DKA Presents - "Batman Beyond: Stripped" Talkback, Part 2 (Spoilers)

[The Flash]

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[Anime]

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Hopefully it will be a balance between epical and personal. Since this is our final Batman Beyond outing, I want it to be big (as any send off should be) but at the same time, I want it to have a personal and more "Batmanesque" undercurrent, something more intense and low key.

Of course, BB always managed both. It was more about big fights than BTAS, so hopefully we can respectfully blend a bit of the two!Here's hoping. *crosses fingers*

I loved the latest installment. Creepy, yet brilliant at the same time. Art work was spectular as usual! Huzzah!

[James]

Here's hoping. *crosses fingers*

I loved the latest installment. Creepy, yet brilliant at the same time. Art work was spectular as usual! Huzzah!

Yeah, we were looking for creepy. It's quite a dark installment really with quite a shift in character standpoint. Huzzah indeed. :)

[Alpha Flight]

James and Kris what a great issue!

In issue #30 we got a devasted Metropolis, and a sinster Dr. Fate both drawn realistically!

Now in issue #31 we get a storyline/script that is getting real exciting!

I only wish each was longer. Oh well I guess that's what DKA is for! Great job!

[James]

James and Kris what a great issue!

In issue #30 we got a devasted Metropolis, and a sinster Dr. Fate both drawn realistically!

Now in issue #31 we get a storyline/script that is getting real exciting!

I only wish each was longer. Oh well I guess that's what DKA is for! Great job!

That's good to hear. As the story breaks open more and more, there is always the fear people will lose interest and/or be dissatisfied with plot advancements/resolutions beyond their original expectations.

If you are still reading and are happy to do so we know we're doing SOMETHING right! :)

[Alpha Flight]

There will always will be some people diverging but there will be people joining and continuing to read! Your comics are definitely good and worth reading!

[adoptedBatpuppy]

Very Nice, I love the way you draw characters, an element of surprise there!

[James]

Very Nice, I love the way you draw characters, an element of surprise there!

Thanks Alpha and AdoptedB. It's appreciated. It's rewarding to see it's enjoyed. Especially rewarding as more and less this has been planned since January last year and after a year of waiting I've finally been able to reveal some of the major plotlines. A year is a long way to wait to see if people are going to like some of the major revelations!

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[Arrakhat]

Wowwy. So Dick's been forced to accept the mantle of the Bat, and Batman will die. Interesting. Just wondering: Was Bruce's comment on Max being like Tim a nod to the show when Max said she'd help Terry as long as he didn't call her Robin? I'm looking forward to seeing Crane again, and I've got to agree with Bruce on rescuing Dana, but it seems like it may be too late.

[SilverKnight]

Hmm. I can't help but wonder if the comparison between her and Tim is a clue of which 'Batman' is going to die first. Because, knowing you and your unabated blood lust, they're all going to die eventually. :p Seriously. You're almost as bad as I am. :D

Though with three Batsuits, I can't help but wonder how many of those bad boys Bruce had made. Of course, Bruce being Bruce, he would have spares... Never know what might happen and all.

Anyway, nice installment, and I can't wait for the next bit. Slavedriver. :p

[James]

Wowwy. So Dick's been forced to accept the mantle of the Bat, and Batman will die. Interesting. Just wondering: Was Bruce's comment on Max being like Tim a nod to the show when Max said she'd help Terry as long as he didn't call her Robin? I'm looking forward to seeing Crane again, and I've got to agree with Bruce on rescuing Dana, but it seems like it may be too late.


Kris and I had loooong talks about this without giving anything away. This was always a part of my plan but there were rational concerns he brought up. We did wonder whether we should have a NW suit, but beyond other metaphorical reasons, I feel that Dick is the sort of guy at this point not to care THAT much. The suit is a useful tool and he's been out of the hero game. He'll use what's at hand and the batsuit will be more benefical to him now than his old NW suit. Besides, it would be too fanficy (to again make it a dirty word) to have him in his own suits. Kris had something other cool suggestions, but I preferred moving them into the same suit. More iconic. :)



Hmm. I can't help but wonder if the comparison between her and Tim is a clue of which 'Batman' is going to die first. Because, knowing you and your unabated blood lust, they're all going to die eventually. :p Seriously. You're almost as bad as I am. :D

Lol. Everyone dies eventually hon. Can they prevent such a prophecy coming true? Find out, next week, same time, etc. Well not next week.. but it's a concern which harks back to strip #2. Does Brucie ever get a break?



Though with three Batsuits, I can't help but wonder how many of those bad boys Bruce had made. Of course, Bruce being Bruce, he would have spares... Never know what might happen and all.

Well considering he's rich and resourceful it seemed to me out of character for him to have one. Alfred always kept spares, so I imagine that rationale would continue eventually with Terry. Probably not at first, but I always felt by season three there must be a few backups knocking around. I was tempted to have one character use Barb's yellow one from DKA, but I forgot to speak to Kris about that. Personally, I like them all being in the same suits. Equal troops carrying Terry's mantle. Sort of cool in a sad way.


Slavedriver. :p

Hehe. Good opportunity to butter up Kris and say how much I really like the colouring on that final panel. It just carries Dick's expression more perfectly than I could imagine. It's those little details...

[S.C.B]

The tension builds...

I'm also taking bets that Max will die first. Nothing against her (much), but she seems the most reasonable, considering her inexperience.

I wonder what Dr Fate's up to...

[adoptedBatpuppy]

Looks like Batman is having some self-doubts about him nagotiating with a criminal. Then why did he do it? It is so not like him. :shrug:

[Wing Zero]

The smell of impending doom once again. No problem with that as you guys have been building up the story nicely these past few strips. Neat touch with the 3 batsuits. Where's Zeta when you need him? Although about Max I know if I was Bruce, I'd make sure the most action Max would see is putting on the suit and driving around in the Batmobile :p

As always, good work and its nice to have a little extra DCAU right now with no JLU on the air.

[James]

Looks like Batman is having some self-doubts about him nagotiating with a criminal. Then why did he do it? It is so not like him. :shrug:

Very true, which is why I think Bruce feels so vunerable. New spangled youth or not, he's still an old man in there. He's not as tuned in and as sharp as he used to be. You don't get day to day action, you will inevitably lose a certain edge. On top of that he's been heavily affected by Terry's demise.

And if those answers don't sit well, as he said strips ago, he was heavily dosed up on drugs from being put inside an institution by Barb. Maybe that was a factor. I think deep down he knows it's not and he's feeling that burden as things spiral more and more out of control to the point he's relying on civillians. Not a good day for Bruce, trapped between a rock and apocalypse. ;)


Where's Zeta when you need him? Although about Max I know if I was Bruce, I'd make sure the most action Max would see is putting on the suit and driving around in the Batmobile images/smilies/tongue.gif

Oh he's off having a spiffy adventure involving pirates, Nazi soldiers, hidden treasure and moon dust. He's way too busy. ;)

As for Max, I'm sure if Bruce can keep her to the sidelines, he will. Question is, when no one in the city - or even world - is in dire danger, how can you protect anyone?

[Paul_Cousins]

From the 01-15-2006 Strip: Dick to Max, "Wait until it (the costume) starts iching kid."

*Falls on the floor laughing!!* LOL!! That's a good one SJJ. :zim:

[James]

From the 01-15-2006 Strip: Dick to Max, "Wait until it (the costume) starts iching kid."

*Falls on the floor laughing!!* LOL!! That's a good one SJJ. :zim:

It's just one of those things we never really think about... ;)

[Paul_Cousins]

It's just one of those things we never really think about... ;)Very true.

Anyway, since you are also a Teen Titans fan, have you seen the final episode "Things Change" yet? With your flare for drama, it would be right up your alley. :cool:

[James]

Very true.

Anyway, since you are also a Teen Titans fan, have you seen the final episode "Things Change" yet? With your flare for drama, it would be right up your alley. :cool:

No, not yet, but I'm curious. I must admit, I lost interest in TT somewhat. It's a quality production but I just felt, I don't know, as if I was perhaps a little old for it and after I got used to the format, it didn't feel as if the stories were consistantly interesting even if the humour was often spot on.

I've always been reluctant to fire off too many connections with DKA and TT, but if I can see it before the DKA final issue and I feel there is anything that makes underscoring a connection worth while, I may do a small rewrite. There is room for such a change, I've yet to be convinced there is enough reason to solidify any connection.

[Paul_Cousins]

No, not yet, but I'm curious. I must admit, I lost interest in TT somewhat. It's a quality production but I just felt, I don't know, as if I was perhaps a little old for it and after I got used to the format, it didn't feel as if the stories were consistantly interesting even if the humour was often spot on.

I've always been reluctant to fire off too many connections with DKA and TT, but if I can see it before the DKA final issue and I feel there is anything that makes underscoring a connection worth while, I may do a small rewrite. There is room for such a change, I've yet to be convinced there is enough reason to solidify any connection.If there is one TT episode that you need to see, it is "Things Change." It is sooo good.

Though, be aware that the episode will hit you in the emotion gut much like B:TAS: Heart of Ice and Cowboy Bebop: Real Folk Blues did.

[klammed]

Oh i like this. Is it just me or is Bruce's face slowly going more gaunt? Great show of the aging. With him sending out all his, well, younger counterparts, how helpless is Bruce feeling right now?

Can't wait for the next strip, and more on Arkham and Fate. Cliffhangers, cliffhangers. bah.

:D

[James]

Is Bruce aging? Well, aren't we all?

You the only one not bestowed with temporal youth from Morgaine Le Fey?

Dear me, get with the programme!

[Paul_Cousins]

Is Bruce aging? Well, aren't we all?

You the only one not bestowed with temporal youth from Morgaine Le Fey?

Dear me, get with the programme!Bruce should have just taken another dip into a lazarus pit, it's youthful affects would have lasted longer like in the BB episode "Out of the Past" (it took weeks for it to wear off completely). :sweat:

[James]

Bruce should have just taken another dip into a lazarus pit, it's youthful affects would have lasted longer like in the BB episode "Out of the Past" (it took weeks for it to wear off completely). :sweat:

Good idea, oh hang on - he broke it.

Besides, there is the crazy factor. A dip in that and he may go and start soliciting advice from someone even heavier than an age old mortal with god like powers..

[Paul_Cousins]

1. Good idea, oh hang on - he broke it.

2. Besides, there is the crazy factor. A dip in that and he may go and start soliciting advice from someone even heavier than an age old mortal with god like powers..1. There are several lazarus pits around the world.

2. The insanity is only temporary.

Hey, wait a minute, the lazarus pits can also revive those who have recently died. Hint, hint. ;)

Anyway, you have made a excellent webcomic, I look forward to continue reading of it in the near future. :cool:

[James]

1. There are several lazarus pits around the world.

If you know where they are. The only confirmed one Bruce and Terry destroyed. Ra's didn't like to give out such important titbits as pit locations. ;)


2. The insanity is only temporary. Any error we make is often from a moment of insanity. Furthermore the extent of how deep rooted the sanity can become is as far as I'm aware, not confirmed.


Hey, wait a minute, the lazarus pits can also revive those who have recently died. Hint, hint. ;)


Refer back to 1. Furthermore, I don't think was Bruce WANTS to cheat death. So far, he's been searching for Terry and the truth to what happened rather than a way to bring him back.

I know your points are fairly flippant, but they are solid ones and deserve solid answers. The main reason I wouldn't go near Lazarus pits with a barge pole is the same reason I guess the comics and cartoon don't rush to one (one that Bruce knows about as he seems to know everything these days) and that's because they are just too easy a resolution. Far too predictable too.

IMO, I see Lazurus pit's insanity to be far faster rooted in the human than say Out Of The Past implies, that some form of insanity may become a constant after one or two dips - depending on the will of the character. That would explain why few people used them accept Ra's (who arguably HAS been rather affected by the pits). The side effects aren't predictable and their duration uncertain.

That saves us from rushing to a pit everytime disaster strikes! ;)

Of course if you think my insanity idea is, erm, insane, again I refer you back to 1. ;)

[Paul_Cousins]

That saves us from rushing to a pit everytime disaster strikes! ;)

Of course if you think my insanity idea is, erm, insane, again I refer you back to 1. ;)Well a dip in lazarus pits will kill a healthy person. And there have been undead creatures known to live in some of the lazarus pits.

Anyway, I just wanted to point a plot point for you.

[James]

Well a dip in lazarus pits will kill a healthy person. And there have been undead creatures known to live in some of the lazarus pits.

Anyway, I just wanted to point a plot point for you.

Gotcha! :)

As I said, beyond the argument of Lazarus Pits: Pro or Con? and the issue of the pits being a predictable plot line (especially when DKA is mainly read by fairly hardcore fans), I really don't get the impression Bruce has a clue where any are. If he did, I certainly don't think he would have let the exist if he did after the apocalypse of 09.. whatever that entailed, it sounds big! ;)

Besides he's done that and heroes and villains NEVER repeat a plan. No matter how good... :)

[Primal Slayer]

wow really good, I was surprised to see Kara show up, didnt expect to see her of all people.

[James]

We've had a little delay. Lives, having to earn actual money etc so there has been a little delay. Should have the next one up very soon. Next couple of days.

[Reverend]

Sorry this one has been late folks, totally my fault, too busy coughing up my lungs and gazing lovingly at my new monitor...though not at the same time...yeah anyway, strip #33 is done and dusted, just waiting for BB to upload it.

Watch this space.


Soon...



Really soon.




Promise.

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[S.C.B]

The banter was fun - reminiscent of Bruce and Terry in their heyday.

And the little speech bubble for the suit was very cool - nice touch with the Batman Beyond symbol.

[Wing Zero]

An enjoyable strip this time around. Good to have a little light-heartedness from time to time as I'm sure you guys were thinking the same. Keep 'em comin :)

[James]

An enjoyable strip this time around. Good to have a little light-heartedness from time to time as I'm sure you guys were thinking the same. Keep 'em comin :)
Yes, definately the idea. Things are about to get fairly rough and serious, so we will be trying to counter that with some lighter moments. Some additional dialogue thrown in their by Kris (a law unto his own that one) really adds some more colour. The unicycle interplay was priceless.

I was chatting to Kris about the issue of characterisation, when when in such a short irregular space as a strip can get lost. We both wanted to have a little more reaction from Max from this point considering her relationship with Terry and Dana, but there was no room. I like to think that the world would be so topsy turvy of late, these problems would be hitting so hard and fast she hasn't the time to truely react. Works best for her and for me. ;)

EDIT: Rereading it (which I've not done for a while as it was scripted ages back) I wish we'd ended with the suit refusing to allow Dick to switch on the mute button. Something like, "Mute denied. User does not have high enough access to sound tools.." Something really humilating for a veteran hero and something many of us have heard if you've worked in an office...

[adoptedBatpuppy]

I'm confused! Who is Batman having conversation with? Thanks

[James]

I'm confused! Who is Batman having conversation with? Thanks

Read the previous two strips! Max and Dick are both dressed up as Batman. In one frame it shows both characters. Dick's speech is in the blue balloon and Max's in the red. Hope that helps!

[adoptedBatpuppy]

I'm sorry! I really should re-read the whole thing.
For some reason it's funny..

[James]

I'm sorry! I really should re-read the whole thing.
For some reason it's funny..

I'll have to do that soon. See how the whole thing is flowing.. make sure there are no plot holes.

Always best to read the past strip before the new one. We sort of guess most people do that.

[JLumember1]

Very good strip.

[solarflere]

I liked the whole SuperBat consept. :) that was a nice dialogue.

[Reverend]

Glad to see the positive feedback on this one (adoptedBatpuppy's usual incomprehension aside). I was afraid that this actually might end up being a dud since it took me so long to find the focus of the strip and I recall SJJ even mentioned that the inking didn't go quite to his liking.
Odd how things turn out like that.


I wonder if anyone spotted the cookery pun...man I'm so going to hell for that one. ;)

[James]

....I recall SJJ even mentioned that the inking didn't go quite to his liking.

Yeah, it was one of those that looked fine in pencil, but just didn't work in ink and took a lot of repair in Photoshop. I think your problems probably stemmed from the same problems I had with it.

With strips being each week and you are trying to do other things sometimes you get complacent or not as focused. I had a lot of issues with this one, however I was happier with the following ones, narratively and artistically.

I don't really have the time for full on effort in the strips and I am really glad that I have a colourist working with me who really adds that shine and a story which people are enjoying. Great to hear you are enjoying it!

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[Wing Zero]

First time we've actually seen/heard of Morgaine Le Fey in so long. You can already hear the "Oh crap, here we go." thoughts of people reading the strip. Smiled at the Once and Future Thing reference. Curious as to who her prey is, granted I haven't given it much thought, but even more curious as to who might die.

I say its about damn time you guys got the ball rolling, let's hope the ball causes tons and tons of chaos along the way ;)

[S.C.B]

Nice touch with the Chronos time loop reference. But I wonder what she did to Bruce? Is he now her pawn as well?

An Dr Fate's ominous appearance a few chapters ago is still fresh in my mind... I wonder how he and Arkham will figure into Morgaine Le Fey's mess.

[James]

First time we've actually seen/heard of Morgaine Le Fey in so long. You can already hear the "Oh crap, here we go." thoughts of people reading the strip. Smiled at the Once and Future Thing reference. Curious as to who her prey is, granted I haven't given it much thought, but even more curious as to who might die.

This is certainly a "here we go" moment as the storylines which have so far been fairly seperate begin to intertwine. Yes it has been a while with Morgaine, we've heard about her actions (defeating the JLU around strip 10, atttacking Metropolis, removing the JLU Metro tower) but actually seen her physical form since, well the second strip.

This strip is about showing a hint of her plans, the powers at her disposal and, most importantly her mindset. She isn't the Le Fey we remember, she's something more. As old Sheridan cried out in Babylon 5 and I was SO tempted to homage, it's "giants in the playground"...


I say its about damn time you guys got the ball rolling, let's hope the ball causes tons and tons of chaos along the way ;)

Lol. Yeah, as Silverknight knows when we worked on DKA in those early days, I HATE the Batcave. We've been stuck in there for FAR too long, but there was so much exposition required and it was the best place to do it.

The Batcave section was written to be more interesting IMO, however the need to press on with the story and DKA as a whole, meant we had some cuts.

Essentially there would have been a bigger showdown between Kara and Bruce at the batcave in which through confrontation he'd have to convince Kara to side with her as Barbara and Dick would be following Kara back from Metropolis (they were at conference, and she Dick and Kara were alerted to Bruce's escape from Gotham PD). It was all a little more tense. Bruce had no plan and has to improvise his way into stopping Kara from taking him back. Likewise, Kara was to prove that she was brighter than Bruce was giving her credit for.. oh and there was a cliffhanger were Bruce decides to destroy the cave in a final desperate act to trap Kara and buy more time... it was all fairly superfluous yet tense stuff. However, it just boiled down to being unnecessary. It took us too far from the story and sort of gave Bruce too much power and belittled the others. At the last minute it was rewritten so Kara and Dick had come to the conclusion that Bruce had (being bright people) and automatically on his side. This gave us a little more pace so we could move on and clear up some of the story mystery.

So yeah, we are now in a position where we can move the story to it's final stages and it's final revelation without standing around. That Batcave act wasn't as action packed as planned, but I hope it explained enough and had some elements which were interesting (Bruce's aging hand, Barbara's breakdown, the new set of Gotham Knights)...

Now we see how the Knights fair in a real life tense situation..!


Nice touch with the Chronos time loop reference. But I wonder what she did to Bruce? Is he now her pawn as well?

Maybe he always has been.... you don't make a deal with the devil without some price.. ;)


An Dr Fate's ominous appearance a few chapters ago is still fresh in my mind... I wonder how he and Arkham will figure into Morgaine Le Fey's mess.

Yeah you are keeping an eye on the right plot lines now. Keep those eyes peeled and keep up - pace is going to get faster as we play with several plotlines that are working fairly consecuatively.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

I like all the orangy/fiery background behind Morgaine Le Fey. Does she want's to kill Dick or Max?

[James]

I like all the orangy/fiery background behind Morgaine Le Fey. Does she want's to kill Dick or Max?

Dick, Max, Kara.. all the same to her. Let's spin the tumbler and see those balls go! Who's name will come up, no one knows! And it's......

[JLumember1]

I'm dying for more. :)

You guys have done some good work with the strip. I wonder which Batman she'll choose. I'm thinking Max will die since she has the less expreince and it will make Batman soo guilty.

[James]

I'm dying for more. :)


More next week.. and then I have to get back to drawing them next load..

On the DKA front as a whole, after talking to Kris, we have this story to wrap and then as we said the "Final Issue", which will wrap up DKA.

But we have agreed we'll probably do a 6 page or so epilogue which will focus on that character than DCAU has not been able to use do to embargo reasons - Nightwing.

So there you go. A heads up.

[JLumember1]

More next week.. and then I have to get back to drawing them next load..

On the DKA front as a whole, after talking to Kris, we have this story to wrap and then as we said the "Final Issue", which will wrap up DKA.

But we have agreed we'll probably do a 6 page or so epilogue which will focus on that character than DCAU has not been able to use do to embargo reasons - Nightwing.

So there you go. A heads up.

I can't wait to see the Nightwing story.

[James]

I can't wait to see the Nightwing story.

I'm pretty excited to do it to be honest. I've had an idea of doing a NW story as the finale for a couple of years and while originally the idea was far darker, it's evolved from what it was into something which I think will be the closest thing we've done which feels like the series.. that's something I've always desperately tried to avoid before, but this seems a good move.

Kind of cool how these things evolve. When I suggested my idea to Kris, he was very much against it. I was still tempted to go ahead and do it - a couple of other close confidents liked the idea a lot, but I realised to do it justice meant it would need to be biiiiiigggg and looooonggg. So it meant for that reason and to keep Kris on board, it was best to look at a different angle. The current idea Kris likes and he's swung a couple of ideas back at me. We can keep it to a one short issue without rushing the idea and it enables me to toy a little with my original idea.

Plus there is a sort of sweet irony that the story I hope will send DKA off on a high will be using the one DCAU character I dislike more than most. Perhaps that's payoff for all the nasty things I've done to the characters. More to come yet too... ;)

[Arrakhat]

Just peachy.:D It doesn't get much worse than that, but who knows, there's always another circle of hell. I hope Dick isn't the one to kick the bucket, and I must know: Is Terry dead or not?!

[James]

I must know: Is Terry dead or not?!

And I must know: Am I just the biggest tease there ever was?

[Arrakhat]

And I must know: Am I just the biggest tease there ever was?

Yes. Yes you are.:mad::D What is the meaning of this?! My tiny brain is imploding as I type. Dr. Fate had better move his tush, whatever the case. Time is a luxury he REALLY doesn't have.

[James]

Yes. Yes you are.:mad::D What is the meaning of this?! My tiny brain is imploding as I type. Dr. Fate had better move his tush, whatever the case. Time is a luxury he REALLY doesn't have.

Fate's tush? Why does that give me a chill?

Rest assured, we'll be getting a healthy mix of explanations and action in the next few weeks. Some of your questions will be answered very soon.

But not regarding Dr Fate's tush. I can't answer or give any definition to his buttocks I'm afraid. Sorry. :)

[Arrakhat]

Fate's tush? Why does that give me a chill?

Rest assured, we'll be getting a healthy mix of explanations and action in the next few weeks. Some of your questions will be answered very soon.

But not regarding Dr Fate's tush. I can't answer or give any definition to his buttocks I'm afraid. Sorry. :)
You may have misunderstood me. Knowing me, it's more likely that my thought were actually centered of Fate tush. :ack::D Like

[Arrakhat]

Fate's tush? Why does that give me a chill?

Rest assured, we'll be getting a healthy mix of explanations and action in the next few weeks. Some of your questions will be answered very soon.

But not regarding Dr Fate's tush. I can't answer or give any definition to his buttocks I'm afraid. Sorry. :)
You may have misunderstood me. Or perhaps I'm just in need of some psychological help.:D Like I said, I can't wait for the next part, answers or no. Although you could at least refer me to a site with reliable info on Fate's buttocks.:ack::p

[James]

You may have misunderstood me. Knowing me, it's more likely that my thought were actually centered of Fate tush. :ack::D Like

Perhaps we'll do a director's cut where Fate's tush is more involved in the storyline. Maybe then Fate will be able to get to the b-b-bottom of this mystery before Le Fey rear..s her ugly head. Dest-hiney awaits and Fate's tush is there to assk the right questions.

Some misprints in there sorry.

[Arrakhat]

Perhaps we'll do a director's cut where Fate's tush is more involved in the storyline. Maybe then Fate will be able to get to the b-b-bottom of this mystery before Le Fey rear..s her ugly head. Dest-hiney awaits and Fate's tush is there to assk the right questions.

Some misprints in there sorry.
:D Well that made an otherwise dull day great. Thanks for the misprints, butt you might have overdone it. (Is this what Ahnold the Governator feels like when he reads a movie script? Ifeel so silly, and yet so... empowered.:))

[James]

Slight delay on Kris' end. Should have the next one out in a couple of days. Sorry bout that.

[James]

Again, sorry about that. Kris has had some massive issues to deal with his end (that life thing again) and hopes to get it up during the weekend.

[Bird Boy]

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Book 3

Editor. Story. Linework: James Mclean
Assistant Editor. Colours. Letters: Kris Trigwell

[Arrakhat]

This one was confusing. What the heck is happening? Who is Morgan le Fey facing? What happened to Bruce? Why is Spellbinder yellow? And most importantly, why is Mad Stan's hair gray?

[Reverend]

1. Lots of weird stuff.
2. Someone in a batsuit, not Dick or Max (suggest you re-read that last few strips again, it's been a long hiatus)
3. He had another vision.
4. That'd be the funky dream/vision soft focus effect.
5. That'd be stubble.

[droogiedroogie]

This may be a frequently asked question but I just got here and don't feel like wading through a million pages of thread.

When is Stripped going to finish up so I can see the final issue of Dark Knight Adventures? I really, really, really want to see the end of that comic. Stripped is cool and all, but it's starting to drag for me, and I'd really like to see the finale of DKA.

[James]

This may be a frequently asked question but I just got here and don't feel like wading through a million pages of thread.

When is Stripped going to finish up so I can see the final issue of Dark Knight Adventures? I really, really, really want to see the end of that comic. Stripped is cool and all, but it's starting to drag for me, and I'd really like to see the finale of DKA.

Simply put, myself or Kris are really busy. I'm a struggling illustrator, I don't have time to work on the final issue and the strip. I know that's a pain, I wish we could.

Secondly, there will be a slight tie between the two, so we really need to finish this.

I'm sorry if it's dragging. We made an epical story in too short a space. That is our fault. But we're committed and we're not going to dumb or cut the tale for the sake of it. In the end, that would waste all the reader's time doing that.

It has been tailored to speed up from here, because we are going through the resolution to the plot. I hope it will engage. Our breaks haven't helped I know.

As for the questions: I always recommend just browsing the past 2-3 previous strips. Nothing in this strip hasn't been alluded to in the past two or three.

[Arrakhat]

1. Lots of weird stuff.
2. Someone in a batsuit, not Dick or Max (suggest you re-read that last few strips again, it's been a long hiatus)
3. He had another vision.
4. That'd be the funky dream/vision soft focus effect.
5. That'd be stubble.
1. True that
2. Kara then?
3. Ah. well that explains that.
4/5. You know, if I actually stopped and thought before I posted, I might have realized that. Then again, I'm always out of it. Thanks for the clarification, this is one crazy strip.

[James]

1. True that
2. Kara then?
3. Ah. well that explains that.
4/5. You know, if I actually stopped and thought before I posted, I might have realized that. Then again, I'm always out of it. Thanks for the clarification, this is one crazy strip.

Yeah it's Kara. Funny, myself and Kris discussed this last night; whether we needed a narrative box which confirmed the move from Bruce to one of the "Batmen" was Kara. He felt the comment about "you two get to the harbour" would give the info. If you do a brief strip recap, it certainly does IMO.

As I said, it's a pain, but rereading the past three makes it fairly clear whats going down.

Thanks for the kind comments. We appreciate ALL feedback (bad too) but it's nice to know it's still holding interest. I love telling this tale, but appreciate it's been a long one, so I am a little paranoid about it failing to deliver. We hope the shifts in plot and big changes coming up may shock the flavour back into the strip for those who are tiring a little!

[Arrakhat]

Yeah it's Kara. Funny, myself and Kris discussed this last night; whether we needed a narrative box which confirmed the move from Bruce to one of the "Batmen" was Kara. He felt the comment about "you two get to the harbour" would give the info. If you do a brief strip recap, it certainly does IMO.

As I said, it's a pain, but rereading the past three makes it fairly clear whats going down.

Thanks for the kind comments. We appreciate ALL feedback (bad too) but it's nice to know it's still holding interest. I love telling this tale, but appreciate it's been a long one, so I am a little paranoid about it failing to deliver. We hope the shifts in plot and big changes coming up may shock the flavour back into the strip for those who are tiring a little!
Honestly, having never read any DC comics, your DKA and BB strip are the closest I have gotten, and I love them. It helps that I'm such a BB fan that I'd lap up anything you throw me, but I like the well written, mysterious aspect. Kinda like reading an Agathe Christie novel with pictures.

[James]

Honestly, having never read any DC comics, your DKA and BB strip are the closest I have gotten, and I love them. It helps that I'm such a BB fan that I'd lap up anything you throw me, but I like the well written, mysterious aspect. Kinda like reading an Agathe Christie novel with pictures.

Good to hear. Thank you, it means a lot. Not in any ego smoothing way, simply myself and Kris truly want to make this is a good read. In a way, while we have less space, we have more in some weird situation more room to tell a decent story, while issue based comics means you have to sort of self contain a tale somewhat in each issue. I hope that BB: Stripped gives us a chance to tell some fan based character tale with a little depth. Personally, it's what I'd liked to have seen done if they'd got another DTV: a story which sort of emcompasses the world; a bit of Metropolis, old and new villains, new and old characters working together in ways they have never had to before.

But yes I readily sympathise with duration issues combined with occasional bouts of breaks. In the end we decided to do a strip because I KNEW that I would have less time a week to devote to DKA. I KNEW Ian was leaving DKA and that Kris was doing more work. It gives staff space and allows DKA to carry on without losing momentum.

I think (I hope) that while we're going to see some weird twists up ahead and some story movements that are going to push the strip format to it's limits (always fight to break a medium I say!), I hope it will entertain.

Thanks again A.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

This better be leading to something good! :p

[Alpha Flight]

This issue just makes you want more and more! Wish I could view its sequel at the iPod store ;)! Oh well I guess there's somethings not even for iPod :) but there aren't many! Anyway, I love it when you guys use a word that makes us think, like "seer!" The plot is obviously getting exciting. As for the drawing, the Gotham Express building and the water fountain with the light above it omitting a beaming ray stood out to me! As always great color selection as well.

[Wing Zero]

Eeek I'm a little late this time around. I'd like to give a eulogy to Kara, it's been nice knowing you but Le Fey has your number. Not really sure what Spellbinder is doing against Gotham at this point besides the whole Barb incident but as always, you guys will make it clear eventually, or it is already clear and I'm just too busy vegetating in my chair during spring break. Either way. ;)

[James]

Eeek I'm a little late this time around. I'd like to give a eulogy to Kara, it's been nice knowing you but Le Fey has your number. Not really sure what Spellbinder is doing against Gotham at this point besides the whole Barb incident but as always, you guys will make it clear eventually, or it is already clear and I'm just too busy vegetating in my chair during spring break. Either way. ;)

Spellbinder was referenced earlier for those who are getting a little confused. Check here - Barbara's explanation of Spellbinder's involvement in this tale:
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/DKA/issues/strips/028.php

As for Le Fey and Kara.. look out for next weekend

AlphaFlight: I actually have the strip sitting on my ipod. ;) We are thinking about doing some hi res versions of DKA. Rumour has it, DKA can be found on some of the torrent lists, so it would be nice to offer some bigger res versions. Personally, I'm not sure whether I want people to see my artwork SO close up. Only Kris has that.... honour. :sweat:

[James]

More delays Kris' end as life takes it's toll. He's confirmed he's still onboard, and hopes to get back onto the job ASAP.

So here's the plan.

I'm going to start DKA's final issue's pencils next week. The story has gone through a massive rewrite as I decided I wanted the story to be less of a fan tie up and more a story unto itself, which will pick up the story from the previous issue in England and follow through some of the strands we had pop up last year. The ending has gone through a big rewrite to allow the strip to playout co-currently and then the ending is being made into a short 5 page epilogue story which will appear afterwards.

Throughout this, the strip will continue as and when we can. Hopefully we'll get it back to speed soon. But yes, the DKA finale will be started in pencil next week. The end will be soon. :)

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Book 3

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Assistant Editor. Colours. Letters: Kris Trigwell


Morgaine Le Fey, having escaped the prison below the JLU metrotower, has virtually wrecked Metropolis. Now she has turned her attention to Gotham. The JLU have disappeared in the midst of Le Fey's attack on Metropolis, Bruce and his team suspect Le Fey.

With little left to stop Le Fey and her growing god like powers, Bruce organises a new set of Batman to help defend Gotham to the last. Kara, Dick and Max now wear the Batman Beyond costume and have head out into Gotham. Dick and Max are on the trail of the missing Dana Tan, suspecting the Scarecrow being her kidnapper while Kara has gone to stop Mad Stan who is using the anarchy hitting Gotham in the light of the Metropolis inferno for his own purposes.

As Le Fey arrives in Gotham she reaches out through the eyes of the rapidly aging Bruce Wayne.. she tells him to find Terry McGinnis. Bruces sees an image of Spellbinder by the docks... he directs Dick and Max in that direction.

Le Fey in the meantime has gone to amuse herself by facing off one of Bruce Wayne's Knights... the one who has just stopped Mad Stan..

[James]

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/DKA/

The main page has the previous strip on it as well as the new one so you can see the two together... makes more sense.. I'd forgotten myself what happened last time.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

I don't get it it's the same strip that I read previously! :confused:

[James]

I don't get it it's the same strip that I read previously! :confused:

Drop further down the page, as I said in the post above, the previous episode is there to help you catch up!

[The Guitar Slayer]

Fantastic work as usual. Beautiful work on Kara's face in the first panel, particularly. Sadly, I think a kryptonite bullet is coming down the pipe for our blondie.

Just one question -- why is she tearing up at this confrontation? I don't think Kara is the type to whimper in battle.

[James]

It references this: http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/DKA/issues/strips/031.php - Kara realising Le Fey has wiped out the JLU from existence, Clark included.

I think Kris has edited some lines out but I'm not sure I ever referenced Clark in this episode, I think Kara in the original edit implied she had more of a vendetta here, but I didn't mention Clark. So my bad.

In all fairness to BOTH of us :p, this strip was MASSIVELY delayed and we didn't actually indeed it to be over a month late, so I think that may create a larger stumbling block. Kris has been busy catching up and I'm busy with my own bread and butter work as well as inking the next DKA issue, so we didn't making any changes to help on a catch up. retrospectively and with an extra hour in the day, we should have made a reference on this. Silly mistake, but them are the breaks.

With this point in mind, or a re-read of the past 5 strips (a recommendation I always make - especially when there's been a break) should clarify everything up to now!

[Reverend]

I have to admit I also wondered why she was tearing up, but I was so far behind that I didn't question and just got on with it.
I don't think the script had any reference to Clark so I'm officially passing the buck back to James! :evil:

With the miracle of digital technology I can do a George Lucas and make the dialogue reflect Kara's resentment more clearly...after I get home.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

Morgaine killed everyone in JLU and Kara didn't know, until Bruce told her? How did she became a God??
I know this ones are dumb questions, but how did Spellbinder got involved in this? and why is Kara's hair short?
You probably think she looks better with short hair! :sweat:
Other then that it was Great! I liked the art work it has nice shadowing. :anime:
What paints did you use? :shrug:

[James]

Morgaine killed everyone in JLU and Kara didn't know, until Bruce told her? How did she became a God??

The JLU are missing to be precise. Kara has been with Bruce and the others when Metropolis was attacked a few strips back. She only found out when Bruce did.

Here's the first reference:
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/DKA/issues/strips/030.jpg

The god thing will be explained in an upcoming strip. We've been told her powers have grown since JLU, but we've not explained why. Some of this will be reference to the DKA finale issue coming soon.



I know this ones are dumb questions, but how did Spellbinder got involved in this?


Spellbinder's relation to this affair is explained below:
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/DKA/issues/strips/028.jpg

Adp, your questions do sometimes surprise me, but these are utterly relevant questions, and I'm happy to answer, especially since we've had such a MASSIVE break.



and why is Kara's hair short?


Because she wanted a change. Older ladies seem to go for shorter hair and I have no idea why. But she clearly has a fan.


Other then that it was Great! I liked the art work it has nice shadowing. :anime:
What paints did you use? :shrug:

I'm not overkeen with the art on this one. I was massively rushed and Kris's colours saved it. I use decent sable brushes to ink and Kris uses Paint Shop Pro to colour.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

You right it's been awhile, so Terry and Dana are both dead. :crying:

[James]

You right it's been awhile, so Terry and Dana are both dead. :crying:

In regards to Dana: Reread the above Barbara explanation again.. that's not actually implied. :)

Here's a synopsis:
Morgaine Le Fey, having escaped the prison below the JLU metrotower, has virtually wrecked Metropolis. Now she has turned her attention to Gotham. The JLU have disappeared in the midst of Le Fey's attack on Metropolis, Bruce and his team suspect Le Fey.

With little left to stop Le Fey and her growing god like powers, Bruce organises a new set of Batman to help defend Gotham to the last. Kara, Dick and Max now wear the Batman Beyond costume and have head out into Gotham. Dick and Max are on the trail of the missing Dana Tan, suspecting the Scarecrow being her kidnapper while Kara has gone to stop Mad Stan who is using the anarchy hitting Gotham in the light of the Metropolis inferno for his own purposes.

As Le Fey arrives in Gotham she reaches out through the eyes of the rapidly aging Bruce Wayne.. she tells him to find Terry McGinnis. Bruces sees an image of Spellbinder by the docks... he directs Dick and Max in that direction.

Le Fey in the meantime has gone to amuse herself by facing off one of Bruce Wayne's Knights... the one who has just stopped Mad Stan..

[Arrakhat]

Well it's mostly repeating the inevitable doom message, but I like the way it was handled. I also missed the fact that the JLU is gone, but that makes it all the more important that the Bat-group do something. So will we still get closure with Crane, 'cause he seems to have lost priority right now?

[James]

Well it's mostly repeating the inevitable doom message, but I like the way it was handled. I also missed the fact that the JLU is gone, but that makes it all the more important that the Bat-group do something. So will we still get closure with Crane, 'cause he seems to have lost priority right now?

Yeah Crane and a couple of other guests are coming right up - Max and Dick are on the way to the Spellbinder sighting and as you can imagine, a certain someone isn't far away...

As for JLU, well they were never really a major part of this (simply we're bursting at the seams as it is). :)

[Alpha Flight]

Sorry James and Kris;

I was on a spring time, vacation and had limited access to the internet.

Kris: Great work on Morgan Le Fay, especially the eyes!

James: I love the way you're developing character in each of the Dark Knights! It seems like all four of them intensely interact in whatever enviroment they're in!
In the continuation of this issue, it will be interesting to see how the cops interact with our hero. Will the blonde hair give anything away concerning her identity? Will they see her face and does it matter (meaning are they under Morgan's control, conscience of their surroundings or both?)
Of course don't tell us! :)

[James]

Sorry James and Kris;

I was on a spring time, vacation and had limited access to the internet.

Kris: Great work on Morgan Le Fay, especially the eyes!

James: I love the way you're developing character in each of the Dark Knights! It seems like all four of them intensely interact in whatever enviroment they're in!
In the continuation of this issue, it will be interesting to see how the cops interact with our hero. Will the blonde hair give anything away concerning her identity? Will they see her face and does it matter (meaning are they under Morgan's control, conscience of their surroundings or both?)
Of course don't tell us! :)

No need as the result should be online in the next few days. Kris and I had some discussions on one panel aspect which he felt could use a remedy. We've come to a conclusion so he's just finishing the last few frames.

Yeah, I wanted to do something differently dynamically with this story. For instance, as fans we tend to grumble about Max. Seemed a nice idea to use her in the story in a way which gives the character her own role, rather than duplicating others (in the series she seemed to just take the story role of Barbara, Dana or Bruce when required).

Kara has been used a fair bit in DKA, so that seemed a nice addition and Dick, well, we've all wondered what Dick did in BB, so here is a POSSIBLE answer. Playing with these characters and their individual quirks is fun and I think it gives Stripped it's own identity rather than just looking like a pale comparison of Timm's series. That tangent to me seemed to serve no one.

Glad you are enjoying it still, of course at this critical stage, as the FULL plot unfolds, and the true players emerge, I'm hoping readers aren't too exhausted after a year. Keeping it fresh and interesting is the key.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

Well James you and the team are doing a GREAT Job keeping the story fresh and interesting! I just can't wait for that Awesome conclusion to Everything! :p

[James]

Well James you and the team are doing a GREAT Job keeping the story fresh and interesting! I just can't wait for that Awesome conclusion to Everything! :p

Thanks. The next strip should be SOON. Kris has gone AWOL in busy life again, but I've emailed a reminder and he does half the strip done.

On another note, the final issue is in progress. I've inked 7 of the 20 pages. So it's on the move finally..

I'm planning a commentary podcast track as well which I'll do this week. It will cover questions I've had over the last 3 years regarding the process of making a fancomic (as I do get asked this via email in some form fairly regularly) as well as a bit behind the stories as well. Yes it will be a homemade mono waffle from me with a cup of tea and a host of annoying background noise I probably won't filter well. This won't be up to TZ podcast standards, just the 'bloody lucky I bother' quality. ;)

[Reverend]

I know, I know...I was working on it Tuesday but I kept getting interrupted with phone calls so didn't finish it as I hoped (stupid brothers wanting me to solve their PC problems over the phone!)
Wednesday was my birthday so...yeah not allot of memory left of that night although it's safe to say it didn't involve the strip.
I should be able to get some done tonight. Saturday will probably be a total loss since I'm out most of the day, but sunday and monday I should be free to finish it off if it's not done already!

Don't worry folks, it should be worth waiting for!

[James]

I have to admit I also wondered why she was tearing up, but I was so far behind that I didn't question and just got on with it.
I don't think the script had any reference to Clark so I'm officially passing the buck back to James! :evil:

That's odd. Because the panel was designed to have script. I know some of the drafts had her saying something.. unfortunately, DKA isn't a high enough priority for me to archive the script material, so unless I chance on an old script, I won't know.



With the miracle of digital technology I can do a George Lucas and make the dialogue reflect Kara's resentment more clearly...after I get home.

Yes, we should do that so at least it makes more sense retrospectively. Really odd this.

[James]

Okay, amusingly I've found the script (which also has some future ones I lost - wehey!).

I'll write what it says here and see if Kris can change the strip later on! I'm not sure whether this was close to what I sent Kris, I did lose this page of scripts so I may have had to change it. At least I know when I conceived the strip, there was some dialogue on that first panel about why she's crying as well as some extra dialogue later on which actually gives some info on the JLU I forgot I added!



Frame 1: Face shot: She [Kara] has pulled off her mask.
KARA: You murdered the only family I had!

Frame 2: Le Fey ignores her; her eyes glow as she detects her prey through Wayne.

Frame 3: Kara's ripped off the Bat suit in a fit of rage. Beneath it is her superwoman costume [this I changed when I drew it as it seemed... well, silly. Why would she do that? She's not Hulk Hogan for god's sake.]
KARA: Don't you dare ignore me!

Frame 4: CU on Fey. Fey's reaching into her cloak [again, this was altered as it was magical enough for the power of Fey]
Frame 5: Fey has pulled out an old styled revolver. It's glowing as if it's been conjured up.
FEY: Now my has been located...

Frame 6: Fey is aiming the gun at the audience [again, another change from script to pencil].
FEY:... I now have more pressing matters to attend to.

Frame 7: MS . Next to her are some of the police who have come for Mad Stan. Kara has suddenly become aware of them.
FEY: As for the [I]ants you protect...

Frame 8: Another wide shot [Not quite sure why I say that, there have been no wide shots yet! Again, this was written 2-3 months back]. Gun in foreground pointing at police.
FEY: I have a far more permanent solution than the banishment I generously delivered to your cousin and his gallant knights.

KARA: No!

Frame 9: Small. Fey. Close up. The gun goes off.
FX: Bang!
I may have redrafted after that, I can't remember what Kris got, though that was one stage of the script. Whether I toned it down, deleted some of it, or if Kris shifted some bits aside from the main panel I don't know. Anyhow, that's what the script was in my head, and fairly close to how I thought I'd left it!


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[Bird Boy]

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BATMAN BEYOND: STRIPPED
Book 3

Editor. Story. Linework: James Mclean
Assistant Editor. Colours. Letters: Kris Trigwell

[Mr. A]

Wow...I just wanted to let you guys know that "Stripped", like the rest of DKA, has been incredible - both the art and the story...I'm amazed at how well planned this seems to have been from the start as well as all the little story notes and fun little moments (the return of Dick Grayson!!!, Classic Batmobile!!!). It plays out as a great ending for the DCAU Batman.
I especially appreciate how you've made the original Robin such a great character and kept him true to his source material even though you're not his biggest fans. I realize things look grim for the end of the story but all I ask is that Dick go out with a little dignity, like you did with Kara.
Great work all around.

[Arrakhat]

Wow. What a way to go, though I gues it does have a cartain poetry about it. But it's Edgar Allan Poe's poetry, not the Shel Silverstine stuff. But now it's Scarecrow time. I'm bursting at the seams to see him again.

[Reverend]

Thanks guys.
FYI if you scroll up you'll see that we have fixed the dialogue for the previosu issue. Enjoy.

[James]

Wow...I just wanted to let you guys know that "Stripped", like the rest of DKA, has been incredible - both the art and the story...I'm amazed at how well planned this seems to have been from the start as well as all the little story notes and fun little moments (the return of Dick Grayson!!!, Classic Batmobile!!!). It plays out as a great ending for the DCAU Batman.

I'm not sure anyone mentioned the old Batmobile before, I did expect it to get a little more reaction. Thanks!

Yeah, this is a real fanstory. 'Fanwank' if you like. There is an original plot there, but there is so much aimed at fans - particularly things like the debut of the mysterious Dick Grayson. It's been cool to do a fan story which actually does have it's own unique angle; a missing star, a very different enemy, a new team.. etc.

And yes, 80% of this was planned from the start. Some changes have occurred as the story naturally evolved. Dick Grayson is a slightly less bitter character than I planned for instance. Plus Kris sometimes comes up with some nice chances too. More or less though, this is the story planned a year back sllloooowly manifesting.


I realize things look grim for the end of the story but all I ask is that Dick go out with a little dignity, like you did with Kara.

:evil:


Wow. What a way to go, though I gues it does have a cartain poetry about it. But it's Edgar Allan Poe's poetry, not the Shel Silverstine stuff. But now it's Scarecrow time. I'm bursting at the seams to see him again.


Thanks. Yeah, next week we're going on the trail of the Scarecrow. Stay tuned.

In other news, I'm over half way through inking the finale issue of DKA and talking to some guest artists about drawing a finale "Epilogue" issue which would be released later in the year after the Strip and the Final issue have been released. The finale will be released while the strip is in motion (unless there are massive delays) and will be around 20 pages. The finale, in some small way, does indeed offer a little backstory to the strip. You'll see how when you read it.

We're trying our best to keep the Strip regular, Kris has almost caught up (he has one more week's worth of strip before I have to get back to the drawing board - it's been a delay for you guys, but a break for me to catch up on the DKA art).

Keep reading. We have a double sized strip coming up (strip after next)marking a confrontation of major importance. Enjoy.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

You killed Supergirl! Why? :crying:

[James]

You killed Supergirl! Why? :crying:

Because people die. Because there is no threat without the risk of death. Because it was a good example of quite how ridiculously powerful Le Fey is. Because it ups the stakes. Because it gives an insight into Le Fey's internal workings. Because it will set a chain of events which will drive the story on. Because.

No one dies in these strips superflously. I would not be so ungracious with the characters to give them so little dignity. There is always reason to the madness, that in some way, it works for the story I'm telling.

[The Guitar Slayer]

....

(puts up another mark on the wall for James' death count)

That comes to....259.

Sad thing is, you're probably not done yet. :p

That said, you write good death scenes....you've had a lot of practice.

[James]

As far as I'm aware there have only been three death scenes - so you appear to be 256 off target. Bruce's "death" in issue 9, Terry's death in issue 12 and then this one. I could be wrong. I may indeed be forgetting 250 odd deaths. Oh there was the original DKA Atom in one of the text story. Just trying to keep it all in perspective. Oh and Marcus Fitzgerald - but he's a DKA character and so no one is that bothered about him. Accept Silverknight who technically created him. Eep. :)

[Reverend]

Psssst...we also fire bombed Metropolis...and Le fey zapped those 2 policemen....and that reanimated corpse.

[James]

Psssst...we also fire bombed Metropolis...and Le fey zapped those 2 policemen....and that reanimated corpse.

True. And there was that baby that Catwoman saved in issue 7. Oh and those two guys Max punched a few issues ago? The guy on the left doesn't know it yet, but the blow created a clot which would rupture in a few days time. So technically I haven't killed him yet, but you might want to add him as future collateral.

[Alpha Flight]

Wow;

The artwork is spectacular, dark and eerie!

The storyline is really picking up!
I love how Morgaine Le Fey rationalizes her actions, it makes her seem more human instead of like the god that she THINKS she has become!
You guys are halfway through the final issue of DKA? Cool!
20 pages for an epilogue issue dang can't wait to see it!

[Wing Zero]

Woo haven't commented in awhile since I've been busy but thumbs up on this strip. I'm going to agree with the others and say that Le Fey definitely expressed a humanistic quality in this entry. Her realizing that with all that power comes with a big hollow feeling. There's no challenge anymore, so I guess she decided it's just time to go bonkers now.

Great job on the artwork as always, I don't know where you guys find the time to do DKA and the BB strip. I'm on the week of finals and I'm just sitting here studying all week(well almost, I did read the strip afterall). Supergirl dying was expected, even before the previous strip was released. I just had a feeling she would die since I first saw her appear. :p

Can't wait to see next weeks, the scarecrow returns once again to everyone's delight.

[James]

Woo haven't commented in awhile since I've been busy but thumbs up on this strip. I'm going to agree with the others and say that Le Fey definitely expressed a humanistic quality in this entry. Her realizing that with all that power comes with a big hollow feeling. There's no challenge anymore, so I guess she decided it's just time to go bonkers now.


It's that age old question "if you could do everything, what is there left to do?". Le Fey is finding there is a price that comes with power. Power comes through determination. It's satisfaction comes when it is won against the odds. When there are no odds left, you have a problem.


Great job on the artwork as always, I don't know where you guys find the time to do DKA and the BB strip.

Nor do we honestly. I'm shooting through pages of the comic knowing Kris is still catching up on the strip, so I've not touched the strip in months now. So that helps!

The strip is hard. Far harder than we imagined. We really didn't think it through. Luckily, myself and Kris are both VERY stubborn. Once we start, we WILL finish. So it's not going to whimper away.

[Cortez2301]

It's that age old question "if you could do everything, what is there left to do?". Le Fey is finding there is a price that comes with power. Power comes through determination. It's satisfaction comes when it is won against the odds. When there are no odds left, you have a problem.



Nor do we honestly. I'm shooting through pages of the comic knowing Kris is still catching up on the strip, so I've not touched the strip in months now. So that helps!

The strip is hard. Far harder than we imagined. We really didn't think it through. Luckily, myself and Kris are both VERY stubborn. Once we start, we WILL finish. So it's not going to whimper away.you guys sure have excellent talents,particularly you james.

[James]

Wow;
The artwork is spectacular, dark and eerie!


My idiom I guess. I don't how some artists get such clean and bright work, I always have an urge to add some dirt, or an extra shadow...



The storyline is really picking up!


That's GREAT to hear. If we can keep the storyline moving forward even after a year, we're doing something right. One TV writer recently said, his intention is to try and keep people there; delay them from going down the pub by making them think "Hmm, hold on two secs, I just have to see how this pans out...". That's very much what myself and Kris are doing here, constantly trying to find twists, sidesteps and u-turns which make you think, "okay, I'm curious, I'll check in next week."



you guys sure have excellent talents,particularly you james.

Thanks KZ though it wouldn't look have as spanky and be quite as fan orientated if it wasn't for Kris. He really does put the icing on the cake.

[The Guitar Slayer]

True. And there was that baby that Catwoman saved in issue 7. Oh and those two guys Max punched a few issues ago? The guy on the left doesn't know it yet, but the blow created a clot which would rupture in a few days time. So technically I haven't killed him yet, but you might want to add him as future collateral.
And don't forget the entire JLU, including Superman. And the creature, I'd assume, since you sent him off to be a lab rat? :p

[James]

And don't forget the entire JLU, including Superman. And the creature, I'd assume, since you sent him off to be a lab rat? :p

The creature was taken to the Fortress Of Solitude to live out it's days as a mindless chimp in Kal's zoology quarter.

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/DKA/issues/H1/02.php

Yes and the JLU and Superman technically don't exist in our universe, so that is maybe another small casualty.

[Alpha Flight]

I always have an urge to add some dirt, or an extra shadow...

That's what makes it more realistic though!

[James]

That's what makes it more realistic though!

Kind of you to say so. Well another DKA page inked, which is 13 out of 19 so progress is being made. Just thought that was worth an update.

New strip will be up as soon as Kris finishes it. Stay tuned.

[Cortez2301]

Kind of you to say so. Well another DKA page inked, which is 13 out of 19 so progress is being made. Just thought that was worth an update.

New strip will be up as soon as Kris finishes it. Stay tuned.how long does it take to finish each comic?

[James]

how long does it take to finish each comic?

Depends. Since this isn't a paid job, it's whenever it fits and how complex the story is from script to finish.

This final issue was delayed - as I said - because I wanted the strip to finish first, but once I decided to rewrite the whole thing so we could end the comic earlier... let me think.

Probably a week or so to get the new plot in my head and onto paper. Then, being a hobby, I did a few roughs and just went straight at it. At the moment, I'm doing roughly a page an evening and then doing slight script adjustments as I finish. The colouring is a longish process, but worth it for that final finish.

This final issue has a lot crammed into it so it needs to be read, not speed read, so the reader doesn't get lost. There are quite a few fan references as well so I hope that will prove entertaining, both to DCAU and to DKA.

I have five more pages to ink and the script in it's beta form has been sent to the cover artist and Kris, so he gets an idea of the dialogue and drive of the episode.

I'm planning a set of amateur podcast commentaries - all done from my tiny little art studio - to explain some experiences of fan comics from an artist perspective and a writing perspective. If people can cope with my Brit tones, I'll do a couple just to go through the DKA stories and explain what didn't happen, why some stuff did happen and how they are meant to relate to the DCAU. I think that might just add an extra dimension to the comics and maybe help future fan comic writers and artist get some opinions on how to do fan comics based on my (too) long experience.

[Cortez2301]

Depends. Since this isn't a paid job, it's whenever it fits and how complex the story is from script to finish.

This final issue was delayed - as I said - because I wanted the strip to finish first, but once I decided to rewrite the whole thing so we could end the comic earlier... let me think.

Probably a week or so to get the new plot in my head and onto paper. Then, being a hobby, I did a few roughs and just went straight at it. At the moment, I'm doing roughly a page an evening and then doing slight script adjustments as I finish. The colouring is a longish process, but worth it for that final finish.

This final issue has a lot crammed into it so it needs to be read, not speed read, so the reader doesn't get lost. There are quite a few fan references as well so I hope that will prove entertaining, both to DCAU and to DKA.

I have five more pages to ink and the script in it's beta form has been sent to the cover artist and Kris, so he gets an idea of the dialogue and drive of the episode.

I'm planning a set of amateur podcast commentaries - all done from my tiny little art studio - to explain some experiences of fan comics from an artist perspective and a writing perspective. If people can cope with my Brit tones, I'll do a couple just to go through the DKA stories and explain what didn't happen, why some stuff did happen and how they are meant to relate to the DCAU. I think that might just add an extra dimension to the comics and maybe help future fan comic writers and artist get some opinions on how to do fan comics based on my (too) long experience.You guys plan it really good.to be honest I have not read every single one of the issues but the ones I read,especially the last one you did,were very well written and intriguing.A good writer takes his time.

[James]

You guys plan it really good.to be honest I have not read every single one of the issues but the ones I read,especially the last one you did,were very well written and intriguing.A good writer takes his time.

Well they are archived, so read as much as you like. DKA works best if you read them all as they tend to be self referential. I avoid referring to the series too much, and keep it very much it's own mini arc. Since it was written for cartoon fans, seemed sensible to make it very fan referential. There are injokes to the series, but we don't tend to pick on stories from any of the DCAU if we can help it.

Just to let you know, the strip is now running fortnightly. Reason being (aside from life, the universe and EVERYTHING getting in the way), we need room to finish off the last issue. So Kris is working on colouring strip and comic. Since the strip is virtually a page unto itself of comic work, he needs the space.

I'm still pencilling and inking in whatever space in life I get; I have... 4 more pages to ink I think of the comic and I'm ahead 2, maybe three weeks on the strip. Comic is the priority art wise - I want that finished, and I'm scripting DKA strip when ever I get a spare break to do so. Tightening dialogue and all that.

So yes, we have delays, but it's only to get the two projects running cocurrently.

Thanks for the patience.

[Reverend]

Heads up. Strip #38 has been finished and e-mailed to James for approval, so watch this space!

While I have your attention, how many people here would be interested in seeing a high-resolution presentation of DKA stripped? Say using the .CBR file format?

[James]

Heads up. Strip #38 has been finished and e-mailed to James for approval, so watch this space!

While I have your attention, how many people here would be interested in seeing a high-resolution presentation of DKA stripped? Say using the .CBR file format?

Mate, I totally forgot to check that file. Ugh, sorry, I'll have a look at that high quality Strip with wincing fear at seeing those errors in close up high quality definition.

I'll be emailing you shortly.

Oh and Kris now has all the inked pages for the final DKA, so we're on the move on that score too.

[Bird Boy]

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/DKA/previews/stripped%20promo.JPG

CLICK HERE FOR NEW STRIP (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/DKA/issues/strips/)

World's Finest & Dark Knight Adventures Presents
BATMAN BEYOND: STRIPPED
Book 3

Editor. Story. Linework: James Mclean
Assistant Editor. Colours. Letters: Kris Trigwell

[Arrakhat]

Whoa, what did Max see? I'm guessing it's Dana or any other of Crane's victims. Maybe even the good doctor himself. It appears all will be revealed soon, but I'm relying on you guys to throw a couple more twists for your fans.;)

[The Guitar Slayer]

Ooooo. Dr. Fate, yippee!!

Unlikely as it is, I think Max may be seeing or hearing what's going on in the cave. The commlink is still on, and Max probably is tech savvy enough to jury rig her suit before she left the cave so that she can see Bruce as well as him seeing her.

What's more likely is an army of zombies. Quasi-zombies? Possibly. Depends if Crane lobotomized anyone. Then again, I wouldn't put anything past the evil artist here, so I'm waiting for the next one.

[Mr. A]

Great art this strip (especially the last two panels)!!!

I'm glad to see that Barbara is back in action somewhat, however limited that might be. One of my favorite episodes of Beyond is "A Touch of Curare" where the second Commissioner Gordon shows she still has the old skills and training. Like the rest of the team, it seems, she isn't one to go quietly into the night.

Somehow it just strikes me as funny that Dick still calls Bruce "Old Man" even though they're both well over 50 :anime:. It's easy to imagine him doing it just to needle Bruce though. In the same way "Not if he's still breathing" feels like classic Wayne dialogue: the short and wry comeback the writers always managed so well.

Looking forward to Fate's "Big Reveal". Not sure about what part Jimmy has to play, but you guys always seem to make it work.

[Wing Zero]

Beautiful panels with the Dr.Fate glowing light. No idea what "Everything" means but obviously Bruce, or rather Batman is going to find out. Amusing little scene with between Dick and Max. Please let Max wander off into a bottomless pit through that door...hehe. Good job as always.

[James]

Ooooo. Dr. Fate, yippee!!

Not a welcome I'm sure he's used to hearing given his ominous and ostentatious appearances...


Whoa, what did Max see? I'm guessing it's Dana or any other of Crane's victims. Maybe even the good doctor himself. It appears all will be revealed soon, but I'm relying on you guys to throw a couple more twists for your fans.;)

Yes, the next strip takes the story to the next level, dramatically and narratively. I hope I've not overbuilt it up now.. >< Basically, next strip is important. In fact, it's a double sized strip.


Great art this strip (especially the last two panels)!!!


Danke.



I'm glad to see that Barbara is back in action somewhat, however limited that might be. One of my favorite episodes of Beyond is "A Touch of Curare" where the second Commissioner Gordon shows she still has the old skills and training. Like the rest of the team, it seems, she isn't one to go quietly into the night.


I agree. Barbara will have an active role in the following chapters, but don't expect her to slip into any tights or cape anytime soon.



Somehow it just strikes me as funny that Dick still calls Bruce "Old Man" even though they're both well over 50 :anime:. It's easy to imagine him doing it just to needle Bruce though. In the same way "Not if he's still breathing" feels like classic Wayne dialogue: the short and wry comeback the writers always managed so well.


I think "Old Man" was added by Kris. It's great to be able to get the narrative in place, knowing that the letterer has time to actually objectively find space in the bubbles to add some colour.


Looking forward to Fate's "Big Reveal". Not sure about what part Jimmy has to play, but you guys always seem to make it work.

Jimmy as some may recall heads the Le Fey Research foundation, set up after her incararation many years ago in the Metro Tower. They've been studying her power ever since, and with a personal edge to his fixation, Jimmy has quite a lot of motivation to help out in the battle against Le Fey.


Beautiful panels with the Dr.Fate glowing light. No idea what "Everything" means but obviously Bruce, or rather Batman is going to find out. Amusing little scene with between Dick and Max. Please let Max wander off into a bottomless pit through that door...hehe. Good job as always.

I don't think Kris would let me kill Max off so superfluously. He's a big Max fan and I'm sure I'd find the offending panel chopped at colouring stage. ;)

Nah, while I always disliked her USE in the show, as a character, she's quite palletable. If we can finish this story with readers feeling a little warmer to her, I think we'll have done the character a great service. Maybe she'll be viewed with a little less animosity when people watch her on DVD too - that would be a dream come true if we could give the reader a side to Max which carries over into their appreciation of the official canon. Could ask for anything better.

As for Everything... this will be pretty much ... everything. Stuff that has motiviated this plot from day one but you've just not been aware of.

[Reverend]

I don't think Kris would let me kill Max off so superfluously. He's a big Max fan and I'm sure I'd find the offending panel chopped at colouring stage. ;)

Nah, while I always disliked her USE in the show, as a character, she's quite palletable. If we can finish this story with readers feeling a little warmer to her, I think we'll have done the character a great service. Maybe she'll be viewed with a little less animosity when people watch her on DVD too - that would be a dream come true if we could give the reader a side to Max which carries over into their appreciation of the official canon. Could ask for anything better.

As for Everything... this will be pretty much ... everything. Stuff that has motiviated this plot from day one but you've just not been aware of.

Well worst case scenario I'd black out the death panel and replace it with a narrative box that reads "and then Max saved the universe and wore a big shinny hat! The End."
Seriously though, I've noticed her character gets picked on quite a bit, quite unfairly if you ask me. So yeah I do like to back the underdog, especially if she's responsible for one of my favourite character moments on the show. (see "Where's Terry")
For one thing, I think she's potentially a good candidate for the DCAU's Oracle, which she sort of was in our strip when she orchestrated Bruce's breakout. (my favourite part of the strip to date.)
Her strength is defiantly in the information technology/personnel co-ordination department so I would think her current stint in the suit is purely a temporary - desperate measure and if/when things calm down (assuming anyone survives) she won't be the "official" Batgirl Beyond.

[James]

Well worst case scenario I'd black out the death panel and replace it with a narrative box that reads "and then Max saved the universe and wore a big shinny hat! The End."

Damn, there goes my surprise twist.



Seriously though, I've noticed her character gets picked on quite a bit, quite unfairly if you ask me. So yeah I do like to back the underdog, especially if she's responsible for one of my favourite character moments on the show. (see "Where's Terry")

For me it was that her role seemed to be abused in almost Mary Sue way. She could replace virtually any secondary character. Bruce, Barbara, Dana , even his family seemed to be knocked back in favour of her replacing that plot requirement. I for one objected to this. Favourite secondary characters got less screen time and she nabbed their roles!


For one thing, I think she's potentially a good candidate for the DCAU's Oracle, which she sort of was in our strip when she orchestrated Bruce's breakout. (my favourite part of the strip to date.)

See that's Max's problem. When Bruce is "old" HE is the Oracle. By removing him from that role, it made sense to slip her in there in that capacity as it works for her, but usually, you don't need another Oracle in BB, and in the show, when Max did operate on the computer level it sort of shunted Bruce out of the picture.


Her strength is defiantly in the information technology/personnel co-ordination department so I would think her current stint in the suit is purely a temporary - desperate measure and if/when things calm down (assuming anyone survives) she won't be the "official" Batgirl Beyond.

I like to think few people can managed being a Batman. Unlike the current DC universe with Spoiler, Huntress, Azrael, Batgirl, Nighting, Robin, Batman etc all wearing and operating in similar roles in Gotham, I like the idea that even with a Bat suit it takes a certain something. It's a rare gift. That very something is what Terry had (genetically or otherwise). Will Max make good as a Batman? Wait and see.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

I love the artwork even though it gets too dark sometimes, :anime:
I wonder if the characters know about Supergirl?! :sad:

I'm hoping that Max and Bruce can get to the bottom of whatever is going on, by the end of the Batman Beyond Strip. :sweat:

[James]

I wonder if the characters know about Supergirl?! :sad:

They know they've lost contact but no more than that.


I'm hoping that Max and Bruce can get to the bottom of whatever is going on, by the end of the Batman Beyond Strip. :sweat:

So do I.

[Reverend]

Damn, there goes my surprise twist.

Mate, there's no way they all didn't see that coming a mile away, so I don't think I've actually spoiled anything. :p


For me it was that her role seemed to be abused in almost Mary Sue way. She could replace virtually any secondary character. Bruce, Barbara, Dana , even his family seemed to be knocked back in favour of her replacing that plot requirement. I for one objected to this. Favourite secondary characters got less screen time and she nabbed their roles!

See that's Max's problem. When Bruce is "old" HE is the Oracle. By removing him from that role, it made sense to slip her in there in that capacity as it works for her, but usually, you don't need another Oracle in BB, and in the show, when Max did operate on the computer level it sort of shunted Bruce out of the picture.

I see your point, I really do. All I can say is it never really bothered me. Bruce was a cool character to have around, but sometimes I think it was good to see how Terry managed without that safety net. As for the family & Dana, yeah it's unfortunate they got pushed off a bit, but really, there's only so many "oooooh they almost found me out" or "being a super hero is great but the hours suck" story lines you can do. Having Max around gave Terry a sidekick who could be the techy know-it-all that Bruce is, without actually knowing it all. Also if you consider that from what I've read certain parties were pushing the creators to incorperate a full on Batgirl Beyond/Huntress character, (which should have been Melenie, if anyone and end rather tragically) I think they used Max rather well. Like a carrot in front of a donkey they kept hinting that she might be the character they were asking for but all the while still having Bruce say "over my dead body".


I like to think few people can managed being a Batman. Unlike the current DC universe with Spoiler, Huntress, Azrael, Batgirl, Nighting, Robin, Batman etc all wearing and operating in similar roles in Gotham, I like the idea that even with a Bat suit it takes a certain something. It's a rare gift. That very something is what Terry had (genetically or otherwise). Will Max make good as a Batman? Wait and see.

More like a rare psychosis. Seriously, they're all emotionally scarred nutters.
Barb being a notable exception.

[James]

I see your point, I really do. All I can say is it never really bothered me. Bruce was a cool character to have around, but sometimes I think it was good to see how Terry managed without that safety net. As for the family & Dana, yeah it's unfortunate they got pushed off a bit, but really, there's only so many "oooooh they almost found me out" or "being a super hero is great but the hours suck" story lines you can do. Having Max around gave Terry a sidekick who could be the techy know-it-all that Bruce is, without actually knowing it all. Also if you consider that from what I've read certain parties were pushing the creators to incorperate a full on Batgirl Beyond/Huntress character, (which should have been Melenie, if anyone and end rather tragically) I think they used Max rather well. Like a carrot in front of a donkey they kept hinting that she might be the character they were asking for but all the while still having Bruce say "over my dead body".


Fair points, however I think when you do a show like BB, you have to be very conscious of where the key dynamics are. Now, I appreciate Max was - from what I've heard - one of the more active network pressures to change some of the shows flavour and demograph, but the key strength to BB was the Bruce and Terry relationship. Not because Bruce was BATMAN so it's cool to have him there, but on an episode by episode basis, their relationship was fascinating and involving. The excess use of Max got in the way of that and the support characters - and in a 25 min action cartoon, you don't have much space for them as it is. When Max is being used on all basis; digging up police info like Barb, working as Terry's sidekick like Bruce, working as his emotional support like Dana etc, it does weaken the colour of the universe itself.

Now I agree, Where's Terry? Is one of the strongest season 2 episodes because it finds a decent balance and dynamic between Max, Bruce and Terry. Had they moved the characters into that sort of interplay, maybe Max wouldn't be so fan blighted... pun aside.



More like a rare psychosis. Seriously, they're all emotionally scarred nutters.
Barb being a notable exception.

I always wished we'd been able to cover Barb's issues in DKA a little more. The Jim considering suicide thing in issue 14/15 pushed Barb into Batgirl; a subconscious need to find a way to support her father. The more successful she was as Batgirl, the less weight on her shoulders.. which was a neat way IMO to explain why she became so much more bouncy in TNBA... Well not an official canon psychosis, but in our universe she had her own wake to the call of the Bat...

[Kraven]

Batman Beyond: Stripped is one of the best online comics I've read!:D The art, though appearing intentionally grimaced,;) is great and... dark, for lack of a better term. I only wish that it could be updated a little more regularly, but I suppose schedules are being evil, no doubt.

I was, all things concerned, a little surprised to find the talkback thread on the DC Animated Forum. Shouldn't it be in the "Comic Book Culture" with the other comics? That's some ego you guys have to post it here.:p Don't deny it.;)

Also, doesn't the JLU episode "Far From Home" contradict your story's plot continuity? Supergirl never came back from the future!:eek: See, this is why huge egos equal big humiliations and embarrassments.:sweat: It was, obviously, a huge risk to assume that the writers of the DCAU would leave everything hunky dory for you.:sad: Too bad, I was actually considering your work to be canon. Now, I can't.

-Kraven

p.s. I still like this story, don't get me wrong.

[James]

Batman Beyond: Stripped is one of the best online comics I've read!:D The art, though appearing intentionally grimaced,;) is great and... dark, for lack of a better term. I only wish that it could be updated a little more regularly, but I suppose schedules are being evil, no doubt.


Okay, the reason it's not been updated, is that myself and Kris are working on a fairly relevant project for a client, and the deadline is short, so we haven't the time to do the Strip at the moment - as simple as that.

I'm looking at maybe getting a hand to letter and running the remains strip in black and white after the next one (as the next one makes a nice act finale). Basically, I want to get the strip out and done. Not because I hate it and want to rush, but because while it was a nice educational experience to work on at Uni, now I'm trying to work professionally, it does get in the way.

The same with the final issue - we're looking at running it in Black and White with a colour cover simply so we can get it out. My fear is the whole thing not finishing and leaving the story untold. So the priority will be to fire out the remains once we're in a better position to do so.



I was, all things concerned, a little surprised to find the talkback thread on the DC Animated Forum. Shouldn't it be in the "Comic Book Culture" with the other comics? That's some ego you guys have to post it here.:p Don't deny it.;)


The reason it's here is because it's a webcomic run and hosted by a website called The World's Finest.. and this is the World's Finest message board. It has nothing to do with Toon Zone. Occasionally we get permission for the TZ CBC mods to mirror a thread there, but because we have NO ego, we don't do it with the strip because we don't want to clutter another message board when people would like to be talking about REAL comics. :)

It's not ego. This is the DKA home - world's finest, so this is where the talkbacks go. We don't keep them stuck when we've not updated and we never use this forum to promote WF's bit of fan fun beyond a talkback - again, because we don't want to clutter up the board with non canon/official material. People come to read about OFFICIAL DCAU, so while Jim has always offered us space to throw more DKA here, we never have for that reason. That to me, would be egotistical.



Also, doesn't the JLU episode "Far From Home" contradict your story's plot continuity? Supergirl never came back from the future!:eek: See, this is why huge egos equal big humiliations and embarrassments.:sweat: It was, obviously, a huge risk to assume that the writers of the DCAU would leave everything hunky dory for you.:sad: Too bad, I was actually considering your work to be canon. Now, I can't.


You haven't read the whole story yet. Best not to throw presumptions up before it's finished. :) In fiction - fan or official - anythings possible. Of course, the dead Terry doesn't clunk up your canon either? I thought that was a tiny more relevant. This story was written before Far From Home aired. It was written over a year and a half ago - before Epilogue too. We do our best to keep it alongside 'canon'.. but we aren't here to try and pretend we're official, so our attempts only go so far.

As for the writers.. well, I hope they see it for what it is: homage and fun. I've had people make model toys of the characters from DKA, I've seen message boards where there are model sheets of the characters. I'm honoured that someone would go to such an effort - I hope the creators of the offical DCAU feel the same.

We never imply we're official, we make it clear on the website it's just fun and never meant to be taken seriously. It was never for anything but fun. As artists, neither myself nor Kris promote the work in our portfolios, it was just a bit of eductational experience and community fun while we were students that got amazingly popular.

It's dragged on longer than we intended, but we would hope that fans would have the common sense to see it's not official, it's never claimed to be and no more relevant than anything at fanfiction.net. IMO, if it causes people to talk about DCAU, that's cool. It promotes interest in animation, whether one wants to see it as canon or not.

[James]

The final parts of this recent act. Yes TWO strips. Read them in order by following the links below! Much explained!



http://wf.toonzone.net/DKA/previews/stripped%20promo.JPG
CLICK BELOW FOR THE BRAND NEW EPISODES (July 9)


http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/DKA/issues/strips/039.php
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/DKA/issues/strips/040.php

[SilverKnight]

>grabs a mop<

Time for the Tilex again, I see. :p

[Mr. A]

WOW...again!!! I never would have seen that coming but it fits both Terry the DCU (and DCAU) and the strip itself so well! It really is becoming apparent how carefully plotted and thought out this was (on the part of both the authors and Le Fey ;)). Enjoyable as always and I especially appreciate Dick earning respect and the title of "Detective". Now that all the cards are on the table I'm really looking forward to the final act.

[James]

It really is becoming apparent how carefully plotted and thought out this was (on the part of both the authors and Le Fey ;)).

Been in my head for over a year and a half waiting to get to this point. But yes, cards are now slapped down on the table. For those who have kept up, congrats. For those who are wiping the remains of their heads from the floor - best to read these with a plastic bag firmly pulled around your neck (and with some holes for your eyes and some holes to breathe - otherwise I'd be endorsing some silly form of suffocation that's far worse that splatterage).

Speaking of which, Maggie Rose - aka Silverknight - will be back with us helping on the lettering and maybe some colouring. Kris is busy on a side project the two of us are deadlining on as well as the DKA finale issue. He'll be around throwing script notes my way (if we were anything near professional he'd be labelled continuity editor) but SK will be doing the practical finishes for the next few chapters.


Enjoyable as always and I especially appreciate Dick earning respect and the title of "Detective".

That was a last minute call. Kris (as aforementioned continuity editor) felt that having Scarecrow announce his origin in my orginal script was a little out of character - and I agreed. We needed the info in there(a lot of which came from some discussions we had a year ago about Scarecrow's history post DKA issue 15) but we have SO LITTLE ROOM... so I suggested we had Dick fire off the origin and Scarecrow could verify them disgruntly with some throwback nostalgia like "well done detective..". Kris went off and rewrote Scarecrow's origin dialogue as Dick's as he lettered the strip. A little levity freshed up the scene. As Kris said, Scarecrow's not one for "ranting monolgues". So true.



Now that all the cards are on the table I'm really looking forward to the final act.

Hope it doesn't disappoint. Lots of storylines to tie as things get a little too epical for this tiny strip.

[The Flash]

Just incase anybody missed the links to the new eps (July 9).

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[James]

Just to clarify, yes, we are aware of a few typos in the strip and we are in the process of correcting them. Real lives and backlogs have created pressures on the team and some slip ups fell through. Happens sometimes.

We are aware of them and we're in the process of correcting the final couple. We hope it doesn't spoil the read and we're getting them sorted out today.

[Reverend]

My fault folks. I basically coloured and lettered both of these at work during breaks & quiet periods (mostly on my 10 hour saturday shift) so I was being constantly interrupted by phone calls and the like so a bunch of stuff slipped through as I didn't do a propper proof read. I've corrected the errors and tweaked things a little more and sent them off to Birdboy, so they should be updated soon...ish.

[Wing Zero]

Wow looks like I missed the last two strips. *looks them up*

HEY NOW. So that's what this has been about, at least everything is making sense....mostly. Freaky Scarecrow artwork and I did enjoy the detective line to Dick. Hot on the heels of Superman Returns, Terry returns(sort of) and it's good to see him back in the fold. The typos don't bother me much as I paid more attention to the strip than the the lettering :p

[adoptedBatpuppy]

I like the artwork! It is very spooky the way Spectre/Le Fey and Terry are all connected. Terry is a good detective, that's a very detailed description there! :sweat:

[James]

HEY NOW. So that's what this has been about, at least everything is making sense....mostly.


Yes there are some elements still to unfold, but the whole past 38 strips should take on a slightly new light on a reread.


Freaky Scarecrow artwork and I did enjoy the detective line to Dick. Hot on the heels of Superman Returns, Terry returns(sort of) and it's good to see him back in the fold.

Yah. Terry pops back as you've never seen him before. I was always surprised the Spectre never made a JLU appearance and glad too for my own selfish writing reasons!


The typos don't bother me much as I paid more attention to the strip than the the lettering :p

Lol. Same here. I was too busy reading it for plot cohesion when I got the proof from Kris so I failed in proof reading the type. As much my fault as in anyone elses in that sense.


I like the artwork! It is very spooky the way Spectre/Le Fey and Terry are all connected. Terry is a good detective, that's a very detailed description there! :sweat:

Actually it's the worst.drawing.I've.done in a long time. Thank god for a great colourist to make it look excellent. :)

Yes, lots of detail there - good to reread as we don't have much time from here to recap! Lots of info in those strips.

[Arrakhat]

Good stuff. Scarecrow is a plant person, Terry is back, Le Fey is after Terry/Spectre... My head's about ready to explode. Pretty darn interesting. Seems to me like we need an all powerful magical climax to top it off. ;)

[James]

Good stuff. Scarecrow is a plant person, Terry is back, Le Fey is after Terry/Spectre... My head's about ready to explode.

Yes a lot of plotlines. Probably too much for a news strip. If you can keep up - awesome. Any questions I'm sure I can find time to answer.



Pretty darn interesting. Seems to me like we need an all powerful magical climax to top it off. ;)

I'm aiming for something fairly epical, I must confess.

[Reverend]

Good stuff. Scarecrow is a plant person, Terry is back, Le Fey is after Terry/Spectre... My head's about ready to explode. Pretty darn interesting. Seems to me like we need an all powerful magical climax to top it off. ;)

There's actually a WHOLE backstory in the Scarecrow bit alone that we can only touch on in the strip. You get the jist of it from what Dick rattles off, but I had the idea that of a deeper and slightly more twisted story of a romance between Ivy and Scarecrow. We never worked out the details but I think James wanted him to end up killing her and I wanted him to keep with him a rose with a freaky pod-person looking thing in the stem. The implication being that it's either a new embryonic Ivy or - slightly more sick- it's their offspring.
And people think we're just making it up as we go along. ;)

[James]

We never worked out the details but I think James wanted him to end up killing her and I wanted him to keep with him a rose with a freaky pod-person looking thing in the stem.

There we go with more needless accusations about me resolving every plot story by randomly killing someone.

At first I was angry at Reverend for such a comment, until I remembered he was indeed correct. I did intend to kill her.

I don't recall whether an early draft got to him or not, but the original dialogue for Scarecrow did imply that for his gift of, erm, plant - he gave her his greatest gift - you guessed it, the gift of fear.

Yes, it makes no sense, but I never really imagined these villains were that inventive in justifying how they pulled you into their idiom. He was to say something that inferred he fed off her fear for years. Something very horrible. I liked the idea of these two bizarre characters getting close - as Kris suggested - and then Scarecrow just doing something totally predictable as using her for his own addiction. It seemed so stupid, nasty and twisted, it worked for me. However, it didn't work in the dialogue and with no flashback space I think I dropped it early on.

To be honest, I could have very much gone with him killing her, spending years feeding offer her fear while she remains hooked up to a machine, and yet still having this romantic notion of the rose; as if he did truly feel this was a gift or honour; an act of love to feed from her fear. It just really took Scarecrow to a new level of psycho.

So while I doubt we'll delve into the history, in my mind, that's sort of what happened. I did intend to illustrate a Rose in a jar somewhere in the lair, but it got lost in time. Hell, maybe I'll find a place to drop one in...

And just to clarify - as I don't think I have it scripted, the REASON he wants to be plant isn't just for strength, but durability. We were thinking of those great old trees who have lasted for hundreds of years, and that planet element is what Scarecrow wanted; so he could indeed live a parasitical lifetime sucking of hosts, addicted to an emotional stimulation he drags from others.


The implication being that it's either a new embryonic Ivy or - slightly more sick- it's their offspring.

Yeah, I forgot about that. You know, that Rose and pod is going to HAVE to be CG'd in.



And people think we're just making it up as we go along. ;)

No our lives are far too sad to anything as cool as that.

[SilverKnight]

No our lives are far too sad to anything as cool as that.Hrmph. I've been saying that for years--and now you agree? :p

[Reverend]

We have lives now?
That's what I get for missing staff meetings.

[Bird Boy]

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[Arrakhat]

Well it looks like the fight is under way. Love Dick's non-caring "Well what do you know..." when he sees Terry. I guess he's read so many DC comics he saw that twist coming.;)

[James]

Well it looks like the fight is under way. Love Dick's non-caring "Well what do you know..." when he sees Terry. I guess he's read so many DC comics he saw that twist coming.;)

I think that was a small addition by our current guest colourist/letterer/original writer of DKA, Maggie Rose. Seems she bestowed some of her eye twitching opinion of the strip onto dear old Dick, the darling.

Kris is still busy on some personal stuff, but it's worth mentioning he too had a bit of script rewrite on this one too. There, everyone gets their required kudos. :)

[adoptedBatpuppy]

Wait a minute, why are there 2 Batmen?
Since when does Terry becomes evil minion?
Otherwise it's a really quick read.
I think I need to go back and read previous panels. :eek:

[James]

Wait a minute, why are there 2 Batmen?

There has been three Batmen for the last 10 strips or so.
Batman one: Kara
Batman two: Dick Grayson
Batman three: Max

Currently Dick and Max have gone after Dana Tan while Kara is MIA. Read back from number 33 or so to get the low down.



Since when does Terry becomes evil minion?


He's not an evil minion per se. He's something bigger. More about The Spectre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectre_%28comics%29)


Otherwise it's a really quick read.
I think I need to go back and read previous panels. :eek:

Yah. Sometimes they run fast, sometimes they run slow. Depends on the needs of the strip. We've just had a lot of text, this was about action moving the story along. Le Fey out in the city screaming her head off and the appearance then disappearance of The Spectre/Terry McGinnis.

[Wing Zero]

Spectre vs. Le Fey: *In Michael Buffer voice* For the thousands in attendance, and the millions reading around the world, ladies and gentlemen..........lllllllet's get ready to Rumbllllle!

So cheesy I know but that is the first thing that ran through my mind when I saw Le Fey appear. A short but sweet strip from the DKA co.

[Reverend]

Ok, this feels weird. If it wasn't for the grainy texture I'd almost think I coloured that. Either I've been unconsiously channeling Maggie the last two years or she's freakishly good and adapting my style.
*somone-walking-over-grave-shudder*

[SilverKnight]

Hey, if you're gonna steal, steal from something good.

[Mr. A]

I think what I like best about Terry being the Spectre is that, for me, it harkens back to the idea that the Spectre presence was a heavy burden, almost a punishment, and that the host was almost an antihero - sort of like the John Constantine not quite worthy of Heaven, undeserving of Hell concept - forced to become the agent of judgement to atone for their own sins.

Terry is such a great fit for this mold. Of all the DCAU heroes he always seemed to have what was the closest to a real dark side, almost a dangerousness that the writers liked to play with in episodes like Rebirth, Ascension and Epilogue as well as the allusions to the trouble with the law he had in his past (even if the reveal of what the trouble was felt kind of anticlimactic). He struggled with being a hero.

Even Terry's Batman voice had a sinister, almost cruel edge to it at times. While Kevin Conroy is a master voice actor (almost inarguably the best the DCAU has ever had), surprisingly it was Will Friedle, the goofy brother from "Boy Meets World" who creeped me out at times.

Like my buddy Dick Grayson (I had to include him somewhere in one of my posts :)), at times McGinnis came off as a jerk, but he was always a noble one. The idea that this future Batman was attempting to redeem himself as well as his city was, I felt, the strongest aspect of the character. DKA did a great job with this especially in issue #12.

That's why the Spectre feels like such a perfect fit for Terry as it reconciles his darkness with his better angels. Even better, (if it sticks ;)) it provides a satisfying conclusion to the character, something that seems notoriously difficult in superhero stories, as Terry is now able to redeem himself on a cosmic scale.

Anyway, as my rambling post comes to a close I'd just like to say thank you to all of the talented people involved with DKA, for coming up with such a great combination of story and art, one that has kept me captivated from start to what will soon be the finish. I can't wait to see how the final issue turns out (You mentioned an initial black and white version at one point with a color one to come when time permits, an idea, I think, that would be awesome) and Stripped is every bit as good as the any of the animated serieses ever were.

Thanks Again!
Mr. A

[James]

I think what I like best about Terry being the Spectre is that, for me, it harkens back to the idea that the Spectre presence was a heavy burden, almost a punishment, and that the host was almost an antihero - sort of like the John Constantine not quite worthy of Heaven, undeserving of Hell concept - forced to become the agent of judgement to atone for their own sins.

I always felt there was a lot of characteristics in the role of any Batman that would sort of ally itself to the Spectre. They are by no means the same, but it seemed an interesting dovetail. Of course, it's the ultimate deux ex machina, but a story about Terry's death needed something a little larger than life to really give it some worth. If we had got this far and we had never seen Terry again, I think the story would have felt a little vacuous.


Terry is such a great fit for this mold. Of all the DCAU heroes he always seemed to have what was the closest to a real dark side, almost a dangerousness that the writers liked to play with in episodes like Rebirth, Ascension and Epilogue as well as the allusions to the trouble with the law he had in his past (even if the reveal of what the trouble was felt kind of anticlimactic). He struggled with being a hero.


Absolutely. There are some hints in some earlier strips that flashback to his death about his state of mind. It's not pure and controlled like Wayne. He's not that sort of Batman. There a rawness to McGinnis that makes him such a fascinating pawn in this game.


Like my buddy Dick Grayson (I had to include him somewhere in one of my posts :)), at times McGinnis came off as a jerk, but he was always a noble one. The idea that this future Batman was attempting to redeem himself as well as his city was, I felt, the strongest aspect of the character. DKA did a great job with this especially in issue #12.


DKA was always constructed to be a darker, maybe flawed, version of DCAU. Terry's death to me always seemed better as a personal one rather than one caught in the standard hero cliche. He never seemed quite the hero type in many ways, and I felt that while his death wasn't "saving the city" it had the courage of a hero and the humanity of a person. Well, that was the plan. That's why I was never sure about doing this strip. I'm hoping the strip doesn't ruin that story!


I can't wait to see how the final issue turns out (You mentioned an initial black and white version at one point with a color one to come when time permits, an idea, I think, that would be awesome) and Stripped is every bit as good as the any of the animated serieses ever were.


Actually Kris has decided to colour the final issue, so he's doing just that. The cover is almost done and I must admit, being done in the middle of commissions, I think the art needs a little colour for it to stand up with the other issues, so I'm glad he's doing the colour. We'll be pressing on with the Strip. Again, real life has kept us all back!



Thanks Again!
Mr. A

Thank you for the kind and fascinating insight!

[James]

Some info:

Strip will becoming a little more regular for a bit. Kris and myself have put together the next two strips. The third is to be coloured, and the forth and fifth are also completed, so we should be back to weekly strips again.

The final issue is still be completed. Kris is colouring the whole image so it's delayed a little, but we have at least 3 pinup images, a cover by Matt Spaull and our old founder Ian Moore and probably a commentary track about the issue and DKA, that pretty much responds to all the questions we've had about the comic and specifically, making a webcomic. Can't guarantee it will offer anything bona fide in relevancy, but it seems a bit of fun that the occasion of a finale shouldn't be without. Might even be an easter montage video in there somewhere, who knows...

Next strip should be up when Bird Boy puts it there.

[James]

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Definately weekly for the next 10 strips or so!

[Mr. A]

ARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGH!!!!!!!

I knew it was only a matter of time!
I knew it! I knew it!

Khhhhannnnnnnn!!!!

(grumble, grumble, grumble)

...
...
...

Once again, excellent work guys :D, there's a really nice, nightmarish feel to the art in the second half of the strip.

Here's to hoping you like Rocky movies, because someone's going to need a heroic comeback after this installment. Or at least a clever set of last words...:sweat:

[James]

ARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGH!!!!!!!

I knew it was only a matter of time!
I knew it! I knew it!

Khhhhannnnnnnn!!!!

(grumble, grumble, grumble)


Interesting reaction. As I said, we have a backlog of completed strip so the next one will DEFINATELY be this weekend!


Once again, excellent work guys :D, there's a really nice, nightmarish feel to the art in the second half of the strip.


This was the first strip that was coloured by myself as well as Kris. I did the basics, and he came and finished it off with some nice effects and lighting.



Here's to hoping you like Rocky movies, because someone's going to need a heroic comeback after this installment. Or at least a clever set of last words...:sweat:

Have to see next week. We'll do our best to stay ahead of the game now as the story suffers with these delays.

[Arrakhat]

Figures. I love Terry and the series revolves around his death. I like Dick, and he's not doing to hot either. Scarecrow's one of my favorite villains, so I guess you'll kill him soon too, huh?:crying: ;)

Anyway, I love the horrific hit Dick takes before his heart goes bad, and Scarecrow's reaction was great too. In the last panel, is some of that red stuff in Dick's mouth his toung, or is he bleeding worse than I thought?:ack:

[Wing Zero]

Poor Dick, even his heart attack is under the shadow of Bruce's.

[James]

Well we did mention that Dick wasn't too hot back in an earlier strip in some dialogue between Max and Dick in the Batsuits. Yes that is blood in his mouth.

Well Scarecrow didn't get much chance to be particularly formidable in DKA, so it's nice to give him some decent airtime, even if he's suddenly been proved to not be the focus antagonist of the piece.

Another strip this Saturday. In fact, I think I'll send it to BB now so it can be on schedule!

[Reverend]

Poor Dick, even his heart attack is under the shadow of Bruce's.

Well at least Dick's heart attack was nastier, with all the wholesome sticky fluids that James loves so much.

[James]

Well at least Dick's heart attack was nastier, with all the wholesome sticky fluids that James loves so much.

He had just suffered several attacks from gigantic insane biomutagenic beastie. And he's a little older than Bruce was. And I do love frothy blood. Oh, and sliced open masks. A trademark (or lazy point of repetition) of my stories.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

Oh you have killed Dick, why? :( Is the monster he was fighitng a Scarecrow? That monster doesn't look like him at all! :eek:
Dana looks like herself though.
That was somewhat gross with the blood and all, although nicely colored and the text was visible! :)
Who's next on your list?

[James]

Is the monster he was fighitng a Scarecrow? That monster doesn't look like him at all! :eek:


He's given himself some Ivy pep pills. He's more wood and plant than human now. Trees can have a long life span. They also have nice crusty bark. Scarecrow felt that being made of plant bits would extend his life. Crafty bugger.


Who's next on your list?

Birdboy.

[Arrakhat]

Well we did mention that Dick wasn't too hot back in an earlier strip in some dialogue between Max and Dick in the Batsuits. Yes that is blood in his mouth.

Well Scarecrow didn't get much chance to be particularly formidable in DKA, so it's nice to give him some decent airtime, even if he's suddenly been proved to not be the focus antagonist of the piece.

Another strip this Saturday. In fact, I think I'll send it to BB now so it can be on schedule!
Dang, then Dick sure isn't looking too hot. On the other hand, Scarecrow hasn't looked better, except that on shot of him on his throne way back when. I really like how inhuman he's become.

So, any plans on offing Max, or are you gonna let one of the new Batcrew members live? Or will tons of this stuff get messed with later, restoring our lost JL and Kara? With Le Fey and Spectre/Terry due for a showdown, it seems reality (and your strip) is about to burst at the seams. Which reminds me, good job on makig something so small as Scarecrow having Dana with him matter in the scope of such a large impending disaster.

[James]

Dang, then Dick sure isn't looking too hot. On the other hand, Scarecrow hasn't looked better, except that on shot of him on his throne way back when. I really like how inhuman he's become.


Batman Beyond is about evolution of character (largely), so Scarecrow had to become something, and it was cool to have him not become a mighty threat, but something more sinister. A bogeyman almost - the ultimate fear, the thing in your closet. Feeding off the fear like an addiction in hidden boltholds across the world. He'd have spent decades off the radar (ever since DKA 15 actually) simply living off fear like a vampire. Seemed a logical process for a man who loves fear: once he found a way to refine it into a true kick, what's the point in the theatrics? Get yourself a solid endurable body and knock around for a few decades in the shadows indulging in secret.

There was in an earlier draft a totally different sequences of events here. Le Fey's hit on the building (as seen in strip 41) would have created an overload in Scarecrow's scarechamber, activating the security defenses. As Max got Dana out, the whole chamber would have locked down.. with an overloading reactor.

Scarecrow and Dick would have stopped fighting, and Dick would find out that the doors were totally resistant to his bat devices (Scarecrow was to explain that this place was design to keep the Bat out - thanks to E.Nygma Enterprises top of the range security.

Scarecrow would have been shocked as Dick would have sat on the floor and realised that Dick had no interest in escaping. Dick would have faked a message there and then to Max saying he was safe and Bruce wanted her to go to the GCPD. Scarecrow would have got a little scared at this point, fearing death itself and yet at the same time getting a little excited by the whole sensation. Dick would have laughed and offered a non-sensical word. Crane, now enjoying the kick would have asked what it was. Dick would have explained it was one of Starfire's favourite terms for an occasion like this. It translates as F-

And the building would have exploded with Max outside thinking Dick escaped.

Would Dick be dead? Doesn't matter as that ain't going to happen no more. Simply for the time and a reshuffle in pace I dropped it. It was fun, but ultimately too long and time consuming. Not in itself really, but the change around allowed me to move some other pieces around the board and cut some other more superfluous scenes.

Dem der breaks.



So, any plans on offing Max, or are you gonna let one of the new Batcrew members live? Or will tons of this stuff get messed with later, restoring our lost JL and Kara? With Le Fey and Spectre/Terry due for a showdown, it seems reality (and your strip) is about to burst at the seams. Which reminds me, good job on makig something so small as Scarecrow having Dana with him matter in the scope of such a large impending disaster.

There is a montage of future events, storyboarded into a motion sequence I've done. I might ask BB to put it up. Might be some fun. Give some hints. It was just my attempt to mess with Imovie, but it worked fairly well.

Will Max be offed? Who knows. Le Fey predicted "The Batman will Die". The whole story is set up to give multiple possibilites. Terry, Dick, Max, Kara, Bruce.. all in some respects "The Batman"... And who knows, being that Batman could be plural, there's no reason to assume just one might be offed... hmmm.

Will Le Fey meet the Spectre? It would be a poor show if there wasn't a meeting of minds on that one.

Glad you liked the Dana thang. Poor girl doesn't get any piece. Coma post ROTJ, whisked off to become the drug for a junkie piece of wood. Can things get worse for her? Have a guess...

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[Arrakhat]

Dang. This is like, some kind of psycho zombie plant-man Scarecrow. And it works for him. The batarang sticking out of his face doesn't hurt his overall creepiness either.

SO with Gotham ablaze, I'm guessing that Bruce and the others aren't doing to hot (no pun intended).

It's really amazing how much this strip has evolved. It still amazes me that this began with Batman fighting Dick and Kara over a missing Terry, and now we're on the brink of apocalypse. Talk about your bad days.

[Magmafire2374]

Excellent story. I've gone back to re-read all the previous strips leading up to this one and the whole story is just amazing. I liked how Dick faked the heart attack to batarang Scarcrow in the face. The story is getting a little too dark though. Hopefully some cheeriness is on the way? :D

[James]

Dang. This is like, some kind of psycho zombie plant-man Scarecrow. And it works for him. The batarang sticking out of his face doesn't hurt his overall creepiness either.

I think it looks rather sexy.



SO with Gotham ablaze, I'm guessing that Bruce and the others aren't doing to hot (no pun intended).


From next week we'll be offering some insight to what is happening to the city and the other heroes.



It's really amazing how much this strip has evolved. It still amazes me that this began with Batman fighting Dick and Kara over a missing Terry, and now we're on the brink of apocalypse. Talk about your bad days.

Naturally there was a worry it would change too much, but with weekly strips you need to find ways of keeping it fresh, make it less one story, but a collection of several.

[James]

Excellent story. I've gone back to re-read all the previous strips leading up to this one and the whole story is just amazing. I liked how Dick faked the heart attack to batarang Scarcrow in the face. The story is getting a little too dark though. Hopefully some cheeriness is on the way? :D

There is a change of vibe coming up, not exactly humour yet, but we're keen to keep shifting tone to make sure it doesn't get too down..

[Wing Zero]

I don't know why, but it's really good to see a batarang again, even though it's covered in plant goo. Psst! Dick your secret identity is becoming compromised, you may need to go find a paper bag and put it over your head...don't forget the eye holes! Curious, do his rocket boots still work? Or maybe I'll find out next strip.

I just noticed something funny, in the panel where Dick yells catch, the folded up cowl on top of his head resembles a pointy hat and his face looks a little freaky with the shadowing. If you use a bit of your imagination, Dick kinda looks like a scarecrow...:D

[James]

I don't know why, but it's really good to see a batarang again, even though it's covered in plant goo. Psst! Dick your secret identity is becoming compromised, you may need to go find a paper bag and put it over your head...don't forget the eye holes! Curious, do his rocket boots still work? Or maybe I'll find out next strip.

Well, I figure when you are watching your world head straight towards another apocalypse, with no Justice League, no Batman and a load of aging retired vets standing between a rock and a hard place, the last thing you'd really care about is your cowl...



I just noticed something funny, in the panel where Dick yells catch, the folded up cowl on top of his head resembles a pointy hat and his face looks a little freaky with the shadowing. If you use a bit of your imagination, Dick kinda looks like a scarecrow...:D

Yes, that was the intention.. :sweat: Seriously, that's really cool. I wish I could steal that and retrospectively declare the idea as mine. Well I will anyway. Yes that was the plan.

We needed to get the cowl of Dick just because while it's fun to have the batsuits, we need some character expression now. Besides, while he is playing Batman, he's not Batman - he's Dick Grayson. :)

A piece that was dropped in the final stages was a remark by Dick to Scarecrow that justified the blood in the previous strip: Dick bit down on a broken tooth that had resulted from Scarecrow's attack, splitting the gum and creating the blood to make the act seem more "real". A vaguely irrelevant and certain gross little detail I thought I'd share.

[Arrakhat]

I think it looks rather sexy.
:lol: Well to each their own, but I was never a plant lover myself. Oh, and I love that nasty little tidbit about Dick's tooth and bleeding mouth. Those are the details we love to hear. Sickeningly cool.:cool:

[James]

:lol: Well to each their own, but I was never a plant lover myself. Oh, and I love that nasty little tidbit about Dick's tooth and bleeding mouth. Those are the details we love to hear. Sickeningly cool.:cool:

It was Kris' choice to remove the detail and it did jar a little in the dialogue space we had so it was a wise move. After all, when you are making a surprise return attack, how often to you go into the specifics of your plan - is the other guy just going to stand there and let you explain? Maybe okay for a meglomaniac, but not for Mr Grayson.

But beyond being gross, it was to show that Dick isn't just an old man. He's still cunning, he's still pretty tough and most importantly, he's still trouble!

[Wing Zero]

A piece that was dropped in the final stages was a remark by Dick to Scarecrow that justified the blood in the previous strip: Dick bit down on a broken tooth that had resulted from Scarecrow's attack, splitting the gum and creating the blood to make the act seem more "real". A vaguely irrelevant and certain gross little detail I thought I'd share.

You and your frothy blood details, although it'd be kind of amusing just having crane sitting down in a panel listening to his explanation...maybe put a little "Zzzz" bubble over him.

[James]

You and your frothy blood details, although it'd be kind of amusing just having crane sitting down in a panel listening to his explanation...maybe put a little "Zzzz" bubble over him.

It would have been good to have had him say "Yes, and while you were busy gloating over your plans to force a batarang in my eye, I've gone and killed your friends and started a small shopping network. A-ha!"

In some respects, being an old man, I'm suprised Dick didn't start waffling on about his plan, problems with kids these days and just what he did during the war of '09 you pesky whippersnapper...

[Magmafire2374]

What's next for you guys after you finish DKA and the BB strips in terms of doing another DCAU project? I love the work you guys do!

I think Curare is an interesting character that I would like to see you guys tackle in one of your stories. ;)

I'm looking forward to the next BB strip! :anime:

[James]

After this, who knows? Myself and Kris have just finished some work for a French publication that's not DCAU and we have talked about working together on a project of mine that DKA keeps pushing back, but we don't have any plans to do any more fan stuff per se.

If there are any publishers who want to risk giving us a rein, then you know where we are, but in all honesty, I'd imagine our venture into DCAU will finish at the end of the news strip (as the final DKA issue will be out before the strip finishes - which is good, because it means we'll end in the far future, and that seems a better place to close).

[Reverend]

Personally I plan on having my right arm replaced with a cybernetic prosthetic. Colouring on the laptop with that tiny little wireless mouse is murder on the joints.

Workwise, no plans as such. I'm not academically qualified so I'm not in a position to whore myself out to publishers and the like, so it's back to hobby work for me. That is after I help out James with his other project, joining up lines and whatnot.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

Wow! That was amazing, I loved every panel. :D
Can't wait for the conlusion, hurry it up already! ;)

[James]

Wow! That was amazing, I loved every panel. :D
Can't wait for the conlusion, hurry it up already! ;)

One a week at the moment. So a new one in a couple of days. We should be able to maintain this pace for a while as we're actually ahead of ourselves by a month or so. Fingers crossed! Glad you like.

[Reverend]

Strip #44 has been finished and sent off to James, so it should be posted here shortly. 45 & 46 are already in the bag so we're good until at least the end of the month.

On a related note, work on the final issue is progressing a little more quickly now. No ETA as of yet but it shouldn't be too long!

[adoptedBatpuppy]

:D Yay! That was very fast, I hope the next strip as good as it sounds!

[James]

:D Yay! That was very fast, I hope the next strip as good as it sounds!

Pending the untested Monday efficency of Bird Boy, should be up tonight.

[Bird Boy]

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[Wing Zero]

Like the creepy face of Le Fey there and I'm glad she's back in the picture. Thumbs up on the new banner too, its so much more lively. That building on the left she's tearing apart reminds me of a glove box, those silly architects of the future, they've lost all sense of building design principles ;)

[Mr. A]

I'm really enjoying the characterization of "Nightwing Beyond" especially how the bold and boastful laughing Boy Wonder's humor has evolved into the bitter, sardonic version he relies on now. I think my favorite line in the whole strip is when the elderly Dick Grayson informs an in-his-prime Bruce Wayne that "Barbara thinks I might be able to knock some sense into you". There's just the right amount of arrogance and humor and resentment.

In the same vein the scene where Dick reveals his ruse to the Scarecrow is equally great, especially the huge, creepy smile.

Your alternate scenario where Grayson and Crane are trapped together in the exploding building sounds absolutely fascinating. I understand why you went with the alternative but...wow... that would have been such an iconic ending for Dick, especially in light of the out-of-control, death-wish-having, character from the early part of DKA. It would have been especially neat to see him at a stage where he's matured enough that he's no longer afraid of, and indeed almost welcomes death.
If you saved any of the actual scripts (that is if you ever created/completed any ;) ) for the proposed sequence, I'm sure that we all would be enormousy grateful if you posted them at some point.

Also the Scarecow is still in the background, huh? My vote is that Dick finish the job of bringing him in/taking him out...even if it means his death.
*sigh*
I guess Max can help if she has to... ;)

It's been fun rereading the old episodes of Stripped and finding little hidden hints and such but I still have one question about the strip that's been nagging me: (albeit one that might have been answered already and I forgot) Who is the man who Morganna resurrects only to destroy in the episode where she's rewriting history. I feel like I should know who he is but can't place it... my first thought was Terry's dad, Warren but the details don't seem to quite fit...

Finally, yet another mention of how Terry "is not the the host it was destined for"...
Hurmmmm.....
Is that my foreshadowing sense tingling?

[James]

Like the creepy face of Le Fey there and I'm glad she's back in the picture. Thumbs up on the new banner too, its so much more lively. That building on the left she's tearing apart reminds me of a glove box, those silly architects of the future, they've lost all sense of building design principles ;)

Thank Kris for the banner (for it was he who did the last one too - it was a nice surprise. Yes. Silly architects at future McLean Building Enterprises. What was he and his men thinking?


I'm really enjoying the characterization of "Nightwing Beyond" especially how the bold and boastful laughing Boy Wonder's humor has evolved into the bitter, sardonic version he relies on now. I think my favorite line in the whole strip is when the elderly Dick Grayson informs an in-his-prime Bruce Wayne that "Barbara thinks I might be able to knock some sense into you". There's just the right amount of arrogance and humor and resentment.

There have been at least FOUR different versions of Nightwing's bitter future I've scripted and we've vetoed as a team or as myself. Maybe we'll explain some of them sometime, or if we get bored maybe we will tell one in the future after DKA is done. There are even a couple of little elements woven into the Strip that sets up the bitter history if I decide to tell it in the way I wanted. I do have an idea of what happened to Dick that has elements of all four versions, but again, whether we get to tell it or not, I'm not sure. The final issue of DKA brushes on the issue too.

I must confess, I've lightened Dick up a great deal from what I initially planned for this tale - particularly as I decided to alter his backstory and thereby taking a whole wedge of bitterness from him.

At this point, all I can say is that his life hasn't been easy, that much fun and rather lonely.



In the same vein the scene where Dick reveals his ruse to the Scarecrow is equally great, especially the huge, creepy smile.


I always felt as Dick got older, a little wiser and more comfortable with who he now was (no longer that positive and dynamic Bird Boy, but a darker extension of his Nightwing persona and maybe Bruce himself), there would be a darker side to him.



Your alternate scenario where Grayson and Crane are trapped together in the exploding building sounds absolutely fascinating. I understand why you went with the alternative but...wow... that would have been such an iconic ending for Dick, especially in light of the out-of-control, death-wish-having, character from the early part of DKA. It would have been especially neat to see him at a stage where he's matured enough that he's no longer afraid of, and indeed almost welcomes death.


Yes, I was sad to drop it. I liked the idea of this whole building starting to glow as it builds to critical, with Dick and Crane sitting on the floor, both accepting their fate in different ways. Plus Dick would have completed his mission to save Dana, so it sort of worked quite nicely for me, with an option if I wanted to bring him back again woven in (somewhere..). But yes, I needed to shorten some other scenes.

In fact, I can just mention that now you've read this strip. Originally, we'd have focused on Dana and Max making their way through a city being attacked by Le Fey. To Max's horror, she'd have spotted a potential disaster. A building coming down on school bus of kids. She'd have made a grumbly comment on how schools always arrange outings on days scheduled for Armageddon and moved between the building that was collapsing to be wedged holding a whole load of wall up - with several pieces of the metal ripping through her suit and body, sort of nailing her to the spot as she uses her suit's power to hold up the wall from crushing her and the school bus.

Dana, is a sort of daze would be forced to evacuate the kids, but the question that would have remained, would be, could Max get out before the power from the suit wore out? And of course, Le Fey would make things more difficult....

But yes, because this scene would have built up a central staging for the story (bringing some of the other characters to the same place) yet would have gone on SO long, I dropped it, and brought Max and Dana directly to Le Fey and put them in more story relevant danger. Of course, this means that you need to shift the other story evens around now you no longer have that tale and one element that went out of the window was Dick's explosive finale. For one, I needed a character to see the destruction of Gotham and comment on it, Dick worked nicely as the audiences sudden perspective of what Le Fey had been doing to the city while we'd been in Scarecrow's lair. It also meant as I had ripped out around 10 strips of plot, we could expand a little more on Scarecrow's strength rather than bring his end in the tale to a rather abrupt end.



If you saved any of the actual scripts (that is if you ever created/completed any ;) ) for the proposed sequence, I'm sure that we all would be enormousy grateful if you posted them at some point.


Yes, there are some. I'll dig them out for this thread sometime. Certainly I have some slight alternates to the original versions of the upcoming scripts.


Also the Scarecow is still in the background, huh? My vote is that Dick finish the job of bringing him in/taking him out...even if it means his death.
*sigh*
I guess Max can help if she has to... ;)

Max is a little busy right now to help..



It's been fun rereading the old episodes of Stripped and finding little hidden hints and such but I still have one question about the strip that's been nagging me: (albeit one that might have been answered already and I forgot) Who is the man who Morganna resurrects only to destroy in the episode where she's rewriting history. I feel like I should know who he is but can't place it... my first thought was Terry's dad, Warren but the details don't seem to quite fit...


There are a load of little hints through the story (one that Kris added which I was rather concerned about in regards to the Terry's existence as the Spectre, but he was proved right - it didn't give away who Terry was to be revealed to be). That one scene, the guy is no one, simply a guy from Gotham who Le Fey toys with his very existence just for the fun of it. The next panel was a slight set up for something else.. but no, not that one. :)


Finally, yet another mention of how Terry "is not the the host it was destined for"...
Hurmmmm.....
Is that my foreshadowing sense tingling?

Well, one of things that Le Fey pointed out in this episode is that she's been manipulating history through her own heightened powers to create events that would shift the Spectre to pick an unsuitable host she could then manipulate. She's a smart cookie that one.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

Very Bright colors in this strip! :D I love the new advertising banner, it has almost everybody from the story! Is Morgaine Le Fey destroying the city just to her enjoyment, or from spectre. What host does she need from Terry and his loved ones?

[Magmafire2374]

The suspense is building! The city is ablaze with Morgan calling out the Spectre. Dick is duking it out with the Scarecrow. Bruce, Dana, and Max are all in danger. Just awesome!

I can't help but wonder whether or not Dr. Fate or Etrgian/Jason Blood will have some major role near the end of the strip's story, or perhaps even Klarion, since it's possible that all 3 would still be around during the BB era.

Great story. I'm definately looking forward to the next strip!

[James]

Is Morgaine Le Fey destroying the city just to her enjoyment, or from spectre. What host does she need from Terry and his loved ones?

A little of both. To me, it was vital to make Morgaine a little more than a one dimensional villain. She is at this point in her life, virtually a god, but there is the "mortal aspect". She is clearly playing games and trying to get satisfaction out of her powers. But like when you play a computer game with the "infinite cheats" switched on, you get bored. You toy. You don't do things directly, because you don't have to. So this is the way Morgaine has chosen to bring the Spectre out; by causing such devastation, a city would cry out for vengeance and thereby the Spectre - plus it amuses her and she NEEDS to be amused. But she has that mortal impatience too - again, very mortal. You wait for decades planning in the depths of Metrotower and when you get close to the end you are driven by impatience - so she's played another card.

Using Bruce Wayne to locate Terry/Spectre via his close connection to the boy was another "game". Probably was another way she could have found the Spectre (hell, she could have laid waste to the whole world and see if that pissed the Hand of God off), but again, it's part of the game. Part of her desperate attempt to remain... interested in life.

She's using Bruce, Max and Dana as "bait" for the human side of The Spectre. It seems the immortal side is aware of her attempts to draw it out by destroying Metropolis and Gotham, and is further aware that Terry is an imperfect host - as Le Fey says. So she's moved to more "drastic methods". Rather than attack unknown thousands, how about causing pain to the three the human side of the Spectre loves. Who better than Bruce, Max and Dana - Father figure, Best Friend, Lover?

[James]

I can't help but wonder whether or not Dr. Fate or Etrgian/Jason Blood will have some major role near the end of the strip's story, or perhaps even Klarion, since it's possible that all 3 would still be around during the BB era.


Dr Fate? Jason Blood? Klarion? Well I'll just have to say you will have to wait.
Let's say there maybe some truth in there..



Great story. I'm definately looking forward to the next strip!

Cool. :) Next couple of strips has another guest colourist (you may remember Silverknight was wonderful enough to colour strip 41). This time another old DKA member slips out of the shadows: Ian Moore (the original editor and ex-WF administrator). Again, we'll be switching scenes... and there is a lot of dialogue, so reading glasses on!

[Reverend]

It's been fun rereading the old episodes of Stripped and finding little hidden hints and such but I still have one question about the strip that's been nagging me: (albeit one that might have been answered already and I forgot) Who is the man who Morganna resurrects only to destroy in the episode where she's rewriting history. I feel like I should know who he is but can't place it... my first thought was Terry's dad, Warren but the details don't seem to quite fit...

Well spotted, there are indeed a few hints laid in to allot of the strips. Most are so subtle and oblique that you woun't even pick it up during a re-read.
For instance; in strip#24, behind panel 5, I added a splash of dark green to foreshadow the Terry-Spectre connection.
Now that's an extreme example and it's the sort of thing that's only supposed to register on the sub-consious level. Just like that slight tint of red around his eye is meant to reinforce the word "fury".



I can't help but wonder whether or not Dr. Fate or Etrgian/Jason Blood will have some major role near the end of the strip's story, or perhaps even Klarion, since it's possible that all 3 would still be around during the BB era.


I can't speak to the others (James still won't tell me everything) but Fate is obviously up to something, though he clearly isn't about to take her on directly.

[James]

Well spotted, there are indeed a few hints laid in to allot of the strips. Most are so subtle and oblique that you woun't even pick it up during a re-read.


I think both of us hope that when the story is done, a re-read will pick up a host of extra info. While the story has had to shift for various reasons, it's fairly true to it's original intentions, so thereby we've been able to add hints and clues that wouldn't be picked up until the answers are dropped... we hope!



I can't speak to the others (James still won't tell me everything) but Fate is obviously up to something, though he clearly isn't about to take her on directly.

Fate will be back. I've just penciled a future strip with himself back for more glowy entrances and long monologues (the guy can half waffle). His role as exposition will change very soon and become a little more active in our epic tale!

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[adoptedBatpuppy]

Interesting how you keep jumping back and forth between panels! :eek:
So, is Supergirl alive or dead? How about keeping her alive?
One of the reporters looks a lot like Oliver Queen(Green Arrow) except with the greyish hair and beard and sunglasses. Was that your intention when you drew? :shrug:

[James]

Interesting how you keep jumping back and forth between panels! :eek:

Yes, it's thick with narrative. Sorry bout that. Lots to explain, so little time.



So, is Supergirl alive or dead? How about keeping her alive?


That's up to her rather than me.


One of the reporters looks a lot like Oliver Queen(Green Arrow) except with the greyish hair and beard and sunglasses. Was that your intention when you drew? :shrug:

Not intentionally, but I have to admit, he was reminding me of someone, and I think you've nailed just who!

[Mr. A]

Adoptedbatpuppy stole the words right out of my mouth! (errr...typing hands). That has to be one of Ollie's illegitimate children who else could make their beard tips that pointy?;) He, Connor Hawke and Robert (his son with Shado) should hang out and commiserate together. That... actually might not be the worst idea for a support group. All it needs is a classy acronym.

*sigh* more mysterious backstory, this time for Kara,
Curse you and your deeply layered epic!

Let's hope she's unconscious because if she makes it through the strip, those two "reporters" are in for a world of pain. My sense of self-preservation suggests its not all-together wise to call Superman's hotheaded cousin "a second-rate cape" or "old news" or, you know, mock her while she may or may not be clinging to life on the floor of an abandoned building.

I love the idea of trying to garner an interview with a God of near endless destruction while she's in the middle of destroying your world. Thank goodness this is fiction and we don't have any media-hungry personalities that arrogant/short-sighted in the real-world.
...
If you'll excuse me I think Geraldo is on my favorite network right now.

[James]

Adoptedbatpuppy stole the words right out of my mouth! (errr...typing hands). That has to be one of Ollie's illegitimate children who else could make their beard tips that pointy?;) He, Connor Hawke and Robert (his son with Shado) should hang out and commiserate together. That... actually might not be the worst idea for a support group. All it needs is a classy acronym.

Well, I always got the impression Ollie got around a little. Who can say? Maybe we should create a back story for him.. and an undying hatred for the Green Arrow, so much he joins forces with Le Fey and, well, let's not go there.



*sigh* more mysterious backstory, this time for Kara,
Curse you and your deeply layered epic!

Well bout time we focused a little on poor Kara, since she's been Kryptonited, humilated and shot, it only seems gentlemanly to actually have a look at her background.



Let's hope she's unconscious because if she makes it through the strip, those two "reporters" are in for a world of pain. My sense of self-preservation suggests its not all-together wise to call Superman's hotheaded cousin "a second-rate cape" or "old news" or, you know, mock her while she may or may not be clinging to life on the floor of an abandoned building.


More on Kara, reporters and "old news" next week.



I love the idea of trying to garner an interview with a God of near endless destruction while she's in the middle of destroying your world. Thank goodness this is fiction and we don't have any media-hungry personalities that arrogant/short-sighted in the real-world.
...

Totally. There is an element of satire there. In such given circumstances, you can bet that there would be at least one British tabloid trying to get an exclusive with a goddess of destruction and at least one more offering her £500,000 for a topless shot on a beach. The British press are well known for their "persistence" in reporting and these guys are so Dick Van Dyke British!

[Magmafire2374]

Aww.. poor Supergirl. Excellent strip once again! Who were your main inspirations for the 2 reporter characters? I sense Morgan will have little patience for those dudes. I just don't see her as the kind of villan who would give the reporters a chance to get anywhere near her, let alone have them conduct an interview with her. She'd probably castrate them off the face of the planet with just a single thought and continue her world destruction. She's too busy taunting the Spectre and calling him out to be concerned with mere mortals trying to make a buck.

I have a couple of questions regarding some of the backstory events to a few of the things mentioned on this strip: 1) How and why did Supergirl come back from the future? 2) Why did Superman kick her out of the League when she returned?

Love all the work you guys put into your strips. Looking forward to see what happens next.:anime:

[James]

Aww.. poor Supergirl. Excellent strip once again! Who were your main inspirations for the 2 reporter characters?

Inspirations were mainly twofold. Caricatures of the gutter press were one, Zach and Ian were another (the real names of two certain oiks from the history of the World's Finest Website).

The main drive behind them was to have a couple of non superheroes giving a little "from the little man" perspective. Rather than Gotham being battered to the floor, just from the eyes of our heroes, I felt we needed a little more down to earth perspective of what is going on.


I sense Morgan will have little patience for those dudes. I just don't see her as the kind of villan who would give the reporters a chance to get anywhere near her, let alone have them conduct an interview with her. She'd probably castrate them off the face of the planet with just a single thought and continue her world destruction. She's too busy taunting the Spectre and calling him out to be concerned with mere mortals trying to make a buck.


Ah but if you'd ask Lois - a reporter always gets their story... even if you have to end up sleeping with the head of the Justice League. Smart lady that.



I have a couple of questions regarding some of the backstory events to a few of the things mentioned on this strip: 1) How and why did Supergirl come back from the future? 2) Why did Superman kick her out of the League when she returned?

1. To be explained a little later.
2. To be explained a little later.

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[adoptedBatpuppy]

She's Supergirl I'm sure she can make it!
What's up with Clark being to pushy, or was that Bruce the second time around? :eek:

[Wing Zero]

That was Bruce at the end. Go Kara! Just realized, techincally she should be barb's age and yet she looks like she's in her late 30s to early 40s. I want some of that kryptonian DNA!

Right now, I can't see the good guys winning, at least not without some crazy interference run by Dr.Fate. Or maybe Darksied & Lex will come back with the anti-life equation just in the nick of time and throw it at Le Fey :p

[James]

That was Bruce at the end. Go Kara! Just realized, techincally she should be barb's age and yet she looks like she's in her late 30s to early 40s. I want some of that kryptonian DNA!


That was the idea. I must admit as I've kept drawing her, she's looked younger and younger again. Inconsistency on my part. What can I say? It's a fan comic, I have a life, I can't spend my time looking for perfection! :)

Thanks to Ian Moore for the colours on this one again (and to Kris for the finish).



Right now, I can't see the good guys winning, at least not without some crazy interference run by Dr.Fate. Or maybe Darksied & Lex will come back with the anti-life equation just in the nick of time and throw it at Le Fey :p

I don't recall suggesting the good guys will win.....


She's Supergirl I'm sure she can make it!
What's up with Clark being to pushy, or was that Bruce the second time around? :eek:

Lol. Yes, it's Bruce. My renders were a little off mark on this one so I can easily forgive such a mistake on your part as the mistake was really on mine.

Yes, come on Supergirl. Get off your lazy ass and show us some chutzpah.

[Magmafire2374]

So far so good. Supergirl is either:

A) on the verge of an epiphany
or
B) on the verge of insanity
or
C) on the verge of dying


The suspense.. ahh the suspense...

[James]

So far so good. Supergirl is either:

A) on the verge of an epiphany
or
B) on the verge of insanity
or
C) on the verge of dying


The suspense.. ahh the suspense...

D) All the above

E) None of the above

[Mr. A]

It was a nice surprise to see Ma and Pa Kent in the flashback. I've always thought that they were one of the best parts of the DCAU Superman mythology.

Speaking of the man of Steel...Yup, that's about as mad as I've ever seen Superman portrayed. Even the spitcurl seems unhappy. By the same token it's impressive that even near-death-hallucination Bruce is kind of an insensitive, myopic jerk. That guy really sticks to his guns.

With the two of them together it was an interesting juxtaposition to hear Clark talking about "the symbol" versus Bruce's referrence to "the uniform". Kind of a neat way to sum up the difference between them.

It took a minute to figure out why Kara looked so surreal to me in the strip's last panel, then I realized its because the green glow (and main light source) is coming from the Kryptonite bullet lodged inside the gunshot wound in her abdomen...and that's creepy ... but pretty darn cool looking. Impressive art even in a series with all sorts of impressive art.

And lastly, with a question that makes me feel dumb as all get out: is the redhaired woman in the hallucination middle-aged Barbara? I was sure until she mentioned another "she", now I'm only about 84% sure.

Good strip, nice to see the resurrection of the Last Daughter of Argos.
The question, though, is will she come back with long hair like her cousin did? :)

[James]

It was a nice surprise to see Ma and Pa Kent in the flashback. I've always thought that they were one of the best parts of the DCAU Superman mythology.


Yes, BB: Stripped is becoming a mountain of cameos. A few more to come too.



Speaking of the man of Steel...Yup, that's about as mad as I've ever seen Superman portrayed. Even the spitcurl seems unhappy. By the same token it's impressive that even near-death-hallucination Bruce is kind of an insensitive, myopic jerk. That guy really sticks to his guns.


He's practical. I love practical men. Bruce gets past all the touchy feely stuff and bites down on the real issue. I had considered when I first mapped this scene (and again, thanks to the changes I made I mentioned earlier, it was forced to go through some big changes), it was going almost an "Angel"/"Devil" playout, with Clark (or Barbara, I forget which) saying to Kara how well she'd done and she could rest easy knowing she had fought bravely. Then on the other side was the insenstive myopic jerk telling her to stop being such a drama queen and get up. Same thing sort of plays out, just with more cameos.



With the two of them together it was an interesting juxtaposition to hear Clark talking about "the symbol" versus Bruce's referrence to "the uniform". Kind of a neat way to sum up the difference between them.


That is very much how I see them myself, which is why all the "Batmen" in this story are less than careful about their "secret identity". Partially because the world is about to end so being previous about a mask seems fairly insignificant, but also because it's just a uniform. A gadget. A means to carry out their mission. This is an ideology that Bruce would have had and I like to think has been passed down. They are - to coin an image from Frank Miller - soldiers in battle. It's their belief that creates the Batman, THEY are the Batman, not the suit or the pointy ears or the symbol. The symbol on the suit doesn't make them who they are, it's something within.

With Superman, yes, it's not the Suit that gives him the powers, but the symbol does define the alien with the powers. The suit "creates" Superman from Clark. I always felt this was the crux of their ideologies.


It took a minute to figure out why Kara looked so surreal to me in the strip's last panel, then I realized its because the green glow (and main light source) is coming from the Kryptonite bullet lodged inside the gunshot wound in her abdomen...and that's creepy ... but pretty darn cool looking. Impressive art even in a series with all sorts of impressive art.

Ian Moore was the colorist here, I generally let the colorist do what they want and not interfere. Kris, Ian and Maggie have always brought their own ideas and perspectives to the strip, so I can rest easy knowing they'll add little touches like that.



And lastly, with a question that makes me feel dumb as all get out: is the redhaired woman in the hallucination middle-aged Barbara? I was sure until she mentioned another "she", now I'm only about 84% sure.


It is Barby.



Good strip, nice to see the resurrection of the Last Daughter of Argos.
The question, though, is will she come back with long hair like her cousin did? :)

There is a hair extension store just over the road from the station where she's currently bleeding to death. I'm sure she'll manage to swing by and complete the legacy.

[Reverend]

I have a question.
Is there any particular reason why you chose to draw "Young Bruce" while Barb looks middle aged and Clark looks as he does in "the Call" ?

[James]

I have a question.
Is there any particular reason why you chose to draw "Young Bruce" while Barb looks middle aged and Clark looks as he does in "the Call" ?

As I recall, I had originally given him white stripes on the sides of his head - as with "Out of the Past". Though I may have inadvertantly inked over them when I sent the image to Ian to colour. Maybe we could retcon it.

Otherwise we can assume Bruce went through a phase when he felt that he could only feel young enough to be Batman, if he killed the grey. Yes, Bruce Wayne went through a hair dye phase. Who'd have thought?

[Bird Boy]

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[adoptedBatpuppy]

Did Supergirl turned evil? Or is she trying to get a piece of Kryptonite out of her body? :shrug:
Smooth follow up from the previous panel..

[The Guitar Slayer]

(sporfles into her milk)

I have to say, that's DKA Classic all the way. "Hey, lemme borrow your hand a sec." "NO, don't put it there!!" Gotta hand it to Kara, that's one way of fixing the problem.






(pun intended)

[James]

Did Supergirl turned evil? Or is she trying to get a piece of Kryptonite out of her body? :shrug:
Smooth follow up from the previous panel..

She's trying to get the piece of kryptonite out of her body. Trying to pull a bullet out of your gut with your own hand is rather hard - your nervous system goes rather reeky deeky making it a little difficult to making the neccessary surgical extraction..

Watch that milk GS.

[Wing Zero]

Kara rises, excellent.

[Magmafire2374]

She looks like a blood hungry vampire when she says "yours will do."

Excellent strip.

[James]

This scene hasn't changed at all really even though it's in amidst some of the largest changes to the story - as I've mentioned previously. There was a large chunk of Max storyline that I took out which shifted the pieces somewhat, but this remained largely as it is now. Biggest difference was it a news report on one of the stations news screens reporting live on the situation that Max was in that woke her up, and there was more urgency in her to be able to get to the scene to save her.

As I said, all utterly altered when I removed the Max chapter out of the final acts, but I really liked this sort of gutsy (ker-punnnnn!) return of Kara so it remained and makes a rather nice mini story (coloured by Ian "Flash" Moore" and lettered/edited by Kris Trigwell). Next week's is the last to be guest coloured by Ian and it's back to Kris. Kris has been busy colouring the final DKA issue so this work from Ian has been very much appreciated!

[The Flash]

Haha -- that turned out really evil looking! Great to see with the dialouge in place. GS is right it is very much DKA. Can't wait to read the rest of the strips -- hope to have the next colors ready this weekend.

[James]

Slight delay brought on by The Flash's lifestyle. We intend to put up the delayed strip at the end of the week and the strip after around Monday. So two strips this weekend - for free. If you were in London Soho you'd be very excited.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

:D Two strips in one week! Must be your B-day or something!

[The Flash]

From the colorist…

My sincere apologies to everyone. My ever increasing workload has made it difficult to get this task completed. Lucky for you all this is my last DKA commitment, so I can’t stink up the show once this gets finished! I’m finding time to finish filling in the backgrounds and Kris, via James, is going to been kind enough to take over after that.

[Reverend]

Don't sweat it. I've been using the extra time to make the irritating transition from Jasc PaintShop Pro 9 to Corel PaintShop Pro X. <grumble> Stupid corperate buy-outs </grumble>

[The Flash]

Don't sweat it. I've been using the extra time to make the irritating transition from Jasc PaintShop Pro 9 to Corel PaintShop Pro X. <grumble> Stupid corperate buy-outs </grumble>

I recently made the same transition myself... one of the few upgrades that they've done that I actually liked. The vectors work a little differently, but once you get the hang of it, it's fine.

On the DKA front... we're making progress, folks!

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[Wing Zero]

Now that's a strip, it's always good to be reminded that these guys are heroes and not just characters. Go Kara.

[The Guitar Slayer]

You go, girl!

I would think, though, that it would smell like Sunday roast. Unless Kryptonians burn differently. Anyway, it figures that James found the one way Kara could top getting someone to rip the kryptonite out of her body: use her own heat vision to sew herself up XD

[James]

I don't think there are many people that the smell of chicken coming from burning flesh - in context - smells good. I think Kara took a fair stab it would be an agreeable experience for all involved - including herself.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

That Was Great! One of the best strips I ever read, thus far. :D
It's nice to see that Kara is NOT willing to give up and die in a corner, but will continue fighting as long as it takes!
I bet Fire vision thing only works for healing herself, and not ordinary humans, villans, etc. I wonder what Gov was trying to say, before Gordon cut him off. :confused:
Any chance the writer can explain the meaning of "Sonofa" ?

[Reverend]

Bare in mind it's not just burning flesh we're talking about here, it's punctured intestines, leaking bile and persumably a partially digested meal.
So yes, it will pong.


That Was Great! One of the best strips I ever read, thus far. :D
It's nice to see that Kara is NOT willing to give up and die in a corner, but will continue fighting as long as it takes!
I bet Fire vision thing only works for healing herself, and not ordinary humans, villans, etc. I wonder what Gov was trying to say, before Gordon cut him off. :confused:
Any chance the writer can explain the meaning of "Sonofa" ?

She's not healing herself, she's cauterising the wound to stop the bleeding/keep her guts from spilling out and yes that works on humans too (ever seen Rambo or Braveheart?)

As for that last bit; lets just say he's on the verge of a rude word.

[James]

Any chance the writer can explain the meaning of "Sonofa" ?

If you can't find a degrogatory word that rhymes with "snitch", feel free to choose "Son of a gun" as a pre watershed replacement.

[Magmafire2374]

Hurray for a feel good strip! Go Kara!

Awesome job guys. Well worth the delay.

[James]

Hurray for a feel good strip! Go Kara!

Awesome job guys. Well worth the delay.

We should be back on speed from here. Thanks again to Ian for the guest colouring (and Kris for his finishing touches to both visuals and dialogue of course). We've finished this "mini story" and we're now moving back to the main action from next weekend!

[Alpha Flight]

This was great: "Yet I never realised that these people weren't "superheroes" at all. What they did, they didn't consider heroic- they consider it their responsibility" and the artwork was good to boot!

"we're now moving back to the main action from next weekend!"
I can't wait!

[James]

Thanks for the feedback, I think I speak for myself, Kris and Ian saying it's appreciated. It's been a nice little mini story (which was initially planned to be released in one week, but you know what happens to a good plan).

I think this episode maybe my favourite so far. Kris did some lovely little embelishments to the script too. Glad you liked. Always good to see if we can pull some new dynamics out of old characters.

[Arrakhat]

Wow. If there were nasty parts before, Supergirl's patch job takes the cake.

Just wondering, but what does this line mean:

"I'm under no illusion that she won't last long-"

Is that a dopuble negative used confusingly, or do I just need to go to bed earlier and eat better breakfasts?:confused: :sweat:

[James]

Just wondering, but what does this line mean:
"I'm under no illusion that she won't last long-"


The syntax is a very common double negative, but isn't that precisely what journalism is about: sloopy, over dramatic English? I read it and I know what he means, even if the English is horrendously erroneous. Just like when I read a tabloid. :)