For those up to date with Japan's Pocket Monsters D&P run...

[Jacob T. Paschal]

...is it true Haruka is returning for a guest appearence on the upcoming Mikuri?

[Rolling Cloud]

Yes, it's true! Should be fun.

[Dogasu]

Yup. Also, judging from recently discovered episode titles/summaries,

Haruka's Zenigame has evolved into a Kameil and she now has a Keiko'uo. She'll also be hanging around for at least three episodes and will participate in a "Mikuri Competition."

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Yup. Also, judging from recently discovered episode titles/summaries,

Haruka's Zenigame has evolved into a Kameil and she now has a Keiko'uo. She'll also be hanging around for at least three episodes and will participate in a "Mikuri Competition."

Ooh! Awesomness to the maximum! But...a Finneon? Oh lord, that's stupid when she already has a Wartortle.

[CyberCubed]

That's a mistake, Zoey (Dawn's rival), catches the Finneon.

[Dogasu]

Whoops...my bad. Bulbagarden was down for the 100th time today, so I couldn't go into the thread and check it like I would have usually done.

[Golden Darkness]

Well, the first of the Wallace Cup related episodes has aired.

May actually appears at the end of the episode, and is actually at Snowpoint City as of that episode. Next week shows her using Munchlax, Blaziken, and the new Ice-type Eevee evo Glaceon, which is probably why she's in Snowpoint. And did I mention she's dressed in the outfit from Emerald?

Next week's episode also takes place in an in-game location, the Seven Stars Restaurant at the Valor Lakefront, where in the game the player can participate in Double Battles with other customers.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Well, the first of the Wallace Cup related episodes has aired.

May actually appears at the end of the episode, and is actually at Snowpoint City as of that episode. Next week shows her using Munchlax, Blaziken, and the new Ice-type Eevee evo Glaceon, which is probably why she's in Snowpoint. And did I mention she's dressed in the outfit from Emerald?

Next week's episode also takes place in an in-game location, the Seven Stars Restaurant at the Valor Lakefront, where in the game the player can participate in Double Battles with other customers.

Oh my, this is certainly looking up! This sounds as if it could have been the last episodes of the second set of fifty-two...

[Golden Darkness]

Oh my, this is certainly looking up! This sounds as if it could have been the last episodes of the second set of fifty-two...

Well, the arc is known to last for four more episode so far. And we'll be seeing this around the midpoint of the current dub season.

[CyberCubed]

Since this is a spoiler thread, I don't think posting these pics would be a problem. Here's May in her Emerald outfit:

http://imageboard.pocketmonsters.net/Haruka/src/120845297440.jpg

http://imageboard.pocketmonsters.net/Haruka/src/120845329571.jpg

And May and Dawn:

http://imageboard.pocketmonsters.net/Haruka/src/120845384683.jpg

[Golden Darkness]

Well, the newest episode has aired.

We know now that May has Beautifly, Blaziken, Glaceon, Munchlax (and next ep will have Wartortle) with her.
There was a reference to May and Ash tieing the filler Pokemon Contest at the end of Advance Generation, with the two pulling out that split ribbon from that contest.
May won three Johto ribbons. Rival Drew's Roselia evolved into Roserade apparently.

Next week we'll see at least Ash, Dawn, May, and Zoey in the Wallace Cup.

And this time, Ash does have a outfit ready.

http://i29.tinypic.com/2gsljf7.jpg

[Rolling Cloud]

I still say that Haruka looks like she rummaged through an egyptian catalog. >_>

[Duke]

Meh, I can't stand either Brendan's or May's Emerald outfits (mainly the green parts, I hate green) so already I miss her AG look.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Well that's a shame, I really like the Emerald outfits. Anyhow, this arc is turning into something real great, I hope it gets the best animation team that Nintendo/the producers can tap.

[NewcomerDC]

Meh, I can't stand either Brendan's or May's Emerald outfits (mainly the green parts, I hate green) so already I miss her AG look.
Seconded. Ya know what would be funny? If for some reason, PUSA asked the dub company to recolor her clothes just to ensure to the fans who she was when she wa sintroduced to the Pokemon World. I miss her AG look as well and I don't know why couldn't Japan keep it as such?

[Duke]

I miss her AG look as well and I don't know why couldn't Japan keep it as such?
For the same reason they gave Gary his FireRed/LeafGreen outfit, to give the character a fresh look while tying it in with the video games.

[CyberCubed]

The Emerald outfit actually looks better in motion than I thought it would.

All characters change their clothes when they appear in a new series, so its not surprising they want May to look a little different.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Shigeru's FRLG outfit is awesom, to be fair. :)

[Lutochris]

There's something else about her new "look" that's different...

[Rolling Cloud]

There's something else about her new "look" that's different...

What about Haruka is different other than the colors of her clothes? O_o

[Raditz]

What about Haruka is different other than the colors of her clothes? O_o

According to the topic on Bulbagarden, May's breasts have shrunk. >_>

[Rud]

According to the topic on Bulbagarden, May's breasts have shrunk. >_>

I thought so, when i saw the pictures it jumped at me, then again shes supposed to be 10 years old like Dawn is.

EDIT: wait, she should be 11 now, talk about the opposite of puberty happening.

[Rolling Cloud]

According to the topic on Bulbagarden, May's breasts have shrunk. >_>

Uh..............yeah.............

I'm still gonna need time to get used to her in orange. 3 Jouto seasons of her in red kinda fixed it in my mind. :/

[Raditz]

I thought so, when i saw the pictures it jumped at me, then again shes supposed to be 10 years old like Dawn is.

EDIT: wait, she should be 11 now, talk about the opposite of puberty happening.

Ages don't matter in Pokemon. I think Ash is supposed to be 15 or something, but he's still 10....:shrug:

[Rud]

Ages don't matter in Pokemon. I think Ash is supposed to be 15 or something, but he's still 10....:shrug:

no mater what they claim, by this time Ash must be at least 14

It was said in the anime that when they returned to Viridian city for Ash's 8th badge a year had passed, so thats a year for him to travel Kanto (leauge not uncluded.

Orange Islands was a few months.

Assuming Johto and Hoen would take the same amount of time to conquer as Kanto (leauges not included) that 2 more years.

Battle frontire was a few months to a year.

right now he has to be at least 14, he's probably 15.

[Scirel]

A year passed in the show during the fillers before the kanto league. It said so in the narration. So i`d say if that pattern follows Ash is 14-15.

[Dogasu]

Or you could just say that age, like levels or written Japanese, are something that haven't been addressed in the TV series since Kanto and should be disregarded.


By the way, no new episode's airing this week, but we'll get two episodes to make up for it next week (May 8th).

[veemonjosh]

Or you could just say that age, like levels or written Japanese, are something that haven't been addressed in the TV series since Kanto and should be disregarded.

Yeah, that's true. If we were to actually keep counting Ash's age as he goes, he'll eventually become a guy in his mid-20's picking up random 10 year old girls who're just wandering around. :p

[Jacob T. Paschal]

According to the topic on Bulbagarden, May's breasts have shrunk. >_>

Damn!


Or you could just say that age, like levels or written Japanese, are something that haven't been addressed in the TV series since Kanto and should be disregarded.


By the way, no new episode's airing this week, but we'll get two episodes to make up for it next week (May 8th).

Baseball?

[Lutochris]

According to the topic on Bulbagarden, May's breasts have shrunk. >_>

And *chan boards across the internet are all in mourning.

[CyberCubed]

They're not that much smaller. >_>

[Baseball]

wait, wait, wait

Are fans actually mourning the fact that a fictional ten-year-old girl's chest has been decreased? Um, what?

[Timmay]

wait, wait, wait

Are fans actually mourning the fact that a fictional ten-year-old girl's chest has been decreased? Um, what?

you're unfamiliar with /a/ aren't you?

one party rejoices (DFC), the other mourns (healthy).

I find it amusing.

[PC!]

Outfits CAN make a difference.

[jph139]

wait, wait, wait

Are fans actually mourning the fact that a fictional ten-year-old girl's chest has been decreased? Um, what?

I take it you don't spend much time browsing the seedier corners of the internet? :sweat:

Don't. Though eventually the nightmares subside.

[RomanMack]

wait, wait, wait

Are fans actually mourning the fact that a fictional ten-year-old girl's chest has been decreased? Um, what?Go to 4chan and Gamefaqs.

'Tis all you'll see. It's really quite depressing.

[ChibiGoku]

I really don't know what's worse. People complaining Haruka's chest has decreased, or Bouquet's fully developed chest at age 10....

[Raditz]

Bouquet's fully developed chest at age 10....

Who dares complain about something like that!? >_>

But you want shocking, look at 14-year old Yoko from TTGL.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k227/deeleaf/Yoko4.jpg

Yeah...

[Rolling Cloud]

Question..

When this gets dubbed, would Veronica Taylor be able to reprise her role or would they have to get somebody else?

[ChibiGoku]

Who dares complain about something like that!? >_>

But you want shocking, look at 14-year old Yoko from TTGL.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k227/deeleaf/Yoko4.jpg

Yeah...

Yoko's isn't too disturbing, because of her age. Actually, that's about when Women's chest typically start to mature, anyways. Had she been 4 years younger, then I think people would've been disturbed by it.

...I seriously just wanna get off this subject. Alright?

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Question..

When this gets dubbed, would Veronica Taylor be able to reprise her role or would they have to get somebody else?

Michelle Knotz (spelling?) is the voice of Haruka and has been since the Battle Frontier arc.

[CyberCubed]

Major spoilers of May's new evolutions:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/Haruka_91/1210241473427f8fe.jpg

and

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/Haruka_91/121024357906611ee.jpg

Yes that's right, May evolved her Squirtle and her Bulbasaur...twice!


Also for those of you who were complaining about her chest size being decreased in the last episode, she seems to be back to the way she was before:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/Haruka_91/1210244252317e7a2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/Haruka_91/12102442837256ac8.jpg

In other news Ash, Zoey, May and Dawn all pass the appeal round of the Contest and are in the battle portion.

[Rud]

wow, shes made so much progess in the few months shes been gone and Ash has............. paled in comparison..........

does May mention what Pokemon Max chose as his starter by any chance?

[Golden Darkness]

It was already said that Max was back home.

Anyways, In the first battle round, the only match shown in full is Dawn's Buneary vs someone's Wailmer, and she wins. Second round only shows Ash's Buizel against Kaito's Lanturn, and it's a close match, but Kaito wins.

Episode ends with Dawn vs. Kaito, which continues in next weeks, where the same round has Zoey vs. May, and finally Dawn vs. May.

[Rud]

It was already said that Max was back home.



yeah but he was supposed to get a starter pokemon too right?, i just wanna know what he picked.

[Golden Darkness]

Maybe I should have been more clear, but what I meant was that was the only thing ever said about Max.

[Golden Darkness]

Well, the Wallace Cup is over, and Dawn defeats May to win the Aqua Ribbon.

Next set of episodes include:

A possible capture of a Yanma by Jessie
Another Ash vs. Paul episode
Two episodes in Pastoria City, with the latter being Ash's Gym Match against Crasher Wake.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

What???!!!

How in the world...? This is just rediculous.

[Daxdiv]

What???!!!

How in the world...? This is just rediculous.

What is that we are getting a next gym battle in like a minimum of 20 episodes? Then yes that is a major WHAT?? Factor for me.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I was speaking of Haruka's lost. She should've murdered Hikari.

[Daxdiv]

Yeah I guess that should be shock, but I knew Dawn was going to win and get the ribbon that can be used anywhere. But, I'm more suprised at the fact that we'll be seeing Crasher Wake next, I thought we were going to have to go through many fillers where no one captures anything. But the next two don't seem that much fillerish since Jessie seems to be capturing a Pokemon, and another Paul V Ash episode.

[Rolling Cloud]

I was speaking of Haruka's lost. She should've murdered Hikari.

http://imageboard.pocketmonsters.net/Latest_Screenshots/src/121087792982.png

They both put up a very good fight. =P

Anyways, I saw it more of a "student overcomes the master" kinda thing.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

http://imageboard.pocketmonsters.net/Latest_Screenshots/src/121087792982.png

They both put up a very good fight. =P

Anyways, I saw it more of a "student overcomes the master" kinda thing.

Which makes no sense at this point, considering Hikari is still a beginner.

[Mad Mod 49]

So Dawn never got past the appeal rounds of two contests in a row yet when in the finals up against a more experienced coordinator, she wins? :confused: This anime just keeps making more and more errors. And there's gonna be alot of wank about this one, I'm sure. :shrug:

[CyberCubed]

You guys should watch the battle before complaining. Glaceon Vs. Piplup was a very good match, Dawn just barely manages a victory.

Keep in mind May wasn't using her strongest Pokemon while Dawn was using her strongest so its not that bad.

Its hard to explain but when you actually watch the episode it goes by very well. Sure, perhaps it wasn't realistic to see Dawn make such a comeback victory (she beats 3 coordinators in the same Contest, including a guy who beat Ash in the round prior), but the actual battles were pretty good.

Of course May goes back to Johto at the end of the episode but it was nice to see her get a 4-part arc in D/P. The writers definitely give her more love than Tracey, Misty or Max get, you can really see that they seem to favor her more than the other former main characters. Its just too bad TVTokyo doesn't seem to have a timeslot for more special episodes for the older characters.

[Mad Mod 49]

Of course May goes back to Johto at the end of the episode but it was nice to see her get a 4-part arc in D/P. The writers definitely give her more love than Tracey, Misty or Max get, you can really see that they seem to favor her more than the other former main characters. Its just too bad TVTokyo doesn't seem to have a timeslot for more special episodes for the older characters.

Well, the writers never seemed to favor Tracey even when he was around. :sweat:

[Golden Darkness]

Well the newest episode has aired.

Jessie catches a Yanma at the beginning of the ep, and sents it to Giovanni. Giovanni sends it back and it learns Ancient Power, so it evolves into Yanmega.

Next week is another Ash vs. Paul episode.

[warnerbroman]

yanmegas are awesome!

[NewcomerDC]

Well the newest episode has aired.

Jessie catches a Yanma at the beginning of the ep, and sents it to Giovanni. Giovanni sends it back and it learns Ancient Power, so it evolves into Yanmega.

Next week is another Ash vs. Paul episode.
So after 500+ episodes, here we have Team Rocket giving a Pokemon to Giovanni YET he sends it back?! What's wrong with him?!!

I mean Jessie's capture wasn't Pikachu or heck not even an Arceus but everyone would think that Team Rocket could had received a pat on the back from him and be reinstated as full Team Rocket members again but it seems that the big bad leader of what is now the most quiet and weakest Pokemon criminal organization is dumber than Jessie and James not leaving Team Rocket and leaving the show.

Honestly, Giovanni could had done wonders with Yanma/Yanmega.

[Daxdiv]

Well this episode for me really isn't filler since someone caught a new Pokemon, and it evolved in the same episode. I liked how TR just caught that, after like 500+ episodes they finally do something underhanded and get away with it. Awesome sauce right over there.

As for the next week, wonder what possessing Chimchar though. I can't wait to see what happens in the Ash vs. Paul fight, but from the looks of it, Ash is going to get owned.:sad:

[Rud]

Ash wins too much anyway, so i hope he does get owned, bsides, i like Paul better, hes more cool.

[Daxdiv]

Though what really weird for me is... that Chimchar being angry looks like Naruto Kyubii outer shell with the fire tails, and it looks like it going to betray Ash as Paul looks like he commanding it. What is it with every fire type I like that it has to be mean to Ash? And what made Chimchar want to listen to Paul after what he did to him?

Here the picture of what Chimchar looks like in next week episode

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/1/1a/DP81ScorchingHikozaru.jpg

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Are we sure it's not just him mad a Shinji or evolving?

[Daxdiv]

Well I don't think it going to evolve soon since the movie preview showed Chimchar as Chimchar, though I guess that can change soon, since Gligar hasn't evolved yet. During the preview Chimchar was using Flame Wheel against Ash, and Ash was mouthing Hikozaru, like he was trying to get Chimchar back to sense. Another thing Paul looked pleasently pleased, well as pleased as I saw Paul for a strong Pokemon

[MasterofRoku]

Though what really weird for me is... that Chimchar being angry looks like Naruto Kyubii outer shell with the fire tails, and it looks like it going to betray Ash as Paul looks like he commanding it. What is it with every fire type I like that it has to be mean to Ash? And what made Chimchar want to listen to Paul after what he did to him?

Here the picture of what Chimchar looks like in next week episode

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/1/1a/DP81ScorchingHikozaru.jpg

Geez, Chimchar is really peeved. Wonder what's getting to the lil' guy?
About fire types being mean to Ash, do you mean fire types he owns?
Because if I recall Ash's Charmander when it evolved into a Charmeleon was mean to him, but then respected him later in the episode Charizard chills. Cyndaquil, on the other hand was the baby of Ash's Johto team.

[Golden Darkness]

Well, this episode has passed and gone. Ash again ties against Paul.

Gligar vs. Gliscor - Gliscor wins.
Chimchar vs. Ursaring - Chimchar wins, but not without going mad out of control.

Synopsis here should explain more: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/DP081

Next week, Pastoria City, where Brock enters a Croagunk competition judged by Gym Leader Crasher Wake.

[Rud]

hmmm, the battle between Chimchar and Ursaring was cool until Chimchar got his lame anger induced power up, that victory over Ursaring was lame.

[Golden Darkness]

Well, Ash just another badge in his latest gym battle. This time, he does with with no Pokemon KOed on him.

Next major set of episodes will be on July 3, where Dawn's expected capture of Swinub and Gliger's expected evolution are to occur.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Sheesh, I'm still waiting for Chimchar and Turtwig to evolve, but Gligar evolving so soon?

Swinub!!!

[Rud]

so now both Ash and his ultimate rival will have a Gliscor, i dont like it one bit.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Satoshi now has a Glisgor and Hikari a Swinub.

[Rud]

im not liking Paul and Ash havig the same pokemon, though knowing Paul, he may not have his for long.

[Golden Darkness]

Hope no one minds me bumping this nearly year old thread, but I wonder what people here think of:

1. Pokemon finally moving to Widescreen HD
2. Pyramid King Brandon returning for apparently couple of episodes, one involving him battling Paul, another involving the Snowpoint Regigigas
3. Future appearances by Kenny and Jun(now dubbed Barry)
4. That Candice retains her team from Diamond/Pearl instead of Platinum
5. Dawn's recent gaining of Mamoswine's trust, ala Ash's Charizard
6. Although it is a couple weeks late, that Ash's Staravia evolved into Staraptor in a Pokeringer competition

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Ooh, Staraptor!

Now, if I ever get off my lazy butt I could actually watch the series...

[PC!]

Thanks for the info.

I think it'd be nice to have a Japanese Pocket Monsters talkback/spoilers thread.

[Mesousa]

Oh, Golden Darkness, you forgot one more important piece of information:

Piplup will FINALLY EVOLVE!

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Oh, Golden Darkness, you forgot one more important piece of information:

Piplup will FINALLY EVOLVE!

Well, it's not confirmed-confirmed, is it?


I'm still waiting for Chimchar to evolve! O.o

[RockmanDash]

Oh, Golden Darkness, you forgot one more important piece of information:

Piplup will FINALLY EVOLVE!

If you got that info from the "Piplup evolves next title!?" hate to break it to ya but it cancels at the last minute.

[Daxdiv]

Oh, Golden Darkness, you forgot one more important piece of information:

Piplup will FINALLY EVOLVE!

According to a magazine scan, Piplup will be given an Everstone to prevent it from evolving.

[Rud]

Paul better beat Brandon, he cant be much of a rival to Ash if there are guys Ash can beat but he cant.

[Mesousa]

If you got that info from the "Piplup evolves next title!?" hate to break it to ya but it cancels at the last minute.


According to a magazine scan, Piplup will be given an Everstone to prevent it from evolving.

So it's official:

Dawn's Piplup = Ash's Pikachu

OLM just had to listen to their fans. :shrug:

[CyberCubed]

Is anyone here following the Japanese run of Pokemon still?

Ash just arrived in Snowpoint City, the gang met Candice, and Ash will challenge her next week with Grotle, Chimchar, Gliscor and Staraptor.

After that Brandon the Pyramid King returns, along with Paul, and it seems afterward he's going to awaken Regigigas.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I keep looking for this thread, but I'm glad it's finally popped up.

I'm hoping Chimchar will finally evolve!

[NewcomerDC]

I'm hoping Chimchar will finally evolve!
After looking at one of the final posters for Movie 12, it will happen.

As for Piplup not evolving, I hate Dawn so much. Heck, I'm hating how the show's being handled because:

1) The gang has to go to a Trainer's School. Do they REALLY need a refresher course every time Ash has to go to defeat a gym leader?

2) Piplup being the new Pikachu and not evolving because it's nothing more than a marketing tool to bring in more kids to buy the Pokemon DVDs, the toys, etc.

3) Hunter J and Team Galactic aren't doing a lot in the series so far since the last encounter with Ash and his posse and Jesse, James, and Meowth are getting old even with new members in their team. Can we just have them do cameos?

Hopefully by the time the fifth generation comes out, I'll be the first to say that everyone who worked on D&P need to either be fired or if getting rid of the enitre staff won't work, I would go on ahead and get rid of the people who hates change in the series' formula and push towards making the gang older or make Ash more of the legend that the show made him to be even though no one in the world remembers his many deeds to mankind such as being a part of a legacy with the biggest mission being saving the world from surviving natural disasters (Revolution Lugia) and making ALL of the Pokemon evolve since Meowth and Pikachu shouldn't just be used as marketing ploys anymore. New trainers have been talked about for years and I'm ready to move on from Ash's ho-hum adventure to someone who WILL not only learn about the Pokemon world, but will revert the series back to having kids believing that they can catch them all.

[Mesousa]

After looking at one of the final posters for Movie 12, it will happen.

Risky idea, but it's sorta good because it's different.


1) The gang has to go to a Trainer's School. Do they REALLY need a refresher course every time Ash has to go to defeat a gym leader?

This is actually the reason the current season in the US (which just ended) ruled! Those 5 episodes were very enjoyable and fun. I don't see how you disliked it.

Also, of course they need a break, especially when Dawn and Ash plan their strategies.


2) Piplup being the new Pikachu and not evolving because it's nothing more than a marketing tool to bring in more kids to buy the Pokemon DVDs, the toys, etc.

There was one episode where Dawn meets 2 trainers that had their Piplup into it's second and third evolution. Maybe it's just a way to make sure it's not redundant.


3) Hunter J and Team Galactic aren't doing a lot in the series so far since the last encounter with Ash and his posse and Jesse, James, and Meowth are getting old even with new members in their team. Can we just have them do cameos?

Sorry, but Team Rocket is like the taste of a medicine, it might never go away.


Hopefully by the time the fifth generation comes out, I'll be the first to say that everyone who worked on D&P need to either be fired or if getting rid of the enitre staff won't work, I would go on ahead and get rid of the people who hates change in the series' formula and push towards making the gang older or make Ash more of the legend that the show made him to be even though no one in the world remembers his many deeds to mankind such as being a part of a legacy with the biggest mission being saving the world from surviving natural disasters (Revolution Lugia) and making ALL of the Pokemon evolve since Meowth and Pikachu shouldn't just be used as marketing ploys anymore. New trainers have been talked about for years and I'm ready to move on from Ash's ho-hum adventure to someone who WILL not only learn about the Pokemon world, but will revert the series back to having kids believing that they can catch them all.

Well, Oriental Lights & Magic is an underrated company, so...not gonna happen.

[Daxdiv]

I thought that giving Candice a role as a teacher helps develop her more since she is kind of boring in the games. I mean the only useful thing she does in game is let you enter the Temple in Snowpoint City.

[Kouji Tamino]

I thought that giving Candice a role as a teacher helps develop her more since she is kind of boring in the games. I mean the only useful thing she does in game is let you enter the Temple in Snowpoint City.
As opposed to the Gym Leaders that just sit there all day? ;)

[Daxdiv]

As opposed to the Gym Leaders that just sit there all day? ;)


Yeah, I like it when a Gym Leader takes more part in the Anime or Games, which is why Crasher Wake is one of my favorites of this Generation.

[J!!!]

I hate Dawn unlike the previous female May she hasn't learned almost anything since she began, all her Pokemon seem just to be tools to make money and worst of all ..... she did her own introduction and that my friend made me dislike her from the getgo.

[CyberCubed]

I think the only reason people haven't gotten into Dawn much, is because now we know the writers are just going to continue to cycle through new females every 4-5 years.

When Misty and May were around, nobody knew how long they would last and they felt more internal to the show. May introduced Contests with her and Misty was the first female.

But while I have enjoyed Dawn's character, now that I know she'll be gone from the show once the 5th gen begins, it almost gives you a, "What's the point?" type of feeling.

I understand the writers bring in a new girl to advertise the current game, but eventually we're going to start to forget the female protagonists as the years go on.

[Taekmkm]

No, it's definitely Dawn's character. She's way too mary-sue and Silicon Valley-type esque. With May, you had a goal and some character struggling for her to reach her level.

Dawn? More like a pop-diva.

[Daxdiv]

Well I kind of like Dawn, since she is wising up a bit, and she doesn't win all of her contest, I don't see how she is Mary-Sue like. Dawn for me is almost written as a character that Kanto Ash should have been, actually learning from her mistake while still remaining confident.

Personally the one thing I do blame is her not having a noticeable rival.

[Rud]

There's just something about Dawn that makes her = boring, hell, i even like that Tracy guy better than her and he was, you know, boring (not as boring as Dawn though).

[Taekmkm]

Tracy was funny when he was trying to get into Ivy's labcoat.

[Mesousa]

Actually, unlike May, Dawn have actually lost a couple of contests.

May was a bit too perfect. She only lost, like what, 1 contest?

[Rud]

Actually, unlike May, Dawn have actually lost a couple of contests.

May was a bit too perfect. She only lost, like what, 1 contest?

May was also interesting and had a more dynamic personality, better rivals too. Dawn could use some of, well, all of that.

[CyberCubed]

May was a bit too perfect. She only lost, like what, 1 contest?

She had two contest losses in Hoenn, and one in Battle Frontier.

And the two Grand Festival losses, of course.

Also keep in mind Hoenn was a much shorter arc than Sinnoh, so the writers didn't need to space out contests as much. Hoenn was only 130 episodes, Sinnoh on the other hand is 130 episodes now...and Ash is only at the 7th badge.

[Light Lucario]

No, it's definitely Dawn's character. She's way too mary-sue and Silicon Valley-type esque. With May, you had a goal and some character struggling for her to reach her level.

Dawn? More like a pop-diva.

I agree. I don't mind the fact that the writers are going to be changing around the main female trainer of the group when a new generation is introduce. They do that to promote the newest games and that's pretty much the point of the series anyway. My problem is with Dawn's personality and the fact she barely uses any of her Pokemon that is not Piplup. I know that Piplup is like the mascot for Diamond and Pearl, but I think that the writers are trying a bit too hard to make Dawn and Piplup the female version of Ash and Pikachu.

Dawn's personality just feels really dull to me. I thought she was okay at the beginning of Diamond and Pearl, but I feel like ever since last season, I've been liking her character less and less. With May, she did have some struggles to become a better Coordinator, she had a pretty nice team of Pokemon and there was some good character development throughout her run. With Dawn, it feels as if she's pretty much the same person from when she started and there hasn't been that much growth for her.


Actually, unlike May, Dawn have actually lost a couple of contests.

May was a bit too perfect. She only lost, like what, 1 contest?

I know that May lost two Contests while she was traveling around Hoenn with Ash. She also lost one Kanto Contest, but I'm not sure if she lost more than once since I missed a couple of the Battle Frontier episodes. Of course, she also lost at both Grand Festivals. I know that Dawn has lost like three or four times in Sinnoh, but I think that it helps that the Sinnoh saga has been going on longer than Hoenn's saga and that Pokemon Contests aren't totally brand new like they were with May.


May was also interesting and had a more dynamic personality, better rivals too. Dawn could use some of, well, all of that.

I agree with you too. As I mentioned, Dawn doesn't have as interesting of a personality as May did. I've also been disappointed with Dawn's rivals. Zoey was also kind of interesting in Dawn's first Contest, but now she feels kind of boring. Kenny feels so dull to me that I totally forgot that he even existed in the series at one point. While I do like how Nando does both Gym battles and Contests, that interesting aspect and his few appearences doesn't really help him out.

I think that Dawn needs a rival that could provide some kind of conflict with her. They don't need to be jerk rivals, but just provide something interesting to the rivalry instead of always being so friendly to Dawn all of the time.

[Rolling Cloud]

Dawn's personality just feels really dull to me. I thought she was okay at the beginning of Diamond and Pearl, but I feel like ever since last season, I've been liking her character less and less. [...] With Dawn, it feels as if she's pretty much the same person from when she started and there hasn't been that much growth for her.

It's because it's already pre-defined. They can't do much with Hikari without contradicting stuff they pre-set for her.


I think that Dawn needs a rival that could provide some kind of conflict with her. They don't need to be jerk rivals, but just provide something interesting to the rivalry instead of always being so friendly to Dawn all of the time.

She needs a Harley. D:

[Terror of Death]

You guys bring up some valid points. Dawn's personality, rivals, and contest episodes aren't as well written and exciting as May's but despite that I still enjoy the majority of her episodes. I also like Piplup so his(her?) over usage doesn't bother me all that much. Even though she's not one of my favorites I still find Dawn and her Pokemon to be a lot more interesting and likable than Misty, Tracey, and several other characters in the show. The female trainer could have been worse so I think of Dawn's character more as positive than a negative for the DP saga.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the Brandon vs Paul match. I hope he uses one of his Regi's in the battle and that Paul actually succeeds in beating it.

[CyberCubed]

I think the thing is re-doing the whole Contest arc with a second character wasn't the best of ideas, but the writers didn't have a choice since the DP games didn't have a new second sidequest.

So it feels too same old for people who were watching the previous series, but given some people missed the entire Hoenn era, these contests are new to some people.

I don't mind, I still enjoy contests but I do think the next girl from the 5th gen era needs a new sidequest to keep her fresh. I think 3 coordinator girls in a row would be silly and pointless.

[Terror of Death]

I don't mind, I still enjoy contests but I do think the next girl from the 5th gen era needs a new sidequest to keep her fresh. I think 3 coordinator girls in a row would be silly and pointless.

I would prefer if they came up with some sort of ongoing breeders competition along with contests and gym battles so that Brock can actually do something and to cut down on all the filler. But I totally agree with you, they should definitely consider having the next female character do something different. I fear the the next set of contests wont be as fun and interesting and they'll feel like rehashed concepts in a show already full of them.

[Rud]

I would prefer if they came up with some sort of ongoing breeders competition along with contests and gym battles so that Brock can actually do something and to cut down on all the filler.
not even that's needed, if they just had brock do some actual "breeding" it'l be so much better, you know, having Brock know lots about pokemon (besides the obvious) and have him breed pokes with certain breed only moves so he'l look profesional.

[Marvin Tikvah]

I agree. I don't mind the fact that the writers are going to be changing around the main female trainer of the group when a new generation is introduce. They do that to promote the newest games and that's pretty much the point of the series anyway. My problem is with Dawn's personality and the fact she barely uses any of her Pokemon that is not Piplup. I know that Piplup is like the mascot for Diamond and Pearl, but I think that the writers are trying a bit too hard to make Dawn and Piplup the female version of Ash and Pikachu.

So by this logic, May and Torchic were also female versions of Ash and Pikachu. Also, it's funny how you ignored her use of Buneary, Pachirisu and briefly Buizel when she still had it.


Dawn's personality just feels really dull to me. I thought she was okay at the beginning of Diamond and Pearl, but I feel like ever since last season, I've been liking her character less and less. With May, she did have some struggles to become a better Coordinator, she had a pretty nice team of Pokemon and there was some good character development throughout her run. With Dawn, it feels as if she's pretty much the same person from when she started and there hasn't been that much growth for her.

Are you kidding? I like May, but her growth in Hoenn was completely non-existent. She had far too many lucky breaks and victories, especially considering how her Pokemon were tossed around like ragdolls by more experienced trainers, but managed to pull a John Cena and turn matches around in the last 5 minutes. Her Skitty was a complete embodiment of this.

Her Kanto contests were far more realistic, but possibly because she had already had some experience from her homeland.

Now let's look at Dawn. Maybe it's not completely fair to compare them since May had to go-arounds in the circuit while Dawn hasn't even completed her first, but the growth in each timeframe is substantially different. Dawn basically went into contests with some knowledge of how it worked considering her mother was a famous coordinator. However, her victories at first were more of a struggle and she had barely won. Then her act became stale because she was sticking to conventions, which backfired on her to the point where she didn't even get past the appeals round. She takes a break and learns from her mistakes, leading to a variety of appeals and newer strategies, which also differs from May who was still following "Ash's method" at this point. Dawn makes it a point to differentiate from him because it will never get her anywhere in such an environment.


I agree with you too. As I mentioned, Dawn doesn't have as interesting of a personality as May did. I've also been disappointed with Dawn's rivals. Zoey was also kind of interesting in Dawn's first Contest, but now she feels kind of boring. Kenny feels so dull to me that I totally forgot that he even existed in the series at one point. While I do like how Nando does both Gym battles and Contests, that interesting aspect and his few appearences doesn't really help him out.

I don't know about you, but Dawn rookie trainer who's biggest weakness is her own self-doubts personality is far more interesting to me than May being characterized as a valley girl crossed with Ash determination.

Also, maybe they were purposely trying to give her less conflict-inducing rivals. I honestly like Zoey because she can be helpful and supportive, but overbearingly bossy at times. It would be nice if maybe some conflict developed from her trying to continually force Dawn into certain methods of training.


I think that Dawn needs a rival that could provide some kind of conflict with her. They don't need to be jerk rivals, but just provide something interesting to the rivalry instead of always being so friendly to Dawn all of the time.

Urara and her awesome Gabite would fit that role perfectly. If the writers remain as continuity happy as they seem, they could probably bring her back for the Grand Festival or a possible Johto circuit arc.

I fail to see how Zoey or Jessie can be seen as 100% nice to Dawn. One of them practically mocks her relentlessly, while the other snaps at her whenever she makes one little mistake. Not exactly my idea of "nice all the time".

[CyberCubed]

She had far too many lucky breaks and victories, especially considering how her Pokemon were tossed around like ragdolls by more experienced trainers, but managed to pull a John Cena and turn matches around in the last 5 minutes.

Most of Ash's matches play out like this too, you know. I'd wager to say a large chunk of the Gyms/Contests play out with the main character's Pokemon losing or at least taking more damage than the opponent, and then the main character manages to turn things around at the end.

It's pretty much how almost every major Gym/Contest and even league battle has played out, aside from the ones where they pull clean sweeps.

The main characters are always supposed to have the underdog complex, which is why they wind up beating stronger opponents who have years more experience than they do.

[Light Lucario]

It's because it's already pre-defined. They can't do much with Hikari without contradicting stuff they pre-set for her.

That would explain some things with Dawn for me.


She needs a Harley. D:

That would be really awesome and hilarious at the same time to see another Coordinator like Harley.


So by this logic, May and Torchic were also female versions of Ash and Pikachu. Also, it's funny how you ignored her use of Buneary, Pachirisu and briefly Buizel when she still had it.

I don't really see how what I said about Dawn and Piplup being the female version of Ash and Pikachu makes May and Torchic the same. What I meant with that is how Piplup is always outside of its ball now, is pretty much the mascot for Diamond and Pearl and it most likely won't evolve. With May and Torchic, Torchic stayed in its ball and it actually evolved. I also kind of saw Torchic's evolving matching with May's personal evolution as a trainer throughout her journey. I don't see how that could be a female version of Ash and Pikachu since it's also a given that Pikachu won't evolve.

I didn't really ignore how Dawn used Buneary, Pachirisu and a bit of Buizel. I just forgot at the moment. Besides that, I was thinking of how often she currently uses her other Pokemon. She didn't do much of anything with Swinub for twenty epsiodes and it somehow evolved. I felt like she did use both Buneary and Pachirisu pretty well after she first caught them, but from what I've seen in the dub, she doesn't use either one that often anymore.


Are you kidding? I like May, but her growth in Hoenn was completely non-existent. She had far too many lucky breaks and victories, especially considering how her Pokemon were tossed around like ragdolls by more experienced trainers, but managed to pull a John Cena and turn matches around in the last 5 minutes. Her Skitty was a complete embodiment of this.

Her Kanto contests were far more realistic, but possibly because she had already had some experience from her homeland.

I honestly do think that May had at least some growth in Hoenn. I think that it was more like towards the end of the Hoenn saga, perhaps during the Grand Festival, that I saw her developing a bit more. She still made mistakes, like taking advice from Harely, but I felt like she learned from them.

You do have a good point about how some of her Contests were won in the last possible minute. I can especially see that with her first Contest with Skitty. However, Ash does the same thing with many of his gym battles and Dawn in her current Contests. In fact, I thought Dawn pulled out a odd win out of nowhere in her third Contest victory. I think that it's done not only to make the main characters look like the underdogs, but also to make their wins look more dramatic.


Now let's look at Dawn. Maybe it's not completely fair to compare them since May had to go-arounds in the circuit while Dawn hasn't even completed her first, but the growth in each timeframe is substantially different. Dawn basically went into contests with some knowledge of how it worked considering her mother was a famous coordinator. However, her victories at first were more of a struggle and she had barely won. Then her act became stale because she was sticking to conventions, which backfired on her to the point where she didn't even get past the appeals round. She takes a break and learns from her mistakes, leading to a variety of appeals and newer strategies, which also differs from May who was still following "Ash's method" at this point. Dawn makes it a point to differentiate from him because it will never get her anywhere in such an environment.

I do agree with you that might be too soon to compare May and Dawn since May has more experience in Contests and Dawn hasn't even entered into her first Grand Festival yet. Even so, I still find myself comparing the two. I actually didn't think that she barely won her first ribbon. I thought that she barely won her second ribbon in the Wallace Cup since there was like only a point difference between her and May.

Maybe it's because I haven't seen the Japanese version up to now, but I didn't think that Dawn learned a variety of appeals and new strategies. She did take some time off to learn from her mistake, which was a good idea after losing two Contests in a row, but I felt she just tried to regain some of her confidence more than anything else. For some reason, I was also more impressed with her during the Wallace Cup than with her following Contest, but I need to rewatch those episodes one of these days anyway.

While you do have a point where she doesn't try to follow Ash's method, I'm not sure if that's the reason why she does so. If May followed Ash's method of battling for the beginning of her run, at least, and she was able to make it to the top eight in her first Grand Festival, I think that his way of training could work in a Contest environment. In fact, based on Ash's performance at the Wallace Cup with Buziel, he could easily go for both Gyms and Contests if he really wanted to. Of course, that would defeat the purpose of Dawn in the series, but that's what I thought after seeing Ash in the Wallace Cup.


I don't know about you, but Dawn rookie trainer who's biggest weakness is her own self-doubts personality is far more interesting to me than May being characterized as a valley girl crossed with Ash determination.

I actually see Dawn more as a valley girl type than May was. She did love to shop when she got the chance, but I'm not sure if that really made her a valley girl. Anyway, you do have a good point about Dawn's self-doubts being her biggest weakness, but I feel like that was only during her losing streak. I didn't think that she had that much self-doubts about her skills after the Wallace Cup.


Also, maybe they were purposely trying to give her less conflict-inducing rivals. I honestly like Zoey because she can be helpful and supportive, but overbearingly bossy at times. It would be nice if maybe some conflict developed from her trying to continually force Dawn into certain methods of training.

That does sound like a good possibility since most of Dawn's rivals are pretty helpful towards her. The only time I thought Zoey was overbearingly bossy was when she would have issues with people doing both Contests and Gym battles. Even though she is pretty much Dawn's most friendly rival, I would find it interesting if there was some kind of conflict between the two of them.


I fail to see how Zoey or Jessie can be seen as 100% nice to Dawn. One of them practically mocks her relentlessly, while the other snaps at her whenever she makes one little mistake. Not exactly my idea of "nice all the time".

I honestly did forget that Jessie is also one of Dawn's rivals since sometimes they don't interact during the Contests. My mistake on my part. However, I don't remember Zoey snaping at Dawn for making a mistake. I remember how after she lost with her Ampibom in the appeal round, she made the trip to talk to Dawn and explain to her what she did wrong. That didn't sound too much like snapping at her for that mistake to me.

I do apologize if what I have said here and in my previous post offened anyone who does like her. I do like how she cares about her Pokemon, but I would also like to see her doing a bit more on-screen training with them like Ash does with his team. As I mentioned before, I liked her fine at the start of Diamond and Pearl, but I think I just didn't like some of her training methods and personality as the Sinnoh saga continued. That's just my personal thoughts on the matter and I hope that I didn't upset anyone with those opinions on Dawn.

[garfield15]

Just stating the truth people

http://img2.cdn.crunchyroll.com/i/spire4/efaf9b8779636227c214695feea62e841241972521_full.jpg

:D

[Daxdiv]

I do apologize if what I have said here and in my previous post offened anyone who does like her. I do like how she cares about her Pokemon, but I would also like to see her doing a bit more on-screen training with them like Ash does with his team. As I mentioned before, I liked her fine at the start of Diamond and Pearl, but I think I just didn't like some of her training methods and personality as the Sinnoh saga continued. That's just my personal thoughts on the matter and I hope that I didn't upset anyone with those opinions on Dawn.

Next time... think about your post and the consequences of them before you post. If you're afraid of offending someone when you post something... don't post then, easy as that. Cause contrary to popular belief on this website, there are people that see Dawn as a better character than May is or ever will be. Since most of the thread recent topics were about how people saw Dawn as a weak character, A Mary-Sue, Etc you can't expect that to not go undefended, especially since I always thought of May as the shows resident Mary-Sue. Everyone loves her for some reason.

I mean I agree with MT points more than yours. I saw May more as a valley girl, I see Dawn more as a girly girl, what with her having a wardrobe for everything. There is a difference. Zoey is a pain since she thinks she knows better than Dawn and anyone else, especially with her demeanor. I am waiting for DP114 to be dubbed, now that has a great rival for Dawn in it, I just hope they use her more.

[Light Lucario]

Next time... think about your post and the consequences of them before you post. If you're afraid of offending someone when you post something... don't post then, easy as that. Cause contrary to popular belief on this website, there are people that see Dawn as a better character than May is or ever will be. Since most of the thread recent topics were about how people saw Dawn as a weak character, A Mary-Sue, Etc you can't expect that to not go undefended, especially since I always thought of May as the shows resident Mary-Sue. Everyone loves her for some reason.

I mean I agree with MT points more than yours. I saw May more as a valley girl, I see Dawn more as a girly girl, what with her having a wardrobe for everything. There is a difference. Zoey is a pain since she thinks she knows better than Dawn and anyone else, especially with her demeanor. I am waiting for DP114 to be dubbed, now that has a great rival for Dawn in it, I just hope they use her more.

The main reason why I apologized was because I didn't think my comments would upset anyone since I was trying to be polite with expressing my opinion. Since I thought that didn't turn out to be the case, I wanted to apologize just in case someone thought that I was being disrespectful towards those who prefer Dawn over May. I usually remember doing that when I list why I dislike a character or a story, but I forgot in the rush of the moment.

[Marvin Tikvah]

Nobody ever gets that worked up over a difference in opinion. I just felt like making some points of my own since I felt you were generalizing and glazing over certain aspects of the character.

Seriously, you don't need to apologize for having a different stance on the subject. It's what we're supposed to do in these threads.

[Daxdiv]

The main reason why I apologized was because I didn't think my comments would upset anyone since I was trying to be polite with expressing my opinion. Since I thought that didn't turn out to be the case, I wanted to apologize just in case someone thought that I was being disrespectful towards those who prefer Dawn over May. I usually remember doing that when I list why I dislike a character or a story, but I forgot in the rush of the moment.

I'm sorry, but I thought that this was a forum, where people can express their thoughts on something, and sometimes debate comes out of them. I thought that's what a forum was for.

But honestly, you can't expect people to sit back and watch people bash something, that just shows ignorance. I mean, no matter how polite you can express your opinion, expect someone to disagree with it.

[Light Lucario]

Nobody ever gets that worked up over a difference in opinion. I just felt like making some points of my own since I felt you were generalizing and glazing over certain aspects of the character.

Seriously, you don't need to apologize for having a different stance on the subject. It's what we're supposed to do in these threads.

I understand and respect your points on Dawn's character. I just wanted to make sure people didn't think I was being disrespectful towards those who have a difference in option regarding Dawn. I didn't want to upset anyone since that has happened before. Not so much here, but in other forums I used to go to.


I'm sorry, but I thought that this was a forum, where people can express their thoughts on something, and sometimes debate comes out of them. I thought that's what a forum was for.

But honestly, you can't expect people to sit back and watch people bash something, that just shows ignorance. I mean, no matter how polite you can express your opinion, expect someone to disagree with it.

I understand the purpose of a forum quite well, but I have been in position where debates turn for the worse and I wanted to make sure people knew I respected the other point of view. I don't mind disagreement at all. If I didn't, then I wouldn't have posted here in the first place. For me, it's a matter if the disagreement is done and said in a polite and respectful manner, which goes back to why I gave that apology in case what I said did offend anyone.

As for the topic, I have heard of one rival Dawn gets later on from some episode title I read on Serebii so it will be interesting to see how a different rival works out for her. I didn't find that rival of her mom too interesting for some reason, but she was still a nice change of pace from seeing Zoey or Kenny again.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

It seems the 599th 600th episode (no groaning please) will be the first full battle between Satoshi and Shinji at Acuity Lake!

Please evolve, Chimchar!

[Rolling Cloud]

If Hikozaru does evolve, then the look on Shinji's face will be so rewarding.

[NewcomerDC]

If Hikozaru does evolve, then the look on Shinji's face will be so rewarding.
After seeing the new poster from Movie 12, the evolution is likely to happen.

[Mesousa]

After seeing the new poster from Movie 12, the evolution is likely to happen.

So...is Paul (sorry, I can't get used to the Japanese names) going to appear in the movie?

[NewcomerDC]

So...is Paul (sorry, I can't get used to the Japanese names) going to appear in the movie?
Probably not since most of the TV rivals never had their share of movie time no matter how badly the fans want to see them. Plus given the fact that we're getting another run-of-the-mill, "I'm taking over the world" villain, I doubt that the rivals be it Shinji (Paul) or even Gary would waste time with someone who we know we'll neverr see again save for the repeated showings of the films on DVD and on Cartoon Network.

[Terror of Death]

There having a full battle BEFORE the Sinnoh League!? I knew they would battle again but a two part six on six battle sounds too epic not to be featured in a tournament. Please tell me this inst an indication that Paul doesn’t manage to win his eighth badge or that the two wont get to battle in the finals. Maybe I'm being a little paranoid but it seems odd that their having a full battle when the League is just around the corner.

But, hopefully Ash wins because if he does that pretty much guarantees Paul will triumph the next time they fight. :D

[NewcomerDC]

But, hopefully Ash wins because if he does that pretty much guarantees Paul will triumph the next time they fight. :D
If that happens, I will give up all hope of Ash winning any Pokemon League from thaqt day forward. Paul is tough but I want Ash to wise up a little. He needs to take Paul down as much as possible because we are not going through another generation of Ash NOT winning a Pokemon League Tournament.

[CyberCubed]

But, hopefully Ash wins because if he does that pretty much guarantees Paul will triumph the next time they fight. :D

Actually I think the opposite will happen. Ash will lose here but then beat him in the league.

That's the only reason I can see them having a full 6 on 6 battle this close to the end of a saga. Oh, and it'll be nice to see Chimchar finally evolve.

[Terror of Death]

If that happens, I will give up all hope of Ash winning any Pokemon League from thaqt day forward. Paul is tough but I want Ash to wise up a little. He needs to take Paul down as much as possible because we are not going through another generation of Ash NOT winning a Pokemon League Tournament.

As much as I like Paul I too hope that Ash will finally win the League this season. He could then do the Battle Frontier Challenge to prep himself for the Champions League where he'll face (and hopefully beat) the Elite Four and Cynthia. The likelihood of that happening is slim but if there was ever a perfect chance for him to do all that, now is the time. But if Ash beats Paul and still manages to lose to Joe Schmoe I'm going to be royally pissed.

[CyberCubed]

So Brandon the Pyramid King returned and completely demolished Paul in a 6 on 6 battle. Brandon used all 3 Regi's and all 6 of Paul's Pokemon were totally defeated.

For anyone who wanted to see Paul totally crushed in battle (outside of that match with Cynthia he had), I suggest you watch this weeks Pokemon episode.

Next week Regigigas is awakened, Brandon uses his Regi trio to stop it, and Hunter J turns Brandon to stone with the same gun thing she has which turned Pokemon to statues.

[Mad Mod 49]

So...are Brandon and Paul related or not? :sweat:

Oh, and Hunter J is back? This should really shake things up. Maybe Paul and Ash should work together in order to stop her for good.

[Rud]

wow, so Paul couldn't beat a guy in a 6 on 3 battle that Ash could beat in a 3 on 3 battle. And Ash calls him his rival:shrug:........... whatever......

[NewcomerDC]

As much as I like Paul I too hope that Ash will finally win the League this season. He could then do the Battle Frontier Challenge to prep himself for the Champions League where he'll face (and hopefully beat) the Elite Four and Cynthia. The likelihood of that happening is slim but if there was ever a perfect chance for him to do all that, now is the time. But if Ash beats Paul and still manages to lose to Joe Schmoe I'm going to be royally pissed.
If it's like the anime version of the Hoenn adventures of the game, the Battle Frontier will be placed after the Sinnoh Pokemon League just to make Ash feel as if he accomplish this great big goal of getting a bunch of badges that don't do jack but to make him look good and to make him reject the offer of being a Frontier Brain.

[Mesousa]

And Pokemon's suddenly became epic again. ;)

[Marvin Tikvah]

wow, so Paul couldn't beat a guy in a 6 on 3 battle that Ash could beat in a 3 on 3 battle. And Ash calls him his rival:shrug:........... whatever......

Brandon was totally cheating. The guy used 3 legendaries in the same battle.

Oh yay, more Hunter J makes me a happy viewer.

[Rud]

Brandon was totally cheating. The guy used 3 legendaries in the same battle.

He used 3 legendary's against Ash too, but Ash still beat him with half as many guys Paul had, Ash should not consider him a rival.

[Rolling Cloud]

wow, so Paul couldn't beat a guy in a 6 on 3 battle that Ash could beat in a 3 on 3 battle. And Ash calls him his rival:shrug:........... whatever......

Dude, (granted I haven't seen the whole episode) but from the previews at least.. it didn't seem like Shinji was thinking straight. He was probably just pissed at Jindai and didn't pay attention to the battle. He's gonna have a battle with Satoshi soon anyways to make up for this.


So...are Brandon and Paul related or not? :sweat:

Yeah, anybody know the answer? D:

EDIT: Ok, checked bulbagarden and there's no connection

[NewcomerDC]

So...are Brandon and Paul related or not? :sweat:
That's as silly as asking about the guy who claimed to be Shinji's brother. To me Shinji is pretty much the red-headed rival from Pokemon Gold/Silver and if you think about his relations to other characters from the series be it from the games or manga, he could be related to Brandon and Giovanni despite all of them having the same design for the eyes. Plus, when will we see Shinji with a legendary Pokemon if he's still using his so-called "training methods" on his Pokemon.

EDIT: Now since there is no connection between Shinji and Brandon, we can only connect them by their eyes.

[Daxdiv]

EDIT: Now since there is no connection between Shinji and Brandon, we can only connect them by their eyes.

That's funny, since that is being joked about in the fandom right now. Especially the eyebrows.:p

[NewcomerDC]

That's funny, since that is being joked about in the fandom right now. Especially the eyebrows.:p
What about the guitar player that also had the "Giovanni" eyes from back in Battle Frontier/early Diamond and Pearl? I'm not sure if anyone knows about him but he did make me think that he could've been related to the ol' Team Rocket boss.

[Terror of Death]

He used 3 legendary's against Ash too, but Ash still beat him with half as many guys Paul had, Ash should not consider him a rival.

You seem to be a little confused.

The first time Ash fought Brandon his Sceptile lost to his Regirock. However, Ash was possessed by an evil spirit so the battle didn't count.

The second time they fought Ash's Torkoal lost to his Registeel.

The third and last time they fought they had a 4 on 4 battle in which Brandon used only 1 Regi, Regice. Scott mentioned that Regice was recently captured by Brandon so its more than likely it was the weakest of all the Regi's due to not being on his team for a long time. It should also be noted that Ash's Pickachu barely won the battle and that Charizard, arguably Ash's strongest Pokemon, lost to Brandon's Dusclops during the beginning of the battle.

Fast forward a few months or possibly even a year from when Brandon last appeared and its safe to assume he’ s done a lot of training with the three Regis since then. I'm willing to bet if Ash were to face off against Brandon's three Regi's and his Dusclops during that 4 on 4 battle Ash would have lost. Also, if Ash were to have a 6 on 6 battle with him at the present time he would have fared no better than Paul.

[Rud]

yeah, i must be confused or my memory must just suck, cause i seem to recall ash fighting his 3 reggi's with Squirtle, Bulbasaur, and Charizard...:confused:

[peterg14]

yeah, i must be confused or my memory must just suck, cause i seem to recall ash fighting his 3 reggi's with Squirtle, Bulbasaur, and Charizard...:confused:

It must be. Brandon fought Ash 4 vs 4, Ninjask, Solrock, Dusclops, and Regice vs Charizard, Squirtle, Bulbasaur, and Pikachu. He never faced 3 Regis all in a row, since I think that would have been overkill to see Ash defeat 3 legendaries in a row.

[CyberCubed]

What about the guitar player that also had the "Giovanni" eyes from back in Battle Frontier/early Diamond and Pearl? I'm not sure if anyone knows about him but he did make me think that he could've been related to the ol' Team Rocket boss.

That was a coordinator from Battle Frontier, his name was Jeremy, and May battled him with Combusken against his Venusaur.

Only in the flashback he looked like Giovanni, the present day version of him didn't have those eyes.

[Daxdiv]

What about the guitar player that also had the "Giovanni" eyes from back in Battle Frontier/early Diamond and Pearl? I'm not sure if anyone knows about him but he did make me think that he could've been related to the ol' Team Rocket boss.

Not too sure about that, I mostly pay attention to the current anime fandom when it comes to these crackpot theories they spawn. It's almost hilarious to read them on sites like Serebii and Bulbagarden, hell some people even have banners of the distinguish eyebrows in their sigs.

Beside when it comes to Giovanni, it has been somewhat confirmed in one of the manga that Silver(the rival from GSC) might be his child

[Mesousa]

Saw screenshots from the most recent episode.

It was a normal episode...until the end...when there's a twist involved.

[Rud]

Saw screenshots from the most recent episode.

It was a normal episode...until the end...when there's a twist involved.
what happened?

[DuncanXDuncan]

does ash have all 8 badges yet?

[Daxdiv]

No he hasn't

He just beat Candice last month. I think it is going to take a while to get to Volkner.

[Mesousa]

what happened?

It turned out, that the guy who was able to get the train rolling again (the episode was called "The Ampharos Express", and, while it's a filler, it looks pretty good), was a spy from Team Galaxy.

[Golden Darkness]

It turned [ut, that the guy who was able to get the train rolling again (the episode was called "The Ampharos Express", and, while it's a filler, it looks pretty good), was a spy from Team Galaxy.

Nope.

He's Looker, a Platinum exclusive character. He's an undercover officer on the trail of Team Galactic.

[CyberCubed]

Is there a reason we have to use spoiler boxes? Anyone following the dub episodes already knows this thread would spoil something.

And is saying a game character appears in an ep really a spoiler? C'mon now, this is Pokemon, not some drastic plot-twisting anime here.

[Mesousa]

Nope.

He's Looker, a Platinum exclusive character. He's an undercover officer on the trail of Team Galactic.

Oh. :ack:

Well, it's still surprising, anyways.

Sorry for the miscalculation. :sweat: :sweat: :sweat:

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Is there a reason we have to use spoiler boxes? Anyone following the dub episodes already knows this thread would spoil something.

And is saying a game character appears in an ep really a spoiler? C'mon now, this is Pokemon, not some drastic plot-twisting anime here.

I don't think anyone realized the use of spoiler boxes...so really, you just brought up stuff I don't think anyone really cares about...:sweat:

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Aaaaaaaaand...Charmeleon's everywhere pissed their pants at the sight of Chimchar and Monferno owning Shinji's Ursarang and nearly toppling Electabuzz. Utterly incredible battle and I cannot wait for the rematch.

[Mad Mod 49]

So the big battle ended and.... Paul still won?! Even when Ash beat the guy Paul and his brother never could? Even when Chimchar finally evolved trying to take him down? Damn it writers! I don't really care about your show but now you've really got me hoping that Chimchar evolves again in the rematch and totally makes up for this epic failure.:mad::mad::mad:

From the screenshots I saw of Paul and his brother talking at the end, I hope Paul learned something from this experience. But damn, that probably won't make up for this. Paul is veering dangerously from a mere Jerkwad to a Jerkwad Marty-Stu who always has to stay ahead in the rivalry. The sooner this character is out of the show for good, the better. :yawn:

[Terror of Death]

So the big battle ended and.... Paul still won?! Even when Ash beat the guy Paul and his brother never could? Even when Chimchar finally evolved trying to take him down? Damn it writers! I don't really care about your show but now you've really got me hoping that Chimchar evolves again in the rematch and totally makes up for this epic failure.:mad::mad::mad:

From the screenshots I saw of Paul and his brother talking at the end, I hope Paul learned something from this experience. But damn, that probably won't make up for this. Paul is veering dangerously from a mere Jerkwad to a Jerkwad Marty-Stu who always has to stay ahead in the rivalry. The sooner this character is out of the show for good, the better. :yawn:

This is their second to last battle of course Paul was going to win. Its pretty much guaranteed Ash will beat Paul in the semi finals or finals of the Sinnoh League so he had to lose this match. Regardless, Paul won this battle because he's a greater tactician and his Pokemon are stronger. Its as simple as that.

Also, Brandon has always been a stronger trainer than Ash. The only reason Ash beat him is because Brandon didn't go all out like he did against Paul.

[Mad Mod 49]

This is their second to last battle of course Paul was going to win. Its pretty much guaranteed Ash will beat Paul in the semi finals or finals of the Sinnoh League so he had to lose this match. Regardless, Paul won this battle because he's a greater tactician and his Pokemon are stronger. Its as simple as that.

Also, Brandon has always been a stronger trainer than Ash. The only reason Ash beat him is because Brandon didn't go all out like he did against Paul.

Hey, I usually don't care whether Ash beats Paul or not (I don't care for either of them. They're both bland characters in a bland rivalry) But I've wanted to see Chimchar show Paul what he's really made of and it blew it's chance here. But if there's a guaranteed rematch, I hope Chimchar can evolve one step further and finally put down the guy who had put it down for a long time.

The fact that Brandon didn't go all out on Ash is stupid too. The writers just wanted to have Ash win the frontier even though they have no problem with him losing the big leagues. :shrug:

[warnerbroman]

wow they broke the Change=PWN rule

[Rud]

I really liked Paul's tactics during this battle, is this the first time they have used Light Screen like that?

[RonDrakenfan17]

This is their second to last battle of course Paul was going to win. Its pretty much guaranteed Ash will beat Paul in the semi finals or finals of the Sinnoh League so he had to lose this match. Regardless, Paul won this battle because he's a greater tactician and his Pokemon are stronger. Its as simple as that.

Also, Brandon has always been a stronger trainer than Ash. The only reason Ash beat him is because Brandon didn't go all out like he did against Paul.

Yes this does indeed proove that he's going to beat Paul at the league. They prob did it this way so we can cheer more for the big battle and cheer louder when he wins, that's what I make of this. FYI I like there rivalry, I don't know if I hope Paul stays next Region that is the question. I love both Pokemon and Naruto so should Paul turn into a Sasuke like character? You know go "Your getting stronger than me I'll screw you over later"

[Mad Mod 49]

I love both Pokemon and Naruto so should Paul turn into a Sasuke like character? You know go "Your getting stronger than me I'll screw you over later"

No! Paul's "Sasuke like" as it is. It must not come to that!

[Rolling Cloud]

Um, does anyone know what episode # they started showing it in wide-screen?
Just want to know for future reference.

[kewlmyc]

So the big battle ended and.... Paul still won?! Even when Ash beat the guy Paul and his brother never could? Even when Chimchar finally evolved trying to take him down? Damn it writers! I don't really care about your show but now you've really got me hoping that Chimchar evolves again in the rematch and totally makes up for this epic failure.:mad::mad::mad:

From the screenshots I saw of Paul and his brother talking at the end, I hope Paul learned something from this experience. But damn, that probably won't make up for this. Paul is veering dangerously from a mere Jerkwad to a Jerkwad Marty-Stu who always has to stay ahead in the rivalry. The sooner this character is out of the show for good, the better. :yawn:
He's learned something from his battle with Brandon. Also, he's changed a lot from the beginning of DP. He no longer insults his pokemon when they lose and he doesn't rub it in Ash's face when he beats him. He actually admitted that his 6 on 6 battle with Ash was a good match. The old Paul would of been like "This match was way too easy, I need to find stronger opponents".

[Daxdiv]

Um, does anyone know what episode # they started showing it in wide-screen?
Just want to know for future reference.

I believe it is episode DP121, "The Lonely Yukikaburi/Snover."

[Rolling Cloud]

I believe it is episode DP121, "The Lonely Yukikaburi/Snover."

Thanks a ton!

[zoombie]

Anyone think one of the movites, behind the Barry character, was a responce to the Paul / Dawn shippers. A ship created, because neither one had a love interst, let's ship them.

A ship that made no sense, I just find it hard to believe that the altra serious Paul and the fun friendly Dawn would ever fall for one another.

But Barry is the answer to it, he is a Paul admiror, he is arrogant, drives the gang crazy, but still not altra serious like Paul, and I could envision Barry and Dawn together, much like I could envision Gary and Misty together. I haven't seen this episode, but in Japan they aired an episode in which Barry and Kenny both appear. Did they one up each other? Maybe teassing a love triangle?

[KPTitan]

This kinda concerns me a little...

Judging by the title of the next Team Galactic episode on Serebii.net, the Spear Pillar plot looks like it might not be a 2-parter like how most of us had hoped, and instead only one whole episode.:sad:

And we've still yet to see Jupiter by herself in an episode similar to Mars and Saturn...

[Gold Guy]

This kinda concerns me a little...

Judging by the title of the next Team Galactic episode on Serebii.net, the Spear Pillar plot looks like it might not be a 2-parter like how most of us had hoped, and instead only one whole episode.:sad:



That would be SO lame.

[Kouji Tamino]

This kinda concerns me a little...

Judging by the title of the next Team Galactic episode on Serebii.net, the Spear Pillar plot looks like it might not be a 2-parter like how most of us had hoped, and instead only one whole episode.:sad:


I really hope not, otherwise it would mean that they didn't learn their lesson after the rushed disaster that was the Kyogre/Groudon 2 parter.

[KPTitan]

I nearly scared myself....I know that Wikipedia changes and isn't really trustworthy, but I looked up the description of that episode, and it looks like it's gonna be more than one episode after all. My bad...lol.:sweat:

Yeah....that two-parter with Kyogre and Groudon did kinda suck...well, I think they might do better, considering that all the Galactic episodes so far had been pretty damn good.

[zoombie]

More Team Galactic, I am glad they have appeared more in this series. The writers have learned from underusing Team Aqua and Team Magna in Advanced Generation.

Here is a fun little fan service question, who is hottier? Mars or Jupiter?

[Mad Mod 49]

More Team Galactic, I am glad they have appeared more in this series. The writers have learned from underusing Team Aqua and Team Magna in Advanced Generation.

No, I'd say they're still underused considering that we still get more focus on useless Team Rocket stuff in most episodes than we do Team Galactic. What they have learned to do is write Team Galactic well, unlike Aqua and Magma, who just kept on falling flat with each appearance until that awful Groudon/Kyogre two-parter aired. I really hope the resolution to the Galactic story fares better (and since I hear that Looker and probably Cynthia will be inovlved rather than that stupid "G-Man" Lance, it most likely will be.)


Here is a fun little fan service question, who is hottier? Mars or Jupiter?

They're both pretty, but Jupiter just doesn't strike me as all that hot. Mars it is! :anime:

[zoombie]

They're both pretty, but Jupiter just doesn't strike me as all that hot. Mars it is! :anime:

I agree with you, you can't go wrong either way. But I think Mars is hottier. Not only more attractive, but her style of villaness evil is more hottier IMO.

[Kouji Tamino]

Hate to jump on the bandwagon, but I'm a Mars man, too. :anime:

[NewcomerDC]

Anyhoo, let's get back into talking about the show. We can chat about the Team Galactic chicks later.

[Terror of Death]

So, who do you guys think will defeat Dawn in the Sinnoh Grand Festival? Zoey Ursula, Kenny, Nando(might not even show up) or a new character?

[Rolling Cloud]

Why do you think Hikari will lose? Oo

[zoombie]

Well about Dawn winning or losing.

She already lost in the Tatsunami contest to Kenny, so I don't know if they will let Dawn twice in a row. Though if Ursula is involved, she has to win, because Dawn is 1-0 against her in head to head matchups, so they have to even things out, and set up a rubber match in the future.

Speaking of Ursula, the next time the gang sees her either for a contest she and Dawn are in or just randomly bump into, If it is for a contest, I hope she will come early enough or stick around long enough to have an encounter with Team Galactic or Hunter J. A Dawn / Ursula team up against a major villain is something they should do. And I am sorry, but just teaming up to defeat the Team Rocket trio is not good enough. I want a real threat.

[CyberCubed]

Why do you think Hikari will lose? Oo

Since when has a main character ever won their first tournament? Never.

[Rolling Cloud]

That still doesn't guarantee she's gonna lose, though.

[KPTitan]

To point out something else in my earlier post, I just realized we won't know for sure until that episode airs on the 23rd in Japan (next week, yay:anime:)...*prays it's a 2-parter for sure* I typically hold off on looking at the screencaps on Serebii, but I just can't resist for this one, since it'll be a while before we get it in the U.S.

[Golden Darkness]

It's a one parter, and it doesn't conclude the Galactic plot, but it does introduce Charon beyond a behind the back cameo shot.

Looking ahead, future episodes will have a return to Twinleaf Town where Dawn battles her mom, Professor Oak pays a visit (and James doing his Imposter Oak stunt) and an appearance of Tower Tycoon Palmer.

[Golden Darkness]

Look at who's showing up to celebrate the release of HeartGold and SoulSilver:
http://i29.tinypic.com/2d7sbp4.jpg

[Daxdiv]

So we won't be seeing her, until September 17? Wonder what she's going to do?

[Duke]

For some reason, the pic won't load for me. Who's supposed to be in the picture?

[Daxdiv]

I'm not 100% sure, since it's a fan name, but it's Soul, aka the girl you can play as in Heart Gold and Soul Silver.

[PC!]

Neat. She looks significantly less dorky than she does in her game artwork.

[Marvin Tikvah]

I figured she'd show up eventually. A bit earlier than expected, but as usual, the animated version looks less silly than the video game artwork.

Also, no sign of Gold will probably make Lazerboy cry.

[Golden Darkness]

I find it odd that she shows up, and yet a character based on FireRed/LeafGreen's female playable trainer doesn't.

[Daxdiv]

Also, no sign of Gold will probably make Lazerboy cry.

If Gold does get animated with his new design, I want to see how he's able to walk around in those shorts of his. What? Those shorts look very uncomfortable to walk around it.

[Duke]

Gold (why is the male called Gold but the female Soul?) will probably only appear during the "World of Pokémon" intro to the 12th movie, just like Lucas and Brendan.

[Tash]

Gold (why is the male called Gold but the female Soul?) will probably only appear during the "World of Pokémon" intro to the 12th movie, just like Lucas and Brendan.
Because Silver is the rival.

[PC!]

If Gold does get animated with his new design, I want to see how he's able to walk around in those shorts of his. What? Those shorts look very uncomfortable to walk around it.

But...I like shorts. They're comfortable and easy to wear!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Daxdiv]

But...I like shorts. They're comfortable and easy to wear!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

It's the way they're wrapped around his knees. They look like short pants and very uncomfortable to walk around in, especially since he's walking around all of Johto. Shorts should be baggy.

[Duke]

Because Silver is the rival.
So who's Heart? Oh, wait (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=164).

[NewcomerDC]

So who's Heart? Oh, wait (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=164).
I liked that little comic.

Seriously, who's Heart? lol

[Rolling Cloud]

I'm not 100% sure, since it's a fan name, but it's Soul, aka the girl you can play as in Heart Gold and Soul Silver.

Just to add info., her anime name was revealed to be Kotone.

Also, a couple of new titles have been revealed:

DP 145 - Fukamaru... I'll get it!!

DP 146 - Pokemon Contest! Suiren convention!!

[Rolling Cloud]

Am I the only one posting here? XD

Updates:

-Hikari/Dawn got a Cyndaquil from some random battle this week
-Next Week:

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk298/slowkingsley/399030.jpg

J returns to capture the pixies, Galatic will be returning and Kojiro enters a contest disguised as Musashi/Jessie, because she's sick!

[Marvin Tikvah]

How long do they plan on having Kotone and Kazunari travel with the group? I figured that one hour special was going to be their only appearances, but judging by those screenshots, it seems like they'll be around for at least the time period before Ash faces Volkner.

[Daxdiv]

I figured that Dawn was going to get Cyndaquil in the same fashion that May got Bulbasaur first, IE, she gets the Pokemon that is weak to her starting type and it was around the time FR/LG were coming out in Japan. I did have a feeling that Chikorita was going to be Kotone's as well. Also the new contest episode sounds funny, and I do look forward to the Sinnoh Contest where James dresses up as Jessie.

All in all, I liked the events that happened in the two episodes that aired recently.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Oh snap, a Cyndaquil!!

He's hoping this one actually does something...

[Daxdiv]

How long do they plan on having Kotone and Kazunari travel with the group? I figured that one hour special was going to be their only appearances, but judging by those screenshots, it seems like they'll be around for at least the time period before Ash faces Volkner.

I'm pretty sure they'll be gone by the Galactic arc, since Kotone wants to see a Sinnoh Contest, not sure if she'll stick around and deal with Galactic affairs.

Also next week, I heard there's going to be a Gible in it, and a contest to see who will catch it first between Ash and that Guy traveling with Kotone.


Oh snap, a Cyndaquil!!

He's hoping this one actually does something...

I don't see it doing anything yet, or at least until we're out of Sinnoh. Though I did kind of like the interaction between Piplup and Cyndaquil myself.

[CyberCubed]

I'm tired of the girls getting starters that used to belong to Ash.

From the sounds of things Ash didn't even mention he had a Cyndaquil of his own.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I'm tired of the girls getting starters that used to belong to Ash.

From the sounds of things Ash didn't even mention he had a Cyndaquil of his own.

It happened...once so far. .__.

[jph139]

It happened...once so far. .__.

Didn't May get a Squirtle and a Bulbasaur? That would make this the third time, then.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Didn't May get a Squirtle and a Bulbasaur? That would make this the third time, then.

Well now.


I am going senile.


Get uuf muh lawn!

[Rud]

Ash has owned over half the starters in the series before, its unreasonable to be upset that girls will repeat having starters hes had, theres only so many starters after all.

Also, Katone's got to have a Johto starter, Ash has had all of them, its really unavoidable that shel have one he had (hes had all of them).

[Mesousa]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold up.

There were 2 new episodes this week.

Dawn gets a Cyndaquil.

Sheesh, it's basically Johto all over again, but mostly because of promotion. :sweat:

[RockmanDash]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold up.

There were 2 new episodes this week.

Dawn gets a Cyndaquil.

Sheesh, it's basically Johto all over again, but mostly because of promotion. :sweat:

So much for Ash bringing Totodile and Cyndaquil back for Johto >_>

[Daxdiv]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold up.

There were 2 new episodes this week.

Dawn gets a Cyndaquil.

Sheesh, it's basically Johto all over again, but mostly because of promotion. :sweat:

They did the same with FireRed and LeafGreen, that's why May got a Bulbasaur and Squirtle herself. Besides, Cyndaquil sort of suits her, she sort of needed a fire type, and we all know that Sinnoh sucks in that regard, well except for Chimchar and in Platinum.

[Jtaylor1]

Am I the only one posting here? XD

Updates:

-Hikari/Dawn got a Cyndaquil from some random battle this week
-Next Week:

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk298/slowkingsley/399030.jpg

J returns to capture the pixies, Galatic will be returning and Kojiro enters a contest disguised as Musashi/Jessie, because she's sick!

Why didn't anybody tell me that Ash's Chimchar evolved?

[Yash]

Why didn't anybody tell me that Ash's Chimchar evolved?
He did quite a while ago

[CyberCubed]

I hope Dawn's Cyndaquil proves to be more memorable than Ash's was. Ash's Johto team has got to be his weakest team in the entire series.

Its like the only good Pokemon Ash got out of Johto was Donphan (who didn't evolve until much later), and Heracross. The Johto saga was such a waste.

[Duke]

Chikorita was good up until it evolved into Bayleef. After the "aftermath" episode where Bayleef still acted like Chikorita, she became just as bland as Ash's other Johto Pokémon.

There's a reason Heracross and Bayleef were the only Johto Pokémon Ash used in the main Silver Conference tournament.

[NewcomerDC]

So anyone thinks Dawn might get Totodile as well to make up for Ash's mishandled one?

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Why would she need a Totodile when she has a Piplup?

[Daxdiv]

I see her getting a Chikorita in all honesty, since she'll probably need a Grass Type, and it will kind of echo how May got Bulbasaur and Squirtle.

[CyberCubed]

Eh, she might not get anymore Johto starters.

If Kotone/Soul returns as a recurring character, she has the Chikorita of course. Since Leaf/Green or whatever her name is never debuted in the anime, they gave May two starters to make up for it.

Since this time they did introduce the playable character of the remakes, she can stay with the starter.

[Neofcon]

ugh.....now im gonna see Cyndaquil in a possible cheer leader outfit or doing stupid show preps for contests

Idk...Dawn getting Cyndaquil doesn't sit well with me for some reason. It's probably because im a Cyndaquil fanboy who knows Dawn's mons get crappy development compared to Piplup or rehashed like Mamoswine. That and I realized how one dimensional she really is.

[CyberCubed]

Well, it'll probably get more screentime than Ash's Cyndaquil.

Almost all of the original Johto starters got the worst screentime in the series. There's a reason they did away with Ash's Johto Pokemon so quickly, they just weren't handled well in the show at all.

Besides Ash never uses his old Johto Pokemon anymore anyway, so its the only screentime "a" Cyndaquil will get in the show.

[Neofcon]

I cant say I care about "screen time" rather than how well handled the characters are. And for the most part, Dawn's pokemon are incredibly poorly handled, or rather "blandly written". I, for the life of me, cannot comprehend how Dawn's pokemon can be perceived as "well-handled" because of an increase in screen time. They don't perk anyone's interest (Buneary being in love with pikachu is not interesting....at all, neither is Piplup getting into fights with everyone at all comical), have reused character flaws (Piplup's refusal to evolve = Bulbasaur, Mamoswine is obvious), or something incredibly stupid occurs with them (Ambipom......wtf)

(To get it off my chest, the Ambipom issue is a very touchy one. Ash captured such pokemon way back in AG, then traded to Dawn because of her interest in contests.......but then ship it off for ping pong. If that isn't utter tripe....granted, Ash released his mons for some equally stupid reasons (um..yeah...gain the trust of your Primape and then ship him off in the same episode.....) Ambipom's amount of screentime turned into a big F you after shipping it off for ping pong. In fact, whats the point of screen time when you will hardly see these things again?)

Considering I harbor a deep love for Cyndaquil, I cannot bare to see Dawn with it. Because I know, with the amount of screen tme it gets, the amount of awesome I know it to have will be shredded to dust when Dawn starts using it to coordinate attacks in silly patterns. (Yes...I hate contests because the pokemon that participate in them look incredibly goofy doing their routines)

[Dogasu]

(To get it off my chest, the Ambipom issue is a very touchy one. Ash captured such pokemon way back in AG, then traded to Dawn because of her interest in contests.......but then ship it off for ping pong. If that isn't utter tripe....granted, Ash released his mons for some equally stupid reasons (um..yeah...gain the trust of your Primape and then ship him off in the same episode.....) Ambipom's amount of screentime turned into a big F you after shipping it off for ping pong. In fact, whats the point of screen time when you will hardly see these things again?)

I'll just copy/paste what I wrote on Bulbagarden:


I've said this before, and I'll say it again; I don't mind that Eteboth left. I don't mind that it left because it liked to play ping-pong, either.

What I *do* mind, though, is how its love of ping-pong just came out of nowhere. If they had set it up dozens of episodes in advance - like it did with Aipom and its love of Contests - then that would be different. But instead, we got this rush job of an excuse.

What's even worse is that

it's been eighteen episodes and Hikari *still* hasn't caught anything. Eighteen weeks is, by the way, more than a quarter of a year. So now we've got this newly-freed spot on Hikari's team with no one to fill it.

That might change by this coming Thursday, but still; Eteboth could have left thirteen episodes ago or ten episodes ago or whatever and it wouldn't have hurt anyone.


And also, CyberCubed...give it a rest. PLEASE.

[Duke]

I cant say I care about "screen time" rather than how well handled the characters are. And for the most part, Dawn's pokemon are incredibly poorly handled, or rather "blandly written". I, for the life of me, cannot comprehend how Dawn's pokemon can be perceived as "well-handled" because of an increase in screen time. They don't perk anyone's interest (Buneary being in love with pikachu is not interesting....at all, neither is Piplup getting into fights with everyone at all comical), have reused character flaws (Piplup's refusal to evolve = Bulbasaur, Mamoswine is obvious), or something incredibly stupid occurs with them (Ambipom......wtf)
Personally, I thought Buneary, Pachirisu, and Ambipom were Dawn's most interesting Pokémon. Buneary's happy-go-lucky attitude and its crush on Pikachu are great, but it never really gets to develop it since it tends to only appear in Contests anymore and never takes part in the plot. Pachirisu's the same way. Ambipom was just out and out awesome through and through, so its a shame they junked her. I don't mind Piplup's cocky attitude when it's with Pikachu, as it's kind of a contrast of personalities that makes it worth watching, but when Piplup's by itself, it's fairly bland. While Mamoswine may be a copy of Charizard, at least it is somewhat memorable (even though it sticks out like a sore thumb) since Swinub was all but invisible.

[Golden Darkness]

Looks like the latest episode special had a preview of the conclusion of the Team Galactic arc that will start in November.

Gary, Cynthia, Looker, Pokemon Hunter J, and Prof. Rowan are confirmed to have some roles.

[Mesousa]

Looks like the latest episode special had a preview of the conclusion of the Team Galactic arc that will start in November.

Gary, Cynthia, Looker, Pokemon Hunter J, and Prof. Rowan are confirmed to have some roles.

Sounds like movie material.

[Rolling Cloud]

Shigeru, Shirona, Team Galaxy and Handsome? Wow, hope they don't blow it.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

What I want to know is why the heck Shigeru's in this arc. He hasn't shown up in...how long?

[Mesousa]

What I want to know is why the heck Shigeru's in this arc. He hasn't shown up in...how long?

Um, who?

(not a fan of using the Japanese names)

[Rolling Cloud]

Um, who?

(not a fan of using the Japanese names)

He's this guy.. http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://www.serebii.net/anime/characters/pics/gary.jpg&usg=AFQjCNGkdsA1UYT5NwRVmzrwZ961w_nkxw

[Golden Darkness]

Video Preview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB_Q3CvwbTU&fmt=22

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Video Preview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB_Q3CvwbTU&fmt=22

My Lord, Takeshi might actually have importance for once.

[CyberCubed]

What I want to know is why the heck Shigeru's in this arc. He hasn't shown up in...how long?

Gary was in two other DP episodes. His last appearance was in the ep where Ash's Gligar evolves into Gliscor.

Given they brought Gary into Sinnoh, they might as well actually do something with him since the saga is almost over now.

[Marvin Tikvah]

Any chance they'll be visiting the Distortion World?

I think it was shown in the Giratina movie, but it could make another appearance if they decide to follow Platinum's version of how you confront Team Galactic at the Spear Pillar.

[Daxdiv]

Also, in case anyone is interested,

Jessie has her 3rd Ribbon thanks to James dressing up as her. Dawn lost with her Mamoswine.

[honorableninja]

just saw the preivew for the Team Gataltic ending and my jaw dropped it so sweet way better than Hoenn Groundon and Kryoge two parter 100 times better red eye Cyrus now that cool. i am praying when this come stateside Cartoon network air it all at once as a movie event this is screaming for it and we haven't gotten one since the heartome city tag battle tourament maybe throw it a team Galatic maranoton featuring all the episodes starring them to start it off proabably won't happen but it be so cool if they did that.

[Neofcon]

I guess im the only one bored by the trailer.......

[Mad Mod 49]

Ok, I am officially sick of Dawn losing contests. Just WIN ONE so you can get to the Grand Festival already!!! :mad:

On the plus side, the Galactic finale thing actually looks pretty awesome and given on my dislike of this show, that's saying something. Professor Rowan, Gary, Cyrus, Pluto, Hunter J, Looker, Cynthia...and NO sign of Lance this time!!! It should be worth checking out.

[Mesousa]

Ok, I am officially sick of Dawn losing contests. Just WIN ONE so you can get to the Grand Festival already!!! :mad:

Actually, shouldn't that be good?

Remember, May had no problem winnin contests at all, and it was too easy for her.

[Daxdiv]

A part of me hated how May was easily able to win ribbons compared to Dawn, and besides, it was interesting to see who Dawn lost to in the recent contest, the power of friendship prevails.

[CyberCubed]

I guess they don't want Dawn to finish her quest too soon before Ash's.

If Dawn got her ribbons too early, she'd be standing around doing nothing while Ash got his last couple of badges. That's why they have both quests end at roughly the same time.

If I remember back in Hoenn, May didn't get her final ribbon until after Ash's 8th Gym battle. So if Dawn doesn't get her last ribbon until after the 8th Gym, its roughly the same.

[garfield15]

I'm sorry but I'm at my wits end at when the heck are they going to change the theme song? Are we gong to get "Hai-Touch 2010 Remix" too?

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I guess they don't want Dawn to finish her quest too soon before Ash's.

If Dawn got her ribbons too early, she'd be standing around doing nothing while Ash got his last couple of badges. That's why they have both quests end at roughly the same time.

If I remember back in Hoenn, May didn't get her final ribbon until after Ash's 8th Gym battle. So if Dawn doesn't get her last ribbon until after the 8th Gym, its roughly the same.

I don't know how many ribbons Musashi has, but they could always lean towards more contest arcs for her to fill up time.

[Rolling Cloud]

She has 3 ribbons, currently.

[Mad Mod 49]

Actually, shouldn't that be good?

Remember, May had no problem winnin contests at all, and it was too easy for her.


May winning too easily was a problem too, but if it gets the job done, I perfer it to Dawn being such an unbelievable loser.

[CyberCubed]

Mad Mod, stop causing controversy. :p

The weird thing is when the DP series began, Dawn originally came off as some sort of expert battler right off the bat. I remember people commenting as to how she got so much further in her first Contest than May did, and how she won a Contest only 25 eps into the series, (May didn't win a ribbon until like 45 eps into Hoenn).

Its only as DP progressed that they evened her out. She did win 3 contests in a row, (including the entire Wallace Cup), so her only real major losses were the two she lost the Appeals round and the two recent ones to Kenny and James.

[garfield15]

Hey, I'm starting to actually watch this show now!

Just saw the episode with Fukamaru. (I'm sorry do we use japanese pokemon names in this thread or the American ones?) I know that this is a thing for Satoshi now and he's been doing it for years but...Kazunari just freaking stepped in front of him and he's like "Okay go ahead." I'm like "WHAT?!"

And I just loved how Kotone was trying to set Hikari and Kazunari up. This was playing out like a shoujo manga. :p

And Hikari lost again....:(

EDIT: Holy crap, the November episodes sound amazing!

[CyberCubed]

You should try to watch any of the Pokehunter J episodes, they're some of the best of the series. There were 5 of them over the course of Sinnoh.

[Rolling Cloud]

Episode title for DP153 got dropped: "Full of Danger! Kojiro's treasure chest"

[Jacob T. Paschal]

This thread popping back up reminds me: has the Galatic arc wrapped up yet? How'd it end? O.o

[RockmanDash]

Actually the three part finale of Team Galatic starts next week.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Actually the three part finale of Team Galatic starts next week.

Ack, shows how little I keep up with the anime. :p


Three parts, eh? I wonder if the second two shall be aired as an hour long finalé...

[Daxdiv]

Actually, you're right on the money with that. So far, according to Bulbanews, the final 2 parts are airing as an hour-long special.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Actually, you're right on the money with that. So far, according to Bulbanews, the final 2 parts are airing as an hour-long special.

Figured as much. It makes sense, too...considering the event it will surely be..


I've not followed the series as closely as I'd have liked to, but I really think--assuming the writers didn't do so--that Satoshi, Hikari, and Takeshi could've had their own on-going rivalries with each Galatic Commander. Would've been a nice way to fill up time, too.

[garfield15]

Yeah, I'm trying to fill in the gap here but what I've heard, the Galatic fights sound awesome. Also, is Rie Tanaka one of them?

(Any word of when they're changing that OP song? I hope that making a remix of the same song isn't going to be a "thing" now)

[Mesousa]

I got huge, huge news.

The 12th Pokemon movie (Arceus and The Jewel Of Life, which came out last summer in Japan) will premiere in Cartoon Network Austrailia this Friday.

Random.

On the anime side, though, what an odd episode, with Pikachu and Piplup, I mean...eh?

[RockmanDash]

I got huge, huge news.

The 12th Pokemon movie (Arceus and The Jewel Of Life, which came out last summer in Japan) will premiere in Cartoon Network Austrailia this Friday.

Random.

On the anime side, though, what an odd episode, with Pikachu and Piplup, I mean...eh?

Link and source or it never happened.

EDIT: Oh wait..yeah your right! Wow that was..quick.

[CyberCubed]

So the Galactic finale will wrap up in Japan next week with a 2-parter. After that I wager Sinnoh has about another 35-40 eps where they wrap up Ash/Dawn's quests and head to the leagues.