Metal Gear Solid 4 has 90-Minute Cutscenes.

[MegaJ]

http://kotaku.com/392923/mgs4-has-90+minute-cutscenes?cpage=3

I don't even know where to begin.

[Classic Speedy]

Oh why don't they just make a movie already.

[Captain Highwind]

Awesome.

[Beat]

Xenosaga has been dethroned in the "Where's the freaking fast forward button?!" contest.

90 minutes? This isn't a game, or a movie. It's a TV miniseries!

[Chris Sanders MSX]

it's always better to WATCH a game than actually play it. wow.

Thats so stupid, it's like, either sit through this or never know the entire story. I can barely sit through a two hour movie, but who wants to stop playing a videogame for 90 minutes to watch teh story develop. If this were for the ending It'd be awesome.

[Captain Highwind]

I see Square and Konami getting ready to merge companies soon.

[Juu-kuchi]

Wow. I think we're having a bit of a bad case of a pattern.

MGS1 was awesome, MGS2 was good but sucked, MGS3 was back to form, then MGS4 is repeating the same mistakes as MGS2.

Nice.

[GWOtaku]

I'd be curious to know how much gameplay there actually is compared to all of those cutscenes. It'd be very unfortunate if such a highly anticipated game is artificially stretched out by all of those movies.

[Classic Speedy]

Wow. I think we're having a bit of a bad case of a pattern. Do you mean in terms of gameplay or the amount of cinemas? Because MGS3 had just as many cinemas as 2 (if not more).

[ShadowGUN]

So? This is Metal Gear. It always been about cinematic story first, gameplay second. This why I love the series.

Besides if people should be complaining about something it should be 4.6 GB installation. (http://kotaku.com/5010647/metal-gear-solid-4-box-says-46-gb-installation)

[Eddy]

So? This is Metal Gear. It always been about cinematic story first, gameplay second. This why I love the series.
I don't mind a game being a little cutscene heavy if the plot is interesting enough.

But, come on, you have to admit that 90 minutes is really pushing it.

[Juu-kuchi]

Do you mean in terms of gameplay or the amount of cinemas? Because MGS3 had just as many cinemas as 2 (if not more). Well they most definitely weren't as convoluted and annoying as MGS2's were. MGS4 from the looks of things may have the potential to emulate MGS2's cinematic shortcomings.

I don't want a 30 minute boss introduction where they talk about war, death, and Dutch tulip farms thank you very much.

[Beat]

Wow. I think we're having a bit of a bad case of a pattern.

MGS1 was awesome, MGS2 was good but sucked, MGS3 was back to form, then MGS4 is repeating the same mistakes as MGS2.

Nice.

Oh, so it's reverse Star Trek?

[Tenku]

Wow, 90 minutes?

Hmm... well, all I have to say is that I hope no one with a weak/small/kinda full bladder plays that.


Do you mean in terms of gameplay or the amount of cinemas? Because MGS3 had just as many cinemas as 2 (if not more).

Cinema wise, it does, I think, but it's in smaller parts and breaks. The only big cutscene I can think of right now is pretty much the ending after the final fight.

[Juu-kuchi]

Oh, so it's reverse Star Trek? There's a slight possibility.

[ShadowGUN]

Wow, 90 minutes?

Hmm... well, all I have to say is that I hope no one with a weak/small/kinda full bladder plays that.


Actually you can pause the cinemas in the game. You can still go to the bathroom and not miss anything.

[Jave]

But that's not all, folks!

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/30306/Metal-Gear-Solid-4-rated-15

According to that site, the combined time of the cutscenes and videos goes over 9 hours. 9 HOURS.

[Captain Highwind]

Blu-Ray Abuse!

[Anyone00]

Blu-Ray Abuse!

That and an overinflated developers' ego.

[Beat]

9 hours?

NINE HOURS?!

That's longer than the Lord of the Rings Trilogy! (The theatre version)

[Juu-kuchi]

Kojima I hope will be crippled by his own ambitions if the 9 hour run time is a problem. Maybe he should go back for a while to Boktai and Zone of the Enders.

Although I have an idea. Why don't they have a Save feature during a cutscene. So you can do wahtever you want, and then come back to it at a later time and continue from there. But no I don't think that'll be the case.

[Classic Speedy]

That's longer than the Lord of the Rings Trilogy! (The theatre version) Speaking of which, the super long ending to MGS3 was eerily reminiscent of Return of the King's ending-upon-ending-upon-ending, and that isn't a good thing.

[Icer]

9 hours of cutscenes...yikes. I hope the gameplay keeps you entertained enough that the constant and long cutscenes dont detract from the game.

Watch dont play!

[Captain Highwind]

I hope they don't put a 40-minute chunk at the very beginning with the in-game tutorial.

I think I forgot a majority of the mechanics in MGS2 because of that.

[TKnHappyNess]

I wonder if people are mistaken. It's probably supposed to say 90 minute cutscenes. In other words, 90 cutscenes that are a minute long.

[kenjisalk]

I wonder if people are mistaken. It's probably supposed to say 90 minute cutscenes. In other words, 90 cutscenes that are a minute long.

THIS.

I doubt it will be 90 minutes of uninterrupted cut scene. These "news postings" are questionable at best.

Though it's no surprise since there are tons of people wanting this game to phail, due to "hype" or some such sillyness.

[Peter Paltridge]

I wonder if people are mistaken. It's probably supposed to say 90 minute cutscenes. In other words, 90 cutscenes that are a minute long.
You better be right on that. The best thing about MGS3 was the gameplay, and that they gave you a lot of it--in addition to a non-confusing storyline. If this stupid rumor is true, maybe I don't need MGS4 on the 360 after all.

Having this be wrong would be a relief, but Kojima's legendary eccentricity doesn't make me hold my breath. Remember that he said they'd managed to fill up the 50GB in the Blu-Ray disc and had to start compressing. No other developer has had that problem!

And MGS3's ending wasn't that long.

[Desensitized]

But that's not all, folks!

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/30306/Metal-Gear-Solid-4-rated-15

According to that site, the combined time of the cutscenes and videos goes over 9 hours. 9 HOURS.That doesn't sound like 90, one minute cutscenes to me. When has Kojima every relied on one minute cutscenes, anyway?

[ShadowGUN]

But that's not all, folks!

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/30306/Metal-Gear-Solid-4-rated-15

According to that site, the combined time of the cutscenes and videos goes over 9 hours. 9 HOURS.

I dont think they mean cutscenes alone.


On its website, the BBFC reveales that the game has a 'total running time' of 545m 47s (9hrs; 5 mins; 47 secs).

I think is 9 hours including gameplay and cutscenes.

Besides most the cutscenes probably belong to the optional interactive (http://kotaku.com/386212/will-mgs-4-feature-playable-mgs-flashbacks) flashback (http://kotaku.com/386418/more-info-about-metal-gear-solid-4-flashbacks).

[Taekmkm]

MGS Cutscenes are far more interesting than Xenosaga.
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[MegaJ]

I think is 9 hours including gameplay and cutscenes.

The MGS series gameplay length usually clocks in at about 12-15 hours.

[Desensitized]

So either the game is 9 hours long, or it has 9 hours of cut-scenes? Neither of those seem preferable to me, but it all depends how well it turns out, I guess.

[Harlan_Phoenix]

Well, at least Kojima has finally accomplished his dream of becoming a movie director.

[Jave]

I'm willing to bet the 9 Hours is for cutscenes. You'll see it's clocked specifically as 9 hours, 5 mins, 47 seconds, and you can't clock something as relative as gameplay precisely to the second. They're obviously talking of the "fixed" stuff, like cutscenes.

[Captain Highwind]

interactive (http://kotaku.com/386212/will-mgs-4-feature-playable-mgs-flashbacks)

A remake of a remake?

[WolfieKiwi]

After the game comes out, I wouldn't be surprised of Kojima took all the cut scenes from MGS4 and put them in a DVD to sell as a movie.

Well at least there's a pause mechanism involved.

[Icer]

It takes 24-29 hours to beat the game according to people who have played it in the game industry. So it's definitely looking like that 9 hour play time is cut scenes. Not total game play. And that the 90 minute one is real

[Jave]

What is the longest cutscene ever prior to this game, anyway? I remember reading that Xenosaga has cutscenes that clock around 30 minutes.

[SuperPhillip]

Source: Kotaku
Me: LOL

[ShadowGUN]

And speaking cutscenes: Naomi and Olga daughter cooking an egg (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/34393.html).
Truly an EPIC scene :p .

[Bat Bruce]

Just to throw more speculation out there.
http://dailygamesnews.blogspot.com/2008/05/gamepro-kills-mgs4-90-minute-cut-scene.html

I've noticed a lot of backlash around the old interweb for this game the last couple of days, why?

[mookie75]

Little do we realize, it's actually a 90 minute codec conversation! And it's between Jack and Rose! Mwa ha ha ha ha! :p

[ShadowGUN]

Just to throw more speculation out there.
http://dailygamesnews.blogspot.com/2008/05/gamepro-kills-mgs4-90-minute-cut-scene.html

I've noticed a lot of backlash around the old interweb for this game the last couple of days, why?

Cool. Guess this mean I was right about those 9 hours being about the gameplay and cutscenes put together.

[Tash]

Darn, I was kind of hoping to see how he'd come up with enough material to fill 9 hours.

[BlackCat]

With them teasing those playable flashbacks, the gameplay/cutscene merger sounds more reasonable.

[Ykwia]

Wow... 90 minutes... That's That's long.

[TacoHunter]

This has always been my problem with MGS.

You remember playing MGS1, having all that fun, and beating it in 10 hours. Oh man, that was awesome. Then you play through it again and skip all the cut scenes and codex conversations and suddenly it turned in to a 2 hour game.

MGS and Xenosaga are the games that made me hate story based games. Before those series I really did like RPGs and the like. But now...give me a good action game over that mindless dribble any day.

[Keiji Dragon]

When I first heard of this, I thought: "So what am going to be I doing, playing a game or watching a movie?"

[Bat Bruce]

When I first heard of this, I thought: "So what am going to be I doing, playing a game or watching a movie?"
You've played Metal Gear before right? We all know at some points in the games the controller will be used as a paper weight rather than for playing the game.

[Captain Highwind]

Darn, I was kind of hoping to see how he'd come up with enough material to fill 9 hours.

Easy. Just have Snake get paged by an old mentor unexpectedly. After a few minutes in conversation, Kojima slips in hours upon hours of military jargon from an old training manual.

[Zach]

I don't really care, honestly. When I'm tired of watching, I'll pause and go do something else for a while.

[Darklordavaitor]

OVER 9 HOURS?

So, that means, OVER 900 SECONDS?

Sorry, I just had to.

[Zeonic Freak]

Snake: "Otacon, im coming around the corner to meet with Liquid"
<Snake turns Corner>
<Long dramatic plot/story development>
<Snake falls asleep>
<60 minutes in convo> Snake:''...HA, wha? Im sorry, im old, i fell asleep"

Well, old people are good at telling long stories, so both Ocelot and Snake are old, so makes since...

[Classic Speedy]

You've played Metal Gear before right? We all know at some points in the games the controller will be used as a paper weight rather than for playing the game. I think we all knew a lot of cinemas would be the case for the new game. We just didn't know how much.

And the amount, I think, is what's throwing off a lot of people with this game. There's only so much you can toy with the gaming audience before they say, "Uh... I'm playing a VIDEO GAME, right?" The story may be excellent (and that's debatable, as I couldn't get into MGS3's story to save my life), but if the actual gameplay only amounts to a couple hours total, what's the point? If you play it through once or twice and leave it on the shelf, why bother in the first place if it won't have any replay value down the line?

I was saying this to Dalek last night: MGS4 should have lots of interactive cinemas. And no, I don't mean short "push a button at the right time" sequences that are over in 30 seconds. I mean something that moves the story forward, but also allows you to actually keep your hands on the controller and feel like you're part of the action, not a bystander.

[Bat Bruce]

I was saying this to Dalek last night: MGS4 should have lots of interactive cinemas. And no, I don't mean short "push a button at the right time" sequences that are over in 30 seconds. I mean something that moves the story forward, but also allows you to actually keep your hands on the controller and feel like you're part of the action, not a bystander.

I read somewhere they were doing something with the cutscenes, but i dont know what. Hopefully the reviews start coming in soon

[TacoHunter]

I was saying this to Dalek last night: MGS4 should have lots of interactive cinemas. And no, I don't mean short "push a button at the right time" sequences that are over in 30 seconds. I mean something that moves the story forward, but also allows you to actually keep your hands on the controller and feel like you're part of the action, not a bystander.


Well, if its going to be anything like the last few games, the cut scenes will be kind of interactive. You will have some limited controls on the camera, changing angels, zoom in and out, pan, and probably a few other things that I can't think of.

You're still not playing the game, but I guess people that like to feel like directors might enjoy it.

[DarthGonzo]

*stumbles upon thread. reads it*

Say what now?!?? 9 hours worth of cut scenes? Even having to wait for a game to load is too long for me when I just want to play the flippin' thing. What's the appeal?

[Bat Bruce]

I read somewhere they were doing something with the cutscenes, but i dont know what. Hopefully the reviews start coming in soon
I've read a review & it looks like the cutscene addition is the ability to watch flashbacks of what the characters are talking about. That should calm people down over this, the ability to make cutscenes even longer.

[Vidfreak]

So? This is Metal Gear. It always been about cinematic story first, gameplay second. This why I love the series.

Besides if people should be complaining about something it should be 4.6 GB installation. (http://kotaku.com/5010647/metal-gear-solid-4-box-says-46-gb-installation)

I don't see the problem with the required install. Its not like the PS3 hurts for HDD space. I deleted my GTA4 install data as soon as i beat the game.

[Wonderwall]

*stumbles upon thread. reads it*

Say what now?!?? 9 hours worth of cut scenes? Even having to wait for a game to load is too long for me when I just want to play the flippin' thing. What's the appeal?

90 minutes is far shorter than 9 hours.

[Goodfellow]

I read over on some site that that 90 minute cutscene is completey exagerrated. The reviewer said it just feels like it is 90 minutes, even though it truly is not.

[TacoHunter]

I don't feel like starting a new threat, so I'll high jack this one for a bit.

It seems Konami is forcing reviewers to not comment on MGS4 until after it is released. By comment, I mean talk about the cut scenes, and the installation.

It seems on top of the 9 hours of cut scenes you'll also need 1 hour to install the game at the start.

Reviewers like EGM aren't going to be releasing they're review until after the game is released so they can comment on those downsides without feeling the wrath of Konami.

Anyway...I'm excepting this game to be one of the bigger disappointments of the year. But then again, I've always hated MGS, so maybe I'm just bias.

[Goodfellow]

I don't feel like starting a new threat, so I'll high jack this one for a bit.

It seems Konami is forcing reviewers to not comment on MGS4 until after it is released. By comment, I mean talk about the cut scenes, and the installation.

It seems on top of the 9 hours of cut scenes you'll also need 1 hour to install the game at the start.

Reviewers like EGM aren't going to be releasing they're review until after the game is released so they can comment on those downsides without feeling the wrath of Konami.

Anyway...I'm excepting this game to be one of the bigger disappointments of the year. But then again, I've always hated MGS, so maybe I'm just bias.

No, I think Konami just does not want fans to have the ending ruined for them. I highly doubt this game is going to be anything but superfluous. As for the one hour install, very doubtful, doubtful indeed. Even DMC4 took about 15 minutes whereas people were saying it was a half hour. People have to start speaking in reality instead of how something just felt.

[ShadowGUN]

I don't feel like starting a new threat, so I'll high jack this one for a bit.

It seems Konami is forcing reviewers to not comment on MGS4 until after it is released. By comment, I mean talk about the cut scenes, and the installation.

It seems on top of the 9 hours of cut scenes you'll also need 1 hour to install the game at the start.

Reviewers like EGM aren't going to be releasing they're review until after the game is released so they can comment on those downsides without feeling the wrath of Konami.

Anyway...I'm excepting this game to be one of the bigger disappointments of the year. But then again, I've always hated MGS, so maybe I'm just bias.

Nah is not Konami doing, it the Patriots censorship program from MGS2:p .

DAMN THE PATRIOTS!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bXXgqsyPVk)

Anyway as for the game being a dissapointment I really doubt it. After all MGS4 is the real reason a lot people bought a PS3 not mention reviews are so far positive.

[Wade Kruse]

*stumbles upon thread. reads it*

Say what now?!?? 9 hours worth of cut scenes? Even having to wait for a game to load is too long for me when I just want to play the flippin' thing. What's the appeal?

The appeal is the fantastic story that is coming to a conclusion after a decade of buildup. Metal Gear Solid is a plot driven, cinematic game and always has been. The gameplay has always been good, but a lot of us play them specifically for the story and characters.

People who "just want to play" are not and have never been the target demographic.

Bring on the cutscenes. I can't wait to see how it all ends.

[Bat Bruce]

The appeal is the fantastic story that is coming to a conclusion after a decade of buildup.
Actually its 20 years ;) But thats besides the point, whats with all the backlash for this game, its not even out yet, atleast wait 2 weeks, then if its bad as people seem to think it is now bury it all day long but atleast give it a chance.

[G1Ravage]

IGN UK has given MGS4 a 9.9, calling it a masterpiece of gaming, and the best Metal Gear ever.

[Desensitized]

People who "just want to play" are not and have never been the target demographic.You mean "gamers"? ;)

Makes sense, though. I haven't enjoyed a MGS game since the first one.

[Anyone00]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIf50BFFReY

[Captain Highwind]

^Okay, a lot of that looked like splicing reused footage to lengthen the time to three minutes, but I can't explain away the tiger posing.