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Matt Yorston
02-19-2002, 05:43 PM
Anybody here want to share their feelings on who they think is the most underrated person who ever had long experience directing cartoons?

Everybody gives high esteem and regard to Tex Avery because of his wonderfully comic, uninhibited, anything-for-a-laugh style. Ditto Bob Clampett. Chuck Jones and Friz Freleng are both held high by a lot of animation experts and, of course, Hanna-Barbera made "cat and mouse" a household phrase through their directing partnership.

Of course, all of the above people are WORTHY of all their praise (just in case some people think I'm insinuating they didn't deserve it because they most definitely did). But who do you think is a cartoon director that SHOULD receive a little more attention that what's been given to him?

My pick goes to Disney/Lantz/MGM director Dick Lundy. People hardly mention him (a lot more mention goes to James Culhane) and he is almost ignored, despite the fact that he made a lot of excellent cartoons as director (at least, IMO). At Disney, he directed a handful of Donald Duck cartoons; specifically, nine (Sea Scouts, The Riveter, A Good Time for a Dime, Donald's Camera, The Village Smithy, Donald's Garden, Donald's Gold Mine, Donald's Tire Trouble, The Flying Jalopy). All of these shorts may not be the duck at his best but they are extremely enjoyable in at least some way. I love the bit in "Donald's Gold Mine" where Donald gets the head of his pickaxe stuck to various body parts and tries to remove it from each part. "Donald's Tire Trouble" could have been a one-note story (Donald changing a tire? Not much of a plotline) but, in Lundy's hands, it was some hilarious moments and great personality animation (which Lundy's shorts are famous for). Of course, he left Disney after "Flying Jalopy" which brings us to next studio... Lantz.

Once Lundy was promoted to director, he tried to get the Lantz animators to put some personality into the characters. When hearing this, I at first scoffed at his decision but I'm realizing now that it was a very bold move. Woody IS a more likeable, personified cartoon in the cartoons Lundy directed. Lundy even directed the Woody cartoon, "Smoked Hams", one of my all-time favorite Lantz shorts. "Bathing Buddies", "Well Oiled", "Banquet Busters", "Wacky Bye Baby", "Wet Blanket Policy", and "Drooler's Delight" are also all excellent by any standards. They are hilarious in parts which brings us to another point... starting at Lantz, Lundy started putting zany Tex Avery-style humor into his cartoons. This is especially evident in the films he directed in which Heck Allen serves as a storyman (Wet Blanket Policy, Dog Tax Dodgers, etc.). Even some of his Andy Panda shorts have Averian moments (like the bit in "Scrappy Birthday" where Andy's dog picks up the scent of the fox's footprints like a vacuum cleaner... to the point where he transmutes into a vacuum cleaner, being pushed by the fox. The fox then "turns off" the dog, unscrews his head from his body, and shakes loose all the footprints the dog sniffed up. The fox then reattaches the dog, returning him to his canine state). Who couldn't laugh at cartoons like these?

Finally, he was called into MGM in the early 1950's to fill in for Tex Avery (obviously, Fred Quimby thought he was a man of some talent). Sadly (on my behalf), I cannot comment much on his MGM cartoons, all but one of which featured Barney Bear. I have only seen 2 of the cartoons he directed here ("Caballero Droopy" and "Barney's Hungry Cousin"). Nonetheless, both of those two are very good cartoons. CD isn't quite up to Tex's standards (despite a few more Averian moments such as the train-wrecking finale) but BHC is hilarious from start to finish. The gags (the shrinking turkey, Barney becoming a slot machine, Barney pushing the phone booth off the cliff) come one after the other in a marvellous fashion that leaves one roaring. I would give anything to be able to see any of Lundy's other Barney cartoons (in particular, Wee Willie Wildcat, which looks like Lundy's directing skills at their zenith).

Of all those I've seen by him, the only cartoon of his I truly dislike is "Apple Andy". I have never liked this cartoon; not much to recommend this one especially compared to Lundy's other cartoons. But one bad one of the whole bunch isn't too shabby.

Those are my thoughts. Anybody care to jump on this thread with an "analysis" of another overlooked director?

Do-Do
02-19-2002, 05:46 PM
I'd say Arthur Davis. I think that his cartoons are very funny and Clampettesque.

Thad Komorowski
02-19-2002, 06:35 PM
Definitley Arthur Davis and Dick Lundy. Their shorts are great.


-Thad

DarthGonzo
02-19-2002, 09:10 PM
Matt, CN shows Wee Willie Wildcat on the Acme Hour from time to time so keep an eye out for it.

Matthew Hunter
02-19-2002, 09:36 PM
Definitely Art Davis. The cartoons he did are all funny, I don't think he had a bad apple in the whole bunch.
-Matthew

Thad Komorowski
02-19-2002, 09:51 PM
There's also almost all of the Paramount cartoon directors, since they get criticized for being repetitive. Well most of the time they were, but when they weren't, they'd make greats like "As the Crow Lies", "Mice-Capades", "Starting from Hatch", "Of Mice and Menace", "Git' Along Lil' Duckie", "Which is Witch" (1958/Casper), and "Mousetro Herman".


-Thad

J Lee
02-19-2002, 10:41 PM
The Paaramount cartoons are harder to determine who the "underrated" directors are, since it was a collabrative process between the designated director (Dave Fleischer and later, Kneitel, Sparber, Gordon, Tytla and Tendlar) and their head animators.

That said, the Dan Gordon cartoons done in the first year of Famous Studios are consistantly wild, whether or not his head animator was Jim Tyer (the wildest of all, of course), Graham Place or Joe Oriolo. Gordon did seem to give his head animator a lot of leeway (as did Sparber) in controlling the look of the cartoons, but he gets credit for allowing a lot of "Warner Bros. humor" into the 1942-43 Popeye releases.

Another underrated director who also only had a brief career in the job at the theatrical level in Don Patterson over at Lantz. The best way to sum up his work is that when he was doing the Woody Woodpecker cartoons in the 1950s they were funny, and almost as soon as he left, they weren't anymore.

Larry T
02-20-2002, 07:45 AM
The Don Patterson Woody cartoons are all great, I don't think there's a totally bad one in his whole bunch. Plus, they're all different- a completely unique story in every one. And the animation is nice, too- his design of Woody is by far the nicest and most streamlined.

For Warner's I'd have to say the most underrated director would be Frank Tashlin. He's not always included in the list of "great ones", probably based on his fragmented career there, and that he has so many B&W cartoons. He tends to get overlooked a lot.

I also would give an honorable mention to Norman McCabe- you can tell when he got stuck with a script nobody else wanted- the cartoons he directed were either thigh-slappingly funny, or they just plain sucked. That's kind of unusual, such an extreme track record- it really clues you in that something else was going on at the time.

Pietro
02-20-2002, 08:16 AM
Art Davis gets my vote. His cartoons were slick and the gags were very well-paced.

-Pietro:D

DR. BELCH
02-20-2002, 11:25 AM
--a toss-up between Lundy and Michael Lah. It's been said that the former's work is Averyesque, and the latter worked directly under Tex for years, obviously picking up some timing and style tricks ("The Bear and the Bean" was the closest to an Avery-directed Barney Bear short we'd ever get) from The Master. I suppose I'll toss a nod to Ben Hardaway too, for both his Warners and Lantz work....

lislebartman
02-20-2002, 02:57 PM
For those of you familiar with Columbia cartoons, how about Bob Wickersham, who directed the best of the "Fox & Crow" shorts? While it's not fair to compare his work to Tashlin's "The Fox & The Grapes", he had a knack of using strange camera angles and alternating between very literal and very stylized backgrounds for his cartoons.

"Be Patient, Patient" is one of my favorite Fox & Crow shorts, mainly because the end gag is just too funny... :D

barnyarddawg
02-20-2002, 04:31 PM
I gotta go with Frank Tashlin. I love Brother Brat, Swooner Crooner, The Stupid Cupid, Nasty Quacks, Plane Daffy ....., really all of his stuff made during his second stint as director is excellent. Porky at the Crocadero, Porky's Romance, and Wholley Smoke are among his strong first period cartoons.

Nelson
02-20-2002, 04:38 PM
Here is my list of directors..

James "Shamus" Culhane

Dick Lundy

Art Davis

Sid Marcus

Ben Hardaway

Seymour Kneitel

Mannie Davis

Paul J. Smith

Ub Iwerks

PorkyandDaffy
02-20-2002, 06:11 PM
Robert McKimson. A lot of people claim he was a bad director because of his decline in the mid-50's. But before those mid-50's cartoons, McKimson ruled and made classic-after-classic. He deserves much more credit, and shouldn't be ignored because of his decline.

Steve Carras
03-11-2002, 10:38 AM
Oh, Art Davis, sure. BTW Cannot find the thread but..
Favorite Art Davis cartoon (cmon, lewt's start the thread again)
Bone Sweet Bone
A Hick, A Slick and a Chick (and thanbks to Jerry beck, thru Matt Hunter we now know that "Rural Rhythm" is the hick mouse's theme!)
Dough Ray Me-ow
Mexican Joyride..heck, hard to single out a favorite other than the top three..and th Daffys....

Bob McKimson. His Daffy ivalled Mckimson's, very stocky and heavy built, in 1947's "Daffy Duck Hunt" he spits more than usual. McKImson used Daffy as a wiseguy, as a salesman and even as a leading duck to his beach bunny ("Muscle Tussle"). (HGowever the same Bob McKimson weas forced into the awful Daffy-Speedy shorts in the mid-60s) :mad:

Daffyfan2002
03-11-2002, 04:37 PM
I have to agree with everybody who said Arthur Davis. He didn't get as much recognition as he deserved. I always crack up at "The Stupor Salesman." I loved Daffy's line, "Jutht a little devithe for gaining entrance into places where one is not exactly welcome." And "Riff Raffy Daffy" is also one of my favorites. And then there's "Bowery Bugs." I loved when Steve Brody went to a police officer to claim that he kept seeing rabbits, only to find that when the officer turned around that it WAS a certain wascally wabbit. And who wouldn't crack up at "Dough Ray Meow." Heathcliff finds his birth certificate and it literally says, "You're four!" Lol.

rodney
03-11-2002, 09:44 PM
I gotta go with Tashlin on this one.

McKimson's stuff generally wasn't great, especially in the later years, but I still maintain that it was better than what most everyone else was doing at that time.

Art Davis' stuff leaves me cold, and for the life of me, I can't figure out why. I *really* don't like his treatment of Bugs in 'Bowery Bugs'. I guess his Porky stuff wasn't bad though.

Why did the Davis unit get shut down after such a short period of time?

Jack
03-11-2002, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by rodney
Why did the Davis unit get shut down after such a short period of time?
Budget cuts. In order to keep the quality of the other cartoons high, one unit had to be closed. Davis had the least seniority, so his unit was disbanded.

Sogturtle wrote an-information-filled-post on Art Davis. It's a great read, and goes a little more into depth about Davis' directorial and animation career. It can be found here:
http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?threadid=18462

Jack :D