why batgirl and robin arent in jl

[JohnStewart-GL]

Is the reason Batgirl and Robin aren't seen in jl with Batman because he disbanded the batman team like in ROTJ?

[Naraht]

Originally posted by JohnStewart-GL
Is the reason Batgirl and Robin aren't seen in jl with Batman because he disbanded the batman team like in ROTJ?

No, the reason is because Timm said "no Sidekicks" and this show has too many main characters already.

[Killtacular]

We already have ONE Deus-ex Machina. Do we really need two more?

[Clark J. Kent]

The reason Batgirl and Robin aren't in JL is because this show is not "Batman."

[Matt-Man]

I have to agree with Clark on this one... If they were in it, then it's just be another episode of "Batman" just with more heroes... Anyways, we've already seen what happens when you put younger people in a superhero show... Remember Superfriends? The Wonder Twins are something that should never be repeated again... Or Marvin and Wendy... I shudder to think...

[SimonMoon5]

Two reasons:
(1) Batgirl and Robin were never in the comics version of the Justice League. The cartoon version is (loosely, very loosely) based on the comics version. Therefore, Batgirl and Robin should not be in the cartoon version.

(2) Too many characters, where do you stop? Sure, let's add Batgirl and Robin and Nightwing. Then, let's not slight Superman, so let's add Supergirl and Krypto and Steel and Jimmy Olsen as Elastic Lad. But then, the other five members get jealous. So we add Hawkman for Hawkgirl's sake, and we add Wonder Girl and Wonder Tot for Wonder Woman, and we add Zook for J'onn, and we add a dozen more Green Lanterns for John Stewart, and we add some other speedsters for the Flash (Impulse or Kid Flash, Jay Garrick as the Flash or the Streak, Max Mercury or Quicksilver or whatever, plus Johnny Quick and Jesse Quick).

Then, we say, "Wait, this was a bad idea," and we pare the League back down to seven members. :)

[Memphis Bleek]

Originally posted by SimonMoon5
Two reasons:
(1) Batgirl and Robin were never in the comics version of the Justice League. The cartoon version is (loosely, very loosely) based on the comics version. Therefore, Batgirl and Robin should not be in the cartoon version.

(2) Too many characters, where do you stop? Sure, let's add Batgirl and Robin and Nightwing. Then, let's not slight Superman, so let's add Supergirl and Krypto and Steel and Jimmy Olsen as Elastic Lad. But then, the other five members get jealous. So we add Hawkman for Hawkgirl's sake, and we add Wonder Girl and Wonder Tot for Wonder Woman, and we add Zook for J'onn, and we add a dozen more Green Lanterns for John Stewart, and we add some other speedsters for the Flash (Impulse or Kid Flash, Jay Garrick as the Flash or the Streak, Max Mercury or Quicksilver or whatever, plus Johnny Quick and Jesse Quick).

Then, we say, "Wait, this was a bad idea," and we pare the League back down to seven members. :)

Good point

[Karkull]

Who's Zook?

[Anarky]

based on episodes from Batman Beyond several things happened:

A. after the Joker Jr. incident, Bruce forbade Tim from ever being Robin again. Hence no more Boy Wonder in JL. Bruce asks Dr. Leslie Thompkins to raise the boy.

B. Barb & Bruce were an item for some time, however, for Bruce, there was only the streets. So Barb left Bruce and quit being Batgirl, choosing to further her career within the GCPD.

With Nightwing in Bludhaven, this leaves Bruce alone to defend Gotham. Not suprisingly, all of Bruce's relationships end bitterly.

After driving away Dick, Tim, & Barb, Bruce becomes ever grimmer and moodier than before. Throwing himself deeper into his mission, he eventually drives away his most faithful accomplice, Alfred, who wants no part of Bruce's self-destructive pattern. Alfred returns to his motherland England, leaving Bruce alone in the empty halls of Wayne Manor.

And now that his world has completely come crashing down around him...enter the Scarecrow! Crane unleashes a wave of terror on Gotham and it's up to Bruce alone to stop the madman. Batman eventually catches 'Crow but not before unleashing a brutal pummeling on Crane.
Fueled by his anger, rage, depression, etc...Batman beats 'Crow within an inch of his life. The only thing that saves Crane is the intervention of Commissioner Gordon and the GCPD, who arrive just in time to collar the felon. Batman apologizes and leaves.
Later, it's revealed that Crane is comatose. Having already protected the Batman on many occassions, even after the Joker's death, Gordon can no longer work with the Batman...not after this.
While most of the public applaud the Batman's actions against Crane, city & police officials begin to wipe their hands and decide to end their connection w/ the Batman. First, they shelf the Bat-signal. Then they issue an arrest warrant.
Things have come full circle in Gotham: the freaks are fading as organized crime take back the reigns and the Bat is a wanted man.

Have a nice life.

[Clark J. Kent]

Hey guys, listen.

First of all, Batman Beyond is not the future of the animated universe. It's a possible future that draws from the past, yes, but it is simply not the future.

Secondly, JL comes well before anything in ROTJ. The Joker is still alive in JL, isn't he?

That's all I need to say.

[Batman 80]

Robin,Nightwing and Batgirl are cool characters, but why do people keep wanting them to be on JL? They're not even a part of the team in the mainstream comics. Plus this show is about the JL, not Batman and his sidekicks(yes, I am a big Batman fan). We don't need the Batsquad in it or any other heroes. Lets just focus on the main 7.

[JohnStewart-GL]

i dont want them on the team i just wanna see em guest star. just so i know they actually exists

[Clark J. Kent]

Well, they do actually exist. Happy?

[Dark Knight]

I agree about the whole "focus on the 7" thing for now. But after a season or two why would anyone object to a few guest appearances from Batman/superman supporting characters. Aquaman can guest star. Etragin can guest star. Why not the side Kicks? They're great characters.

[Naraht]

Originally posted by JohnStewart-GL
i dont want them on the team i just wanna see em guest star. just so i know they actually exists

Wow...


I could be really trite, and point out that most people out grow the need to see something to know it exists.....

But that would be wrong


I don't see what the big deal is with not having the sidekciks on. BIg deal, it's not like they'd contribute anything else to the team. >=p

[SimonMoon5]

Originally posted by Karkull
Who's Zook?

Martian Manhunter's butt-naked orange alien sidekick with powers over heat and cold.

[Bird Boy]

I'd say our best bet to see them exist..would be in the JL comic. We saw Alfred in #3 (which was GREAT issue..)

-BB

[Matt Hazuda]

I for one would like to see a Young Justice ep on JL that could explain the missing sidekicks, and if it does well enogh maybe even a spinoff. Here's my list that they could use for YJ: Supergirl(since Superboy doessn't exist in the animated timeline), Robin and/or Batgirl, Impulse(he's gotta be in there somehow :p) Wondergirl, Secret, and even though it's a way far off chance Lil' Lobo

[kid_flash]

Originally posted by Dark Knight
I agree about the whole "focus on the 7" thing for now. But after a season or two why would anyone object to a few guest appearances from Batman/superman supporting characters. Aquaman can guest star. Etragin can guest star. Why not the side Kicks? They're great characters.

Well, I would say that the reason behind that is that Aquaman and the Demon aren't Batman or Superman characters, nor are they supporting characters or sidekicks to anyone. They each had their own comic at one time or another, and were never taking orders from someone else (on a regular basis I mean, like Robin does for example).

My biggest gripe which I repeat far too often is that people keep wanting to see Batman characters show up. Once again, this ain't Batman's show. He had three. Get over it.

[JohnStewart-GL]

Originally posted by kid_flash


Well, I would say that the reason behind that is that Aquaman and the Demon aren't Batman or Superman characters, nor are they supporting characters or sidekicks to anyone. They each had their own comic at one time or another, and were never taking orders from someone else (on a regular basis I mean, like Robin does for example).

My biggest gripe which I repeat far too often is that people keep wanting to see Batman characters show up. Once again, this ain't Batman's show. He had three. Get over it.
i just want robin to have one appearance geez don't get your panties in a bunch.

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

I don't want them to be on the team, because they aren't skilled enough to be in the big leagues. Even Supergirl with all of her great powers, doesn't have the skill. But a guest appearance would be fine.

[Dark Knight]

Originally posted by kid_flash


Well, I would say that the reason behind that is that Aquaman and the Demon aren't Batman or Superman characters, nor are they supporting characters or sidekicks to anyone. They each had their own comic at one time or another, and were never taking orders from someone else (on a regular basis I mean, like Robin does for example).

My biggest gripe which I repeat far too often is that people keep wanting to see Batman characters show up. Once again, this ain't Batman's show. He had three. Get over it.

Very true, but lets face it. Batman and superman are two of the major characters. When we focus on them it would be nice to touch into thier universes. I mean nobody complains when we see Hypolytta, the gaurdians, or the green Lantern corps. Its good because it helps give more insight on those characters. And yes MOST of us have plenty of insight on the dark knight and the man of steel but for the sake of character development Hawkgirl, GL, WW, MM, and Flash dont. What better way to show bonds forming between the characters than to have (For example) Hawkgirl join Batman for a night in Gotham where we see Gordon, Bullock, Montoya, Robin, Batgirl, Nightwing, and/or Alfred. They're all DC characters. Whats the big deal if Superman gets kidnapped and Kara has to turn to the Justice League for help?

Im not saying flood the show with a ridiculous amount of Bats and supes references. Just touch on it once or twice somewhere down the line (like in season 2 or 3.) Let's face it, the previous shows have some unanswered questions that would make for cool JL plots, and it wouldnt take much explaining in a 40 minute episode for non veterans to catch up.

[kid_flash]

Okay, yeah, I could see that. I was just whining (yes, I admit it!) because we've seen a TON of Batman and Superman characters already, and I think it's cool to explore characters we either haven't seen, or have seen very little of.