Wtf?!!! Rocky And Bullwinkle On Adult Swim?!

[Captin "Hank" Murphy]

HAS CARTOON NETWORK LOST THEIR F*&$ING MINDS?!!!

After Space Gohst, I was seeing the AS intros still going(thinking they have a surprize new show) but when the show showed, it was Rocky and Bullwinkle, and now the same with Popeye. Nobody in their right minds would concider that show AS material. Uhhhhg... they even have the AS comercial breaks! What were they thinking?!

[The Drizzle]

Originally posted by Captin "Hank" Murphy
HAVE CARTOON NETWORK LOST THEIR F*&$ING MINDS?!!!

After Space Gohst, I was seeing the AS intros still going(thinking they have a surprize new show) but when the show showed, it was Rocky and Bullwinkle. Nobody in their right minds would concider that show AS material. What were they thinking?!

I had the same reaction. UGH!!!:mad: :confused: And people were complaining about Outlaw Star and Tenchi......

[redneckgoliath]

I was recording adult swim for a friend and stoped it when rocky and bulwinkle began, it's stupid filler.

[Mattashell]

Jay Ward's program's provide the same bizzare sense of wit that we all enjoy in the Williams Street programs. It is more enjoyable to adults then to kids. Why do you need to bash it. If you don't like it change the channel, I'm sure as an "adult" you would be far more entertained by the variety of infomercials presented at this hour. Or better yet go to bed! It's the middle of the night on a Sunday, don't you people have jobs to got to?

[Captin "Hank" Murphy]

:confused: Uhhhhh........ Mattashell, no offence, but the reason they call it Adult Swim is because it has mature cartoons for ADULTS!!! It may have been on when the adults of today were kids, but that's still no reason to put a KIDS SHOW on a block made for ADULTS!

They showed the 18+ warning before they showed RnB for crying out loud!!! :mad:

[Killtacular]

Woops. A teenager thinks he's adult again.




If you fail to see the adult side of Bullwinkle, you should probably go watch SMACKDOWN or MTV or something more suited to your age.

[Calhoun07]

I am not saying I want Rocky and Bullwinkle on Adult Swim, but Rocky and Bullwinkle has always appealed to more adults than kids. Even when I was a kid, my dad enjoyed the show more than I did (I think cuz he got more jokes!). The audience Rocky and Bullwinkle is directed to is a cut above the average cartoon. Don't condemn it so quickly.

[Mattashell]

Adult Swim ends at midnight. Cowboy Bebop was moved to Sunday and was not replaced thus it is not part of Adult Swim. However I don't think of R&B as a kiddie show. I discovered it at age sixteen and at 25 I appreciate it still, in a way that children just wouldn't get. I am on the west coast, and for me, tonight's AS hasn't aired yet. But I knew there would be no 12:00 show tonight just from reading the posts on this board. Personally I'm glad R&B is back and I'm looking forward to seeing it tonight.

[Captin "Hank" Murphy]

Yes, I know all about the inside jokes(well that's mostly all I remeber of it.), but seeing old cartoons when adults were kids is what the channel Boomerang is for.

[Mattashell]

Originally posted by Captin "Hank" Murphy
Yes, I know all about the inside jokes(well that's mostly all I remeber of it.), but seeing old cartoons when adults were kids is what the channel Boomerang is for.

I don't like that Boomerang chanel (well actually my cable company doesn't carry it but I've seen the late night preveiws.) Those shows are really awful and they don't stack up to Jay Ward's writing. But I don't think R&B is part of Adult Swim. It's just late night CN programming that runs after AS

[Captin "Hank" Murphy]

Well I think this is like calling the The Little Mermaid a porno flick, naming Dick Dastardly the rencarnation of Aldof Hitler,.... claiming Toon Disney is a better cartoon channel than CN.(and you know that last one is a lie.)

[Fata Morgana]

Thank you, Mattashell, for putting it so well. Captain Murphy, you're a dink. If you don't like a show, don't watch it. Nobody wants to hear your *****ing.

Fata Morgana

[Joe Tully]

Originally posted by Captin "Hank" Murphy
Yes, I know all about the inside jokes(well that's mostly all I remeber of it.), but seeing old cartoons when adults were kids is what the channel Boomerang is for.

You're completely right. You know what they should put in that slot instead? More Home Movies reruns. That would be a thrill. :rolleyes:

They don't have enough shows to fill up the block. If you don't like their substitutes, then change the channel. The block is for adult programming, and R&B is closer to being adult than some of the other AS shows. I guess your complaint is "It's old, I don't like it," but it belongs there more than some of the other AS material.

[Chibi Kageboshi]

OR Harvey Birdman

[Captin "Hank" Murphy]

Ok Ok, I guessI said what I said because I was still in shock from this surpize move CN did for AS. Well maybe your right, it's probally a cool move to put in shows that takes the Adults back to their childhood. Sorry I was being such dink. :p

[Killtacular]

GREAT IDEA! Let's air the same two episodes over and over again! :P






Or you could wait until July and see all 24.

[Calhoun07]

I think some of you need to take a chill pill. I am reading personal attacks being bantered about here and I am not sure if they are meant to be serious. Nobody seems to have taken offense to them yet, but it might be wise to just tone things down a tad.

[William C. Maune]

[indent]Just because something doesn't having a cursing, blood, violence, sexual situations, etc. doesn't mean it is not adult. "Adult" and "mature" relate to the content and how it is presented. Take David Lynch's "The Straight Story" for example. It was rated G, but definitely aimed at adults, not kids. Just because kids can enjoy Rocky and Bullwinkle doesn't mean it's not adult. A lot of the jokes and especially the themes and commentary of the series would easily fly over the heads of kids. I applaud Adult Swim for showing Rocky and Bullwinkle and I will definitely have to remember to watch next week.
[indent]Popeye is a little more questionable, but you have to look at when it was originally made. The original shorts played in theatres and were aimed at adults. They played before and or between the features, especially back in the studio era (if I am remembering my film class right).

[Fata Morgana]

Actually, rather than Popeye, I wish they would show uncut Bugs Bunny shorts and/or Sgt. Snafu uncut. Now _those_ were adult. But I can hear the outcry already if CN did something like that. . .

Fata Morgana

[DR. BELCH]

...I don't know. I was thrown for a loop. I was hoping at least for one of Popeye's wartime pictures, like "Spinach for Britan", but it was pretty mundane, and an ep I'd seen. I admit the moose and squirrel's little in-jokes and such may go over kid's heads, but still, that imbecilic disclaimer before the program doesn't help the case any.
Admittedly I'm annoyed at missing "Cowboy Funk", and by my calculations will have to wait about twenty weeks to see it again on Saturday, on a rerun cycle.
"That voice! Where have I heard that voice?" They are right, newspapers do seem to recycle headlines...ten million of them all seem to say the exact same thing....

[Fata Morgana]

Originally posted by DR. BELCH
I admit the moose and squirrel's little in-jokes and such may go over kid's heads, but still, that imbecilic disclaimer before the program doesn't help the case any.


Yeah, well. . . I thought that putting disclaimers before all the shows was dumb the first time I saw it. I mean, it really isn't _necessary_ before Home Movies. Or for Baby Blues, for that matter. And it was never necessary for Space Ghost before; why now? I think they'll quit doing it after a while, once they've established the block(s) a little bit more.



Admittedly I'm annoyed at missing "Cowboy Funk", and by my calculations will have to wait about twenty weeks to see it again on Saturday, on a rerun cycle.

What a charming opportunity for you to spend $25 on a DVD. :) And considering how HILARIOUS Andy is in Japanese, you'd really be getting two Andy's for the price of one. C'mon, what are you waiting for? :p

Fata Morgana

[Jimmy Kustes]

This is the reason CN took Cartoon Planet and O Canada off the air, because they think the viewers want to watch more DBZ and Scooby Doo.

I can't believe you complain about R&B, this MIDNIGHT showing is the best timeslot they have given it in awhile. It is a shame that CN has the rights to show Jay Ward stuff like Underdog and George of the Jungle, and they don't.

[SSJ_Gogeta]

It is filler guys! Popeye & R&B are placeholders until they get something. Instead of leaving in CB to finish up on Sunday they want you to watch it on Saturday.

Don't worry we will have new shows.

[moldorm]

At least they got the rating right. (TV-G)
Since the block isn't targeted at kids, they shouldn't use the TV-Y or TV-Y7 rating for any of the programs. They should use TV-G or TV-PG, whichever is more appropiate for the program.

[Morgan Sloat]

Sorry I am not going to bash the show in any way, however I am SICK of seeing popeye as well as rocky and bullwinkle. I love both the shows, the time and the place was not then nor there. Not that they have anything to put there now, but I can see why they are not getting the ratings they could be getting.

[William C. Maune]

"This is the reason CN took Cartoon Planet and O Canada off the air, because they think the viewers want to watch more DBZ and Scooby Doo."

Er, when did DBZ or Scooby Doo ever replace Cartoon Planet or O Canada?

[Mr. X]

Sorry to all the CN apologists, but Rocky & Bullwinkle & Popeye (Popeye?!!!?) are nothing but filler. Yes, I know R&B is a classic cartoon that features "sophisticated" humor. Great. I've seen them all a million times, as I'm sure have most of the people in the target demographic. I also know that these were just taking up space until the new lineup changes take effect, but couldn't the last hour have been used as an ASA tie-in with one of the lesser known Saturday shows? And before you tell me to just go to bed, I did. But I would have rather had something even remotely compelling to keep me up...

[Mattashell]

If Cartoon Network would have a few more spin off channels. Popeye would have a better timeslot on an "Acme" channel. And Anime fans would see all the shows they love and moreon a Toonami network. We wouldn't be squabbling like this. CN doesn't have enough hours in a week, and I agree they show WAY too much Scooby Doo and Flintstones.

Matta :mad:

[Morgan Sloat]

Thats for sure. And to top it all off, what are they doing next week? They are having a damned flinstone marathon. Who do they consult for these damned things? People are more likely to watch a bravo marathon, or a OS marathon, or Big-O marathon. I mean seriously. Do they actually survey what shows are more preferred here?

[Joe Tully]

Y'know, it's amusing, because for every person who posts here to say "I hate Bullwinkle and Popeye, why didn't they put on something good," there's someone over at the TTTP who has said "What is this Adult Swim junk? I hate anime, why don't they put on something good like Bullwinkle or Popeye?"

I don't see why everyone has to be so closed-minded and complain about everything slightly different from what they expect. I guess some people want this to be an all Williams Street block, which would be *much* more mature, because it has swearing and explosions. :rolleyes: Ah well, you guys can complain all you want, I'm enjoying the block.

[Morgan Sloat]

I enjoy it all but I get tired of the SAME thing you know what I mean? They need to bring back SWAT kats and Pirates of Dark Water like back in 97-98 I loved those shows, throw thoes in their line up, (not AS mind you, just CN in general)

[Shnay]

Cartoon Network has branched off into a lot of directions (which is a good thing). But, one of the problems (for lack of a better word) with this is that, while all of the shows are animated, they can often attract very different audiences. Many viewers like most of the shows, but some of the people who watch The Flinstones are never going to watch Tenchi Muyo, and some of the people who watch Johnny Bravo are never going to watch Rocky and Bullwinkle.

I think CN can reach a lot of different audiences with their array of programming. And while this means that many different people can see shows they like, this also means that when they're not showing something that appeals to a certain audience, then someone is going to be unhappy.

Just look at what's happened in this thread. Someone makes a comment that they don't like R&B, so someone else makes a comment about Home Movies and Baby Blues, then someone else makes a comment about William Street shows. A little confusion about the labeling of the last hour and people begin taking shots at people's taste in shows. I realize that these comments were not meant to be taken too seriously. But they still show how people are divided in their opinions about shows (and that some will even attack other shows to defend their own tastes).

Most of the time, if you don't like something, it's not meant for you.

[Calhoun07]

Well put, Shnay. I think what Adult Swim does very well is offer programming for a wide cross section of people. It would be way too boring if all the shows were the same and just appealed to one kind of audience. In stead of criticizing AS for having different kinds of programming, we should be praising them. I don't think the block would do as well in the ratings if the segregated their audience and just focused on one type of programming.

[Mr. X]

...no, not everybody has to like the same shows, obviously. But by packaging a bunch of shows together in a specific time slot, using a unified graphic approach on the bumpers and commercials, etc., the network is trying to appeal to a more specific segment of their viewership. It's saying in effect, "You like [show A]? Then we think you'll like [show B]." They would like you to watch the entire block, not just one or two shows. To question whether Bullwinkle and Popeye (again, I ask: Popeye!!??!) fit in this block is completely appropriate. Cartoon Network is a business, folks, and as great as Adult Swim is (and I do think it's great) it's not a love letter to all the fanboys in video land. It's a product, subject to the same bottom line (ratings) as everything else on TV. In my opinion, dishing out retreads from the Turner vault is going to hurt that bottom line. What can you or I do about it? Very little, except discuss it in a public forum like this one. Discussion ain't necessarily bickering, right?

[Calhoun07]

There is nothing wrong with pointing out what you don't like and offering constructive ways to improve on the line up. I would almost rather see "Wait 'Til Your Father Gets Home" on instead of Popeye. At least that show would appeal to a larger adult demographic, even if it's more of a family sitcom in the way Baby Blues is. But if it's only temporary, I think it would work, and I can't recall the last time I saw that show on Cartoon Network, and when it was on, it was in the middle of the freegin night.

[Cactusjack1999]

Did anyone else just bust out laughing when they ran the AS "Disclaimer" for Rocky and Bullwinkle?

I sure as hell did.

I mean jeez they show that and then show the TV-G rating. Lord.

[Jimmy Kustes]

Originally posted by Cactusjack1999
Did anyone else just bust out laughing when they ran the AS "Disclaimer" for Rocky and Bullwinkle?

I sure as hell did.

I mean jeez they show that and then show the TV-G rating. Lord.

The TV-G rating is more hardcore than a TV-Y7 rating. That is some edgy stuff, man.

[Joe Tully]

Originally posted by Shnay

Just look at what's happened in this thread. Someone makes a comment that they don't like R&B, so someone else makes a comment about Home Movies and Baby Blues, then someone else makes a comment about William Street shows. A little confusion about the labeling of the last hour and people begin taking shots at people's taste in shows. I realize that these comments were not meant to be taken too seriously. But they still show how people are divided in their opinions about shows (and that some will even attack other shows to defend their own tastes).


Sorry if I came off as bashing Williams St., I actually love SGC2C, and their other shows aren't bad. I was just trying to make a point that swearing, explosions and a higher rating don't make a more adult show. For example, I could imagine a TV-PG satire, in the vein of of Doonesbury or the Howard the Duck comics (not the movie, the comics) being one of the most adult shows on the block over some of the TV-14 shows.

[Shnay]

Originally posted by Joe Tully


I was just trying to make a point that swearing, explosions and a higher rating don't make a more adult show.

I understand what you're saying, and i actually agree with you, too. This thread brings up the question of what "adult" and "mature" really are. I think any gratuitous blood or swearing would really be immature.

There are certainly some shows/movies/webcomics that have jokes that basically etend to "I said ****! Hahaha!" But I really don't think there's any of that on AS. I think, for the most part, any violence/language is used to enhance the comedy or action of a show, rather than simply being there because it's allowed.


Also, on a somewhat related note, I think the TV ratings system is definately flawed. If a show is slightly more mature than TV-Y7, then should it be TV-G? TV-PG? What if the show is animated, but it still has a lot of "fantasy violence?" The show would still be considered to be aimed at kids (whether it is or not), but maybe the violence makes innappropriate for people under the age of seven. Then what's the rating? Is it Y7 because it's supposed to be a "kids show," or is it PG because of the amount of violence? Or, I suppose, you could avoid this by cutting anything that might be considered objectionable to someone. :rolleyes:

[Calhoun07]

I think ratings systems as a whole are flawed. They are all subjective to ratings committes and stuffy suits who over react to every little thing that might be un-pc, wheter intentional or not by the show's creators. And I firmly believe ratings systems are more political than they are for the viewer or reader or listener or whatever. I mean, take a look at one of the first ratings systems created: the comic book code. That was created as a political backlash against EC because other comic book companies had it out for them.

[DR. BELCH]

--is, for my money, idiotic and inherently communist. But that's a different rant. Rocky and Bullwinkle works on multiple levels--none of Sealab's puerile "fart out loud and then laugh about it" humor; much more family-oriented. Sort of like sipping a glass of brandy after gorging two hours straight at a buffet.
For my money, that skintight little purple number Natasha wears is fanservice just as much as anything Faye Valentine prances about in. What can I say, I love women with accents--even pallid limited-animation ones....