Regarding Negativity

[The Huntsman]

I’ve noticed that there are a lot of people who tend to express how an animated program should get cancelled, or that an animated program didn’t deserve to receive additional seasons. I fully understand that ToonZone is an opinion based website, and that negativity is par for the course, but is it really fair for people to want an animated program to get cancelled? Every show has its fair share of fans, and in this day and age where networks seem to be favoring animated programs less and less, shouldn’t we wish that all animated programs had some degree of success? I have been a fan of many animated programs that received plenty of scorn from critics, and to tell you the truth, it hurts each time somebody tells me that a show I love should get cancelled. Just because somebody doesn’t like the show doesn’t mean they have the greater wisdom to determine whether or not it “deserved” additional seasons, but I suppose I shouldn’t turn this thread into a personal rant.

I’m just curious what the community thinks about this subject. Is it fair for people to express that an animated program should get cancelled just because they dislike it? Also, have you ever been a fan of an animated program that everybody else seemed to hate?

[Blackstar]

Is it fair for people to express that an animated program should get cancelled just because they dislike it?

To this my answer would be 'No'. If you don't like a show, simply don't watch it. An opinion is saying "I don't like this show, so I never watch it!" It becomes censorship when that statement becomes "I don't like this show, so no one should watch it!" It's quite egotistical to assume that everyone on the planet feels the same way about a TV show that you do. I'm sure that by now most of us own at least one of these:

http://www.global-b2b-network.com/direct/dbimage/50158127/KTV_Remote_Control.jpg


If you don't like the TV show, simply push a couple of buttons on your magic remote control and make the bad show disappear. Problem solved.

[Beat]

The only show that I've ever religiously said "it needs to die! Cancel it" have been by Tim and Eric, and that's because I believe the pair are talentless hacks.

Otherwise, you have a point. Most people follow simple logic when calling for a show to get cancelled. "If the show I don't like goes away, maybe it'll be replaced by one I like!" That's kinda equivalent to rolling dice in my opinion. You may end up getting another show you hate, and then what?

[cyde]

To this my answer would be 'No'. If you don't like a show, simply don't watch it. An opinion is saying "I don't like this show, so I never watch it!" It becomes censorship when that statement becomes "I don't like this show, so no one should watch it!" It's quite egotistical to assume that everyone on the planet feels the same way about a TV show that you do. I'm sure that by now most of us own at least one of these:

http://www.global-b2b-network.com/direct/dbimage/50158127/KTV_Remote_Control.jpg


If you don't like the TV show, simply push a couple of buttons on your magic remote control and make the bad show disappear. Problem solved.
That is the lamest excuse since the invention of the heel. The shows should'ven ever had been created in the first place, thuse meaning no wasted money in making them. Real problem solved.

[J. B. Warner]

I shamefully admit that I've been guilty of this school of thought on at least three occasions ("Loonatics Unleashed", "Drawn Together", and the post-renewal "Family Guy"). It's especially embarrassing to think of these rants now that I consider myself an advocate for the free expression of ideas - that's what art is all about, after all.

[Dee]

That is the lamest excuse since the invention of the heel. The shows should'ven ever had been created in the first place, thuse meaning no wasted money in making them. Real problem solved.

If a show never gets made in the first place, it never has a chance to obtain it's following. Granted, it may or may not be popular-- but with televisions in pretty much every household-- It's safe to say out there SOMEONE likes it.

On top of that, the work created by a show being produced is also important. People need jobs. No wasted money in making them by simply not making them? Tell that to the people behind animated shows. It's a job. The animation industry isn't built upon a magical mystical crystal ball where they can wave their hands around and ask if a show is worth making or not.

If a show even makes it to production, I think it's got a chance because the process getting from concept to actual production is huge. It's not like they purposely make shows you don't like and that they cross their fingers and pray it fails. Out there, somewhere, is an audience.

Trial and error. It happens. If a show doesn't perform, it will wear itself out in due course.

[Dr.Pepper]

When there is a show that I don't like I usually don't think that. I might once or twice think "I wish it gets canceled" not it "deserves to be cancelled"

[The Irishman]

No. i don't think there's any justification in wanting a programme to be cancelled just becasue you don't like it. OK, so it costs money to make and it may take up space on the schedule, but if you apply the same logic to, say, cars, then with my opinion, we'd see nothing but Japanese supercars on the roads. Any argument needs a valid point or points. Taste is a personal thing; I don't really care whether people like pepperoni or not. It doesn't go on my pizza, so why should I get worked up about it.

As for the programmes I like, Futurama would count, but it's been resurrected. :)

[SirLemming]

When someone says that, I don't think you should take it too seriously. All they're really saying is they hate the show and think it's worthless. If you really examine it it does mean "no one should be able to watch it", but I doubt most people really mean that.

There is, however, one other meaning. With a show like The Simpsons, which many devoted fans believe used to be the funniest show of all time but hasn't been for years, people say "this show should be cancelled" because they want it to be mercy-killed so that its legacy isn't tarnished by the later episodes. Since it seems the creators of the show don't see a reason to end it, they wish it would end through other means.
Still, I doubt most of these people have any ill will toward those who enjoy the show in its current state. It's more just a wish on their own part.

I have to admit I'm a bit disheartened by the fact that I now consider half of the entire Simpsons series to be sub-par, and about a third of it to be fairly worthless, and I wish it were cancelled because I just don't think there's anything left for them to do other than increase the percentage of the show that isn't very good. But that's just in my own parallel universe, you know. I don't want to deprive anyone else of the show, but I would be kind of happy if it did get cancelled. I feel it's time to move on.


I don't want to turn this into a "Has The Simpsons Gone Downhill" discussion (we certainly don't need another one of those), but it's definitely the first example that comes to mind when this topic is brought up.

[Ed Liu]

I can see someone wanting a show to be canceled because it's just fundamentally opposed to their ethical beliefs. I don't think I'd want a show on the air that's rooted in a "Let's Kill All the XXXX in the World" theme where "XXXX" is anything that's not zombies, vampires, Nazis, or killer aliens. If I can expand on The Irishman's car analogy, there should be such things as safety recalls, or cars that never make it to production on the streets because they're deathtraps waiting to happen.

I'd like some shows to be canceled because I think they're irrevocably stupid, but that's a purely personal preference and my response to that is not to watch or talk about them. Between TV, the Internet, and DVDs, I already have far more to watch than I have time for.

-- Ed

[Golgo13]

I think many of the reasons why people want a show to get cancelled is because there is nothing else on TV that they simply force themselves to watch it. That's the only reason I can think of how Lil' Bush got a second season, except of course the fact that it's cheap to produce.

My girlfriend only has network television and watches some of the most horribile primetime programming simply because she is bored and there is nothing else on. She would often tell me about those reality shows like The Biggest Loser and everytime I hear about it I just want to cry.

That is why I rarely ever watch TV and stick to Internet and DVDs so I don't end up watching Lil' Bush or Celebrity Survivor Song And Dance Competition.

[Lavenderpaw]

I think some people will put up a front and say they hate a show when they in fact like it to some extent,possibly really have a fandom for it.

And some people will seem to hate some show,and yet continually bring up stuff about it;possibly to conceal the fact that they enjoy it after all.

Take Out Of Jimmy's Head for instance,most people react negatively toward the new episodes and yet that key word 'react'.If it's just one or two eps,sure.But some opposers to the show seem to frequent all of their talkbacks.Sometimes the threads can be a two-pager.

But I agree with most everyone,if you don't like then don't watch it! ;)

[R-Taco]

I hold nothing against the success of any show so long as it's not detracting from the success of a better one.

[Blackstar]

I think some people will put up a front and say they hate a show when they in fact like it to some extent,possibly really have a fandom for it.

And some people will seem to hate some show,and yet continually bring up stuff about it;possibly to conceal the fact that they enjoy it after all.

Take Out Of Jimmy's Head for instance,most people react negatively toward the new episodes and yet that key word 'react'.If it's just one or two eps,sure.But some opposers to the show seem to frequent all of their talkbacks.Sometimes the threads can be a two-pager.

But I agree with most everyone,if you don't like then don't watch it! ;)

Am I one of those people? :eek:

FTR, I don't hate Out of Jimmy's Head (although there are a couple of episodes that I hate!). I do think that there's room for improvement in some areas, and some cases where the shows' creators went one way where I would have gone the other way, but it's not hatred. I just think that OOJH is a bad show that has the potential to be good, similar to Johnny Test, a show that I admit that I think is better now than I thought it was when it first debuted.

[Leviathan]

Is it fair for people to express that an animated program should get cancelled just because they dislike it?

I usually don't actively root for a TV show to be cancelled (Drawn Together and Ben being the big exceptions), but If a show I don't like DOES get cancelled, I can't help but privately express pleasure at it.

[Hordesman]

I can see someone wanting a show to be canceled because it's just fundamentally opposed to their ethical beliefs. I don't think I'd want a show on the air that's rooted in a "Let's Kill All the XXXX in the World" theme where "XXXX" is anything that's not zombies, vampires, Nazis, or killer aliens.

Well, there were boycott threats against CBS for airing a show (originally from some cable network) about a cop who killed serial killers that got off easy. Supposedly edited to fit network standards, it still drew criticism for its subject matter. But I'd say if it at least raises questions on this guy's methods, that's something.

I'm more annoyed by tabloids and reality tv myself. But I blame the audience. It wouldn't get made if no one watched or bought those mags. Unfortunately, some in my family do and I get to walk past cover after cover raising TMI questions abouts private lives of the boring and their poor kids as I get groceries. Last time I flew outta town, my teen sister picked up about 10 pounds of tabloids while I'm digging for something more interesting and end up with Popular Science which is now one of my faves.

Um yeah, everyone's different and you're going to faces lots of things you don't like and maybe less of what you do like because your tastes aren't mainstream. Posting here's probably an indication of that.

[G. Wen]

I don't know if this is on anymore, but I did want Bratz canceled, only because I don't think things that look like that should be aimed at young girls. Other things, like Lunatics, leave me scratching my head, wondering why it was created in the first place.

On a side note, I really do think the Land Before Time sequels should stop. Really, there is such a thing as overdoing it.

[Ed Liu]

Well, there were boycott threats against CBS for airing a show (originally from some cable network) about a cop who killed serial killers that got off easy. Supposedly edited to fit network standards, it still drew criticism for its subject matter. But I'd say if it at least raises questions on this guy's methods, that's something.

I was actually thinking more of ethnic or religious groups. Some of the "Let's Kill All the Jews" programming we hear about that comes out of the Middle East is not something I can get behind, no matter how well done.

G. Wen also points out Bratz, which is a toy line that seems to encourage the worst kind of consumerism and exhibitionism in the extremely young, and that's also not something I find too positive. Don't know about Barbie, but I know I'd rather let my niece watch a Barbie DVD than anything out of Bratz.

-- Ed

[Classic Speedy]

I think it's more a jealousy factor. If someone hates a show (let's call it "YYYY"), but YYYY gets high ratings, they'll get annoyed so much attention is being paid to a show they hate, when a "quality" show like ZZZZ is shoved aside, at least in their minds. Thus, they want YYYY to be cancelled so ZZZZ, a show which they feel is superior, will get the respect it "deserves".

[cyde]

If a show never gets made in the first place, it never has a chance to obtain it's following. Granted, it may or may not be popular-- but with televisions in pretty much every household-- It's safe to say out there SOMEONE likes it.

On top of that, the work created by a show being produced is also important. People need jobs.

Trial and error. It happens. If a show doesn't perform, it will wear itself out in due course.Nonsense. People can get other jobs, like making comic books, filpping burgers, and working in department stores.

[Racattack!Force]

Nonsense. People can get other jobs, like making comic books, filpping burgers, and working in department stores.
Oh no you didn't! :mad: I wouldn't want to be tossed off a show, and be told to go flip burgers.

[The Huntsman]

I think it's more a jealousy factor. If someone hates a show (let's call it "YYYY"), but YYYY gets high ratings, they'll get annoyed so much attention is being paid to a show they hate, when a "quality" show like ZZZZ is shoved aside, at least in their minds. Thus, they want YYYY to be cancelled so ZZZZ, a show which they feel is superior, will get the respect it "deserves".
Yeah, that seems to be the most prevalent situation. In fact, part of the reason I made this thread was because somebody did just that (http://forums.toonzone.net/showpost.php?p=2396848&postcount=18) back in 2007.

[Racattack!Force]

Yeah, that seems to be the most prevalent situation. In fact, part of the reason I made this thread was because somebody did just that (http://forums.toonzone.net/showpost.php?p=2396848&postcount=18) back in 2007.
That thread was actually a nice read. :)

[Dee]

Nonsense. People can get other jobs, like making comic books, filpping burgers, and working in department stores.

LOL.

I would seriously love to see you go into an animation studio and say that. The results would be made of win.

I'll leave it at that.

[Blackstar]

Nonsense. People can get other jobs, like making comic books, filpping burgers, and working in department stores.

That's right. I'd MUCH rather have a job as Wal-Mart greeter or work the lunch shift at Tastee Freeze than be a writer/director for a successful animated TV series. :p

[J-man]

Also, have you ever been a fan of an animated program that everybody else seemed to hate?

I think everybody has. As for me, I've always loved Drawn Together, while everyone around me despises it. Same thing with Home Movies; I love it, and I always pitch that it has a far more creative dialogue with jokes that aren't one liners. Yet, others' responses are, generally, it's boring.

So, my point: Been there, done that.

[Antiyonder]

I'm a fan of Donkey Kong Country which is so bad that even Nintendo pretends never existed, so understand the guiltiness.

[Old Guy]

If I don't like a show I simply don't watch it. I don't go around saying, "it should be cancelled." The only shows I think should be cancelled or end are the ones I enjoy that I believe are past their prime. Example: Simpsons, Power Rangers, etc.

[Darklordavaitor]

You know, it seems like most people still judge American Dragon: Jake Long and American Dad!, by their first few episodes, and don't look past that. After a bumpy start for both shows, both series came around to enjoyable, especially with their second seasons. I'd even say that AmDad's a better show than Family Guy ever was, and that AmDrag is better than Kim Possible and Danny Phantom combined, but I'm not starting that.

I'd go more into context, but I'll just say if you haven't seen past the first few eps of either series, please do, and tell me that they still suck.

[Dudley]

Nonsense. People can get other jobs, like making comic books, filpping burgers, and working in department stores.

:eek:...........
I'd rather work on a cartoon that everyone hates (including myself), than do those last two things.

Heck, I'm going to an art school to avoid those jobs!

[Lavenderpaw]

Oh no you didn't! :mad: I wouldn't want to be tossed off a show, and be told to go flip burgers.

How dare you mock my profession! :mad: :mad: :mad: <- See my mad face.It's mad.:p

[Racattack!Force]

How dare you mock my profession! :mad: :mad: :mad: <- See my mad face.It's mad.:p

No offense, but I enjoy moving drawings and comics more than working at a fast-food joint...even if there is a chance of actually getting higher up in the fast-food empire. :shrug: