I'm Losing Interest in Anime (Code Geass Related)

[JTurner954]

It's funny. Everytime I find myself disliking a show, there's a character within that show that relates to how I feel. There's the Yoda ripoff who turns into the Taco Bell dog in Reign the Conquerer, Kakashi and his lazy eye in Naruto, and now C.C. in Code Geass.

This show takes itself too seriously so it's nice to see a playful character that makes me forget about these other people who think they're better than everyone else. :sigh: I don't know. Maybe I would like this show if I was exposed to enough Gundam to understand all the references. But right now I feel it's yet another overhyped show that will lead me to stop watching anime within the next five years.

[bigdeath]

But right now I feel it's yet another overhyped show that will lead me to stop watching anime within the next five years

Your not familiar with gundam! :eek:

After this episode I don't know how anyone can still call this show serious. Code Geass is as serious as the new Indiana Jones movie. They both are over the top and very ridiculous. But I still love them both. :anime:

At least we can both enjoy C.C.

[GWOtaku]

Your not familiar with gundam! :eek:

After this episode I don't know how anyone can still call this show serious. Code Geass is as serious as the new Indiana Jones movie. They both are over the top and very ridiculous. But I still love them both. :anime:


I beg to differ, given that there are more serious episodes than silly episodes. The silly episodes seem meant as a break of sorts, like something out of a totally different version of the show almost. Its like interrupting every other episode of Full Metal Panic: Second Raid with one from Full Metal Panic Fumoffu.

[JTurner954]

Your not familiar with gundam! :eek:

Well I've only seen 0080, 0083, and the beginnings of Mobile Suit Gundam and Gundam SEED. The only one I liked was 0083.


At least we can both enjoy C.C.

How big does her role get? Do we see more of her or is her screentime limited?

[GWOtaku]

How big does her role get? Do we see more of her or is her screentime limited?

It's fair to say that her role gets progressively larger.

[Classic Speedy]

Your not familiar with gundam! :eek: I'm not familiar with Gundam either. The only Gundam property I've seen is a couple random episodes of SEED. Though once 00 is released in America, I'll check that out.
But right now I feel it's yet another overhyped show that will lead me to stop watching anime within the next five years. So is this a cumulative effect, or is Geass alone making you want to stop watching anime?

[bigdeath]

I beg to differ, given that there are more serious episodes than silly episodes. The silly episodes seem meant as a break of sorts, like something out of a totally different version of the show almost. Its like interrupting every other episode of Full Metal Panic: Second Raid with one from Full Metal Panic Fumoffu.

On the contrary, even in the more serious episodes there is a ton of crazy and quite blandly ridiculous stuff happening. Just look at what we've seen of mecha combat. The Lancelot jumps around like a ballerina. And Lelouch's plans are so over the top that they wouldn't work in real life. Come on, you telling me his Suzaku rescue plan wasn't ridiculous. However, his plan was 1337 and FTW awesome. :anime:

[bigdeath]

Well I've only seen 0080, 0083, and the beginnings of Mobile Suit Gundam and Gundam SEED. The only one I liked was 0083.

I suggest watching 08 MS Team. But 0083 is a favorite of mine, nothing like the threat of a nuke to make an entire show. :anime:



How big does her role get? Do we see more of her or is her screentime limited?

Well, given that C.C. is the most popular female of the show....you can bet the farm you'll be seeing a whole lot more of her. :D

[GWOtaku]

On the contrary, even in the more serious episodes there is a ton of crazy and quite blandly ridiculous stuff happening. Just look at what we've seen of mecha combat. The Lancelot jumps around like a ballerina. And Lelouch's plans are so over the top that they wouldn't work in real life. Come on, you telling me his Suzaku rescue plan wasn't ridiculous. However, his plan was 1337 and FTW awesome. :anime:

Over the top and enjoyable, sure, but his strategies aren't played for laughs.

[bigdeath]

Over the top and enjoyable, sure, but his strategies aren't played for laughs.

Thats strange because I laugh at them all the time. :sweat:

I don't know, I watch Lelouch like I watch Indiana Jones. I just expect him to do some ridiculuos stunt that wins the day.

[JTurner954]

So is this a cumulative effect, or is Geass alone making you want to stop watching anime?

It's been developing over time. As a matter of face, I've developed a list of keywords in an anime title that determine if the anime is bad. So far, there's Blood (Trinity Blood, Blood+), Chan (Crayon Shin Chan, Super Milk Chan), and Plus (Macross Plus, Blood+). I'm ready to add "Code (Code Geass, Code Lyoko)" to the list.

Many of these shows are repetitive so of course younger audiences who never saw a "collect them all" series are going to enjoy these shows. I also don't recall seeing anime fans over the age of 30 so I'm thinking anime truly is for kid's only with an casual good title showing up every now and then for an older audience. Adult Swim admitted the anime scene sucks now and they're right. It also explains why I like 1-2 of the new anime they show each year (usually debuting at the end of the year).

[bigdeath]

So I take it that JTurner954 is older than 30? In that case, old man :p , I'll still be watching anime past my 30s. Its not so much an age group anime is made for but a particular taste. Anime and classic B movies are similar in my mind in that both are often completely ridiculous but that's what I enjoy about them both.

[Space Cadet]

It's been developing over time. As a matter of face, I've developed a list of keywords in an anime title that determine if the anime is bad. So far, there's Blood (Trinity Blood, Blood+), Chan (Crayon Shin Chan, Super Milk Chan), and Plus (Macross Plus, Blood+). I'm ready to add "Code (Code Geass, Code Lyoko)" to the list.



But Code Lyoko isn't even an anime title, its French.

[The Weed Of Cri]

I also don't recall seeing anime fans over the age of 30 so I'm thinking anime truly is for kid's only with an casual good title showing up every now and then for an older audience.

If you don't know any anime fans over 30, then you aren't looking hard enough. I'm 45 and I have been an anime fan for over 20 years. I was part of the generation that created anime fandom. There are still plenty of us out there, and we are still quite dedicated to the art form, but our tastes admittedly are different than those of the younger generation.

[JTurner954]

So I take it that JTurner954 is older than 30?

No, but I'm getting awfully close.


But Code Lyoko isn't even an anime title, its French.

French anime then. :p I will say that Code Geass is better though.


If you don't know any anime fans over 30, then you aren't looking hard enough. I'm 45 and I have been an anime fan for over 20 years. I was part of the generation that created anime fandom. There are still plenty of us out there, and we are still quite dedicated to the art form, but our tastes admittedly are different than those of the younger generation.

Actually I recall seeing older people at panels ... with their kids. It made me think they're really there because their kids liked anime, not that they did.

The second part of your last sentence covers how I feel. Movie remakes, music remixes, and in anime the same voice actors and plot devices ( i.e. Bleach = Introduced plots that are ignored for more fighting. Naruto = Constant flashbacks). It's boring. It also doesn't help how people overhype these shows. For instance, people are raving about pizza and Pizza Hut in Code Geass like it's some monumental force to the storyline when it's obviously not. It also saddens me when an original show comes along (Astroboy, Lupin the Third, Kenshin, Case Closed) and it bombs.

As I'm getting older, my standards are rising. Now I see a great show like Death Note that doesn't have the stereotypical wacky anime music (J-pop?) and actually kills people off without some cheap "brought back from the dead" device and now it's not doing well. I crave originality and anime as of late isn't delivering.

[Roman Legion]

It's been developing over time. As a matter of fact, I've developed a list of keywords in an anime title that determine if the anime is bad.That's silly. I'd assume you're only exasperated and not actually serious, of course.


Actually I recall seeing older people at panels ... with their kids. It made me think they're really there because their kids liked anime, not that they did.How old were the kids? There are anime fans who've gone on to have kids, you know. :p


It also doesn't help how people overhype these shows. For instance, people are raving about pizza and Pizza Hut in Code Geass like it's some monumental force to the storyline when it's obviously not.Surely, at your age, you should have learned not to take hype to heart.

Anyway, it's not helping that you've misunderstood the nature of the hype around Pizza Hut. I can't recall any other series with such persistent product placement, and that's why it stood out. After a while, it was like a running gag. If you thought it was tied into the storyline, you merely jumped to the wrong conclusion, nothing more. Don't forget that the Pizza Hut logos are being edited out, either. If all that remains is a scattered pizza here or there, then of course you're going to be disappointed.


As I'm getting older, my standards are rising. Now I see a great show like Death Note that doesn't have the stereotypical wacky anime music (J-pop?) and actually kills people off without some cheap "brought back from the dead" device and now it's not doing well. I crave originality and anime as of late isn't delivering.How long have you been watching anime? You're probably just not being exposed to the right shows (for you) anymore. Could be that the number of series being brought over is far greater than in whatever "good ol' days" you might be comparing to, thus skewing your perception.

(...and doesn't Death Note take itself far, far more seriously than Geass?)


But Code Lyoko isn't even an anime title, its French.That, and Shin-chan isn't recent enough to throw in a general complaint about the quality of anime nowadays. Neither Shin-chan nor Super Milk Chan really belong in a complaint about anime aimed at younger audiences. Nothing he listed warrants comparison to "collect them all" series... :sweat:

--Romey

[JTurner954]

That's silly. I'd assume you're only exasperated and not actually serious, of course.

The keyword thing happened to be coincidental, but I'm serious in not liking the shows I listed earlier. Since they weren't fun to watch, I'll have fun at their expense.


How old were the kids? There are anime fans who've gone on to have kids, you know. :p

I asked everyone as they left the room and determined ... actually, it was mostly young kids and teens that I witnessed. I honestly don't recall seeing adults who obviously look old enough to be adults. Maybe watching anime makes you look younger. :p


Surely, at your age, you should have learned not to take hype to heart.

Anyway, it's not helping that you've misunderstood the nature of the hype around Pizza Hut. I can't recall any other series with such persistent product placement, and that's why it stood out. After a while, it was like a running gag. If you thought it was tied into the storyline, you merely jumped to the wrong conclusion, nothing more.

Yeah I see that now. The otaku audience sure loves to mislead people with all the hype they get out of their systems. Is it any surprise that constant hype that doesn't deliver helps drive people away?


Don't forget that the Pizza Hut logos are being edited out, either. If all that remains is a scattered pizza here or there, then of course you're going to be disappointed.

As I mentioned earlier, C.C. is the main reason I'm still watching. Besides keeping pizza in order (either by always having it around or always ordering it), she's also keeping Lelouche (who I don't like) in his place. I'm not liking the egos of many of these characters so to have her in the picture is refreshing.


How long have you been watching anime? You're probably just not being exposed to the right shows (for you) anymore. Could be that the number of series being brought over is far greater than in whatever "good ol' days" you might be comparing to, thus skewing your perception.

I started in 2001. The original Saturday Adult Swim with YYH, Outlaw Star, and Tenchi was my main exposure to anime. I know people like to blame Adult Swim for the low ratings for anime, but I can't help but notice how the quality of the shows also doesn't help. And yes, I'm not being exposed to the right shows (The card that listed all the anime they no longer carry was basically better than the shows they still have) and it's just not Adult Swim. Many of Ani Mondays shows weren't good (though I appreciate their efforts with all the content they've shown), and Toonami has become unwatchable. In fact, I haven't watched Toonami since Blue Dragon aired.


(...and doesn't Death Note take itself far, far more seriously than Geass?)

Perhaps, although I feel it's much more entertaining. If I knew every reference in Geass and mecha was my thing, maybe I would change my tune.


That, and Shin-chan isn't recent enough to throw in a general complaint about the quality of anime nowadays. Neither Shin-chan nor Super Milk Chan really belong in a complaint about anime aimed at younger audiences.

Now you're the one who is being silly. Yeah Shin Chan is an older series, but its recent addition to the schedule makes any recent comments to the quality of anime to get an audience nowadays valid. And I still say Shin Chan is geared towards kids who think their adults because they say "adult things" (I deemed it "Beavis and Butthead for a new generation").


Nothing he listed warrants comparison to "collect them all" series... :sweat:

Yeah I forgot to list an example. The two most recent ones I've seen were Inuyasha and Tokko. Inuyasha and Tokko also do something that I'm getting tired of in anime: Ending without a solid conclusion. S-cry-ed was also the same way; some would say Fullmetal Alchemist as well.

[Dark Moridin]

If you don't know any anime fans over 30, then you aren't looking hard enough. I'm 45 and I have been an anime fan for over 20 years. I was part of the generation that created anime fandom. There are still plenty of us out there, and we are still quite dedicated to the art form, but our tastes admittedly are different than those of the younger generation.

Very agreed. I just turned 32, and while somethings aren't as good as they used to be, it is nowhere as bleak as painted.

Yeah I see that now. The otaku audience sure loves to mislead people with all the hype they get out of their systems. Is it any surprise that constant hype that doesn't deliver helps drive people away?



As I mentioned earlier, C.C. is the main reason I'm still watching. Besides keeping pizza in order (either by always having it around or always ordering it), she's also keeping Lelouche (who I don't like) in his place. I'm not liking the egos of many of these characters so to have her in the picture is refreshing.



I started in 2001.


Perhaps, although I feel it's much more entertaining. If I knew every reference in Geass and mecha was my thing, maybe I would change my tune.



Now you're the one who is being silly. Yeah Shin Chan is an older series, but its recent addition to the schedule makes any recent comments to the quality of anime to get an audience nowadays valid. And I still say Shin Chan is geared towards kids who think their adults because they say "adult things" (I deemed it "Beavis and Butthead for a new generation").


(Edited to remind me of my points to make)

Also, it is early, so I can't spell too well.

there is a reason they are called otaku. fanatics are fanatics, in whatever language you use. As someone who knows what they like to watch, you should be able to sort thru all the hype to get to the heart of what you like. with code gaess, you should know whether or not you like mechs in your anime or not.

I believe you are being overly harsh. to claim that this stuff is being made for younger audiances is very irrisponsible. I have been watching since the Gatchaman series (G-force in america) and still love anime to this day. and yes, even at the risk of being called a geek by my peers (which rarely happens, as I don't go otaku with my hobbies). I keep coming back because of my love for the genre's that come out. yeah, some are over done, but I like them anyway (From Mech anime to even the sappy stories such as Love Love). I watch anime in paticular for it being over the top in a way regular Tv can't be. I mean, I like watching 24, even when it is so repetitive.

on a side note, beavis and butthead wasn't supposed to be a 'kids' show, just like southpark wasn't. it is just that in america, the animated medium is so programmed to be referred to as kid's programming that it is automatically thought of as childish, even when it isn't (current theme of this post?)

Look, I don't mean this to be a personal attack. my recommendation to you is to find a genre you like, and pursue those anime. trust me, there are plenty out there, and some for almost everyone. it is just like watching TV (which I don't do alot of because of this), but even though TV has been around less than 100 years old, EVERYTHING has been done and redone. looking for complete originality is a high hope that borders on impossible.

[JTurner954]

there is a reason they are called otaku. fanatics are fanatics, in whatever language you use. As someone who knows what they like to watch, you should be able to sort thru all the hype to get to the heart of what you like. with code gaess, you should know whether or not you like mechs in your anime or not.

Regarding the fans, sometimes it can't be avoided. I was in a Waldenbooks looking at the manga section and someone came by ranting left and right about how bad this book and that book is. I wonder if some fans realize their antics are scaring people away.

Regarding the shows, I don't mind a mecha show as long as it's entertaining. Big O, Daiguard, Nadesico, 0083 are all good in my book. I also like Megas XLR (yes I know it's not anime). I don't know why AS/CN needs to constantly have new content when I'm sure that many older shows (such as Gundam shows recommended earlier) would suffice. It also doesn't help when the network messes with the footage/music like they have with Geass.


I believe you are being overly harsh. to claim that this stuff is being made for younger audiances is very irrisponsible. I have been watching since the Gatchaman series (G-force in america) and still love anime to this day. and yes, even at the risk of being called a geek by my peers (which rarely happens, as I don't go otaku with my hobbies). I keep coming back because of my love for the genre's that come out. yeah, some are over done, but I like them anyway (From Mech anime to even the sappy stories such as Love Love). I watch anime in paticular for it being over the top in a way regular Tv can't be. I mean, I like watching 24, even when it is so repetitive.

I agree on being harsh, but that's how I feel. I know there is good stuff out there. I just want it to show up as often as it used to on CN. That's why I was enjoying the Ani Monday block. Even though many of the shows weren't to my liking, they still kept me interested by having a diverse selection of anime without trying to get the latest releases.


on a side note, beavis and butthead wasn't supposed to be a 'kids' show, just like southpark wasn't. it is just that in america, the animated medium is so programmed to be referred to as kid's programming that it is automatically thought of as childish, even when it isn't (current theme of this post?)

The thing is Shin Chan's humor is childish and (the main reason I dislike Shin Chan) forced. I agree with you on your general point, but I still feel Shin Chan is going to attract children who are going to stay up past their bedtime to watch something "adult" that makes them think they're adults.


Look, I don't mean this to be a personal attack. my recommendation to you is to find a genre you like, and pursue those anime. trust me, there are plenty out there, and some for almost everyone. it is just like watching TV (which I don't do alot of because of this), but even though TV has been around less than 100 years old, EVERYTHING has been done and redone. looking for complete originality is a high hope that borders on impossible.

It's all right. Many of my opinions could be interpreted as the general public's opinion so I knew there would be a backlash against a non-majority opinion on the internet. At the end of the day, I want entertainment. If it's a similar story, do something to make sure you're not considered a clone of the previous material. As I've stated before (mostly as an attempt to stay on topic with Code Geass), C.C. has me staying with Code Geass. I still think it's overhyped, but that doesn't mean it's terrible. I'm just not liking it as much as many of you.

[Dark Moridin]

I wonder if some fans realize their antics are scaring people away.

I don't know why AS/CN needs to constantly have new content when I'm sure that many older shows (such as Gundam shows recommended earlier) would suffice. It also doesn't help when the network messes with the footage/music like they have with Geass.



I agree on being harsh, but that's how I feel. I know there is good stuff out there. I just want it to show up as often as it used to on CN.


I agree with you on your general point, but I still feel Shin Chan is going to attract children who are going to stay up past their bedtime to watch something "adult" that makes them think they're adults.



It's all right. Many of my opinions could be interpreted as the general public's opinion so I knew there would be a backlash against a non-majority opinion on the internet. At the end of the day, I want entertainment. If it's a similar story, do something to make sure you're not considered a clone of the previous material. As I've stated before (mostly as an attempt to stay on topic with Code Geass), C.C. has me staying with Code Geass. I still think it's overhyped, but that doesn't mean it's terrible. I'm just not liking it as much as many of you.

(once again, edited to remind me what my points are)

First off, thanks for having an intelligent discussion without it becoming a flame war. Rare on the internet these days.

As for fans, I tend to ignore people in general, but fanatics in paticular. i tend to provoke them just to watch their reaction, not to listen to them.

As for AS going for new content, since they are a buisness, it makes since for them to find the next "big thing", and I can't blame them for that. Remember, the reason CN became big, was DBZ. not the most innovating series (in it's later years), but in terms of money making, that is why they are experimenting, which I applaud. it is hard to tell what the masses like just by the minority says on forums like these.

It is ok to be harsh, that is the 1st amendment at work, I am just saying that with all opinions, it should be tempered with a little understanding. with code gaess, we all understand that it isn't something totally new, but it is something a bit refreshing compared to all that is out there (my opinion only).

with shin chan, i agree that some kids will 'want' to stay up to watch something adult, but that is the responsibility of the parents, and shouldn't be factored in. parenting isn't the point of the discussion, it is OUR reaction to this (being adults watching a supposedly adult programming block).

as for backlash and such, this isn't that, so much as a healthy discussion. again, I applaud you on not making this a flame war, as many fanatics would.

thanks again.

[FightingDreamer]

Regarding JTurner's views: I think you need to get some more DVDs. There's lots of quality series that I've been exposed to thanks to DVD, and there's a much more diverse lineup from various companies than what you generally see on American TV. Regarding Geass, I think it's a blast, a fun show that nonetheless has some very serious elements under the surface. I never liked Death Note much, to be honest; sure, the mental dueling between Light and L was entertaining, but the repugnant morality present in many characters eventually turned me off. Seriously, how can people actually like Light? And I still don't see how being Kira makes him attractive to seriously disturbed women like Misa or that older woman whose name I can't remember. Geass is more fun and colorful, and C.C. is an incredibly entertaining character.

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Originally posted byJTurner54
Yeah I forgot to list an example. The two most recent ones I've seen were Inuyasha and Tokko. Inuyasha and Tokko also do something that I'm getting tired of in anime: Ending without a solid conclusion. S-cry-ed was also the same way; some would say Fullmetal Alchemist as well.

I'll give you Inuyasha (never saw Tokko) but S-Cry-Ed and FMA did have solid endings actually. I could see why you didn't think S-Cry-Ed didn't but really the whole point of the show became Kazuma vs Ryuhou so it made sense to end on they're final battle and see Kazuma won it (of course saying who won is one of those "opening a can of debating worms" you really shouldn't do, like saying Vash killed Knives in Trigun). FMA also had a full ending, provided you saw the movie. That ended the show actually pretty well and provided a stable conclusion. If you go by just the series it didn't, but the series ending was just a way to get you to watch the movie which had the real ending in it.


The thing is Shin Chan's humor is childish and (the main reason I dislike Shin Chan) forced. I agree with you on your general point, but I still feel Shin Chan is going to attract children who are going to stay up past their bedtime to watch something "adult" that makes them think they're adults.

Something you have to remember about this version of dubbed Shin-Chan.

1. Shin-Chan is a kids/family show in Japan so of course the visuals are going to seem more aimed towards children then a regular adult show. (Of course over in Japan there's a whole different opinion on what's considered "approriate" to show to children and what isn't and they can get away with more then we can over here when it comes to child friendly).

2. The dub team was told to make the dialogue more hip and contempoary and "Family Guyish" by AS themselves I beleive to make the show more appeasable to the AS auidence and they ran with it. Yeah there is a lot of fart/poop/ass jokes in it but there are also some social commentary lines and refrences made specifically for adults. And really Family Guy has only a smige lower amount of gross humor then your average Shin Chan so really this dubbed shin is made for adults since a lot of adults (whether you don't want to admitt it) do find those jokes funny. Maybe not in Shin chan but in general.

I do agree that JTurner that Code Geass is a bit overhyped (though the last ep was pretty good) since it is kind of just another mech show with some sort of interesting but at the same time a lot of overdone ideas. Death Note deserves it's hype for being a whole lot different then pretty much any Shonen show around it and succeeding but Geass really dosen't. Not that it's bad but not the godsend some people around here make of it.

More on topic, but between the girl's comment here and Milly's comment towards Shirley a few eps back, this also seems to be a show subtley enforcing lesbian scenes. Not as much as Bleach does but it's still kind of cool to notice, if you know what I mean (which one is the pervetic smile again?:sweat: ).

[Classic Speedy]

Something you have to remember about this version of dubbed Shin-Chan.

1. Shin-Chan is a kids/family show in Japan so of course the visuals are going to seem more aimed towards children then a regular adult show. (Of course over in Japan there's a whole different opinion on what's considered "approriate" to show to children and what isn't and they can get away with more then we can over here when it comes to child friendly). Eh? I thought Shin-chan was seinen.

[Beat]

Eh? I thought Shin-chan was seinen.

Hardly. It's a kids show given a Western adult dub.

[Classic Speedy]

Hardly. It's a kids show given a Western adult dub. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weekly_Manga_Action

[bigdeath]

What genre a show is in doesn't matter. As long as it is made in Japan then its anime. Even if its a kid show. :sweat:

[livingfruitvirus]

Code Geass is not the ambassador of anime. Just quit watching it. It's one of dozens and dozens of series that premiere annually.

[Rolling Cloud]

FMA also had a full ending, provided you saw the movie. That ended the show actually pretty well and provided a stable conclusion. If you go by just the series it didn't, but the series ending was just a way to get you to watch the movie which had the real ending in it.

Um, that's only the anime ending. The manga isn't done yet.

[Juu-kuchi]

Oh c'mon. Eiken's a more likely candidate to turn off somebody from anime than Code Geass. And that's probably within the first few seconds after you look at its DVD cover.

[dawnyoshi]

It's been developing over time. As a matter of face, I've developed a list of keywords in an anime title that determine if the anime is bad. So far, there's Blood (Trinity Blood, Blood+), Chan (Crayon Shin Chan, Super Milk Chan), and Plus (Macross Plus, Blood+). I'm ready to add "Code (Code Geass, Code Lyoko)" to the list.

Many of these shows are repetitive so of course younger audiences who never saw a "collect them all" series are going to enjoy these shows. I also don't recall seeing anime fans over the age of 30 so I'm thinking anime truly is for kid's only with an casual good title showing up every now and then for an older audience. Adult Swim admitted the anime scene sucks now and they're right. It also explains why I like 1-2 of the new anime they show each year (usually debuting at the end of the year).

MS 8th team about summarizes every gundam plot ever. And in a short 13 episodes, thereby making it the best (gundam is heavily overrated and over the top to a level I can't really bare at this point, 8th team is perhaps the most realistic feeling to me in terms of its war themes).

And I think turner has a point. We're lucky to get a few decent shows in the US (ala Death Note) but a lot of stuff coming out in Japan is garbage. More of the same, more than 100 episodes per series and that's a short runner compared to some.

Admittedly I had to go and see the rest of Code Geass after getting to the Zero episode. I'm not sure if it's necessarily the plot that it is the over-the-top drama that just looks so absurdly interesting, or if it's the fact that the show ends with REALLY excellent cliffhangers.

Regardless it's one that has me coming back to it. It's nothing like Bebop but it's a refreshing change from what all of the new Yu-Gi-Ohs and other assorted collect-them-all (as you put it) shows that litter the air waves as anime.

[JTurner954]

Imagine my surprise when I see a post I made in a Code Geass talkback has turned into a separate thread. I don't know if I should be honored that my views were strong enough to have its own discussion or offended that I tried over and over to stay ontopic and instead I see the title "Code Geass is turning me off anime" as if a) I created the title, and b) it's the only show that made me feel this way even though I already said constant trends in anime have led me to change my opinion on the genre. A different title to this new thread would be appreciated.



To FightingDreamer: You're right, I need more DVD's. Unfortunately, I can't afford them like I use to (the price I pay for finances and adulthood) so channels like Cartoon Network and Sci Fi are my only source of anime.

I really wish more anime from the past would resurface and some "old, but hasn't been on TV" shows would air. I'd personally like to see BGC2040 or another show with a group of women as the main characters air on CN/AS. The only anime I know of that kind that has aired is Sailor Moon (another show I haven't seen).

[Classic Speedy]

A different title to this new thread would be appreciated. Yeah, I wasn't sure what to name the thread. Hope the new name is a bit better. :)

[RockmanDash]

I really wish more anime from the past would resurface and some "old, but hasn't been on TV" shows would air. I'd personally like to see BGC2040 or another show with a group of women as the main characters air on CN/AS. The only anime I know of that kind that has aired is Sailor Moon (another show I haven't seen).

It's a shame School Rumble does not air xD.

[Super_Staff]

Ee-yeah. As someone else here said, if you don't like it, don't watch it anymore even if you like one of the characters. I don't watch much anime on TV nowadays, the most I ever see is a couple of episodes of whatever's showing on Adult Swim on a Saturday night every so often.

Code Geass is not the best or the worst show I've ever seen. Some people hate or love it waaay too passionately if you ask me. :ack: But, yeah, there's way too much variety in anime/manga to just, like, call it quits just because of one show that is not to your liking. Go research online or scan the local FYE if you'd like to find something that you'd like better.

[warnerbroman]

Oh c'mon. Eiken's a more likely candidate to turn off somebody from anime than Code Geass. And that's probably within the first few seconds after you look at its DVD cover.not me I like agent aika and other ecchi anime (though eiken is weird)