own only one between the Xbox 360 and PS3, at this point I'd choose the PS3 for a few reasons. The Linux (for videos and emulators) and Blu-Ray functionality are what I'm most drawn to the PS3 for right now, but in the coming months, the exclusives on the PS3 far overpower the exclusives on Xbox 360 for my tastes - namely, MSG4, MAG, Killzone 2, Little Big Planet, God of War III and Tekken 6 suit my tastes moreso than Gears of War 2, Fable II, Mass Effect 2, and Too Human (although Banjo-Kazooie does look pretty cool).

That, and what once was the main draw for Xbox 360 - Xbox Live - I'm finding really no longer deserves to be the big draw. Aside from some of the neat little integration things like Gamertags, you're basically paying for the same "sometimes really good, sometimes really laggy" service as free networks like PSN provide, which is rather frustrating considering you'd expect more for something that costs about $60 a year. Assuming you don't have gobs of friends playing on Xbox Live, you might as well choose the console with free online service - most games worth playing on the Xbox 360 both now and in the future will be available on the PS3.

So, unless any particular Xbox 360 exclusive really draws your attention more than anything coming to the PS3, OR you have groups of friends that play their games on Xbox Live rather than PSN, I'd really encourage going for the PS3.

However if you're buying another console for Rock Band then the decision is very easy, get a 360.Is there a reason for this? I hadn't heard of the Xbox 360 version being particularly any better than the PS3s, AFAIK.

Draft

07-23-2008, 10:24 PM

I disagree each system has a few exculsives which isn't worth choosing one system over another when you think about it, when you finish the game,your reason for purchasing that system will feel rather pointless like i said before all the major games are on both the ps3 and 360."accessories " as long as you can play the system online with you get it those extra accessories don't really matter.It really comes down to which system is the cheapest.

Not all major games are on the 360 + PS3. Halo 3 is a huge exception, as well as Mass Effect Series, Gears of War Series, Prey Series, Dead or Alive Series, Fable Series, Gran Turismo Series, Killzone Series, Resistance Series, Metal Gear Solid Series, Ratchet and Clank Series. The list goes on and on..

Accessories include internet. My only gripe about the 360 is that it has no WiFi built in, which is in my opinion is garbage, especially when the Wii has it built in.

It seems to be that price is no matter for the user, so that's why I didn't put in the price factor on the console itself, but more on the accessories. For 360, you have to pay for Xbox Live and odds are he'll be getting a Wifi Adapter, which would put the cost above the PS3 since I believe it has WiFi built in and online play is free.

Is there a reason for this? I hadn't heard of the Xbox 360 version being particularly any better than the PS3s, AFAIK.

Aren't PS3 DLC content delayed a week or something like that?

Jay

07-23-2008, 10:46 PM

Not all major games are on the 360 + PS3. Halo 3 is a huge exception, as well as Mass Effect Series, Gears of War Series, Prey Series, Dead or Alive Series, Fable Series, Gran Turismo Series, Killzone Series, Resistance Series, Metal Gear Solid Series, Ratchet and Clank Series. The list goes on and on..

PS3:Gran Turismo,Killzone,Resistance,Metal Gear Solid,Ratchet and Clank

X360:Mass Effect,Gears of War,Prey,Dead or Alive,Fable

Multiplatform games on both PS3 and X360:
Resident Evil 5
Dragon Ball Z Burst Limit
Madden NFL 09
Mercenaries 2: World in Flames
NBA Live 09
Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 09
Soulcalibur IV
NBA 2K8
TNA iMPACT!
Golden Axe: Beast Rider
Brothers In Arms Hell's Highway
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
Destroy All Humans! Path of the Furon
Lego Batman
Saints Row 2
Dead Space
WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2009
Tomb Raider Underworld
BioShock
Grand Theft Auto IV
Devil May Cry 4
Stranglehold
GhostBusters
Final Fantasy XIII
Lego Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
Tom Clancy's H.A.W.X.
Top Spin 3
Spider-Man: Web of Shadows
Street Fighter IV
WWE SmackDown! vs. Raw 2009
Fallout 3
Guitar Hero
Rock Band
Project Origin
Too Human
Prince of Persia
Alpha Protocol
Call of Duty: World at War
Beyond Good and Evil 2
Mirror’s Edge

The list goes on and on.

Desensitized

07-23-2008, 11:37 PM

So I want Rock Band. Since Wii Rock Band won't run on my Japanese Wii even though it's chipped (and it sucks anyway) this means practically speaking I have to bite the bullet and purchase, for the first time in my life, a SECOND CONSOLE besides the Wii.

The Xbox 360 (examining the currently price-cut version) will have other exclusive games I actually want to play -- Mass Effect 2, Lips, possibly Too Human -- and is cheaper.

The PS3 (I'm considering the discontinued 60-gig version with Emotion) has Blu-Ray, and if I get this new job I will be able to afford an HDTV. Also it's not region-locked, which is a big plus as I may be moving back to Asia.

WHAT SAY YOU, FOUNT OF WISDOM KNOWN AS TOON ZONE?If it's about Rock Band, then 360.

Harmonix instruments support cross-compatibility not found in the PS3 version (Because Microsoft is so adamant about it) except for Guitar Hero 3 (though the Guitar Hero 3 controller works on Rock Band... Freaking Activision. Sigh), as well as getting DLC several days early, and Rock Band 2 will be coming out a few months earlier on the 360.

The versions aren't much different, but the 360 version narrowly edges it out as the superior version.

Games like Mass Effect, BioShock, and such are really a plus. But since they're also going to the PS3, there's not much of a difference anymore.

I got the 360, because it seems to get all the games and (like the Orange Box) seems to get the superior versions of most of them. The online system works really well, and I've yet to actually run across any problems.

Strollymonster

07-24-2008, 12:14 AM

I own all 3 consoles. I've been using the PS3 the most out of all of them, but primarily for playing movies/tv shows off my external hard drive that's hooked up to it.

I was in your position at the beginning of the summer, and ended up getting both systems for $250 each used.

My current advice: hold off on buying anything. Both MS and Sony have given hints that they're rolling out new SKUs and new updated chip sets for their consoles.

If you can, hold out to October/November, when the Xmas season sales are gearing up and the deals will be best.

MJC

07-24-2008, 12:20 AM

I guess it depends on what you're looking for.

Personally I went with PS3. It had more games that I wanted (Metal Gear Solid 4 pushed it over the edge). Plus you don't have to pay a subscription fee to play online. And having a Blu-Ray player is cool too.

Junkion

07-24-2008, 12:09 PM

Get the PS3.

While we can't definitively name one console as having better multi-platform releases across the board, there's a clear winner among these four games: PlayStation 3 beats the Xbox 360 handily. Call of Duty 4 plays nearly the same on both systems, differing only in superior online integration on PlayStation 3. With Devil May Cry 4, the game is all-around better on PlayStation 3 (despite the horrendous installation process). Burnout Paradise emerges as decidedly better on Sony's system thanks to EA Criterion's decision to make it the leading version of the game. The exact opposite is true for Assassin's Creed where Xbox 360 beats out its PlayStation 3 counterpart visually.

Judging by what we've seen with these recent games, you may be better off picking up PlayStation 3 versions of high-profile multi-platform games for the time being. The notion that PlayStation 3 ports are inherently inferior to Xbox 360 simply doesn't hold water these days. Some games do perform worse on Sony's console--Blacksite: Area 51 has been plagued with performance issues, for instance, and The Orange Box suffers from groan-inducing load times and chugging framerates.

These issues are slowly being addressed, though, as many publishers are starting to churn out multi-platform releases with an eye for the PlayStation 3. LucasArts recently announced an initiative to make the PS3 their leading platform for development, joining a growing wave of developers seeking to improve multi-platform games heading to Sony's console. With any luck, this movement will result in better performance for all gamers, Xbox 360 and PS3 alike. For now though, just enjoy fragging terrorists, crashing cars, and slicing demons in half on your PlayStation 3.

OVERALL EDGE: PlayStation 3

http://www.gamepro.com/microsoft/xbox360/games/features/164668.shtml

If you want to play your games online for free you have no choice but to get the PS3. 360 demands payment to play online, which is the actions of scum.

Ben

07-24-2008, 12:39 PM

Wow, thanks for all the help! Let me go over the points being made... if I miss something important please let me know.

Console exclusives:

PS3:Gran Turismo,Killzone,Resistance,Metal Gear Solid,Ratchet and Clank

X360:Mass Effect,Gears of War,Prey,Dead or Alive,Fable

I have little to no interest in any of the PS3 exclusives on that list. I like Mass Effect, Prey and Fable, but I also already own them for PC (and their sequels are also coming to PC). The only two games I would really be disappointed about missing would be Too Human and Lips (because it's the same developer as Oendan/Elite Beat Agents, which I loved), and both of those are 360 exclusives.

Most multiplatform software I am interested in I will buy for PC instead, because I am primarily a PC gamer, so there isn't much point in comparing 360/PS3 versions of multiplatform games.

Rock Band DLC/2 release dates:
Not that important to me as long as gameplay is the same.

Online play:
The free PS3 online play is nice. And it does seem BS to make me pay for use of part of a game I've already bought, especially when I can play it for free on the PC anyway. As a jaded, friendless misanthrope (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation) I don't do much online gaming, but it might be fun to play Rock Band online.

Miscellany:
PS3: Linux, Blu-Ray, cool factor, regionless
360: Diddly.

This might be what pushes me over the edge to get a PS3 instead. Too Human MAY come to PC eventually and Lips might suck. (Though if it doesn't I can always do what I did years ago with DDR on the PS1, wait until a 360 can be had on eBay for $50 and buy it just to play Lips.)

Anyway, thanks everybody!

Classic Speedy

07-24-2008, 12:44 PM

X360:Mass Effect,Gears of War,Prey,Dead or Alive,Fable It should also be noted that some of those, such as Prey, Mass Effect, and Gears of War, aren't TRULY 360 exclusive, as they can be purchased for PCs. Yeah, PCs aren't consoles, but the point is, they're not exclusive to 360.

For me, I've already made my decision. If/when I buy a new console, it's going to be either a PS3 or Wii. And since Wiis are still hard to come by, I'm most likely going for Sony. It has Blu-ray support, a growing library of games, and more reliable hardware (apparently Microsoft fixed the rings of death, but I still don't trust it).

Mynd Hed

07-24-2008, 06:17 PM

Fair enough: if you have a gaming-ready PC, most if not all Microsoft exclusives do go there eventually.

Icer

07-24-2008, 06:33 PM

I own all three as well, let me break it down for you quite easily.

360
Online gaming, Shooters, good party XBLA games, all-around gets the best games.

PS3
Blu Ray movies, up and comer in online games, innovative single player PSN games, gets most of the same games as 360, with a few exclusives tipping favor either way.

Wii
Local multiplayer, Retro games, very slow with games and by far the worst off with ports and titles that go multi platform.

With that said, I'd rank them 360 a wedge above Ps3 and both substantially better than Wii for a "gamer" per se. The Wii is a very casual and multiplayer experience.

EroSennin

07-25-2008, 09:35 PM

Has microsoft fixed the Red Ring of death yet? Because if not that should also factor into any decision. From what ive read the 360s has been prone to malfunction while the PS3 has been pretty stable.

Tommy Lawson

07-25-2008, 09:47 PM

The 360 also is said to have a noisy DVD drive when it runs. The PS3 is said to run more quietly, but I still get a significant amount of fan noise from it when it is running. The most common cause of PS3 malfunctions is with the laser reading the Blu-ray discs from what I have read about it. You also don't need to purchase a rechargeable battery for the Dualshock 3 or Sixaxis as the system comes with a USB cable for recharging.

Goodfellow

07-26-2008, 12:20 AM

PS3 for six simple reasons.

-Blu-Ray
-the controllers have built in recharcheable batteries
-built in Wi-Fi
-better exclusives and they believe in Action games (Uncharted, God of War, MGSIV, Heavenly Sword) unlike MS' FPS fix
-free online play
-most importantly, the machine DOES NOT break down every 3 months

Oh yeah, and did I mention that PS3 does not get the red lights of death?:p

River26

07-26-2008, 01:18 AM

On the contrary. Did you think of the following?

- 360 has Several RPG games under it's library (PS3 has hardly at all)
- Final Fantasy XIII won't (I repeat) WON'T be coming to the U.S PS3. But Japanese PS3s
- 360 will get The Last Remnant first (November 20th, 2008)
- 360 will have Tales of Vesperia (either August 19 or the 26th)
- GT Voted Microsoft as the Winner of the Press Conferences
- 360 Gamers WILL get a chance at Final Fantasy XIII in the North American/European regions (not my words, but Square Enix's Yoichi Wada and the trailer)
- Lower Price ($299)
- Your Last Remnant has been announced. However, it's been pinned a TBA

Space Lion

07-26-2008, 01:40 AM

- Final Fantasy XIII won't (I repeat) WON'T be coming to the U.S PS3. But Japanese PS3s
...

Desensitized

07-26-2008, 01:42 AM

- Final Fantasy XIII won't (I repeat) WON'T be coming to the U.S PS3. But Japanese PS3sGot that backwards.

FFXIII won't be coming to Japanese 360s.

Mynd Hed

07-26-2008, 01:53 AM

- Final Fantasy XIII won't (I repeat) WON'T be coming to the U.S PS3. But Japanese PS3s

Umm... yes it will?

- 360 will get The Last Remnant first (November 20th, 2008)

Bah for timed exclusives. Patience is your friend.

- GT Voted Microsoft as the Winner of the Press Conferences

That's very nice for Microsoft, but doesn't seem to have much bearing on choice of consoles.

- 360 Gamers WILL get a chance at Final Fantasy XIII in the North American/European regions (not my words, but Square Enix's Yoichi Wada and the trailer)

Right, meaning that FFXIII is neither an advantage nor a disadvantage for either side of the debate. That's what we call a "non-issue," kids.

Ben

07-26-2008, 03:59 AM

Unless I get it for free, there is no chance I'm playing Final Fantasy XIII anyway. I similarly am never playing an FPS on a console. At least not until they get something that can beat a mouse and keyboard.

(OK, I did play Resident Evil 4 on the Wii, but that control scheme actually DID beat a mouse and a keyboard. Then again, there's no way a regular gamepad is ever pulling that off.)

I decided to go with the PS3 60-gig with the Emotion Engine now before they all disappear. I'll let you guys know how things turn out!

Thanks!

Goodfellow

07-26-2008, 01:57 PM

On the contrary. Did you think of the following?

- 360 has Several RPG games under it's library (PS3 has hardly at all)

I will always consider an action game superior because you don't have to sit there, wait your turn to attack, then choose from a list of confusing options, etc. In DMC, it is a simple slash hack slash hack shoot. There is no thinking necessary like, "OKay, so on this round, I can hit this guy, but what if the next turn he pulls off a move that takes the rest of my health. Maybe I should use a healing spell even though I still have more than half of my health. Well, maybe I should..."

Besides, the only RPGs I care about is Final Fantasy and Shin Megami Tensei, and SMT is exclusive to Sony.

- Final Fantasy XIII won't (I repeat) WON'T be coming to the U.S PS3. But Japanese PS3s

Uh... I hope you just worded that wrong.

- 360 will get The Last Remnant first (November 20th, 2008)
- 360 will have Tales of Vesperia (either August 19 or the 26th)

Who cares, both of them look boring.

- GT Voted Microsoft as the Winner of the Press Conferences

And that means they are automatically the best? GT seems to be more MS fanboys than not.

- 360 Gamers WILL get a chance at Final Fantasy XIII in the North American/European regions (not my words, but Square Enix's Yoichi Wada and the trailer)

So?

- Lower Price ($299)

The lower price is irrelevant when the machine breaks down every few months.

Mynd Hed

07-26-2008, 05:02 PM

Icer

07-26-2008, 05:30 PM

Only Microsoft has hard numbers on this, but based on personal experience, the newer chipsets found on recent production runs of the 360 seem far less likely to RRoD on you. As long as you keep your warranty information just in case, I don't think it's much of an issue any more.
You will get the RROD but by and large it is not as frequent as it used to be. 2-3 weeks downtime every year or two. With the extended warranty Microsoft put out on RROD its little more than an annoyance to new owners now.

Daxdiv

07-26-2008, 09:06 PM

I personally like the 360 better since it has more games I can play with, and the fact that my friends play it more, gives me a better reason to play.

BigLouMan20

07-27-2008, 01:20 AM

And this is why treads like this can never be created.:sweat:

River26

07-27-2008, 11:04 AM

I didn't get it backwards. It was even stated in the trailer that Final Fantasy XIII - Exclusive for the PS3 "Japan Only".

Final Fantasy XIII - For North America/Europe [360]

In anycase though. SONY's PS3 has barely scratched the surface of the "RPG genre". Where as Microsoft's 360 has had much better luck at the RPGs genre. From it's release [Enchanted Arms], up to recently [Spectral Force 3, Lost Odyssey, Eternal Sonata, Star Ocean: The Last Hope, The Last Remnant + Too Human].

EscaflownePilot

07-27-2008, 11:31 AM

And this is why treads like this can never be created.:sweat:Hey now, let's be fair, here - for the first 20 posts, this thread remained pretty objective and helpful, I think. Most forums wouldn't even make it to post #2 before being turned into a "system x is the best because game y is better than game z, you moron" kind of debate.

I didn't get it backwards. It was even stated in the trailer that Final Fantasy XIII - Exclusive for the PS3 "Japan Only".

Final Fantasy XIII - For North America/Europe [360]

In anycase though. SONY's PS3 has barely scratched the surface of the "RPG genre". Where as Microsoft's 360 has had much better luck at the RPGs genre. From it's release [Enchanted Arms], up to recently [Spectral Force 3, Lost Odyssey, Eternal Sonata, Star Ocean: The Last Hope, The Last Remnant + Too Human].We all know FFXIII is coming to the Xbox 360 in the US, but it isn't exclusive to the Xbox 360 in the US - it'll still be released on the PS3 in the US. I think you're misreading the "Japan Only" part - that means it will be a PS3 exclusive in Japan only, not that it will be released on the PS3 in Japan only.

Now, as for Mr. Goodfellow, up there: there's a difference between a personal opinion and fact. In threads like these, if you hope to be taken at all seriously, it's much better to simply state the facts (like which game is exclusive to which console) and let everybody decide for himself which is "superior" rather than forcibly push YOUR idea of what is superior on everyone else. Plus, saying things like "who cares, both of them look boring" is just plain rude.

Daxdiv

07-27-2008, 11:59 AM

Well to be fair, I don't see anything worthwild to justify a purchase on the PS3 at the moment. I don't care about Blu Ray, I will only care about it if replaces DVD as the new format that everyone must have in there house seeing that companies aren't putting out DVD anymore. I haven't gotten to play any MSG games yet, so I can't say that MGS4 is a definite purchase. I do want some 1st party games they have like Resistance, GoW3, Infamous, Ratchet and Clank, but I am a strong believer that third party support can make or break a system. I don't spend that much money or time on 3rd party Wii titles, I only have a few in my library those titles at the moment are "No More Heroes," "Zack and Wiki" and "One Piece". While PSN is free and Live cost $50 a year at the least, but with Live getting a major overhaul in the Fall, I have to wait, see and experience it before I can judge it first hand. I just prefer the point system since I could just go out and buy a point card than rather punching in my credit card number to purchase something.

Another thing I do like is the Achievement system since it does make me do thing I normally wouldn't do in games unless I was bored. Sure the PS3 is starting this with Trophies, but I love a good competition with my friends to see who can 1,000 a game first.

Also it seems that some console developers spend time on the 360 version as their main built for a game, then focus on the PS3 version. COD4 variety map pack was delayed on the PS3, Microsoft payed off Rockstar for some DLC for GTA IV to be 360 exclusive, the Orange Box got some better treatment on the 360 than the PS3.

BigLouMan20

07-27-2008, 09:40 PM

Hey now, let's be fair, here - for the first 20 posts, this thread remained pretty objective and helpful, I think. Most forums wouldn't even make it to post #2 before being turned into a "system x is the best because game y is better than game z, you moron" kind of debate.

You are correct on that. 20 posts is the new record before becoming another episode of attack of the fanboys.:)

defunctzombie

07-27-2008, 09:59 PM

I have a question that seems fit to ask here before I buy one: do you have to hook either console to the internet to run games? Because I have no router.

Strollymonster

07-27-2008, 09:59 PM

You are correct on that. 20 posts is the new record before becoming another episode of attack of the fanboys.:)

The true solution is to own every console, anyways.

I have a question that seems fit to ask here before I buy one: do you have to hook either console to the internet to run games? Because I have no router.

Usually, no. However, if you buy an older version of a console, you may have to update your firmware, which could require you to connect to the internet.

If you have Wi-Fi, it's not an issue for the Wii or PS3 (assuming you don't have the 1st-gen 20-gig model). The 360 would be trickier, though, since the Wi-Fi is only in the Elite model, I believe.

Bird Boy

07-28-2008, 12:04 AM

If you have Wi-Fi, it's not an issue for the Wii or PS3 (assuming you don't have the 1st-gen 20-gig model). The 360 would be trickier, though, since the Wi-Fi is only in the Elite model, I believe.

In the case of Wii and PS3 firmware updates, there are a couple ways around this.

The newest Wii first party games come with the latest (as of their pressing) Wii firmware. For PS3 you can download the firmware online and slap it on a USB drive and plug it into the PS3 to peform the update. I actually prefer doing it that method with the PS3 anyway. At least I can closely watch the firmware DL and make sure it finished so that it doesn't try wiping the PS3 firmware with an incomplete download (which would result in a nice, shiny brick).

As for my comments on the debate...honestly, I've become quite a fan of the PS3 in the short time I've owned it. It's performance as a general media player is absolutely fantastic. On top of that I've heard 360's in rooms before and they're loud as hell, but aside from some gentle fan noise, the PS3 really doesn't make much of a soundprint in my room.

I had plans to get a 360 over a PS3, but something pulled me over to the PS3 side. Not to mention it loves Bluetooth devices. I was lamenting the lack of headset while playing Burnout online the other night, only to realize that my Bluetooth headset for use with phones worked with the console. Nice.

-BB