WB cartoon ideas that were never made

[PF9]

I have some ideas for some cartoons that Warner Bros. should have made in the golden age.

*A Sylvester/Tweety cartoon in which their owner (as pets) is Elmer Fudd (every time Sylvester tries to eat Tweety, Elmer stops him)
*A cartoon where Sylvester chases Tweety, Speedy AND Hippety Hopper (premise: Granny, Sylvester, Sylvester Jr., and Tweety are all going on vacation to Mexico. Sylvester wants to eat Tweety, but at the same time must also deal with Granny and a mice problem courtesy of Speedy Gonzales - with Hippety Hopper around, Sylvester Jr. is here to help too)
*A Wile E. Coyote/Road Runner cartoon also starring Bugs and Taz (the latter teams up with Coyote to get their respective meals - Road Runner and Bugs, and Wile E. speaks too!)
*A "remake" of Baseball Bugs - but dealing with football instead!
*A cartoon where Daffy and Porky are up against Yosemite Sam

If you have any ideas, post!

[Toony Loon]

Hare Born
Bugs Bunny boards Yosemite Sam's airship and causes problems!
Whoa is Me
A Road Runner cartoon.
Zip, Zap, Zoom!
A Road Runner Cartoon.
Fun With Duck & Jane
Daffy Duck babysits a little wolf.
Yellow Brick Rodent
Witch Hazel chases Speedy Gonzales through Oz.
Jungle Jeepers
A hungry lion chases the Mynah Bird (from the Inki cartoons) through a jungle.
Bat to the Bone
Bugs Bunny encounters a Dracula-esque vampire.
Damen und Herring
A fisherman encounters a Nazi fish.
Taxis and Allies
Daffy Duck tries to open a taxi service.
A Feud Too Many
Granny forces Sylvester and Hector to try and make up.

[Tobias]

The original CARTOON ALL STARS TO THE RESCUE

Bugs Bunny, Popeye, Betty Boop, Tom & Jerry, and other golden age characters band together for a short film to show a teenager what to do in the event of a nuclear strike. It involves hiding under a desk or covering your head in some fashion if you can't get to a bomb shelter. The main villain would a Hitler-esque Atomic Monster.

[Looneytunes]

Here are some of my ideas:

"Cowboys and hunters unite" (Elmer Fudd and Yosemite Sam team up against Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck. They should also team up with Marvin the Martian and his dog K-9, the Tasmanian Devil (though I cannot see the Tasmanian Devil really communicating with anyone as friends), and other rivals that Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck have in common with each other, though I do not think Daffy Duck and Yosemite Sam really ever met).

"Cousins" (Ralph Wolf and Wile E. Coyote finally meet each other after finally discovering they are long lost cousins.)

"Sheepdogs and Wolves" (The night replacement for Ralph Wolf (George Wolf?) meets Sam Sheepdog, and the night replacement for Sam Sheepdog (Fred Sheepdog?) meets Ralph Wolf)

"Fairy Tale Catastrophe" (Elmer Fudd is a hunter from the "Little Red Riding Hood" story, he is looking for a wolf (not Ralph or a coyote substitute, such as Wile), so he goes to Little Red Riding Hood's grandmother's house; the grandmother is Granny. Meanwhile, Witch Hazel searches for Hansel and Gretel, who ran away from her into the woods, and she goes to Granny's house. Witch Hazel and Granny meet, and Yosemite Sam comes into Granny's house searching for a fair maiden, while instead, he becomes infatuated with Granny again.)

"Sylvester's Dog Problem" (Hector, Mark Anthony, the bulldog from the episode "Room and Bird", the Barnyard Dog, and Charlie Dog all team up against Sylvester. To get back at the dogs, Sylvester must get his son, Sylvester Junior to help him out, so Sylvester Junior gets whoever he can to help out.)

"Cat Got Your Tongue?" (Tweety, Speedy Gonzales, and Hippety Hopper team up against Sylvester.)

"Hunters Get Your Gun" (There is a hunting contest, and Elmer Fudd and Porky Pig sign up, neither of them know that the other has signed up, but trouble arises when Bugs and Daffy cause havoc for them).

"The Trouble with Birds" (Foghorn Leghorn and Beaky Buzzard meet each other.)

"Sylvester in Love" (Sylvester and Felipe fall in love, but Pepe Le Pew has a problem with this.)

"Bugs and Daffy: Bachelors for Life" (Petunia Pig tries to find dates for Bugs and Daffy, and all of the dates fail, but maybe Bugs and Daffy are not meant for relationships, or maybe they have not found those perfect partners, yet. As a side note, I know Bugs met Lola in "Space Jam", but "Space Jam" is canonical.)

Here are some other Warner Bros. ideas that do not relate to "Looney Tunes" entirely.

"It is better to joke than to smoke" (This is very similar to "Cartoon All Stars to the Rescue", but instead of helping a boy who has a smoking problem, W.B. cartoon characters help a girl with a drinking problem. I think that there should be W.B. characters in the short, but some other cartoon characters as well that are not part of the W.B., such as Mickey and Donald (replacing Bugs and Daffy), the Snorks (replacing the Smurfs), Chip and Dale, Scooby Doo, Snoopy (replacing Garfield), etc.)

"Trouble in Wackyland" (This will be a "Tiny Toon Adventures" full length animated feature, of where construction workers decide to tear down in Wackyland, and the Do-Do bird and Gogo Dodo have no other place to live, so the "Looney Tunes" and "Tiny Toons" characters have to team up to save them. In this episode, the "Tiny Toons" characters who never met their "Looney Tunes" counterparts will finally meet them, and the Do-Do and Gogo Dodo finally meet, which is interesting, because Paul Dini acclaims that Gogo Dodo is the son of the original Do-Do bird who chased Porky in Wackyland, being the only "Tiny Toons" characters who is a direct descendant of any of the original "Looney Tunes" characters.)

"Shirley's Dates" (This is a "Tiny Toon Adventures" episode featuring Shirley Mcloon, Plucky Duck, and Fowlmouth Chicken. In this short, Plucky and Fowlmouth are both planning to take Shirley to a school dance, but Shirley has to decide who she will go with. This episode is a parody of the film, "Bridget Jones' Diary.")

"Mickey and Daffy, and Bugs and Donald?" (This will be a canon short featuring Mickey Mouse, Daffy and Donald Duck, and Bugs Bunny. Daffy Duck decides to team up with Mickey Mouse when all hope has failed with Bugs Bunny, and Donald Duck decides to team up with Bugs Bunny, who is just as cocky, vain, and boastful as he is. However, when the audience are uninterested with both pairings, Daffy goes back to being Bugs' friend and Donald goes back to being Mickey's friend. I am only mentioning this idea, because Bugs and Daffy met Mickey and Donald, respectively, in "Who Framed Roger Rabbit." Since I am on the subject, I will also suggest, Mickey and Pluto meeting Marvin and K-9, Mickey and Donald meeting Pluto, Bugs and Daffy meeting Goofy, the two Witch Hazels meeting each other, several of the antagonists of Bugs and Daffy planning to be antagonists of Mickey and Donald, as well, and the same applies for the antagonists of Mickey and Donald going against Bugs and Daffy, etc.)

Wow, this is a long post. Well, these are all of the ideas I can think of right now, but I will probably post if I think of more. Keep the ideas coming, they are all very interesting.

Looneytunes (Disneytoons)

[Blackstar]

"Trouble in Wackyland" (This will be a "Tiny Toon Adventures" full length animated feature, of where construction workers decide to tear down in Wackyland, and the Do-Do bird and Gogo Dodo have no other place to live, so the "Looney Tunes" and "Tiny Toons" characters have to team up to save them. In this episode, the "Tiny Toons" characters who never met their "Looney Tunes" counterparts will finally meet them, and the Do-Do and Gogo Dodo finally meet, which is interesting, because Paul Dini acclaims that Gogo Dodo is the son of the original Do-Do bird who chased Porky in Wackyland, being the only "Tiny Toons" characters who is a direct descendant of any of the original "Looney Tunes" characters.)

The Looney Tunes characters were teachers at Acme Looniversity, so the Tiny Toons characters have already met them. And as you say, Go-Go is supposed to be the son of the Do-Do from "Porky in Wackyland", so odds are that the 2 of them have already met. Just because the 2 of them have never appeared on screen together, that doesn't mean that they haven't met. It's a possibility that the original Do-Do may be dead, as Go-Go himself claimed to be the last of the Do-Dos in "Love Disconnection". Silas Wonder also said that Go-Go was the last of his kind in "Sawdust & Toonsil".

Also, "acclaim" and "claim" don't mean the same thing.


"It is better to joke than to smoke" (This is very similar to "Cartoon All Stars to the Rescue", but instead of helping a boy who has a smoking problem, W.B. cartoon characters help a girl with a drinking problem. I think that there should be W.B. characters in the short, but some other cartoon characters as well that are not part of the W.B., such as Mickey and Donald (replacing Bugs and Daffy), the Snorks (replacing the Smurfs), Chip and Dale, Scooby Doo, Snoopy (replacing Garfield), etc.)First, why would WB not include Bugs and Daffy? They were the only 2 Looney Tunes characters who were present in the the original Cartoon All Stars to the Rescue. Second, it's not really a Warner Brothers cartoon if characters from other studios are involved, now is it? ;) Why not just call it, Cartoon All-Stars to the Rescue...Again? Though seeing as how the last CASttR dealt with the dangers of marijuana (and not cigarette smoking, BTW), mere alchaholism seems kind of tame in comparison. It's practically a step down. Perhaps for the sequel, you should move on to crack cocaine or crystal meth.

[Eric B]

Since Hector always came to Tweety's rescue, I always said Sylvester should get smart and get a bigger animal to come to his rescue. I got the idea from "I know an Old Lady", since not only does the cat chase the bird, and the dog chase the cat, but the goat chases the dog. So Sylvester could get a goat to chase the dog, and then a bull could chase the goat.
This film would be very similar to "Fair and Wormer", where it is a dogcatcher who chases the dog, the dogcatcher's wife who chases him, Hubie the mouse who chases the wife, and Pepe LePew chases them all. Since it is about a crazy old lady, we could somehow frame it so that Granny is the one, who, not eating them, still nevertheless sics one after the other.

I originally conceived the idea for Tom & Jerry, using the "House the Jack Built" premise, since the cat chases a rat and not a bird. But this would be modified by adding a goat to toss the dog, and the cow to chase the goat, both to keep it consistent with the Old Lady version, and also to keep it consistent with Texas Tom, where the bull chases Tom, and thus would be on the same side as the dog (and the enemy of my enemy is my friend).
This story for them would be like an extension of "The Truce Hurts", where you have the three chasing each other at the same time.

So in both of these versions, the "teams" would be bull, dog and mouse or bird on one side, and goat, cat, and then either the ant Jerry chases in one of the new Tom Jerry's, or a spider for Tweety to chase.

[PF9]

More ideas from me:

*Bugs and Daffy put aside their rivalry as they start becoming even more like friends. The studio (Warner Bros.) realizes how much Daffy has suffered from being second fiddle over the years, and has him and Bugs co-star (with pretty much equal billing) in a new epic concerning the westward movement of the US. Unfortunately, Elmer Fudd is still hunting them down, and tries very hard to get them (but fails in the end).

*Sylvester teams up with the other cats that have tried to eat Tweety over the years (Babbit and Catstello, the orange and yellow cats from "A Gruesome Twosome", that black cat from "Birdy and the Beast") to finally try and catch Tweety. Using a complex plan (which involves using sleeping gas to put Granny and Hector to sleep), the cage that Tweety resides in is taken, and the 6 cats go to a hideout. Now it seems that Sylvester has finally won, right? WRONG!!! He and the other cats argue about who would get to eat Tweety, and obviously he is too small to be split apart for 6 cats to eat. Finally, a nationwide search for Tweety ends with the cats being punished severely as Tweety is retrieved.

*A cartoon where we see both Porky and Daffy going out on dates: with Petunia and Melissa respectively. Unfortunately, their time at the restaurant is ravaged by a hungry Sylvester chasing Tweety throughout the restaurant.

*An "Elmer hunting Bugs" cartoon that is interrupted by Marvin the Martian, who kidnaps the two for a study.

*A Duck Dodgers sequel in which another space hero that is played by Bugs Bunny teams up with Dodgers (Daffy) and the Eager Young Space Cadet (Porky) to stop Marvin from blowing up the Earth.

*A cartoon where Porky and Claude Cat (as Porky's pet cat) go somewhere with a spooky setting. Claude would be even more of a scaredy cat than Sylvester.

*A cartoon where Marc Antony and Pussyfoot must team up with Claude Cat to stop Hubie and Bertie from taking all the food in the fridge.
**On a side note, since all these characters (which were created by Chuck Jones) are closely tied together, I group all cartoons featuring these characters under the umbrella series title of "Household Havoc"

[Silverstar]

*Bugs and Daffy put aside their rivalry as they start becoming even more like friends. The studio (Warner Bros.) realizes how much Daffy has suffered from being second fiddle over the years, and has him and Bugs co-star (with pretty much equal billing) in a new epic concerning the westward movement of the US. Unfortunately, Elmer Fudd is still hunting them down, and tries very hard to get them (but fails in the end).

Bugs and Daffy are friends. And you could just as easily merely do a Bugs/Daffy/Elmer short set in the West without all of that side business about the Warner studio.


*Sylvester teams up with the other cats that have tried to eat Tweety over the years (Babbit and Catstello, the orange and yellow cats from "A Gruesome Twosome", that black cat from "Birdy and the Beast") to finally try and catch Tweety. Using a complex plan (which involves using sleeping gas to put Granny and Hector to sleep), the cage that Tweety resides in is taken, and the 6 cats go to a hideout. Now it seems that Sylvester has finally won, right? WRONG!!! He and the other cats argue about who would get to eat Tweety, and obviously he is too small to be split apart for 6 cats to eat. Finally, a nationwide search for Tweety ends with the cats being punished severely as Tweety is retrieved.It could possibly work, though it's a little too "inside". Not to mention overpopulated; the average short usually focuses its' attention on 1-4 main characters.


*A cartoon where we see both Porky and Daffy going out on dates: with Petunia and Melissa respectively. Unfortunately, their time at the restaurant is ravaged by a hungry Sylvester chasing Tweety throughout the restaurant.What does Sylvester chasing Tweety have to do with Daffy and Porky going on a double date? Those could be 2 separate plots on their own.

[PF9]

Bugs and Daffy are friends. And you could just as easily merely do a Bugs/Daffy/Elmer short set in the West without all of that side business about the Warner studio.

I know they are, but they also have a rivalry side, which would be gotten rid of in this cartoon.


What does Sylvester chasing Tweety have to do with Daffy and Porky going on a double date? Those could be 2 separate plots on their own.

Well, Sylvester and Tweety wreck the restaurant.

[DarthGonzo]

I'm sorry man, but most of these ideas are just really bad. Definitely not something you'd see in an actual WB cartoon. Way too many crossovers for my taste.

[Eric B]

*Sylvester teams up with the other cats that have tried to eat Tweety over the years (Babbit and Catstello, the orange and yellow cats from "A Gruesome Twosome", that black cat from "Birdy and the Beast") to finally try and catch Tweety. Using a complex plan (which involves using sleeping gas to put Granny and Hector to sleep), the cage that Tweety resides in is taken, and the 6 cats go to a hideout. Now it seems that Sylvester has finally won, right? WRONG!!! He and the other cats argue about who would get to eat Tweety, and obviously he is too small to be split apart for 6 cats to eat. Finally, a nationwide search for Tweety ends with the cats being punished severely as Tweety is retrieved.
There was a Sylvester & Tweety Mysteries episode that paired Babbit & Catstello with Sylvester (As well as the series bringing back many other lesser characters, such as Rocky & Muggsy, and even some not from the Sylvester & Tweety cartoons. I had wished they brought back the Gruesome Twosome as well. Though the cat who aids Sylvester against Hippety Hopper in Hoppy Daze is like the leader of the Twosome stripped of his Durante appearance; though keeping the color, voice and personality. Could well be the earlier model of him. The yellow cat and the black cat of Birdy and the Beast are basically the same character, recolored. The second one even reuses animation from the first.)

So it would be interesting for Sylvester to get those other two teams (his predecessors) to help him. (If you want a sixth cat, the most logical choice would be Sam).

[Looneytunes]

Well, I would rather enjoy more cartoon crossovers than lots of the cartoon stuff they are putting on television nowadays, also, just because it is a crossover idea does not necessarily make it a bad idea, just my opinion.

About two of my ideas:

"Trouble in Wackyland" - Some of the "Tiny Toon Adventures" episodes feature the Tiny Toon characters meeting their Looney Tunes counterparts, such as Buster meeting Bugs, Plucky meeting Daffy, Hampton meeting Porky, Montana meeting Yosemite, Elmyra meeting Elmer, Dizzy meeting Tasmanian, Calamity meeting Wile, Little Beeper meeting Road Runner, Furrball meeting Sylvester, Sweetie meeting Tweety, and Marcia meeting Marvin (I know she is his niece, but still). I might be missing some, but I cannot think of any other times where the TT characters meet their LT correspondents. However, it would have been nice to see all of the Tiny Toon characters meeting their Looney Tunes counterparts. I am aware the Looney Tunes characters are teachers at Acme Looniversity, but still. As for Gogo Dodo, he may be the last of his species, but I do not think this necessarily means that the original Do-Do bird died, because as you may recall, the same thing was said for the original Do-Do bird. I just suggested the idea, since the Do-Do bird and Gogo Dodo are father and son.

"It is better to joke than to smoke" - Bugs and Daffy are the primary stars of Warner Brothers, and if they are not in a crossover starring mostly W.B. characters, then it would be rather dull to not see them, but it would have been nice to see Mickey and Donald in the crossover, too. I mean, you did see Huey, Dewey, and Louie. In addition, I did not say it was solely a Warner Bros. cartoon. I also want to add I cannot remember the crossover very well, though I have it on VHS, but as I can recall, crack was in it, so that is why I suggested alcohol. As for the title, I am sorry, but "Cartoon All-Stars to the rescue ... again" is not sufficient for me, why not have an interesting title that does not suggest a sequel. A good example involves the two films, "Willard" (the first part) and "Ben" (the second part).

Other notes -

The idea starring Petunia and Melissa: I like this idea, but I really cannot see Melissa being Daffy's girlfriend, she was just a character put in "Baby Looney Tunes" to give gender equality, along with Lola and Petunia. If Melissa is a girlfriend by any means, then she is a canonical girlfriend, because "Baby Looney Tunes" is canon (ala "Space Jam", "Looney Tunes: Back in Action", "Taz" (TV series), etc.). I am not saying Daffy does not deserve a girlfriend, but I rather see him as a permanent bachelor, ala Bugs. In my opinion, it is more entertaining to see him as one then as someone with an official girlfriend, but having date episodes featuring him (and Bugs) with girlfriends is not a bad idea, either. Petunia, on the other hand, is and has always been Porky's girlfriend, so that is different, and not to be mean with any intent, but I cannot really imagine Porky being a bachelor for his entire life, he does not seem as "messed up" as Bugs and Daffy are to be single, I might offend.

About Bugs and Daffy resolving their rivalry, they "are" friends, but they are rivals, too, and their rivalry is actually quite entertaining. It is the main ingredient of their relationship throughout the entire series. If they did not have their rivalry, that would probably spoil everything for me. The same applies for Mickey and Donald.

Any other ideas?

Looneytunes (Disneytoons)

[Blackstar]

Well, I would rather enjoy more cartoon crossovers than lots of the cartoon stuff they are putting on television nowadays, also, just because it is a crossover idea does not necessarily make it a bad idea, just my opinion.

You know, I'm really getting tired of this "Everything old is good, everything new is bad" mentality that so many people here on the retro forum seem to share. Some of the current animated programs are actually quite watchable, if you old-schoolers would just give them a chance instead of writing them off as being "bad" before you've even seen them, but I'm too tired to get into that at this moment. Also, I never much like crossovers myself.


About two of my ideas:

"Trouble in Wackyland" - Some of the "Tiny Toon Adventures" episodes feature the Tiny Toon characters meeting their Looney Tunes counterparts, such as Buster meeting Bugs, Plucky meeting Daffy, Hampton meeting Porky, Montana meeting Yosemite, Elmyra meeting Elmer, Dizzy meeting Tasmanian, Calamity meeting Wile, Little Beeper meeting Road Runner, Furrball meeting Sylvester, Sweetie meeting Tweety, and Marcia meeting Marvin (I know she is his niece, but still). I might be missing some, but I cannot think of any other times where the TT characters meet their LT correspondents. However, it would have been nice to see all of the Tiny Toon characters meeting their Looney Tunes counterparts. I am aware the Looney Tunes characters are teachers at Acme Looniversity, but still. As for Gogo Dodo, he may be the last of his species, but I do not think this necessarily means that the original Do-Do bird died, because as you may recall, the same thing was said for the original Do-Do bird. I just suggested the idea, since the Do-Do bird and Gogo Dodo are father and son.The Tiny Toons characters have appeared with the Looney Tunes characters on several occasions. They can't meet if they've already met. Period. I honestly don't know where you're going with this.


"It is better to joke than to smoke" - Bugs and Daffy are the primary stars of Warner Brothers, and if they are not in a crossover starring mostly W.B. characters, then it would be rather dull to not see them, but it would have been nice to see Mickey and Donald in the crossover, too. I mean, you did see Huey, Dewey, and Louie. In addition, I did not say it was solely a Warner Bros. cartoon. I also want to add I cannot remember the crossover very well, though I have it on VHS, but as I can recall, crack was in it, so that is why I suggested alcohol. As for the title, I am sorry, but "Cartoon All-Stars to the rescue ... again" is not sufficient for me, why not have an interesting title that does not suggest a sequel. A good example involves the two films, "Willard" (the first part) and "Ben" (the second part).To be perfectly honest, I wasn't being serious when I suggested Cartoon All Stars to the Rescue...Again as the title, but do you honestly think that a title like "It's Better to Joke Than to Smoke" would be better? Why does the title mention smoking when the kid in your story has a drinking problem? Sorry, but that doesn't make any sense.

And the drug in the special wasn't crack, it was marijuana. I already mentioned that in my previous post. Weren't you reading?

Also no offense meant, but the fact that you don't remember the crossover very well is kind obvious. It doesn't seem like you've thorougly thought this thing through.

FWI, The reason why Mickey and Donald did not appear in CASttR is because they weren't on a high rated TV show at the time. Huey, Dewey and Louie were starring on Disney's DuckTales at the time, so they were used. But it's your ideal, so you're free to cast it anyway that you want.

[stephane dumas]

there was the cartoon "Hare Brush" where Elmer Fudd was disguised as a rabbit and Bugs was the hunter and Elmer tricked Bugs. I would had been nice to have another episode similar with Daffy Duck and/or Yosemite Sam.

[Silverstar]

I'm sorry man, but most of these ideas are just really bad. Definitely not something you'd see in an actual WB cartoon. Way too many crossovers for my taste.

Yeah, I was too polite to say it before, but since the cat's already out of the bag, I agree with Darth; most of the ideas I'm reading here just aren't very good at all. They're just endless uninspired multi-character crossovers and repeats of old formulas with the characters in them being mixed and matched (e.g. Elmer in a Sylvester & Tweety cartoon). This is some pretty awful stuff, I have to say.

[PF9]

The idea starring Petunia and Melissa: I like this idea, but I really cannot see Melissa being Daffy's girlfriend, she was just a character put in "Baby Looney Tunes" to give gender equality, along with Lola and Petunia. If Melissa is a girlfriend by any means, then she is a canonical girlfriend, because "Baby Looney Tunes" is canon (ala "Space Jam", "Looney Tunes: Back in Action", "Taz" (TV series), etc.). I am not saying Daffy does not deserve a girlfriend, but I rather see him as a permanent bachelor, ala Bugs. In my opinion, it is more entertaining to see him as one then as someone with an official girlfriend, but having date episodes featuring him (and Bugs) with girlfriends is not a bad idea, either. Petunia, on the other hand, is and has always been Porky's girlfriend, so that is different, and not to be mean with any intent, but I cannot really imagine Porky being a bachelor for his entire life, he does not seem as "messed up" as Bugs and Daffy are to be single, I might offend.

Melissa actually appeared in a few classic cartoons as Daffy's love interest. In "The Scarlet Pumpernickel" he must save her from being married to Sylvester. In "Muscle Tussle", she and Daffy are on a beach when a big strong duck tries to steal Melissa away. But Daffy wins in the end. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melissa_Duck)

And a few more ideas from me:
*Taz terrorizes a farm as he tries to eat all the animals. Among those on the farm are: Foghorn Leghorn, Daffy Duck, Porky Pig, Miss Prissy, Egghead Jr. and the Barnyard Dawg.

*A Robin Hood cartoon where Bugs is Robin Hood and Yosemite Sam is the Sheriff of Nottingham ("I'm Sheriff Sam of Nottingham!")

*A cartoon where Speedy Gonzales comes to America to help fellow mice Hubie and Bertie infiltrate a cheese factory (guarded by both Sylvester AND Claude)

[Jave]

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[SPTO]

I would have loved to see how a Elmer Fudd/Yosemite Sam team up would be like with both of them trying to get Bugs.

I don't know if this happened because they were both at one time property of the Fleisher (sp) studios but i'd love to see a cartoon where Popeye goes ga ga over Betty Boop and Olive Oyl gets jealous and fights for her man.

[Jeff Harris]

The Bird Hunters -
Henery Hawk and Beaky Buzzard both hunt the same chicken coop and engage in conflict and, eventually cooperation. Cameo appearance by Foghorn Leghorn in the end. Think Lenny and George but as birds.

It Came From Mars -
Marvin and K9 attempt to take over the Earth instead of just blowing it up. Their curiousity over everyday items get the best of them.

Daffy the Mangler -
A mad scientist (and part-time wrestling manager) captures Daffy Duck transforming him into a massive, gigantic beast who will take on the champ, taunting him all week long in newspapers and newsreels. The day of the actual fight . . . the formula transforms the Mangler back into that little black duck. Can he defeat the unstoppable champ?

The Hunting Hound -
Elmer Fudd goes to a pound and picks up Charlie Dog, who convinces him that he's the best. And he tries. And fails. Hillariously.

The Bell Hog -
Porky works at a hotel as a bellhop at a swanky New York hotel. He finds himself trying to impress this beautiful girl while dealing with numerous hotel guests, particuarly a rude movie star.

The Devil's Day -
A nature documentary-styled look at a day in the life of a Tasmanian devil. His hunting skills, his dining habits, his mannerisms, everything about him is analyzed, and the narrator finds himself becoming the prey.

100 Miles Per Hare -
Bugs Bunny finds a motor raceway built near his hole. A cocky Southern driver dares to confront the critter and finds himself facing him on the track (his sponsor, of course, would be Warner Bros [he does have a lifetime contract with them]).

Ever So Glade To Meet You -
Remember those travelogues of lands unknown to most of us? Well this would be one of those Tex Avery-esque Travelogues showcasing the Florida Everglades and the strange creatures found there.

The Mounted Puddy -
Sylvester, a museum guard's cat, never strayed from his duties. However, when a rare canary (Tweety) goes on display at the museum, Sylvester's urges to eat something "rich and fattening" gets the better of him.

Eau de Humanity -
Pepe Le Pew finds himself on a blimp pursuing a cat with a white painted stripe. What? Too soon for the title?

[Looneytunes]

You know, I'm really getting tired of this "Everything old is good, everything new is bad" mentality that so many people here on the retro forum seem to share. Some of the current animated programs are actually quite watchable, if you old-schoolers would just give them a chance instead of writing them off as being "bad" before you've even seen them, but I'm too tired to get into that at this moment. Also, I never much like crossovers myself.

The Tiny Toons characters have appeared with the Looney Tunes characters on several occasions. They can't meet if they've already met. Period. I honestly don't know where you're going with this.

To be perfectly honest, I wasn't being serious when I suggested Cartoon All Stars to the Rescue...Again as the title, but do you honestly think that a title like "It's Better to Joke Than to Smoke" would be better? Why does the title mention smoking when the kid in your story has a drinking problem? Sorry, but that doesn't make any sense.

And the drug in the special wasn't crack, it was marijuana. I already mentioned that in my previous post. Weren't you reading?

Also no offense meant, but the fact that you don't remember the crossover very well is kind obvious. It doesn't seem like you've thorougly thought this thing through.

FWI, The reason why Mickey and Donald did not appear in CASttR is because they weren't on a high rated TV show at the time. Huey, Dewey and Louie were starring on Disney's DuckTales at the time, so they were used. But it's your ideal, so you're free to cast it anyway that you want.


There is no reason to be so rude, you are most certainly entitled to your opinions, but please do not rip my ideas apart just because you do not agree with them. You do not need to agree with them, but please respect that I value them, and if you stated your ideas, I would respect them. I may not favor them, but I would not trash them, either.

I reread your post, and I have decided that I need to give you my opinions about your thoughts. I am not trying to do this to offend you or better myself against you, but if someone is trying to put me in my place, then I want to stand my ground.

To start things off, please do not make labels, I never said that if something is old, it is good, or if something is new, it is bad. In fact, I strongly detest some old shows, and I strongly enjoy some new shows. I am hip I can try out anything. I do know a million people who will devalue something just because of different appeal, for example if a show has old people, then only old people like it, and if a show has young people, then only young people like it, but they are wrong. Just because something appeals to a certain group, that does not mean some other group could enjoy it, and who knows, maybe if something is about old people, then old people may detest it, and if something might be about young people, then young people might detest it, to each their own. I may be a hypocrite, but at least I do not dismiss something by its certain appeal, I dismiss something by whether or not I think it is good or bad. If something is good to me, then it is good to me, and if something is bad to me, then it is bad to me, and if something that is good to me is bad to someone else, and if something that is bad to me is good to someone else, then I respect that.



Second, I am aware some of the "Tiny Toon Adventures" characters have appeared with the "Looney Tunes" characters on many occasions, but what I also know is that not every TTA character has had his or hers special moment with their respective LT correspondents. One example is the Do-Do and Gogo Dodo, and this is very interesting to me, because unlike the other characters, they are the only ones of their respective shows who are actually parent and child. I am aware that not all TTA episodes have to revolve around the LT characters, as I must admit, if they all were, the series would probably be not as enjoyable, but at the same time, it is something that rather makes the show enjoyable, no not enjoyable - interesting, at least for me. We get to see the LT characters as different characters in a younger generation, but living out their stories, though in somewhat different ways.

Finally yet importantly, I did have an assumption that you were not being very honest when you suggested the title, "Cartoon all-stars to the rescue ... again", but "It is better to joke than to smoke" is just an idea. I admit, it is not a great title, and I sincerely hope it is not a considerable title if there was ever a sequel to something like "Cartoon all-stars to the rescue", but I just thought of it, since laughter is the major essence of cartoon shows. I admit I was not thinking clearly, when I suggested the title, but I guess when someone brought up "Cartoon all-stars to the rescue", I was so glad that suggested an idea for a sequel.

I will also admit that maybe having a story with someone having a drink problem is not as significant as having a story with someone having a smoking problem, since it is actually better to drink occasionally than to usually smoke, but let us face it, both stories are clichés. If someone has a drinking or smoking habit, then it would be crucial, so watching something about drinking or smoking can be helpful, but there has been so much stuff about drinking and smoking that it is actually quite troubling to see that everyone can view your life story just by a click of a button.

I will also admit that when I was reading your post, I stupidly did not see you mentioned marijuana, but that does not take away the fact that the special while being about a smoking habit mentions marijuana, which is a drug and is not necessarily considered the same thing as smoking. However, keep in mind that I already mentioned it has been a while since I last saw the special, so please give me a little slack.

As for Mickey and Donald not appearing on the special, well it might be because they were not on a high rated television show at the time, as you mentioned, but I just presumed that it is the same ordeal as in "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" Someone said that Mickey and Donald could appear in the film, if they had the same amount of footage as Bugs and Daffy. I think that might also be the reason why Snoopy and Garfield did not appear together, along with license rights, but remember, some characters that originally belonged to their respective shows did not get to appear in the special. One obvious example is the other ninja turtles; Michaelangelo was the only one to appear in the special.


Well, as I already mentioned, I do not mean to sound brash, but please know I am not trying to downsize you by any means. I respect your opinions; just respect mine that is all.


Looneytunes (Disneytoons)

[PF9]

Some more ideas from me:

*A Coyote/Road Runner cartoon in which both characters enter a portal to Mars...they try to continue their chase as normal, but Marvin the Martian just can't help but to interrupt. This of course happens after Marvin falls for one of the Coyote's traps intended for the Road Runner.

*A cartoon where Elmer Fudd finally meets his ancestor...Egghead! And all sorts of trouble erupts when the two team up to try and hunt Bugs and Daffy. Kinda like a fourth entry in the "Hunter's Trilogy", but with Egghead too!

*A Pepe Le Pew cartoon featuring an actual female skunk (not Penelope with a stripe painted down her back). But instead of Pepe chasing the female skunk, it's the female skunk who chases Pepe! And we all know that Pepe would rather be the chaser than to be chased...

*A cartoon where Ralph Phillips has a pet cat...and it's Claude! And Claude will start making all kinds of demands from Ralph, especially at night, where Claude's neurosis kicks in.

[Classic Speedy]

Here's an actual WB cartoon that was never made: A Freleng cartoon from the '50s about Snow White. (http://thadkomorowski.com/2008/04/11/50s-frizin/)

[mariofan]

Missleading Title!!!

[dth1971]

Here's my ideas:

* A Pepe Le Pew cartoon where Pepe vacations in Montreal, Quebec, Canada (That's where most French live) and finds a group of cats who resemble skunks!

* A Tasmanian Devil cartoon where Taz fails to catch the Kiwi and gets advice from Michigan J. Frog but after a failed attempt to catch the Kiwi attempts to catch M.J. Frog! (Could have fit the 1990's "Taz-Mania" cartoon series!)

* A Bugs Bunny cartoon where he is married to Lola Bunny and are parents of an 8 year old rabbit boy with a married Porky and Petunia and their son and a married Daffy and Melissa and their 2 kids as Bugs and Lola's neighbors (Could be a Goof Troop knockoff series?)

* An Elmer Fudd cartoon where it is in the style of "Duck Amuck" and "Rabbit Rampage". But who's behind it? Bugs and Daffy, of course!

* A Road Runner/Wile E. Coyote cartoon where the Road Runner and Coyote stop chasing each other and become friends temporary for a day, but at the end they go back to the chase. (Makes you remind of when Tom and Jerry were friends in the 1975 New Tom and Jerry cartoons by Hanna-Barbera, huh?)

* A Bugs Bunny/Lola Bunny/Bunny and Claude team up cartoon.

* A Speedy Gonzales/Foghorn Leghorn team up cartoon.

* A Speedy Gonzales/Pepe Le Pew team up cartoon. (Yes, Mexico meets Paris!)

* A Cool Cat cartoon where Cool Cat meets up with 2 1990's Warner Bros. cat cartoon stars: Furball (Tiny Toons) and Rita (Animaniacs).

* How about a Looney Tunes cartoon with Slappy Squirrel from Animaniacs in it? Or Minerva Mink from Animaniacs in it? Or Fifi La Fume from Tiny Toons in it?

[EJLD4Ever]

Though not necessarily a "pure-WB" cartoon, as it uses other studio's characters, it is a VERY interesting crossover, a la Bugs' cameo in George Pal's Jasper Goes Hunting (1945). Here's my idea:

"Birdie's Got a Brand New Cat" (working title): Sylvester and Tweety meet up--for the first time--with Pudgie and Grunge--their near-doubles that debuted in the cartoon from the opening scene in Mrs. Doubtfire (and ironically they were created by a famous late WB director, click this link to find out who: http://www.cartoon-factory.com/cartoon_art/346517-Mrs.%20Doubtfire.html). As Sylvester chases Tweety and Grunge chases Pudgie, the two cats cross paths, bump into eachother, and unwittingly start chasing EACHOTHER's adversaries. Near the end of the cartoon, Tweety and Pudgie meet up and exchange a few pleasentries, Grunge explains to Sylvester who is whose bird, and Sylvester and Grunge finally team up to catch Tweety and Pudgie, but of course the birds outdo the cats.

This gives the Doubtfire toons a chance to get of the "one-shot-wonders" list (note: the authors in the link I posted invariably spelt Grunge's name incorrectly, "Grunge" is the correct spelling according to an interview on the Doubtfire DVD), and if anyone asks, Pudgie has "kicked the habit"! As for new voice actors (assuming Robin Williams does not want to return, what are your opinions? Rob Paulsen (Pudgie) and Maurice LaMarche (Grunge) seemed to be a perfect match IMO.

[Toony Loon]

FRIJOLÉS FREAKOUT – with Speedy Gonzales and Yosemite Sam
Speedy steals food for his friends, while getting past Yosemite Sam!
JUST LIKE PECKIN’ CHERRIES – with Tweety and Sylvester
Sylvester pursues Tweety in the Grand Canyon!
FLASH FLOOD FRENZY – with Road Runner and Wile E. Coyote
The desert floods and Wile E. attempts to catch Road Runner through means of water travel.
FILM FLAMMED – with Bugs Bunny and Elmer Fudd
Elmer Fudd chases Bugs Bunny through a film studio!

[Steve Carras]

I would forgo Lola or any "Silver" age ones and use these "colassic ideas", and pretgending I was around back then in an earlier life, here are mine, and I have some very weird ideas as to suppoting voices and such


IF STEVE CARRAS HAD GONE BACK IN TIME AND MADE LOONEY TUNES shorts..(which was the approach that the first psoter made..I like that idea rather than a post-Golden age revival...)
(everything FICTITOUS!!!!!!!)

"They Gny You Woodchuck": (MM) A gnu, who says "Feeling Mighty low" (he is voiced by radio's Candy Candido (1913-1997, a very popular comic of the time who used to say that), has to deal with a smart aleck woodchuck who "destroys more wood than a beaver". Codirected by Robert McKimson (!!!)voiced in part by radio comic Elliott Lewis and also by Stan Freberg when the first quanity has to go do the Jack Benny and Phil Harris radio shows), and ikn his pursuit runs afoul of a Mel Blanc voiced croc, and this Cinecolor short from 1949 has a running bit with a laid back wildcat who invents stuff, based on (now)( oldtiem radio's Lorenzo Jones (a comic soap), voiced here as on the show by future 1963 Disney "Merlin" voice (from "The Sword in the stone") Karl Swenson (1907-1978). Running gag is the alligator having to deal with the likewise catkerous gnu by putting on a scary pitbull mask, assuming that breed was around in 1948, and yelling in Mel Blanc's loud "Barnyard Dawg" voice POT BULLS PIT BULLS..and at the end the crocodile decides to make a carpenter of the woodchuck, and the defeated Gnu gets form bhis wildcat friend a gadget to hit yourself cartoonlike, and he goes "Pit bulls Pit Bulls" (dark ending)!


"Quacker Jack" (MM/technicolor). In my previous life, I, Steve Carras, ,lost Loonney director, did this Porky and Daffy only short where Porky makes a tire-jack-based telescoping pilgrim/hillbilly blunderbuss, the better to shoot Daffy with. But it goes haywire every time.

"From heron in". 1947 A dipey heron (a type of crane, IIRC) voiced by Mel Blanc with hgis nasal early Barney Rubble voice gtries catching a bug voiced by Billy "Busy Busy Busy" DeWolfe of radio and moive fame (he's the guy on the old 1969 Rankin-Bass "Frosty the snowman"; he's the pirissy, evil Doctor Professor Hinkel.).

And a thirties one
"Pretty Baby" (THE unreleased 1936 cartoon before Carl Staling stepped in) Mice play with dishes and sing the Warner Publishing and Cartoon song heard in too many of their shorts to count! (As in..."Everybody loves a baby and thatg's why I love you Pretty Baby")...Bernice Hansen and Tommy Bond play every ogther mouse couple.

DISCLAIMER!!!! EVERYTHING MADE UP!!! I'll try to make up some more.

[Steve Carras]

All righjty tighty as Foghorn Leghorn's Daws Butler-voiced Jackie Gleasosn s9undalike rooster "palsy walsy" siad in 1956's "Rah Rah Rooster"..I'm back wiht another idea..if I directed a 1940s Warner short
(Bear in mind that viertually none of the folks in general are alive..and that this is a fun "pout yourself in the past and imagine you're one of the great Looney cartoon direcvtors" thing..)

"Lamb Lamb Thank You Ma'am"--that is, IF that "Wham Bam" expression 9to take some more fun creastvie olicense) actually EXISTED bakc in the fortiews..
Imagined 1947 Looney TUne (we could do this with other studios stuff as well): Lucille Ball and oldtime radio regular Gale Gordon voices a hard-to-fool head sheep who keep[s throwing a wolf vocied by Billy Blethcer (aka those gruff voiced villians heard in many shorts, at Warner Bros. most notaly in Friz Freleng and Harman-Ising sopng and dance shorts, and Chuck jones's later Papa Bear characte rin those Three Bears shorts after Mel Blanc) out of the sheeop area. A fairy (voiced by Martha Wentwoth, a pioneering veteran radio actress who did a lot of stuff for Disney and a few others--she died in 1974 at 85, aboiut the same age and time of death as Carl Stalling),k using a witch voice, grants the wolf ways to catch lamb (think the actual Arthur Davis short at this time, the Sinatra/Crosby as domestic style birds face off with Sylvetser "Catch as Cats Can", (and the creaky voices "Godwolf", as we'll call her, does conjure some lamb but wants to see if the wolf, a kinda cross between Chuk Jones's "Ralph Wolf" and "papa bear' and any of those gruff characters, directed in an Art Davis/Tex Avery like weightless style,), tries time and time again to catch sheep musing the fancy dancy(:D) equipment. A set of then-uh, "revolutionary" pressure cookers (like the kind that Ralph WOlf's alter ego the coyote uses in 1952's actual short "Operaiton Rabbit') and suich, but in addition to the tough head sheep I conjured up with my weird imagination, a wiseugy ("Goofy Gopher","Grover Groundhog"--think Robert McKimson's actual 1946 short "One Meat Brawl) voiced by Stan Freberg, a sheep puppy actually, comes out and messes with you wolf in hte meadow. Finally after being trounced, he sees a fake sheep but hears a matronly voice.."henry"..(also Martha Wentworth..chekc out Sword in the Stone..she's Madame Mim, as I said, most of these save Freberg as dead, and this is a "time travel./What if" thing..sorry for any hard to understand elements of my post), talking in the somewhat matronly voice the actress sued in Disney's 101 Dalamations (there must be a few who know of these obscure radio/caroton voices..) who then has killed some sheeps (females do, too, at least in imaginative cartoons!) and then the Fairy Godwolf admits she set the tough villian up, to see if her was a pigeon - well, those sheep catching devices didn't WORK did they..? hee hee.. so the angry wolf and his mothert beat up on the "Godmother Wolf", and they go home togther./ Hey.,..Jones's Papa Bear won in a few shorts, so did Hanna-Barbera's Mr.Jinks! Besdies the wolf had served his near death sentence..

By the way, Robert McKimson WOULD have done something olike that. If using Sheldon Leonard,. Jim Backus, the Jack benny gang, and "Ersel Twing" (of the old Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy show) radio comic Pat Patrick as a goofy, hyper crow in that one Farmer Al Falfa knockk Corn Plasterd if ANY indciaiton..

Which reminds me, as Friz Freleng's Butler-voiced shoemaker in oine of those real shorts said..how about if some of the btter discvtive live actors (i.e.,Anna Faris, MIssy P:yle, Eugene Levy, or Christine Baranski--she's in that 2000 Grinch flick and in the current Mamma Mia--she's one of the best chafracters in that)--were (this could be another toipic) around in the 40s..they're ironically (for "non-cartoon' voices), as happens with non-leading types,l pretty distinctive..I can just see ANna Faris or or Missi Pyle--she reprised Shery Alberoni's Alexandra in that failed Rachael Leigh Cook Josie flick but has popped up a lot (She';s Jennifer Anniston's somewhat risque pakl in the 2004 hit "Along came polly", and was "Bridge to Terabithia/Because of Winn Dixie"'s Anna Sophia Robb's mother Mrs.Beauregarde in Tim Burton's remake on Willy Wonka--Anna Sophia herself reprised Denise Nickerson, one time Brady Bunch costar, and a "B" Pamelyn Ferdin/Brady Girls star of the seventies.) I can see, again, as adifferent topic, Missi Pyle used by McKImson or even Morgan Freeman, whjo's certainly bounced form support to star, like Jim Backus, but that is a different topic..

And I still haven't decided to place myself as "Steve Carras doing modenr day Looney tunes", since too many things have changed..but it's fun to dream! :D

[Zorak Masaki]

I always wondered why they never did a short dealing with rock music. I mean, they already did a good job with the cartoons about jazz, why not one about rock?

[dth1971]

I always wondered why they never did a short dealing with rock music. I mean, they already did a good job with the cartoons about jazz, why not one about rock?

I thought there was around 1968 some kind of Warner Bros./Seven Arts rock music cartoon with psychadelic moods under the CARTOON SPECIAL banner!

[Eric B]

NORMAN NORMAL.
I was trying to think of one, and for some reason had forgotten all about this. I was thinking of Banty Raids, but that's not "about" Rock & Roll, and perhaps Norman Normal might not count either.