LT & MM Page Update: More Blue Ribbon Insanity!!

[Jon Cooke]

Well, somebody had to do it. ;)

Visit the Blue Ribbon page on my site, and see the new gallery of Blue Ribbon reissue titles! It is actually rather interesting see the various BR titles used throughout the 1940s and '50s.

Plus, there's the new Blue Ribbon Oddities Gallery featuring the 1995 "dubbed version" recreated titles of BOTH "The Night Watchman" and "Daffy Duck and Egghead".

Enjoy!


-Jon

[Jack]

I've always wished the Blue Ribbon titles would get displayed in such a way. I've always found it interesting looking at the lettering of the cards (I'm guessing Don Foster lettered the reissue cards, right?). The darkened cards from the mid 40s have sort of generic lettering, it seems they played around with it more as time went on.

It's also interesting seeing what cartoons were reissued when. I'd never imagined "Inki At The Circus" was reissued in 1955! Or that someone had a fair chance of seeing "Book Revue" in the early 50s. It seems theater-goers almost had the same variety of Looney tunes we now have on TV.

One thing I can't tell, though. Did they actually repaint the card every year? It isn't like anything changed until 1955 (the cards look to be redone to make up for matting), so did they just carefully store that same background painting all those years?


Jack :D

[Tintin]

Jon! Check on your PM! I am posted for 2 other BR titles. :D

[Jon Cooke]

Originally posted by Cartoon Man
Jon! Check on your PM! I am posted for 2 other BR titles. :D

Thanks, Martin! I just added them. I also added "Horton Hatches the Egg" and "Dangerous Dan McFoo".


-Jon

[Pietro]

Very nice Jon. Once I get my capture card up and running again, I'll send you some BR pics!

-Pietro:D

[Jack]

I'd have to reinstall Netscape to put this here from my auctionwatch account, so I'm just going to attach it for now. I saved it from one of those sites where you can watch cartoons on realvideo.

[Dave Mackey]

It's nice for Jon to provide this service, since I don't put the Blue Ribbon title cards in the galleries on my site. (If it ain't the original, it doesn't go up.)

[BobChief]

Jon Cooke, in part:
Plus, there's the new Blue Ribbon Oddities Gallery featuring the 1995 "dubbed version" recreated titles of BOTH "The Night Watchman" and "Daffy Duck and Egghead".

WIERD.... :bosko:

[Matthew Hunter]

I wonder why they redid those two cards? How odd...they dont even look like the old ones. And for some reason I never noticed. Also, Jon, I believe the Blue Ribbon of "Country Mouse" features a "The End" closing title card also. And on "Bashful Buzzard", the "The End" card was removed for the dubbed version and replaced with that orange card.
-Matthew

[Jack]

Does anyone know offhand what year Horton Hatches the Egg was re-released? I think it'd be interesting if it turned out it was reissued at about the same time, or shortly after, Gerald McBoing Boing was released by UPA.

Another thing (maybe something I should ask Jerry beck about) I've always wondered is if the Blue Ribbon series had it's own promotional art. I've never seen a lobbycard or poster made specifically for a reissue, so did they just not make new ones, or did they just reprint the old lobby cards (even if it meant having the wrong series title down)?



Jack :confused:

[Greg Method]

Years ago on the WB newsgroup (before it became a hodge-podge of people arguing and misspelling), someone attempted to compile release dates based on the Blue Ribbon production numbers and the ring colors (Dave, it wasn't you, was it?). :)

I don't know how successful such a task would be, since a lot of BR's had blank production code.

[Jerry Beck]

Originally posted by Jack
(maybe something I should ask Jerry beck about) I've always wondered is if the Blue Ribbon series had it's own promotional art. I've never seen a lobbycard or poster made specifically for a reissue, so did they just not make new ones, or did they just reprint the old lobby cards (even if it meant having the wrong series title down)?
Jack :confused:

Yes they made "new" lobby card/poster promo art for the BLUE RIBBON reissues - No, it didn't advertise itself as a "Blue Ribbon" reissue. The Blue Ribbon designation was on screen and used for sales (to theatre owners) purposes. I've never seen any public print advertising (they were advertised as Blue Ribbon's in trade ads).

Below is an example of the original PIGS IS PIGS 1937 lobby card and the 1947 reissue lobby card.

http://www.cartoonresearch.com/pigs1.jpghttp://www.cartoonresearch.com/pigs2.jpg

[Dave Mackey]

Originally posted by Greg Method
[B]Years ago on the WB newsgroup (before it became a hodge-podge of people arguing and misspelling), someone attempted to compile release dates based on the Blue Ribbon production numbers and the ring colors (Dave, it wasn't you, was it?). :)


I could do a Google search and see, but it shouldn't be too hard to do. You would just need to match up like ring colors/styles and title cards. Jon's already deciphered a lot of the first season ones. (Nota bene: the first season of BR's features a series title card that says "Produced by LEON SCHLESINGER", which of course became invalid after 1944.)

The production number list on my WB site has the numbers for those Blue Ribbons that had them. Naturally, a lot of the later ones don't. There was one year with blue rings and no number (which all seemed to be 1949 cartoons) and the final years had orange rings and no number (whose release dates ranged from 1950-1957).

[Thad Komorowski]

That's cool, Jerry. The reissue one seems to be darker with a blue tint, while the original one is black and white.


-Thad

[Jack]

Yeah, thanks! It seems they redrew the image for the reissue, adding more ink washes to it so that it would match the other lobby cards of that year.


Jack :D

[Jon Cooke]

Originally posted by Jack
Yeah, thanks! It seems they redrew the image for the reissue, adding more ink washes to it so that it would match the other lobby cards of that year.

Here's another "Pigs is Pigs" lobby card. This must have also been made for the cartoon's Blue Ribbon re-release: http://www.thegremlin.com/PUBLICITY.STILLS/PS172.JPG

Also, check out these two "Wacky Worm" lobby cards (also from thegremlin.com):

http://www.thegremlin.com/PS177.JPGhttp://www.thegremlin.com/PS176.JPG


-Jon

[Dave Mackey]

The thing about some of these publicity stills is that some of them, particularly from the late 1930's-early 1940's, have the original production numbers on them. If anyone has any holdings to this end, I'd like to hear from them.

[Do-Do]

Speaking of Blue Ribbons, why is it that the BR version of "Scent-imental Over You"'s title screen says "Pepe Le Pew in Scent-Imental Over You", when none of the other Blue Ribbons do this?

[Jack]

Originally posted by Do-Do
Speaking of Blue Ribbons, why is it that the BR version of "Scent-imental Over You"'s title screen says "Pepe Le Pew in Scent-Imental Over You", when none of the other Blue Ribbons do this?
I don't think I ever noticed that before, I'll have to look for that...would probably fit on Jon's BR oddities page. Perhaps it was reissued when Pepe Le Pew was just starting to become popular.

To me the oddest Blue Ribbon is "The Mighty Hunters."


Jack :D

[J Lee]

You can't tell anymoe because of the "dubbed versions" CN uses today, but there are two 1941 cartoons that may have been reissued twice!

Friz Freleng's "Rhaposdy in Rivets" and "The Trial of Mr. Wolf" both have opening Blue Ribbon title cards from the 1955 season, but the end title cards on the non-dubbed version are from the 1945 release season. So it's possible both those shorts were first made into BR cartoons only four years after they were made and then re-released again a decade later.

[Thad Komorowski]

Here's a cap of the Blue Ribbon title of "Scent-Imental Over You":


http://imagep.webphotos.iwon.com//1000013782/1000013782_32200242147PM0.7127802.jpg


-Thad

[Brandon Pierce]

Originally posted by Thad K
Here's a cap of the Blue Ribbon title of "Scent-Imental Over You":


http://imagep.webphotos.iwon.com//1000013782/1000013782_32200242147PM0.7127802.jpg


-Thad
I think it's odd too. And besides, in the cartoon itself, Pepe isn't called Pepe. He's called "Stinkey." Look at his mailbox!

[Jon Cooke]

I actually already made an image of "Scent-imental Over You" for my page (but thanks anyway, Thad!). I have been trying to dig up my copy of "Mighty Hunters". I plan on adding some new stuff to the Blue Ribbon page soon!

Any requests? :p :)

-Jon

[Jack]

Originally posted by Brandon Pierce

I think it's odd too. And besides, in the cartoon itself, Pepe isn't called Pepe. He's called "Stinkey." Look at his mailbox!
The model sheets from that cartoon call him Stinky too. I think that's why they put his name on the title card. It looks like it was reissued in the very early 50s (don't know what the ring color is, so I'm not 100 percent sure). Pepe was starting to become a more prominent character in Looney Tunes, so they probably just put his "official" name on the card so that people wouldn't get confused.

But if my guess is correct, then that makes me wonder why they didn't do the same thing for "Tweetie Pie." Maybe they figured it wasn't needed since Sylvester and Tweety were well established characters by 1955.


Originally posted by Jon Cooke
Any requests? :p :)
I've always wanted to see the opening shot from Daffy Dilly. I'm still not convinced that it is original to the cartoon, but stopping my tape, rewinding, and watching it over and over gets sort of tedious...

Also, doesn't "Old Glory" still have its title card music? that's sort of odd.


Jack :D

[Jon Cooke]

Originally posted by Jack
I've always wanted to see the opening shot from Daffy Dilly. I'm still not convinced that it is original to the cartoon, but stopping my tape, rewinding, and watching it over and over gets sort of tedious...


Are you talking about the scene of Daffy selling novelty items on the street corner (the "Chicken Inspector" badge, etc)?

I also want to have a gallery of the "alternate" title cards used on a few later Blue Ribbon reissues (w/ credits). The ones not seen on Dave's website. I know there's "Cheese Chasers", "The Leghorn Blows at Midnight", "Often an Orphan", "The Ducksters", and "Tweety's S.O.S.". I'm not sure about "Hen House Henery" (it's not on Dave's site, but there's no note about there being an alternate title card). Are there any others? And how do you know if they were specially created for the re-release? I mean, it's pretty obvious that the ones on "Cheese Chasers" and "Often an Orphan" aren't the real McCoy ... but "Leghorn" and "S.O.S."?


-Jon

[Jack]

Originally posted by Jon Cooke
Are you talking about the scene of Daffy selling novelty items on the street corner (the "Chicken Inspector" badge, etc)?
I mean the scene of a city street shown right before that. If I remember right, it had flatly colored buildings, and didn't quite match the rest of the cartoon.


Originally posted by Jon Cooke
Are there any others? And how do you know if they were specially created for the re-release? I mean, it's pretty obvious that the ones on "Cheese Chasers" and "Often an Orphan" aren't the real McCoy ... but "Leghorn" and "S.O.S."?
I'm not sure how to know for sure, The only way I can tell is if the "Directed By" card is more elaborate than the actual title card. I thought the "Leghorn" card featured at Dave mackey's site was the real thing, but I guess it isn't since he pulled that one.


Jack :D

[Thad Komorowski]

Well, here's how you can tell that there's a new title card. If it dissolves from the Blue Ribbon title, it's a new one. If it jump cuts to the title of the cartoon, it's the original.


-Thad