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BLACKHEART
02-27-2002, 06:26 PM
I would kill Nightwing. He served no purpose on the show. He was bumptious and annoying. I've never been fond of Dick Grayson and I'd have him killed by the Joker. It would remove Joker's gay/silly animated persona Bruce Timm and Paul Dini have established and redfine him as the murderous madman he really is. Joker would strap him with 50 sticks of gun powder fun that would spread his parts across Gotham with a BANG!

The Game
02-27-2002, 06:37 PM
I disagree with everything you said. Everything.

First of all- no one "dies" on Batman. Well, not often anyway, and defintley not major characters.

Dick Grayson/Nightwing is one of my favorites (he's also many other people's) and he certainly did serve a purpose. He's the continuation of the Batman legacy- he's also the closest thing to Batman's son we'll ever see. He's an interesting and vital character, and taking him away would take away from other characters, like Barb.

He's also just cool.

The animated version of the Joker is perfect, in my view. He's crazy and maniacal, evil and devilish, but funny, sick and immature. Mark Hamil and the animators did a perfect job bringing him to life, and he's just amazing.

By the way, I hope you realize there is no way they would ever have someone blown up, their body parts flying on what is technically considered to be a "kid's show".

BLACKHEART
02-27-2002, 06:47 PM
This is a "what if" buddy just play along. The question is a challenge for people to come forth and let out all aggression. If you don't have an answer to the question then you don't have to answer. Thanks for the responce to my topic. Rock on

The Game
02-27-2002, 07:22 PM
Hehe, I like your avatar. A man after my own heart, although as you can see, I'm an ass-man. :D

Well, I was just making the point that I strongly disagree. But if I had to get rid of someone...

I'd get rid of... Some lame badguys like Firefly, Farmer Brown, etc. I've just fallen in love with all the major characters over time.

BLACKHEART
02-27-2002, 07:30 PM
I like them both this just was the first thing to come to mind. It's a wonderful set isn't it?

Back to the orginal topic, Farmer Brown? I had forgotten about him. Firefly's not that bad, but Farmer Brown needs expunged.

Clark J. Kent
02-27-2002, 07:33 PM
I'd kill Max Gibson in the series. God, you talked about NIGHTWING being useless. Give me a break.

Max is the worst character ever created, and stole the limelight away from Bruce and Terry.

If I had millions of dollars to throw around, I would commision Timm and company to do one final episode of Batman Beyond that features Max dying, and Bruce, Terry, and Barbara look at each other a little confused. Bruce would break the ice by saying "So who wants coffee?" and they'd leave. The end. :)

BLACKHEART
02-27-2002, 07:37 PM
I hadn't thought about Batman Beyond. You've won Clark if this was a contest. That's the one character above all that I had a great abomination for. I'd give anything to see her die across the big screen.

peterparker05
02-27-2002, 07:39 PM
I'd kill off Baby Doll. I liked her episodes, but if one of the other baddies like the Joker killed her off, it would make an interesting story. Batman could be almost pushed over the edge in trying to apprehend him. To make it really sick, the Joker could kill her on live television. I believe Baby Doll's had her run and her death could serve a purpose.

Alexander
02-27-2002, 07:40 PM
I'd kill Bruce Wayne.:eek: That way, i'll make sure the Bruce and Barbara Romance never happens! :D

BLACKHEART
02-27-2002, 07:41 PM
Another good one Peter.

Alexander
02-27-2002, 07:51 PM
And after Bruce i'd kill Sam!! Yeah baby, YEAH!!

Bird Boy
02-27-2002, 07:51 PM
well....I never liked Poison Ivy. She should die...in every series she was in..she was pointless.....never liked her one bit..

Can you tell I don't much care for Ivy? :D

-BB

The Game
02-27-2002, 07:55 PM
well....I never liked Poison Ivy. She should die...in every series she was in..she was pointless.....never liked her one bit..

Can you tell I don't much care for Ivy?

-BB

WHAT!? Ivy? You don't like Ivy? She's perfect! How can you not like...

<takes five minutes to calm down>

Eh, well, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but Ivy is sweet. :)

Alexander
02-27-2002, 07:57 PM
Uhhhh HELLO?!?!? i just said i want to KILL "BATMAN" and nobody cares?!?!?

Bird Boy
02-27-2002, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by Alexander
Uhhhh HELLO?!?!? i just said i want to KILL "BATMAN" and nobody cares?!?!?

calm down...you just posted it 20min ago..give it time for ppl to reply

-BB

Alexander
02-27-2002, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by Bird Boy


calm down...you just posted it 20min ago..give it time for ppl to reply

-BB


oh uh, yeah, i suppose ya got a point there. :D



hey look! here's another point! . and another . and another .

The Game
02-27-2002, 08:33 PM
The reason you didn't get a good response was because everyone knew you were joking with the smiley faces. No one would ever kill Bruce, so it was just easy to dismiss.

As long as we're including Superman/BB I've gotta say Max would be the first to die... She was awful.

Barb Gordon
02-27-2002, 10:38 PM
I wont even start on the wrongs of killing Nightwing :p Anyhoo, I would definetly knock off characters like Farmer Brown and Firefly. And, I'm not sure how many liked her, but I would get rid of Roxy Rocket. She wasn't really much of a character, her motives seemed really pointless. I thought Max was all right, except they really were using her like this unofficial sidekick kind of character, and so yeah, I can see how peeps would want her killed off.

Barb^-^

BLACKHEART
02-27-2002, 10:47 PM
The only Ivy I didn't care for was the new adventures elf Ivy. Her costume reminded me of Peter Pan and the skin color didn't do much for me. The orginal design was much better. The Ivy I really like is the Terry Dodson model. Character wise she's always been better in the comics. It's just she falls into the trap of ecoterrorist and no one wants to expand on the character.

I thought everyone liked Harley and Ivy? Atleast Triple H and I have got taste.

I would have responded about you wanting to kill Batman, but I just made a responce to Peter and didn't want to have back to back posts. It looks "happy"

Kill Roxy Rocket? She's not that bad. I didn't care for her, but how can we kill the pornstar of the show? Give me Roxy over Baby Doll. I have to agree that her character and motives were boring and pointless. The sad thing is that they wanted to use her on the FOX show but FOX didn't want her. They wanted to make her a big character like Quinn.

JusticeLeagueLegion
02-27-2002, 11:29 PM
Originally posted by Clark J. Kent
I'd kill Max Gibson in the series. God, you talked about NIGHTWING being useless. Give me a break.

Max is the worst character ever created, and stole the limelight away from Bruce and Terry.

If I had millions of dollars to throw around, I would commision Timm and company to do one final episode of Batman Beyond that features Max dying, and Bruce, Terry, and Barbara look at each other a little confused. Bruce would break the ice by saying "So who wants coffee?" and they'd leave. The end. :)

I liked Max better then Dana. But I still don't think that Nightwing should die...if I was going to kill anyone, it would be Etrigan, the demon. I think he's kind of a stupid character. Although if we're talking about Smallville, let's kill Chloe, she sucks!! Max is way better than her!! And so is Lana!!

BLACKHEART
02-27-2002, 11:48 PM
The idea behind killing Nightwing is that it would cause a stir.

Beyond Batman
02-27-2002, 11:50 PM
First of all, I'd kill off Joel Shumacher and the idiots at Hasbro for managing their Batman toy line the wrong way.

My list would also include, the farmers from Critters and Baby Doll. Why? Because Critters was the worst episode, hands down, in animated history and Baby Doll doesn't wield any threats beyond the first episode she was in.

Beyond Batman
02-27-2002, 11:53 PM
Just to add one more.

A long time ago I responded to a similar thread, that may've gotten overlooked. Slipknot, if you're looking to "cause a stir" I was thinking... kill Alfred!

As much as I think Alfred is a vital character in Bruce's/Batman's life, I think this would cause a world of conflict.

BLACKHEART
02-27-2002, 11:58 PM
Alfred would make things happen. It would be like killing the Kents.

CadaverousEyes
02-28-2002, 12:57 AM
I'd kill TNBA Batgirl and BB Commissioner Gordon. There were too many kids hanging around Batman (and we can't go killing Robin or Nightwing) and the future Commissioner Gordon was... well, you know.

Clark J. Kent
02-28-2002, 10:16 AM
Justice League Legion,

You really hated Dana and Chloe more than Max?

At least Chloe and and Dana didn't invade Batman's privacy and insist they become Batman's new sidekick. That's nervy. That's disrespectful. Batman has a secret ID for a reason. It's not like she liked Terry either. At least if Chloe or Dana got involved, they'd be getting involved for love of Clark or Terry respectively. (Presumably, Chloe has the hots for Clark.) Max was just investigating to be a nosey witch... replace that "W" with another consonant if you will.

James Harvey
02-28-2002, 10:36 AM
Originally posted by Bird Boy
well....I never liked Poison Ivy. She should die...in every series she was in..she was pointless.....never liked her one bit..

Can you tell I don't much care for Ivy? :D

-BB

I agree with ya there. I don't think there has been any good character development on her, so if she was bumped off I could care less. Although I bet Harley would miss her..becuase...well....:) This is an all ages board so I'll just leave it at that. :)

Not to fond of that Claykid that came out of Batman #550, either...

BLACKHEART
02-28-2002, 11:35 AM
Where else would Harley go to talk when the Joker stomps her into the ground? It's her best friend. In many way's Ivy's treatment of Harley isn't too far from Joker's and she fullfills many needs that Harley has. Why do I see Harley and Ivy tag-teaming the Joker?

Batgirl Beyond
03-03-2002, 07:32 PM
I'd kill Tim Drake...The animated one, he's too much like Jason Todd. But then agian Jason Todd got killed off, so there you go! :D

BLACKHEART
03-03-2002, 07:38 PM
Great idea Batgirl, I like the way you think

James
03-03-2002, 07:46 PM
Zeta, erm, Zeta and yeah Zeta.

Definately Zeta. And Max. Together. Zeta I'd slowly take apart so he can appreciate the pure pointless of his existence.

Max would get a humane departure - afterall, it's less her and how the writers handled her that 'sucked'. She doesn't have to die. She could just slip on a banana and fall into a crate marked 'Sibera - one way ticket'. That would do me.

BLACKHEART
03-03-2002, 07:49 PM
I'd rather it be very painful

Maxie Zeus
03-03-2002, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by SJJ
Zeta, erm, Zeta and yeah Zeta.

BB's Zeta, or TZP's Zeta?

I agree that TZP's Zeta is completely lacking. I do have a soft spot for BB's Zeta. I like the idea of a robot having to fight against its programming, and learning to overcome it. I agree, we didn't get that in "Zeta," but it was a great idea, and if they had made Zeta a semi-regular character, an adversary that actually developed across a couple of episodes I think he would have been interesting.

G. Wen
03-03-2002, 10:10 PM
Am I the only person who finds Clock King unbearable?

BLACKHEART
03-03-2002, 10:18 PM
I'd kill him too

Ms. Kitty
03-03-2002, 10:55 PM
I would kill off ... EVERYBODY!!!!!! BUAAAHAAAHAAAAA!!!!! and then my kitty minons wold take over the world and make eveyone drink soy milk and read comics!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D ... :rolleyes:

BLACKHEART
03-03-2002, 11:03 PM
I'll just throw catnip off a cliff and watch them all jump off after it, speaking of cats what about Catwoman? Would anyone want poor Selina Kyle dead?

Ms. Kitty
03-04-2002, 04:21 PM
No way man I would never want her dead! Well, maybe the blond version... the rest of the design was OK, but I prefer the Black hair. It wold of been nice if they stayed with that.

BLACKHEART
03-04-2002, 06:15 PM
No kidding Catwoman's not supposed to have blonde hair. I like the black suit better as well

Alexander
03-04-2002, 08:59 PM
And i'd like to kill anyone who even thinks of trying to hurt Alizee.....












and that is no joke.

superfreak
03-05-2002, 01:57 AM
I'll have to say zeta has to go.

BLACKHEART
03-05-2002, 11:20 AM
What if Zeta was turned into a bomb and sent over to Max's house?

TimTwoFace
03-05-2002, 11:35 AM
I would say kill Mr. Freeze off after a few more appearances. With Nora out of the picture, there isn't that much for him to do any more, so might as well have one big final blow-out with Victor and off him at the end. It could be a great story, summing up his entire life and everything.

Then again, they sort of did this already on BATMAN BEYOND, huh?

In that case, I choose Bane. That could be another good story AND one that I wouldn't miss too too badly.

Or how about the Mad Hatter? Now that Roddy McDowall has passed away (unfortunately), no one will be able to provide his voice; so write a story about his departure. (Then again, they sort of wrote this story too, in B&RA #17).

-Tim

The Old Maid
03-05-2002, 07:02 PM
Oh, it's tempting to say Max Gibson from Batman Beyond, but it does no good if the writers don't understand (or accept) why the character struggled. I like it that Max was the first female protagonist who was not created to land a man. (Cassandra Cain arrived later.) Yet even though Max does not define her love life by the vigilante in her life, she still defines her life by that vigilante. She looks to being Batman's Pal for an afterschool activity instead of joining a sports team or getting a job. She looks to him for approval since she never gets any from her family. She looks to him for meaning, for a cause, instead of looking inside herself. So Max has broken ranks, but not as much as she could have done.

But no, I would kill the older Barbara Gordon. That character was mostly an extension of the men around her -- she's got Daddy's name ; a husband who gets a lot more done at his job than she does at hers ; and Barbara worked her way through every man in the Bat-family and said, "What's wrong with that?" I don't think this character can be fixed. There are too many things wrong with her.

For Max (I proposed this on the defunct Boardhost board), I would let her inhale just a whiff of Curare's patented Lethe gas. Not enough to turn her into a husk, just enough to send her back to, I dunno, third to seventh grade. She's smart ; she'd catch up soon. Just so that she doesn't come back. If she had her life to live over again, maybe she'd do better this time. That's why I voted to kill off Barbara Beyond ; given a chance to do it over I think they'd just mess her up again.

Sort of off-topic, but when "Final Cut" aired, people asked why Curare would slice Max when Max is not her target. Thinking about this thread maybe I can answer that other one ... Curare was trying to gas her colleagues and slice Batman. But Curare never attempted to gas Max -- and even in the dark Max isn't, uh, built like Batman. So Curare shouldn't have done either. Basically this chase scene was created solely because someone wanted Curare to chase Max. Had Curare been a real person she would have refused to act out the scene. It's out of character for the villain.

Back on topic : in the Superman series I would get rid of all space aliens -- all of them. Let Superman be the only alien in the whole series. (See the Aliens : No Big Deal? thread for my long, long reasons.)

In Batman I'd settle for either young Barbara or Harley, if the Joker did it. I never liked Talia or her strange papa, either.

Maxie Zeus
03-05-2002, 07:56 PM
Originally posted by The Old Maid
Sort of off-topic, but when "Final Cut" aired, people asked why Curare would slice Max when Max is not her target. Thinking about this thread maybe I can answer that other one ... Curare was trying to gas her colleagues and slice Batman. But Curare never attempted to gas Max -- and even in the dark Max isn't, uh, built like Batman. So Curare shouldn't have done either. Basically this chase scene was created solely because someone wanted Curare to chase Max. Had Curare been a real person she would have refused to act out the scene. It's out of character for the villain.

Fascinating hypothesis. Definitely something to ask the writers/ directors/ producers of BB. Was someone consciously or unconsciously trying to bump off Max? :eek: :D

Dark Knight
03-07-2002, 01:43 AM
Ok I'm one of the few people I guess who actually thought Max was a great addition to the show. She gave Terry someone else to interact with besides bruce and barbara (lets face it he needs people to be completely open with who are under 60.) And she was a pretty cool "oracle" kind of character. I can see how she got on people's nerves in a couple of episodes, but all in all she was just making things more interesting IMO.

... As to who I would actually kill... I'm normally against killing off characters in superhero comic kind of universes because some self righteous writer will always bring them back later down the line anyway... but if I HAD to it wouldnt be a character I dont like, like Clock King, or Farmer Brown. I figure if I dont like them why bring them back at all even if it was just to kill them. That would be a waste of an episode. Stories with death should be powerful ones not episodes that exist just make me rejoice that a character I hated is dead.

Therefore I would also kill someone that would stir up controversy. Id love to see a final showdown with the joker... But they already did that in BB (and it was awesome.) So instead I would lean towards a tragic end to alfred or the commish. Someting that would really scar batman emotionally. If it was a villain id have it be Two Face since he was Bruces friend. That would hit him hard too.

In STAS It would definately be Lana by Lex, since its safe to assume supes will end up with Lois anyway. Superman IMO had the BEST use of killing of a character (Turpin.) So I'm sure they could make that cool.

Batman Beyond. Now I know I opened up by defending her, but yes, Max being killed by getting too involved with Batman would be an AWESOME story. I would be very curious to see how hard Terry would take that. I imagine it would be pretty bad, and it would be even better if somehow he could place the blame on Bruce.

Theking
03-07-2002, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by SLIPKNOT
No kidding Catwoman's not supposed to have blonde hair. I like the black suit better as well

I completely agree dude. When you get a picture of a Catwoman in your head she has black hair. That is sacred.

TheKing

Theking
03-07-2002, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by SLIPKNOT
What if Zeta was turned into a bomb and sent over to Max's house?

oh yea, that is the way to go, the new Zeta taking out Max yea yea I am liking it very much.

Then we can find out that the new Zeta was an imposter and the old Zeta can come out of hidding.

Woo Hoo

TheKing

BLACKHEART
03-07-2002, 11:45 AM
They should make Zeta a killing machine again. Give him an edge by turning him heel. I bet it would boost the ratings.

Kill the Joker? What? The Joker is the heart and soul of Batman. Who would be Batman's archnemesis? Joker needs Batman to survive and Batman needs him. It gives him balance.

The Flash
03-07-2002, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by SLIPKNOT

Kill the Joker? What?

Heh, heh. That's what I said when you posted that Nightwing should die. ;) I probably wouldn't kill anybody off. ....or am I just not thinking hard enough!? :D

BLACKHEART
03-07-2002, 01:20 PM
What if I picked Azrael? Would anyone have even noticed?

The Mad Hatter
03-07-2002, 07:18 PM
I think everyone finds Azrael so annoying that they probably wouldn't bother animating him in the first place, let alone kill him.