Won't support Pilot Candidate, Gundam, Tenchi, and Outlaw Star?

[BattleToad]

Well then I won't support this site until you do.. I will try to find a a fansite that actualy supports the shows.. Stupid people..

[Killtacular]

Go right ahead. Support the kiddy-editted children's programming and continuous degradation of Toonami via taking its shows away.

But I will have no part of it.

[redneckgoliath]

Dude i liked the shows too, but aren't you getting a little bent out of shape? They don't like Baby Blues either, but you don't see me boycotting anything.

[Killtacular]

But Baby Blues is adult.

I'm not not-supporting those 4 shows on ASA because I hate them. I like Outlaw Star and 0083.

I'm not-supporting them because they're TV-Y7 and thus not adult, especially considering Tenchi and OLS are for teens in the first place.

I knew Tenchi and OLS would be TV-Y7 from the start and that's why I didn't add pages for them. Pilot Candidate and 0083 were advertised as TV-PG, and that's why I had them on the page, but then the decision was reversed, apparently, so I reversed my own actions and removed them.

[Chibi Kageboshi]

I support Matt 100% and think battletoad is a moron if he thinks those shows belong on adult swim.

[AgentMaxX]

definitely. ADULT swim shuld live up to it's name. tV-y7 doesnt really make me impressed with what they're doing here. If they want adult audiences, theyd at least air the partially uncut, like Cowboy Bebop. What kind of adult would watch anime thats edited down so far a 7 year old could watch it.?

[Detra]

Pilot Canadate and Gundam 0083 are temperary. CN is just showing them until they can aquire more adult series'. You didn't expect CN to pull a bunch of new anime series out of a hat did you? Editing, Dubbing, Liscensing, it all costs money, so just wait, because in the future Adult swim will be "Adult Swim".

[redneckgoliath]

detra are you sure about this or is this just a personal theory, btw i actually like Gundam 0083

[Killtacular]

They're temporary, but so are the shows on Adult Swim Comedy, and CN put a lot of money into THEM. If CN was serious about Adult Swim Action, they would shell out the money. It's not like they DON'T have it. They pay $300,000-400,000 per episode of Powerpuff Girls. They can afford to pay a fraction of that to change some edits. It's not THAT hard.

More to the point, they didn't have to try and hide the ratings as TV-PG when they were really TV-Y7. That was WRONG. VERY WRONG.

[Chibi Kageboshi]

YES. im giving Adult Swim a chance just because its there first year and i can accept SOME mistakes. also Matt which shows on Adult Swim Comedy are temporary?

[redneckgoliath]

I'm just curious what shows are temporary on adult swim comedy?

[Killtacular]

A couple of the Williams Street shows, Mission Hill, and The Oblongs.

[redneckgoliath]

wow, fast reply, I'm just glad you didn't say baby blues

[Chibi Kageboshi]

hmm thats kind of a shame.. i like series like those instead of say ATHF and Sea Lab....... OH WELL.... maybe they will make their own series.

[Killtacular]

Baby Blues might be renewed.

The third season would cost 15 MILLION DOLLARS.


And CN "can't afford" to re-edit the Action Shows? Yeah, Williams Street's budget is small, but this is also a block on Cartoon Network, and the ratings are what matters most to them, so if they want RATINGS, they'll want to preserve the animes in their true form, thus being able to keep adult viewers.. I'm sure a lot of people will be switching back to SNL or wrestling now...

[redneckgoliath]

I'm an idiot, so pardon this question, is 15 million allot?

[Killtacular]

Yes.

[redneckgoliath]

would you say it was more than CN is willing to spend?

[Chibi Kageboshi]

your right.. last night i found myself watching buffy and rosewell instead of the rest of adult swim...

[Chibi Kageboshi]

I love Baby Blues i hope it gets renewed.. i also like Home Movies so i hope those do stay... ElingtonVille or whatever looks pretty nice although the animation doesnt look to good so...

[redneckgoliath]

if you couldn't tell i'm a big fan of baby blues too, in fact after watching my second episode i found the website and read 5 years worth of archives in four days. I know that may seem scary, but i really didn't have anything else to do.

[Chibi Kageboshi]

i wish they would brin in hammie for season 3 or have wanda pregonant(that would be so funny)

[redneckgoliath]

yeah I really like hammie too, (Twucks!). Also i want an episode devoted to that time Wanda had the fight with the mother that hit her child in the grocery store.

[Sheamon]

Originally posted by nothing
this is the start of something really cool and hopefully will blow all of our minds when they can afford to bring in some cool stuff. imagine if they have the power to import a show immediately while it's still on the air in Japan?!

Which won't happen because it takes a lot of time to translate and dub something. I suppose they could do it with something like Inu-Yasha, but 99% of all shows don't have 100+ episodes like that show does.

As for the topic, I think you all know my position with them calling this block 'Adult Swim'.

[Killtacular]

Yes, William Street's budget is small, but it's impossible for WS to have paid for everything on AS and ASA, and for WS to renew Baby Blues and pay for it is ridiculously improbable. From what I heard, WS's budget is $50,000. Cartoon Network must have had to have helped invest money in Adult Swim and its acquisitions.




Really, there's no reason WHY Adult Swim can't get above a 2.0 rating a week.. but CN and WS get what they pay for, and the less they pay, the less viewers they shold expect..

[redneckgoliath]

so let me get this straight, you are saying the likelyhoood of a third season of Baby Blues is very unlikely?

[Killtacular]

No, it IS likely. It's just that WS would not be paying to have it produced. CN would be paying.

[redneckgoliath]

oh good, i really want to have the motormouth Zoe and for Hammie to join the cast.

[Morgan Sloat]

Originally posted by Chibi Kageboshi
your right.. last night i found myself watching buffy and rosewell instead of the rest of adult swim...

Sinner.


Personally I haven't been as irked as some. I agree with matt that it's ADULT SWIM, that means that we WANT to see blood, i want to see a little cursing, and I want to see some death scenes. It's ridiculous to call it AS if they have to edit out "ass"

[Killtacular]

I don't think many otakus or anime fans would appreciate animes prepared exclusively for Adult Swim, because then the DVDs wouldn't be uncut. And the main reason people buy DVD sets of animes is to have them uncut(unless they're getting DBZ or something).

[Gyro]

Originally posted by Matt Wilson
I don't think many otakus or anime fans would appreciate animes prepared exclusively for Adult Swim, because then the DVDs wouldn't be uncut. And the main reason people buy DVD sets of animes is to have them uncut(unless they're getting DBZ or something). I would appreciate it because I don't buy the DVDs just to see them uncut. I buy because I like the show.

[Jimmy Kustes]

Adult Swim Action makes no sense, robots in a pool?

Also does CN have a problem with showing Batman:TAS on at a decent hour? Does CN not know they own the rights to the most popular cartoon outside of Simpsons?

Redneck: Good to hear I am not the only one reading an Internet archive of strips, I am with The Boondocks.

From what I hear from Matt, Baby Blues would have to get the ratings in order to get a third season.

CN is getting really stupid, thinking they can get shows like Invader Zim and Baby Blues by dishing out the same amount of dough they do for SGC2C. You have to spend money to make money.

[Killtacular]

I didn't say that. I said that WS would never be able to afford to produce Baby Blues or acquire all those shows with that kind of budget, therefore CN must be paying for most of it. If Baby Blues costs 10 million to produce, CN would be paying it.

[Jimmy Kustes]

opps, let me put a break in there. :o

Well, I thought you said BB could get a new season if CN liked the ratings. The last part was personal opinion.

[Sheamon]

right... instead of a show going to DVD or home video first, it gets picked up for ASA before it goes to video. suppose CB did the re-airing on WOW WOW and then it was prepped for release in the US. imagine if we were able to watch it on TV before it comes out on video. that's the kind of power i'm talking about. i'm sure it's waaaay off in the future, but it could happen.
So? Thats not what you said. You were talking about shows being aired here in the US while still being on the air in Japan. Considering that most shows are either 13 or 26 episodes and it takes months to translate, dub, then edit for TV, the chances are nilch except for the occasional exception like Inu-Yasha which has so many episodes. Has little to do with the DVD/VHS release, atleast your first comment :p


I don't think many otakus or anime fans would appreciate animes prepared exclusively for Adult Swim, because then the DVDs wouldn't be uncut. And the main reason people buy DVD sets of animes is to have them uncut(unless they're getting DBZ or something).
I think it would be the companies (like Bandai, Sunrise, Pioneer, FUNI, ADV, etc...) that wouldn't like it, not necessarily the fans. I for one wouldn't mind :p If it aired on TV totally uncut they'd probably lose a lot of sales :( No sales = no revenue = no $$ for licensing/making more anime.

[KingKoopa]

Originally posted by Duncanzits
Also does CN have a problem with showing Batman:TAS on at a decent hour? Does CN not know they own the rights to the most popular cartoon outside of Simpsons?
Sundays at 7:30

[Sheamon]

actually, i don't think it would take months to translate/dub a show if the ASA team were involved from the inception. i'm thinking of something totally new. if ASA were to become a major force in domestic broadcast anime, they could get involved early enough in the process and work with the original producers to get the broadcast version done in sync with the original japanese version.

Yeah, that'd be great :D But for a block that only shows one show edited appropriately, I can't see any jap company teaming up with them right now.

[Chibi Kageboshi]

CN is getting really stupid, thinking they can get shows like Invader Zim and Baby Blues by dishing out the same amount of dough they do for SGC2C. You have to spend money to make money.

WOO are they still trying to get it?

[Nabuca]

Williams Street should have waited a few more months and used that time to get two new shows (Trigun, NTHT) and make the block 2 hours long until it got off its feet like the Comedy Block. If it was me running the show I would set up the block like this....
11 - Yu Yu Hakusho - TVPG
11:30 - Cowboy Bebop - TV14
12 - Trigun - TV14 (Pioneer wants this show on the air badly and CN and Pioneer have a very close relationship, but two and two together.)
12:30 - Now & Then, Here & There - TV14 (A newer anime series that is being released by Central Park Media, I doubt it wouldnt cost WS that much to aquire this show)

[KingKoopa]

I just learned that Batman and Superman are part of the Toonami Rising Sun. I really wonder why they didn't simply change the banners and have the TV-Y7 under the Toonami banners.

[The Drizzle]

The problem isn't necessarily the shows, but the fact that CN isn't re-editing OLS and Tenchi to fit AS. Both Outlaw Star and Tenchi Muyo are cool shows (as are Pilot Candidate and Gundam, which don't seem to be edited, much) but CN or WS or whoever is not paying the money to edit them over again, which is causing the problems with everyone. The only thing that should be edited out of Outlaw Star and Tenchi on AS is the word $#!t and the (constant ) nudity, and they should still be allowed to some extent.

I do think there are better shows than Pilot Candidate and Gundam 0083 to be on Adult Swim though. Trigun is one good example. Rurouni Kenshin, Evangelion, and Slayers (although this might be a bit to "kiddie" for AS) are other good examples. Adult Swim could be better than it is, on both nights.

On another note, I do not support the fact that this site doesn't support PC, Gundam, OLS, and Tenchi, but I will still visit the site. Just thought I'd get my opinion on that in too.

[dawnyoshi]

OLS and Tenchi SHOULD be as less edited as possible. Otherwise, it really isn't adult swim.

Lately, I've been disappointed in CN. They literally sleep with shows like PPG, but pay less attention to GOOD shows, like OLS and Tenchi. And the idea of Trigun on ASA=Good!

Personally, they should ditch one of those "midnight shows" they have listed (preferably PopEye. I see that enough on the Acme Hour) and replace it with Ranma 1/2. Either that, if they have to, feature it on ASA. It would be a good business move for CN and Viz, as Ranma 1/2 is one of the more popular animes out there from my perspective so far. If this got off the ground, they could show that Sci-Fi channel edit of the Fatal Fury movies on ASA, which RULE!

[Sheamon]

The only thing that should be edited out of Outlaw Star and Tenchi on AS is the word $#!t and the (constant ) nudity, and they should still be allowed to some extent.
I can't speak for Tenchi, but there's barely any nudity in Outlaw Star, even unedited. You see Suzuka's butt twice (once in her first episode and again in the Hot Springs episode), see Aisha topless for about 2 seconds in the Hot Springs episode, Melfina's butt in that episode where she heals Gene in the XGP, and full frontal nudity of Mel in the second to last episode. Totals about 15-20 seconds in the entire series. Its not exactly 'constant'. :p Frankly I don't see whats so expensive about editing out 15 seconds of nudity and dubbing over the word ***** about 10 times.

[The Drizzle]

Originally posted by Sheamon

I can't speak for Tenchi, but there's barely any nudity in Outlaw Star, even unedited. You see Suzuka's butt twice (once in her first episode and again in the Hot Springs episode), see Aisha topless for about 2 seconds in the Hot Springs episode, Melfina's butt in that episode where she heals Gene in the XGP, and full frontal nudity of Mel in the second to last episode. Totals about 15-20 seconds in the entire series. Its not exactly 'constant'. :p Frankly I don't see whats so expensive about editing out 15 seconds of nudity and dubbing over the word ***** about 10 times.

I don't see how expensive it would be to edit that stuff either, but I keep hearing it costs a lot of money. And by the way, Tenchi is chock full of nudity! lol

[The Drizzle]

Originally posted by dawnyoshi
Personally, they should ditch one of those "midnight shows" they have listed (preferably PopEye. I see that enough on the Acme Hour) and replace it with Ranma 1/2. Either that, if they have to, feature it on ASA. It would be a good business move for CN and Viz, as Ranma 1/2 is one of the more popular animes out there from my perspective so far. If this got off the ground, they could show that Sci-Fi channel edit of the Fatal Fury movies on ASA, which RULE!

Ranma 1/2 is certainly another show that should be on AS!
Movie are also a good idea. There are tons of Gundam and Tenchi movies they could show unedited, not to mention the Cowboy Bebop movie, Akira, and Princess Mononoke!

[KingKoopa]

Originally posted by Mr_Vegeta The problem isn't necessarily the shows, but the fact that CN isn't re-editing OLS and Tenchi to fit AS. Both Outlaw Star and Tenchi Muyo are cool shows (as are Pilot Candidate and Gundam, which don't seem to be edited, much) but CN or WS or whoever is not paying the money to edit them over again, which is causing the problems with everyone. The only thing that should be edited out of Outlaw Star and Tenchi on AS is the word $#!t and the (constant ) nudity, and they should still be allowed to some extent.

I do think there are better shows than Pilot Candidate and Gundam 0083 to be on Adult Swim though. Trigun is one good example. Rurouni Kenshin, Evangelion, and Slayers (although this might be a bit to "kiddie" for AS) are other good examples. Adult Swim could be better than it is, on both nights.

On another note, I do not support the fact that this site doesn't support PC, Gundam, OLS, and Tenchi, but I will still visit the site. Just thought I'd get my opinion on that in too. I guess you didn't notice that Gundam 0083 and Pilot Candidate were edited for Toonami.

[The Drizzle]

Originally posted by KingKoopa
I guess you didn't notice that Gundam 0083 and Pilot Candidate were edited for Toonami.

Pilot Candidate and Gundam 0083 were never on Toonami. I think you might be confusing Gundam 0083 with 0080 and PC with the fact that originally was going to be on Toonami.

Also, I forgot to add that PC was slightly edited, in the fact that one of the charcters was showing what I'll call "Melfina Nudity." Some people should understand what this means.

[Chibi Kageboshi]

Pilot Candidate and Gundam 0083 were never on Toonami. I think you might be confusing Gundam 0083 with 0080 and PC with the fact that originally was going to be on Toonami.

They were going to Toonami and edited for Toonami until Adult Swim Action came along and needed some series to fill in the spots.

[The Drizzle]

Originally posted by Chibi Kageboshi


They were going to Toonami and edited for Toonami until Adult Swim Action came along and needed some series to fill in the spots.

I apologize then. I didn't know they were edited for Toonami before going to Adult Swim.

[SSJ_Gogeta]

Gundam was TV-PG. Didn't you guys see?

PC, OS, and Tenchi DO NOT belong.

All Toonami shows.

I will say this though, this bickering is just temporary. When WS & CN get new shows, Everyone will be happy. Well there will be some who want a all uncut experience, but they can get a pay channel.

[Killtacular]

Gundam was TV-PG. Didn't you guys see?

If it was TV-PG, it wouldn't have had 6 TV-Y7 edits.

[KingKoopa]

Originally posted by SSJ_Gogeta
Gundam was TV-PG. Didn't you guys see?

PC, OS, and Tenchi DO NOT belong.

All Toonami shows.

I will say this though, this bickering is just temporary. When WS & CN get new shows, Everyone will be happy. Well there will be some who want a all uncut experience, but they can get a pay channel. Gundam was rated TV-PG, but it was edited to a TV-Y7 level.

[William C. Maune]

"Williams Street should have waited a few more months"

[indent]I would guess that even Williams St. would agree with that, however I believe it was reported (maybe even by someone at Toonzone) that the chance to do Adult Swim Action was now or never. By enduring the edited stuff now we should get true Adult Swim material in the future.