Timm or Dini: Choose One!

[Beyond Batman]

It's a fact there are more people involved than just Dini and Timm responsible for making BTAS a success. Voice directors, voice actors, writers, producers, animators, etc.

To my question: If it were broken down to be between just the two of them, who would you give more credit to? Dini or Timm?

I have a feeling many of you will say both, or that there's more involved than just them two. But if you absolutely had to pick one, who would it be?

[Terminatah]

This is the age-old argument to which there is no real solution. Most people will tell you that Paul Dini is infallible because of how smart he is, which makes the fact that he's a regular guy all the cooler. Not to mention how horribly Bruce Timm has been performing in this new series, never once utilizing his full range of talents. But others will tell you that it's no contest because Bruce Timm is a Kryptonian and he has super strength. The truth is, we're never going to find a solution to the question of Paul Dini vs. Bruce Timm, because everyone already has a favorite. So why don't we just drop it before this thread erupts into an orgy of name calling and nipple twisting?

-Terminatah

[The Game]

Timm. Dini is an amazing writer but there would be no animated Batman if it hadn't been for Timm.

[DisneyBoy]

" So why don't we just drop it before this thread erupts into an orgy of name calling and nipple twisting? "

I'd like to think we can all be more mature than that , Terminatah!

[Beyond Batman]

Terminatah, we've shared the same perspectives on many various topics, and I've noticed how many of your responses are sarcastic in nature. It's fun to have a laugh here in there, but my question is quite serious, and it's a question that has boggled my mind since I've been a fan of the animated series. So I'm asking you nicely to please drop the sarcasim on this one. If you have any personal issues or grievences on my topic, PM (personal message) me. I, as much as you, don't want to fuel any heated arguments (nor do I want to see "name calling or nipple twisting").

I agree DisneyBoy, we are all mature here. This is a topic for personal opinion and preference and is not meant to offer any solution... rather share opinions. I'm curious to see where all of you stand between Dini or Timm. So let's get back on topic.

Dini or Timm? Who deserves more credit?

[TimTwoFace]

It's tough to decide - both are very hit-and-miss people. Dini has a lot of terrific stories, but still has a handful of not so great (and more recent) ones. Timm has a great eye for things and his artwork is always terrific - but sometimes it, too, lacks substance.

Can't we just say that, ultimately, we COULD still have a great series with just one of them? It's great to have both working together, but I'd still be pleased with the work of just half of this duo.

And how come Alan Burnett never gets any credit? He is one of the producers, too!

-Tim

[Terminatah]

I didn't mean anything by that post, I just thought the "Dini or Timm?" question was similar to the endless "Batman vs. Superman" threads we've seen, so I thought you guys would get a laugh if I made a short satiric post about it (that's satiric, not sarcastic). I tried to make it sound as much like a "Bats vs. Supes" post as I could, so sorry if it seemed like I was degrading your topic. :wakko:

In fact, if you change all the "Dini's" to "Batman's" and "Timm's" to "Superman's," it will make sense. ;)

As for who I think deserves more credit, I don't know enough about their involvement to say for sure, but they both seem to be giants in their own fields.

-Terminatah

[The Flash]

Timm all the way. Paul is a helluva writter, but you gotta love the way Bruce draws.

[BeastBoyWonder]

I'm not sure if I like this idea of "sheild everyone from negative and sarcastic posts". Although we need to keep from name-calling etc, some sarcasm is humorous and adds life to these boards. I didn't laught at Terminatah's post, but i thought it was relatively humorous and if i were in a better mood, i probably would have.

[Barb Gordon]

If we aren't mature enough for some posts, then we shouldn't be posting. So far, this post seems to be going just fine.

Well, I hear Dini's name more often than Timm's it seems...but I could be wrong. Obviously they both have their strengths and weaknesses. All in all, I'd go for both of them. Without either of them, I would think that Batman would be worse off in the long run.

Barb^-^

[kid_flash]

Timm all the way. What a lotta people forget is that Dini wasn't a producer on BTAS, but Timm was. Besides, Timm's done all the designs and such. So Bruce Timm DEFINITELY deserves more credit.

[Maxie Zeus]

Tone aside, I happen to agree completely with Terminatah. The show is collaborative, and as has been made clear in interviews and descriptions there is no real sharp distinction between the various jobs. If I understand it correctly, it's not like Dini would give Timm a script and say, "Here, go animate this," so that you could say that Dini was totally responsible for the words and Timm for the images.

In Batman Animated Timm describes giving extensive notes on proposed scripts and stories; Dini says that directors (especially Altieri) would tear out whole chunks of dialogue without the writers by-your-leave to animate a scene in a more cinematic way; in on-line interviews all sides have described an "open door" policy that had everyone going around kibbitzing each others' work. Timm pitched the story that became "Legends of the Dark Knight" to Dini and Burnett, who then passed it along to Goodman to write up, and then it got passed to the director and character designers to translate. So who is "responsible" for that ep?

Of course, it's possible to trace out the "style" of an individual through the course of the series: Timm on the character designs and Dini in the stories and dialogue. They wouldn't be the talents they are otherwise. But the team behind BTAS was so good, and clearly worked so well together to turn out good stuff, and apparently meshed so seamlessly, that I don't think it's possible to meaningfully trace things out to the individuals and assign credit.

[Bobby Boy 101]

Bruce Timm by a long shot

i love his drawings, his designs, his production involvment. I know Paul Dini is a great writer...but thats where it stops. Bruce Timm on the other hand can write, draw, design, produce, colour, and Im sure alot more

'sides, he's just plain awsome!

[Karkull]

Do we really have to choose? This must really hurt the feelings of Alan Burnett, Rich Fogel, and everyone else who works/has worked on the show.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

Both of them of cource. For me it's hard to choose, (I'm a new Batman Fan) that's why I never vote for Batman vs. Superman thing.

[Salvor]

Timm. As an artist. Because believe me, there's something in his drawings that every artist will always long for, such an acute sense of movement, of body gesture... and it just seems so easy for him!

[mgibson72]

Wow. Tough choice. I suppose if I had to choose it would be Bruce buy by a slim margin. Paul is a great writer and it's too bad that he's not working on JL which could use some perking up.

That said, there are a whole host of people that worked on the DC animated properties that deserve credit!

[Harvey Dent]

As much as I love Timm's beautiful artwork, I'm going to go with Dini. You could use Japanese animation ala "Gundam Wing", or even stick him with the Superfriends crew, but I'm confident that he'd still be able to produce an award-winning show.

[oranthal]

who is Dini and who is Timm? :D

[Justice League 2000]

paul dini is a writer producer and created he created batman beyond I like paul dini and bruce timm thay are god creaters.
and hello my good friends. :)

[Joe Wagner]

Sorry - I just can't pick one!

I would have to go with the entire crew of Dini, Timm (awesome art style), Burnett, Fogel and Reeves. This creative team was probably the greatest to ever grace any particular character. The title I would give them though would be something they haven't done before - Namor: The Animated Series.

-Joe!
(Who would probably die if they did a Marvel Animated Series)

[DestroyerAce]

Wow, tough call. I must admit - I have tons of Timm's artwork saved... and none of Dini's writing, so I think therein lies my answer.

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