Duchovny Return Confirmed!

[Failure]

There's an article on www.thexfiles.com (http://www.thexfiles.com) about Duchovny's return for the 2 part season finale. He will indeed be back. In addition, he's going to be directing an episode later in the season. Episode 9x17, I think, I don't remember the name. Unforunately, he won't be acting in it.

It's gonna be bittersweet when the X-Files leaves, but I'm ecstatic that DD's back. Now at least, they can go out with a real ending.

[Clayface]

Ugh. It's rather unfortunate he's returning. I like the series a lot better once he left. This seems very unneccessary.

[Failure]

So you're saying you've liked the past 2 seasons moreso than say the first 5?

[Sheamon]

Yaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1) David Duchovney was on full time for SEVEN seasons and part time for the 8th. This is the first full season without him (although thats not the case anymore :D)
2) While the monster of the week episodes this season have been great, the myth sucks because... the main character's gone! Big surprise there! :p

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by Clayface
Ugh. It's rather unfortunate he's returning. I like the series a lot better once he left. This seems very unneccessary.

Mulder played a central role in the "search for the truth" and was a key figure as the conspiracy began to unfold over the years. I would say it's a necessity for DD to return as Mulder was the driving force since the beginning in unearthing everything the series has been building toward.

[Clayface]

I liked the first 4 seasons of the show. After that, it just got realy convoluted and boring. I lost complete interest, and only watched hte show occasionally until DD left. Once he was gone, and they brought in some fresh talent, it got much better than season 5+ in my opinion. His appearances in the recent seasons have been painful to watch, because they've been meaningless, and his bad acting stands out even more so now that they've got good actors on the show.

[Failure]

I'll admit season 8 & 9 have been an improvement over 6 & 7. But I think that has as much to do with the writers. Although season 9's myth arcs have been a bore to me, first time that's ever happened.

I don't think Duchovny's a bad actor, I think he just got bored after a while and let his performance slip. His performances were great in the first 4-5 seasons. I'd say that GA's performance has slipped this year, because she seems so bored half the time. Robert Patrick has been a great addition though.

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by Clayface
and his bad acting stands out even more so now that they've got good actors on the show.

I wouldn't say that. Duchnovy's done fine as Mulder. The major problem, as you said, was the writing for several years. That's DD's fault. After all the years in which Mulder's played a major role, it wouldn't make much sense to get to the conclusion without him.

[Karkull]

When you get down to it the show was really all about Mulder. His crusade, his past, his trying to sell Dana "the Sceptic" Scully on his wild theories...he was the protagonist. The show couldn't end without him.

[Clayface]

I'm sorry,but Buchovny is a terrible actor. I cringe watching the box sets of the first four season - I think the only reason he was tolerable was because the writing was good then. The writing started slipping in season 5, and his acting continued to stay bad. And now that they've got good actors, he looks even worse. The man can't act - in every movie I've seen him in, he's been stiff and monotone. He does it in the show too. He's just a bad actor.

[RogueMartian]

I think of duchovny the same way I think of william shatner. They're really good in some roles, and really bad in others. I like the new guy though, he's a good contrast and plays the role that used to belong to scully. He's especially necessary, since scully has gone from skeptic to wet rag.

The show couldn't end without mulder though, he's the protagonist.

[Clayface]

Originally posted by RogueMartian

The show couldn't end without mulder though, he's the protagonist.


Not to me. I lost my interest in him as the protagonist long ago - several seasons ago. I really couldn't care less about his story anymore.

[Failure]

Mulder's story has come full circle, more or less. Ever since they revealed what happened to his sister, the myth arcs have lacked focus though.

I don't really think Mulder's stiff and monotone per se, I think that's how his character was written. As a very laid back type. And I think DD did a great job with it. Of course, I haven't seen any of his other movies though (although I did want to see Evolution). Maybe he's just being typecast as the laid back, emotionless guy?

I'm going to miss Robert Patrick, losing Doggett is the bitterest part of the bittersweet goodbye.

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by Clayface

Not to me. I lost my interest in him as the protagonist long ago - several seasons ago. I really couldn't care less about his story anymore.

As Karkull said, the search for the truth was always Mulder's "crusade." The bigger picture that we've been seeing, the story that encompasses the whole series...it means more to Mulder than to any of the others. He was a believer well before any of the others were open to his ideas. Given that this story has unfolded through Mulder's efforts primarily, with Mulder as protagonist, it wouldn't be right to finally reach the end he's been striving after without him there to see it.

I understand that you don't like him, but his importance to the series is greater than any of the others. I'm guessing your opinion of him is in the minority. I don't mean that as a criticism, but just that most would find an ending without Mulder to be very unsatisfying. In the scope of things, Mulder's presence is important.

[Salvor]

I strongly disagree with you Clayface. First I think Duchovny IS a great actor! He has a keen sense of humor, and as far as comedy is concerned, he does a wonderful job (he's just hilarious in 'Evolution'... believe me, I saw no stiffness there). Now admittedly in the X-files, his character has always been a bit bland, and that's why Duchovny himself has often said the character kept him from acting the way he enjoys acting... besides, the fact that Steven Sorderberg has chosen him for his next movie makes plain that even the best director of the moment doesn't disagree with me.

And you're saying today's crew works better? First Gillian Anderson is more annoying than ever... she just keeps whining all the time, I couldn't think of any more 'monotone" acting than hers. Then the new Reyes girl is ALSO very boring. She has no charisma, and has watched too many 'profiler' episodes... Sure, Robert Patrick is good, and he doesn't save the show from the monotony (thanks for using this word, Clay, since, to me, it depicts what the XF are nowadays :)) the show seems to be plagued by.

Thus I'm really GLAD Duchovny will be back for the series finale.

[Clayface]

Originally posted by DarkAngel


As Karkull said, the search for the truth was always Mulder's "crusade." The bigger picture that we've been seeing, the story that encompasses the whole series...it means more to Mulder than to any of the others. He was a believer well before any of the others were open to his ideas. Given that this story has unfolded through Mulder's efforts primarily, with Mulder as protagonist, it wouldn't be right to finally reach the end he's been striving after without him there to see it.



I think Failure summed this up best - Mulder's story has already come full circle- his story is done. Time to move on, but some fans refuse to.




I understand that you don't like him, but his importance to the series is greater than any of the others. I'm guessing your opinion of him is in the minority. I don't mean that as a criticism, but just that most would find an ending without Mulder to be very unsatisfying. In the scope of things, Mulder's presence is important.


Like I said, I don't think he's an important character anymore. His role is over, and his story is completed. Bringing him back now just seems to me to be a desperate attempt at making the hardcore fan-base happy.

I dont' really think my opinion is in the minority on this - it may be here on the boards, but if you check out a lot of the other online -Files community, there'a lot of support for Mulder being gone for good.

Out of my group of friends, they're all in agreement. We've been watching the show since it first premiered, and we all feel that the need for Mulder is no longer there.

[Clayface]

Originally posted by Salvor
I strongly disagree with you Clayface. First I think Duchovny IS a great actor! He has a keen sense of humor, and as far as comedy is concerned, he does a wonderful job (he's just hilarious in 'Evolution'... believe me, I saw no stiffness there).



I saw plenty of stiffness there. Apparently we disagree on what makes a good actor. Please don't tell me you're one of the ones that think Christopher Walken is a great actor too! :rolleyes:




Now admittedly in the X-files, his character has always been a bit bland, and that's why Duchovny himself has often said the character kept him from acting the way he enjoys acting... besides, the fact that Steven Sorderberg has chosen him for his next movie makes plain that even the best director of the moment doesn't disagree with me.



Well, since I don't consider Sorderberg to be "the best director of the moment", that statement doesn't do much to convince me of his acting skills. I'm going off of the performances I've seen of his,a nd they've all been stiff. Yes, he does have a good sense of humor - I always enjoy seeing him on the talk show circuit. But the man can't act - he's always the same character (even when the character isn't written that way), and he's always got the same delivery of lines, and the same tone of voice. He's got no range at all. RogueMartian's statement is pretty accurate - he's like William Shatner (or Christopher Walken, or Keanu Reeves) - he can pull off certain roles, but a real actor can pull off any role.




And you're saying today's crew works better? First Gillian Anderson is more annoying than ever... she just keeps whining all the time, I couldn't think of any more 'monotone" acting than hers. Then the new Reyes girl is ALSO very boring. She has no charisma, and has watched too many 'profiler' episodes... Sure, Robert Patrick is good, and he doesn't save the show from the monotony (thanks for using this word, Clay, since, to me, it depicts what the XF are nowadays :)) the show seems to be plagued by.



Oh, i never said I liked Gillian Anderson's performance as of late. In fact, I think she should have left teh show the same time Mulder did. I like the new Reyes character - I don't find her boring at all. And Patrick alone makes the entire show shine, IMO.

[Failure]

Originally posted by Salvor
And you're saying today's crew works better? First Gillian Anderson is more annoying than ever... she just keeps whining all the time, I couldn't think of any more 'monotone" acting than hers. Then the new Reyes girl is ALSO very boring. She has no charisma, and has watched too many 'profiler' episodes... Sure, Robert Patrick is good, and he doesn't save the show from the monotony (thanks for using this word, Clay, since, to me, it depicts what the XF are nowadays :)) the show seems to be plagued by.

Thus I'm really GLAD Duchovny will be back for the series finale.

I just have to interject and say that GA is a great actress, but I agree with Clayface, she shoulda' left with Mulder. Right now, it's very obvious that she's bored. I havent really warmed up to Reyes yet either.

[Sheamon]

Who's Mulder's father?
What REALLY happened to his sister? Not this starlight crap.
What happened to the brain disease Mulder got?
What happened during Mulder's abduction?
Why is Mulder suddenly on the run when he never needed to during the first 8 seasons?

The Mulder story is far from over. Anyone who's actually watched the show before they screwed it up last season knows that.


I dont' really think my opinion is in the minority on this - it may be here on the boards, but if you check out a lot of the other online -Files community, there'a lot of support for Mulder being gone for good.


LoL! Its the exact opposite. I know because I spend a lot of time at the online X-Files communities.

[Clayface]

Originally posted by Sheamon
Who's Mulder's father?
What REALLY happened to his sister? Not this starlight crap.
What happened to the brain disease Mulder got?
What happened during Mulder's abduction?
Why is Mulder suddenly on the run when he never needed to during the first 8 seasons?



Better question:
Who cares anymore??

Do you really think they're going to address any of these in the finale? Doubt it.




The Mulder story is far from over. Anyone who's actually watched the show before they screwed it up last season knows that.



A blatant attempt at flaming. I'm not going to bother to stoop to that level.




LoL! Its the exact opposite. I know because I spend a lot of time at the online X-Files communities.


Then you don't spend time at the same boards I do.

[Failure]

Originally posted by Sheamon
Who's Mulder's father?
What REALLY happened to his sister? Not this starlight crap.
What happened to the brain disease Mulder got?
What happened during Mulder's abduction?
Why is Mulder suddenly on the run when he never needed to during the first 8 seasons?


A lot of this is due to sloppy writing. The problem is they start creating storylines before finishing other storylines and never get back to them. I mean where did Supersoldiers come from? Where did those aliens who bled toxic, green blood go? Wasn't Billy Miles a human replacement alien and NOT a supersoldier? What happened to the black oil alien? They're never going to be able to tie all this up in the last few eps they're going to devote to.

[Salvor]

Originally posted by Clayface

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I saw plenty of stiffness there. Apparently we disagree on what makes a good actor. Please don't tell me you're one of the ones that think Christopher Walken is a great actor too! :rolleyes:

Well his performance in The Deer Hunter was outstanding, hell yeah! So what is a great actor to you? Someone who manages to knit his brows and to yell angrily at the same time? Sorry, I prefer subtlety. It's a rare gift ppl like Harisson Ford or Sean Connery were given. Not that I'm comparing Duchovny to THEM. Still, he does a neat job at balancing his feelings and being as natural as can be.



Well, since I don't consider Sorderberg to be "the best director of the moment", that statement doesn't do much to convince me of his acting skills. I'm going off of the performances I've seen of his,a nd they've all been stiff. Yes, he does have a good sense of humor - I always enjoy seeing him on the talk show circuit. But the man can't act - he's always the same character (even when the character isn't written that way), and he's always got the same delivery of lines, and the same tone of voice. He's got no range at all. RogueMartian's statement is pretty accurate - he's like William Shatner (or Christopher Walken, or Keanu Reeves) - he can pull off certain roles, but a real actor can pull off any role.

How dare you compare Reeves and Walken?? Reeves can't act. :) Everyboady knows it.
And we really disagree on what DD is capable of. No way to set things out here.



Oh, i never said I liked Gillian Anderson's performance as of late. In fact, I think she should have left teh show the same time Mulder did. I like the new Reyes character - I don't find her boring at all. And Patrick alone makes the entire show shine, IMO.

I don't think so. He's good, but let's face it, what do know about his character? He lost his son, fine. We saw his ex-wife, cool. What else? That's what you think a whole show can be based on? He doesn't have the history Mulder has always had.

[Clayface]

Originally posted by Salvor

Well his performance in The Deer Hunter was outstanding, hell yeah! So what is a great actor to you? Someone who manages to knit his brows and to yell angrily at the same time? Sorry, I prefer subtlety. It's a rare gift ppl like Harisson Ford or Sean Connery were given.



I think Harrison Ford and Sean Connery are great actors. I think Kevin Spacey is a genuis actor. I think DD is a bad actor. ;)




And we really disagree on what DD is capable of.



I agree. And so far I've not seen any examples that show his "acting abilities".




I don't think so. He's good, but let's face it, what do know about his character? He lost his son, fine. We saw his ex-wife, cool. What else? That's what you think a whole show can be based on? He doesn't have the history Mulder has always had.


What did we know about Mulder's character by the end of the first or second season? That he came from a messed up family? Woop-de-doo.

I'm not saying that Patrick's character is any better or worse than Mulder's. I am saying that I get a heck of alot more pleasure out of watching Patrick acting than I do watching DD attempt to. The writing may not be al ot better, but Patrick can pull off the bad lines much more convincingly then DD ever has.

[Sheamon]

Originally posted by Clayface



Better question:
Who cares anymore??

Do you really think they're going to address any of these in the finale? Doubt it.


Thats not the subject. You said his story had come around full circle. I say it hasn't. It has little to do with how they're gonna resolve things (which I must admit, I have a very pessimistic attitude about it as well). If Mulder's there, atleast you know there's some sliver of a chance that they might answer something. A Mulderness finale would probably compose of nothing but shipper garbage and time dedicated to the oh so badly named super soldiers.

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Then you don't spend time at the same boards I do.
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Where do you go? :p

[Clayface]

Originally posted by Sheamon

Thats not the subject.



Sure it is! The point is, we've gotten as much closure as they're going to give us for Mulder in the TV series. They're certainly not going to tie up any lose ends in his story, since Carter wants to do more X-Files movies with the character.




You said his story had come around full circle. I say it hasn't. It has little to do with how they're gonna resolve things (which I must admit, I have a very pessimistic attitude about it as well). If Mulder's there, atleast you know there's some sliver of a chance that they might answer something.



I don't agree. Carter and crew have tied up what they wanted to with Mulder. They're not going to do anything but introduce more questions so that they can more to do in the next movie.




A Mulderness finale would probably compose of nothing but shipper garbage and time dedicated to the oh so badly named super soldiers.



I think a Mulder-less finale is going to be alot better than a Mulder-ful finale, where all we'll get is him mysteriously showing up, complaining about how he can't stay around because it will endanger Scully, and then disappearing again, while yet another new form of alien chases him around. Ugh. At least with a Mulder-less finale, maybe they'll do something more interesting than that drivel.