Nightwing Beyond

[adoptedBatpuppy]

What happened to Nightwing? They only used his name once in Batman Beyond Return of the Joker. Do you think he's fighting villans in another country or is he retired from crimefighting like Bruce Wayne. I hope next BB movie would be about him and Alfred. Alfred is very likeable character. I don't know what would Bruce do without him.

[Nightflower]

Originally posted by Rimma Likover
Alfred is very likeable character. I don't know what would Bruce do without him.

Become a bitter, disillusioned old man? :D

[BeastBoyWonder]

I have a few ideas about a "Nightwing beyond" story.

[Clark J. Kent]

As I have often said, I would prefer that the story of Nightwing never be told. I think it's cool to have a mystery at the end of that series. Why do we need to know everything? Sometimes, knowing everything ruins the brilliant effect of things.

[Trent Lane]

Yeah, mysteries are cool and all, but I'd still like to know if Bruce or Paul ever had an idea as to what happened to Nightwing...

[Barb Gordon]

Good point CK. Although I would have liked to of know a little bit more of what happened to Dick, keeping it a mystery works too, and it also is better than them really screwing up with his Beyond self or something. Dick was mentioned in the BB movie, and he has been referred to about twice I think in the series. I beleive that the rumored story was that Dick was off away from the gang, perhaps in Bludhaven, training young superheroes. But, obviously, that has never been confirmed, it's all really speculation.

Barb^-^

[Terminatah]

Nightwing's fate is ALREADY a mystery. As was the entire future of Batman before Batman Beyond came along. But what is Batman Beyond, if not a whole series of "What if's"? They might as well fill us in on the rest of the BB history, because it's never going to go past the Elseworlds stage anyway. The idea that his future is undetermined will always be an option, Nightwing Beyond or not.

-Terminatah

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by Terminatah
Nightwing's fate is ALREADY a mystery. As was the entire future of Batman before Batman Beyond came along. But what is Batman Beyond, if not a whole series of "What if's"? They might as well fill us in on the rest of the BB history, because it's never going to go past the Elseworlds stage anyway. The idea that his future is undetermined will always be an option, Nightwing Beyond or not.

-Terminatah

So, here's a question for you guys who push BB as an "Elseworlds":

Can Elseworlds have their own variant Elseworlds offshoots? That is, might there be a BB Elseworlds in which Nightwing is living in a retirement community in Florida, and an Elseworlds where he is still actively training crimefighters; and each of these Elseworlds is perfectly consistent with the BB "Elseworlds"? Or must BB have its own complete and unique continuity with no Elseworld offshoots coming off of it?

[Terminatah]

Originally posted by Maxie Zeus


So, here's a question for you guys who push BB as an "Elseworlds":

Can Elseworlds have their own variant Elseworlds offshoots? That is, might there be a BB Elseworlds in which Nightwing is living in a retirement community in Florida, and an Elseworlds where he is still actively training crimefighters; and each of these Elseworlds is perfectly consistent with the BB "Elseworlds"? Or must BB have its own complete and unique continuity with no Elseworld offshoots coming off of it? I think Batman Beyond should have its own established and definitive continuity. I wouldn't push the Elseworlds angle, except that's how I remember the creators describing it. I suppose they didn't want to ruin it for the fans who didn't like Batman Beyond.

-Terminatah

[The Dark Knight]

Originally posted by Maxie Zeus


So, here's a question for you guys who push BB as an "Elseworlds":

Can Elseworlds have their own variant Elseworlds offshoots? That is, might there be a BB Elseworlds in which Nightwing is living in a retirement community in Florida, and an Elseworlds where he is still actively training crimefighters; and each of these Elseworlds is perfectly consistent with the BB "Elseworlds"? Or must BB have its own complete and unique continuity with no Elseworld offshoots coming off of it?
I would say no. Just because BB is an "Elseworlds" doesn't mean it shouldn't have a defined story. It should be treated as having its own distinct continuity, because then we'll just start going into a bunch of "what ifs" and we'll never take it seriously. Maybe once we go into "Beyond Batman Beyond" we can go into the whole Elseworlds of Elseworlds...

By the way, Maxie, I hope you enjoy tomorrows Batman on CN. ;)

[Golden Age Flash]

I always hated the Elseworlds slant on Batman Beyond. I really liked the show overall, and enjoyed all the references to BTAS. It sort of rounded out the animated continuity.

I've been reading batman in comics for a good 15 year now and love the comic continuity, but the animated stuff has been a ton of fun... and creatively different from the comic world. So I say let batman beyond be the animated future, we'll always have the comics.......


....which leave the future a mystery.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

That's an interesting point.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

Originally posted by Maxie Zeus


So, here's a question for you guys who push BB as an "Elseworlds":

Can Elseworlds have their own variant Elseworlds offshoots? That is, might there be a BB Elseworlds in which Nightwing is living in a retirement community in Florida, and an Elseworlds where he is still actively training crimefighters; and each of these Elseworlds is perfectly consistent with the BB "Elseworlds"? Or must BB have its own complete and unique continuity with no Elseworld offshoots coming off of it?

Maxie, can you please word your queshtion differently? I don't get it.

[Maxie Zeus]

Maxie, can you please word your queshtion differently? I don't get it.

Sorry. Maybe this will help.

The idea actually develops out of a problem in modal logic, with the idea of "possible worlds." A "possible world" is like an Elsewords: It is possible that tomorrow I eat cold cereal for breakfast; call the world in which I do eat cold cereal for breakfast tomorrow a "possible world."

Well, there are lots of possibilities, so there are lots of "possible worlds," each one contradicting or overlapping with the others. So, possibly tomorrow I will win $1 million and not be run over by a bus. That's one possible world. But there is another in which I do not win $1 million and am run over by a bus. That's another possible world.

Now, what about the aftermath of these possibilities? Well, in the former, possibly I take the money and invest it in the stock market; but possibly I give it all to charity. In the second case, possibly I recover from being run over; but possibly I die. How are these possibilities related to the former?

Well, one way is to say that there are possible worlds branching off the actual world, and possible worlds branching off each of each of the possible worlds. Just as a river can have tributaries coming off of tributaries, it seems like you could have possible worlds branching off of possible worlds.

I don't want to get into the technical problems that this poses for logic. But I was just curious if the BB Elseworlds crowd would have recognized different Elseworlds branching off of BB, each with it's own 'possible' line on what happened to Nightwing.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

Yeah, there are many different posssibilities as to what happened to Nightwing.