CN Talkback: Pokémon Diamond and Pearl [January] (spoilers) [Archive]

Lazerboy5000

01-01-2008, 03:02 PM

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January, 2008

Ash and Brock, along with the young Pokémon Coordinator Dawn, traverse the land of Sinnoh, meeting all new Pokémon and some hardcore rivals!

Time:9:30am Saturdays

(All times in Eastern)

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Last Month:
Our heroes continue toward Hearthome City.
Paul battled Sinnoh Champion Cynthia and lost.
Dawn found out that the next contest will be a double performance.
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This Time:

January 5th, 2008
Mass Hip-Po-Sis!
Our heroes want to save some Hippopotas, but a TV crew are in the mist of filming the pokemon.

January 12th, 2008
Ill-Will Hunting!
J makes her second appearance, and this time she is after some Shieldon.

January 19th, 2008
A Maze-ing Race!
Dawn tries to win a new application for her Poketch in an unofficial contest.

January 26th, 2008 @ 9:00AM
Sandshrew's Locker!
Ash helps out a trainer recover a pendant from the bottom of a sea.

January 26th, 2008
Dawn's Early Night!
We finally make it to Hearthome City, and it's time for Dawn next contest. But will she be able to handle the competition?

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Notes:
Not much on notes again.
Mostly fillers this week.
If you’ve missed any episodes, reruns air weekday mornings at 7:00AM eastern.
Still want something to look forward to… we will see this character this month:
Gary

D Dubbs

01-01-2008, 03:07 PM

You can switch in the dub titles.

For January 5th: Mass Hip-Po-Sis

For January 12th: Ill-Will Hunting!

Lazerboy5000

01-01-2008, 03:10 PM

^ Will do (I was using the serebii.net titles)

Space Cadet

01-02-2008, 07:04 PM

Quick Question: How many episodes is the English dub behind the Japanese version?

D Dubbs

01-02-2008, 07:15 PM

Quick Question: How many episodes is the English dub behind the Japanese version?

18 episodes, I believe.

Space Cadet

01-02-2008, 07:22 PM

18 episodes, I believe.

Wow, I don't think CN will have any Pokemon marathons with new episodes in them anytime soon.:eek:

Lazerboy5000

01-02-2008, 07:34 PM

Wow, I don't think CN will have any Pokemon marathons with new episodes in them anytime soon.:eek:
I don't remember the last time CN had a pokemon marathon with new episodes. The only marathons they did recently were the classic episodes and the 20 episode recap of D/P.

Space Cadet

01-02-2008, 07:38 PM

I don't remember the last time CN had a pokemon marathon with new episodes. The only marathons they did recently were the classic episodes and the 20 episode recap of D/P.

I remember when CN burned through all of Battle Frontier in a month or two. Those were the days.:p

D Dubbs

01-02-2008, 08:10 PM

Wow, I don't think CN will have any Pokemon marathons with new episodes in them anytime soon.:eek:

Heh, the ironic thing about that is PUSA's comment on the whole dubbing issue at the NY Anime Expo:

Lawrence Neves, the Editorial Director of Pokemon USA, who has the luxury of dealing with a property that skews to a younger audience where downloading is less of a threat, stated that it would be difficult to produce American versions of Pokemon episodes in less than a six month period.

Looks like someone isn't very well informed... :rolleyes:

CyberCubed

01-02-2008, 11:24 PM

I'm guessing CN is going to take a break eventually and go into rerun mode, but I wonder how many more weeks until that happens.

yoshirider13

01-03-2008, 08:09 AM

Maybe when they reach episode 52.

Light Lucario

01-03-2008, 09:02 PM

I'm guessing CN is going to take a break eventually and go into rerun mode, but I wonder how many more weeks until that happens.

It could end up like yoshirider13 said and continue to air episodes until they get to episode 52 of the first season of D/P. Either that or until they finish airing how many episodes they have dubbed and ready to go. I don't remember the last time they even took a break from the new episodes since they have been able to air one new episode a week for a seriously long time now.

Lutochris

01-04-2008, 04:41 AM

Lazerboy5000

01-04-2008, 08:59 AM

Lutochris

01-04-2008, 03:41 PM

Considering that they animate before recording voices in Japan, all they'd need to do is hire a translator and a couple English writers on staff in Japan, and they could easily have a script ready by the time they're ready to record. Then they could just send the script and videos to the US studios and finish up the English version not long after the Japanese version is finished. Of course in the case of Pokemon there's other changes that would need to be made (music, etc), but if they wanted to there's no reason they couldn't have the English version finished not long after the Japanese. They're in the unique position of not having to deal with licensing issues for their dubbing, and they know full well that as long as they have them CN will air them.

sdp

01-04-2008, 06:20 PM

Nintendo will never allow for us to catch up with Japan for the simple fact that there has to be a gap because of the videogames.

Light Lucario

01-04-2008, 08:47 PM

I remember in the KidsWB days we were never closer than 40 episodes behind. As long as they keep going in Japan, and PUSA has no problem getting them and dubbing them (and I don't see why they would, since it's the same damn company after all), I don't see why CN would quit airing them. I don't see why at this point they just don't produce the English version simultaneously with the original episode.

I doubt that CN would stop airing the episodes since I'm sure that they still do quite well with the ratings. As long as they already have the episodes in hand, dubbed and ready to air, then they'll continue with airing new episodes. PUSA does not dub the episodes. They manage and distribute the show, as well as other Pokemon products/properties, but they hire a studio to do the dubbing process, which was TAJ role.

Considering that they animate before recording voices in Japan, all they'd need to do is hire a translator and a couple English writers on staff in Japan, and they could easily have a script ready by the time they're ready to record. Then they could just send the script and videos to the US studios and finish up the English version not long after the Japanese version is finished. Of course in the case of Pokemon there's other changes that would need to be made (music, etc), but if they wanted to there's no reason they couldn't have the English version finished not long after the Japanese. They're in the unique position of not having to deal with licensing issues for their dubbing, and they know full well that as long as they have them CN will air them.

I don't think that you understand that the dubbing process takes a lot of time. I'm sure that it is not easy translating an episode of a foregin program. I'm also sure that creating a script takes more time than what I think you think it takes. In terms of the voices, that is not easy either. They have to go through their line many times before the director decides that it's good enough. Pokemon isn't the only anime that has music changes. All of the Digimon series also had changes in the background music, but the music in both series is fine. I bet that there are other series that are in the same boat, but Digimon was the only one that came to mind.

Not only will Nintendo not allow for the dub to catch up with the Japanese version for the reason that sdp mentioned, but the time it takes for the dubbing process to be done would be really hard to accomplish. Aside from how hard and costly the dubbing episodes is, unlike for the U.S., Japan doesn't have seasons for their anime and they don't really take any breaks from airing them. They may delay airing an episode because of a special event and/or a holiday, but that's usually about it. That would mostly be a problem since the dubbing studio would need a break at some point.

Jacob T. Paschal

01-04-2008, 09:31 PM

Tash

01-05-2008, 12:35 AM

Wow, I don't think CN will have any Pokemon marathons with new episodes in them anytime soon.:eek:
At one point, I believe we were only 14 episodes behind Japan. I don't think there are many dubs in existence that can compete with that kind of speed. (co-productions not withstanding)

D Dubbs

01-05-2008, 10:14 AM

A pretty standard episode today. I did like Hippopotas's design, though. And the Team Rocket motto was pretty entertaining, too. Billy Beach did a good job with that.

Also, the next episode title has been revealed: A Maze-ing Race!

yoshirider13

01-05-2008, 01:19 PM

Todays episode was pretty much the storyline for 3/4 of the Johto fillers. It wasn't to bad, but a pretty big step back from other D&P fillers so far.

Space Cadet

01-05-2008, 04:31 PM

At one point, I believe we were only 14 episodes behind Japan. I don't think there are many dubs in existence that can compete with that kind of speed. (co-productions not withstanding)

Well, Viz is trying with Naruto, although they have a ways to go.

So, did TAJ Productions dub today's episode?

D Dubbs

01-05-2008, 04:34 PM

So, did TAJ Productions dub today's episode?

Yep, they were still listed in the credits.

Light Lucario

01-05-2008, 06:28 PM

I really did like this episode. It was nice to see Ash and his friends just wanting to help out that Hippopotas like that. Hippopotas was also just so darn cute and I thought that Ash was really enjoying being with it and helping it. Hippopotas using Yawn attack on people was pretty cute and it was funny how James had to do Jessie's part of the motto in a voice like that. I also got a laugh when Croagunk carried the sleeping Brock away before Team Rockett saw them. A sleeping Ash and before that a sleeping Dawn carried by Brock also made me giggle a bit.

I also noticed TAJ Productions still credited This whole thing about changing the dubbing studio has just confused the heck out of me because the idea that they could have already done work at another studio when TAJ is still in the credits. I'm a poor confused person, but it will be okay.

Terror of Death

01-05-2008, 07:40 PM

I also got a laugh when Croagunk carried the sleeping Brock away before Team Rockett saw them.

This raises a question. Do most Pokemon ever sleep in their pokeballs? I know they can hear every thing thats going on outside the pokeball because they always seem to know what the current situation is.

CyberCubed

01-05-2008, 09:29 PM

You know, its really wierd how much Ash has changed over the years that he never bothers to capture a new Pokemon anymore. He could have caught that Hippo but chose not to.

Nowadays a Pokemon practically has to beg Ash to be captured by him. Its pretty funny because Ash didn't want Turtwig either until Turtwig followed and begged to battle him. Nor did Ash want to capture Aipom either.

Heck, the only Sinnoh capture Ash wanted was Starly/Staravia, and that's only because he needed to scout the skies for Pikachu.

sdp

01-05-2008, 10:34 PM

Maybe it was just me but I felt todays episode kept going to end only for the "adventure" to keep going with so many TR captures, it made a generic episode a bit more entertaining.

You know, its really wierd how much Ash has changed over the years that he never bothers to capture a new Pokemon anymore. He could have caught that Hippo but chose not to.

Nowadays a Pokemon practically has to beg Ash to be captured by him. Its pretty funny because Ash didn't want Turtwig either until Turtwig followed and begged to battle him. Nor did Ash want to capture Aipom either.

Heck, the only Sinnoh capture Ash wanted was Starly/Staravia, and that's only because he needed to scout the skies for Pikachu.

Its kind of a shame too, as much as everyone hated (including me) when he released Pokemon it was more interesting to see his line up change somewhat isntead of only 6 in Hoenn.

CyberCubed

01-05-2008, 10:43 PM

^ It makes me wonder if that's why they did that.

When Season 1 was originally airing everyone complained how Ash released too many Pokemon and barely evolved his Pokemon. This continued into Johto where he didn't really evolve his Pokemon either, only Chikorita evolved into Bayleef.

I guess that's why Ash had so many evolutions in Hoenn/Battle Frontier, the writers knew that's what the fans wanted so they finally had Ash progress as a trainer and battle with fully evolved Pokemon.

I'm sure as D/P goes on we'll see the majority of his Pokemon evolve now too which is why his captures are so limited. They pretty much want the group to focus on a small core team of Pokemon rather than get a huge number. Even Dawn and Brock don't capture that many Pokemon, and May only had 7 Pokemon during her entire run.

RonDrakenfan17

01-06-2008, 02:59 PM

I really enjoyed this episode a lot. The animation was great and the voice acting is doing an exellent job. Did any one notice how they were using season ones songs this episode? It was pretty cool. Ash was so adorable this episode, seeing him help that Pokemon. Every one was funny this episode. I loved seeing James help Jessie do the motto when she was a sleep. Also loved how Jessie kept mistaking the Pokemons name over and over agian LOL. Its one of the best thus far.

Light Lucario

01-06-2008, 04:09 PM

This raises a question. Do most Pokemon ever sleep in their pokeballs? I know they can hear every thing thats going on outside the pokeball because they always seem to know what the current situation is.

That's a good question. They could be sleeping, but maybe they're aware with what's happening around them. Croagunk hasn't been the only Pokemon to come out on its own. Psyduck, Skitty and Snorunt came out of their Pokeballs quite often. The Pokemon might just be storing their energy, but not be asleep.

You know, its really wierd how much Ash has changed over the years that he never bothers to capture a new Pokemon anymore. He could have caught that Hippo but chose not to.

Nowadays a Pokemon practically has to beg Ash to be captured by him. Its pretty funny because Ash didn't want Turtwig either until Turtwig followed and begged to battle him. Nor did Ash want to capture Aipom either.

Heck, the only Sinnoh capture Ash wanted was Starly/Staravia, and that's only because he needed to scout the skies for Pikachu.

You bring up a good point. It almost looked at the beginning of the episode that Hippopotas wanted to just follow Ash like Turtwig did before he caught it. I'm guessing that Ash was more focused on getting Hippopotas back to his friends than catching it. I totally forgot how he caught Turtwig and Aipom until you mentioned it. Maybe the writers have him capture Pokemon like that since it might be kind of borning for him to just go up and catch a Pokemon. He appears to feel a connection with most of his Pokemon before he feels the desire to catch them.

^ It makes me wonder if that's why they did that.

When Season 1 was originally airing everyone complained how Ash released too many Pokemon and barely evolved his Pokemon. This continued into Johto where he didn't really evolve his Pokemon either, only Chikorita evolved into Bayleef.

I guess that's why Ash had so many evolutions in Hoenn/Battle Frontier, the writers knew that's what the fans wanted so they finally had Ash progress as a trainer and battle with fully evolved Pokemon.

I'm sure as D/P goes on we'll see the majority of his Pokemon evolve now too which is why his captures are so limited. They pretty much want the group to focus on a small core team of Pokemon rather than get a huge number. Even Dawn and Brock don't capture that many Pokemon, and May only had 7 Pokemon during her entire run.

From what I remembered, Ash only released Butterfree and Pidgeot during season one. He did also release Lapras, but that was season two with the Orange Islands. Still, I was also kind of disappointed that his Pokemon barely evolved, even though Bulbasaur and Squirtle were strong enough without having to evolve. I was disappointed that Bayleef was the only one to evolve during Johto. It was great that he had more evolved Pokemon for his Advance/Battle Froniter team. Not only did that allow him to shine as a trainer and show his growth, but it was just nice to see more of his Pokemon evolving. That showed how strong that they were as well.

I hope that his limited captures mean that there will be more evolutions too. Its probably easier for the writers to do that with a small group of Pokemon than with a large bunch of them. It would also be great if Brock and Dawn had some evolutions on their teams. Of course, Brock already had one evolution in D/P so far. I don't really mind if a Pokemon doesn't evolve, especially if they're already really strong to begin with, such as Pikachu, or if they simply do not want to evolve, such as Bulbasaur. I'm just thinking that Ash's Advance/Battle Froniter team was his best team yet partly because of the evolutions. It also helped that Ash spent time teaching them attacks, which I imagine will be the case with his new Pokemon in D/P.

yoshirider13

01-06-2008, 04:48 PM

bigddan11

01-06-2008, 08:42 PM

That's a good question. They could be sleeping, but maybe they're aware with what's happening around them. Croagunk hasn't been the only Pokemon to come out on its own. Psyduck, Skitty and Snorunt came out of their Pokeballs quite often. The Pokemon might just be storing their energy, but not be asleep.
You seem to be forgetting Wobbufett (or however it's spelled).

Lutochris

01-07-2008, 03:54 AM

Uh...no, in Japan they record dialogue first because the actors usually record together (like with DCAU shows).

I'm sorry but this is incorrect. I don't know about them recording together, but in Japan they traditionally record after animation is complete (or sometimes while it's semi-complete). I've heard nothing to suggest that Pokemon is different.

Master Moltar

01-07-2008, 03:53 PM

It looks like they're airing 2 new episodes on 1/26

Sandshrew's Locker and Dawn's Early Light are the titles

Space Cadet

01-07-2008, 04:12 PM

It looks like they're airing 2 new episodes on 1/26

Sandshrew's Locker and Dawn's Early Light are the titles

Well, CN doesn't care that the English dub is catching up to the Japanese version.:p

D Dubbs

01-07-2008, 05:30 PM

It looks like they're airing 2 new episodes on 1/26

Sandshrew's Locker and Dawn's Early Light are the titles

Hmm...that's interesting. So the new episodes are still in the same time slots, right? Ugh, now I have to walk up a half hour earlier...

And "Sandshrew's Locker"...wait, is that even a pun?

Daxdiv

01-07-2008, 05:33 PM

Well, CN doesn't care that the English dub is catching up to the Japanese version.:p

That makes me question if CN even keeps track of such thing like how far foriegn show have any episode gaps from it native country, or if they see something like that as trivial. I think they just air what they got obviously.

As for the Hippopotas episode I found it enjoyable, especially the Yawn being used on everyone, Jessie mispronoucing Hippopotas' name everytime, seeing Brock eyes while hitting on Nurse Joy. My few complaints are the fact that he didn't catch Hippopotas, but that does show how far Ash is as a person, the second where were Mime Jr. and Wobbufett during the episode?

As for that second Episode "Dawn's Early Light" that was reveal I wonder if it going to be either:

The Clip Show AKA Japanese Title "Ash and Dawn! Facing a New Adventure!!" or the third official Contest for Dawn AKA "Pokemon Contest! Hearthome Convention! Mind you I changed to the English name where appropriate.

Lazerboy5000

01-07-2008, 09:44 PM

Oaky, so the fillers are starting to get to me a bit.
We've had some oaky fillers so far in D/P, but this one just didn't get to me.

But seeing how the gang keeps bumping into the Sinnoh now crew keeps it from being a complete distaster. But, now that the Sinnoh now crew actually remembers their names, Ash and Dawn might become famous in the Sinnoh region quicker than they think.

Ash (to Hoppopotas): "I'm Ash from Pallet Town"
*facepalm* do you really need to tell to pokemon where you're from?

I just wish they would get to Hearthome city sooner... 2/5

It looks like they're airing 2 new episodes on 1/26

Sandshrew's Locker and Dawn's Early Light are the titles
Do you have a source, please?

But maybe this way I will suffer less from massive filler arks... :sweat:

Hmm...that's interesting. So the new episodes are still in the same time slots, right? Ugh, now I have to walk up a half hour earlier...

And "Sandshrew's Locker"...wait, is that even a pun?
Wake...

Perhaps it's a pun... but it's not well thought out.
But I did find this for Dawn's Early Light (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/By_Dawn's_Early_Light).

D Dubbs

01-07-2008, 09:50 PM

Do you have a source, please?

But maybe this way I will suffer less from massive filler arks... :sweat:

Master Moltar never lies!

But seriously, he has access to advanced programming grids that we can't see, so yeah, you can trust him.

Lazerboy5000

01-07-2008, 09:57 PM

Master Moltar never lies!

But seriously, he has access to advanced programming grids that we can't see, so yeah, you can trust him.
I didn't accuse him of lying, I was just wondering if he had something I could look at.

As for the double premire, I think I know why CN is doing it.
After looking a seberii notes (cause I was going to add the episode on the title page) I noticed that "Dawn's Early Light" or "Ash & Dawn! head for a New Adventure" (Japenese title) is a recap episode.
so CN appears to just be getting this episode out of the way.

D Dubbs

01-07-2008, 10:02 PM

As for the double premire, I think I know why CN is doing it.
After looking a seberii notes (cause I was going to add the episode on the title page) I noticed that "Dawn's Early Light" or "Ash & Dawn! head for a New Adventure" (Japenese title) is a recap episode.
so CN appears to just be getting this episode out of the way.

Actually, Daxdiv already mentioned that above in a spoiler box. :sweat:

But as long as its out of the bag...crap, a recap episode? I almost want PUSA to skip the damn thing (I recall 4Kids skipping the recap back in Hoenn...).

CyberCubed

01-07-2008, 10:18 PM

Keep in mind "Dawn's Early Light" could be referring to Dawn's next Contest, which is after the "clip show."

All the clip show does is recap the events of D/P so far and show off Ash's Gym battles against Roark/Gardenia and Dawn's first few contests...so its rather pointless and I hope PUSA skips it.

D Dubbs

01-07-2008, 10:28 PM

Daxdiv

01-07-2008, 10:48 PM

I can understand the usefulness of a recap towards the end of the arc, like in Hoenn, but why have one after only a few contests and gym battles? Does that mean we'll get a recap every two badges? Seriously, this just suggests laziness on the part of the producers.

That why I wished they skipped it, since we are moving at a snail pace and also for another spoilerific reason

Ash getting Paul's Chimchar after releases it due to it not meeting his high standard, through the three part tag team fight, and the episode following it that mini-arc called "Chimchar's Tears" which I think would make a more fitting end to the American season since it gives viewers what they expected, Chimchar gets added and now has to adapt to Ash's and friends lifestyle instead of the one he lived through with Paul

I think the lazyness come from the fact they're waiting for Diamond and Pearl's 3rd game to come out and use some material from that like in Hoenn Saga when Ash went for his 8th badge he had to face Juan like the player had to in Emerald, instead of Wallace like most people who played Ruby and Sapphire did.

CyberCubed

01-07-2008, 11:18 PM

Tash

01-08-2008, 01:25 AM

I think that "Dawn's Early Light" does refer to the contest episode.
Because her appeal during it involves having Pachirisu use an electric attack on Piplup's Whirlpool to make it light up

Lazerboy5000

01-08-2008, 09:14 AM

Yash

01-08-2008, 04:07 PM

Ash getting Paul's Chimchar after releases it due to it not meeting his high standard, through the three part tag team fight, and the episode following it that mini-arc called "Chimchar's Tears" which I think would make a more fitting end to the American season since it gives viewers what they expected, Chimchar gets added and now has to adapt to Ash's and friends lifestyle instead of the one he lived through with Paul
Actually, the end of the season would be a filler episode called "Luxray's Eyes." Since PUSA only dubbed 47 episodes of Battle Frontier, the first 5 episodes of Diamond & Pearl would be included in season 9.

yoshirider13

01-08-2008, 07:39 PM

Actually, the end of the season would be a filler episode called "Luxray's Eyes." Since PUSA only dubbed 47 episodes of Battle Frontier, the first 5 episodes of Diamond & Pearl would be included in season 9.Thats not how there doing it though. Even CN referred these episodes as "the newest season"

D Dubbs

01-08-2008, 09:20 PM

Thats not how there doing it though. Even CN referred these episodes as "the newest season"

Heh, if Dogasu was online, he'd totally kill you.

Pokemon has always had 52 episodes per season. I'd doubt PUSA would actually change it to 47, but I guess we won't know for sure until we get to that point.

Besides, CN hasn't always been completely accurate with their advertisements. Like this past year when they advertised the last episode of Ed Edd 'n' Eddy, even though there was another new one airing two weeks later.

yoshirider13

01-08-2008, 09:45 PM

Heh, if Dogasu was online, he'd totally kill you.

Pokemon has always had 52 episodes per season. I'd doubt PUSA would actually change it to 47, but I guess we won't know for sure until we get to that point.

Besides, CN hasn't always been completely accurate with their advertisements. Like this past year when they advertised the last episode of Ed Edd 'n' Eddy, even though there was another new one airing two weeks later.
Whatever, were probably gonna get a new op on episode 53 of DP. Which I consider as a new season. i dont care if anyone else agrees with that way.

Rolling Cloud

01-08-2008, 10:51 PM

Whatever, we're probably gonna get a new op on episode 53 of DP.

A new dub OP? Thank the lord, I couldn't stand the current one. :anime:

Mr. Ralph

01-08-2008, 11:01 PM

i just wish the openings were longer than 30 seconds.:shrug:

Light Lucario

01-09-2008, 08:55 PM

Well he also released Primape. But yeah, I think Ash should have captured haunter, it would have been a nice diversion from his usual team. infact, I don't think any of the main heroes have owned a ghost pokemon. (the Sabrina episodes don't count since Ash didn't physically capture it in his pokeballs)

I completely forgot about Primape. Ash had it for like three or four episodes before releasing it. That was too bad since it just started to listen to him too. Oh well. Haunter would have been an interesting member of his team, but it really didn't seem interested in being with Ash once they got back to Saffron City.

You seem to be forgetting Wobbufett (or however it's spelled).

Oh yeah. I forgot about Wobbufett. I also forgot that Mime Jr. and Muchlax can jump out of their Pokeballs too.

It's interesting that CN will show two episodes at the end of the month. I guess that it could be related to Dawn's Contest, but I really hope that it isn't a clip-show episodes. Those are usually pretty darn borning, unless something important happens during all of the clips/flashbacks.

Whatever, were probably gonna get a new op on episode 53 of DP. Which I consider as a new season. i dont care if anyone else agrees with that way.

I don't know when they'll decide on having a new opening theme, but I consider, for an anime at least, that whenever they have a new opening is when the new season begins.

A new dub OP? Thank the lord, I couldn't stand the current one. :anime:

I agree. I feel the same way about the current opening. I try to tune it out until they get to the scene with Lucario, Palika and Diliga and then tune it out again when they continue with the song. Whenever we have a new opening, I hope that its at least somewhat decent, which would be a huge improvement over this opening theme.

i just wish the openings were longer than 30 seconds.:shrug:

That would be pretty cool, but I think that most opening themes are that long so that they can show more commercials. The only series that I can think of that have longer opening themes, aside from every anime series on AS, are Naruto and One Piece.

yoshirider13

01-09-2008, 09:59 PM

Yeah well I don't care if its 30 seconds or longer. I just hope they don't make another rap. And it wouldn't hurt to have a female singer for once i guess...

D Dubbs

01-09-2008, 10:31 PM

Yeah well I don't care if its 30 seconds or longer. I just hope they don't make another rap. And it wouldn't hurt to have a female singer for once i guess...

I really don't know what PUSA was thinking when they made the D&P rap. It's basically the exact opposite of the original D&P opening (http://youtube.com/watch?v=EStak8Z6MII), which has a nice bubbly, J-pop feel to it.

Speaking of openings, is Japan still using "Together," or do they have a new one?

Rolling Cloud

01-09-2008, 10:41 PM

I really don't know what PUSA was thinking when they made the D&P rap. It's basically the exact opposite of the original D&P opening (http://youtube.com/watch?v=EStak8Z6MII), which has a nice bubbly, J-pop feel to it.

Speaking of openings, is Japan still using "Together," or do they have a new one?

Yes, Japan is still using Together, (which has grown on me).

The ED though, is changing next episode.

D Dubbs

01-09-2008, 10:44 PM

Yes, Japan is still using Together, (which has grown on me).

The ED though, is changing next episode.

So, the opening is still the same after 16 months? Wow, I thought they changed more often than that.

But wait, can PUSA even make a new opening if they don't have a new one in Japan? They've always used visuals from the Japanese openings in the past, so it would be weird if we got a new one before Japan...

yoshirider13

01-09-2008, 11:26 PM

So, the opening is still the same after 16 months? Wow, I thought they changed more often than that.

But wait, can PUSA even make a new opening if they don't have a new one in Japan? They've always used visuals from the Japanese openings in the past, so it would be weird if we got a new one before Japan...Well they could always just use clips from episodes and clips they didn't use yet. Kinda like what Viz did with the 3rd Naruto opening.

Yash

01-09-2008, 11:31 PM

Whatever, were probably gonna get a new op on episode 53 of DP. Which I consider as a new season. i dont care if anyone else agrees with that way.
I really doubt we're getting a new OP anytime soon.

Japan hasn't changed from Together yet, why would PUSA? 4Kids used the Master Quest theme until Advanced Generation had begun, so it's not like they oblige themselves to change the OP every 52 episodes.

Daxdiv

01-10-2008, 01:58 AM

The only change they do for Together, is just adding Pokemon to the main cast's party. Though if they do use a new opening I hope it is along the lines of Battle Frontier one. I don't care what anyone says... That is my favorite theme ever for the English dub. The rap not too much.

Lazerboy5000

01-10-2008, 09:04 AM

Yeah well I don't care if its 30 seconds or longer. I just hope they don't make another rap. And it wouldn't hurt to have a female singer for once i guess...
I don’t think the English opening has ever been sung by a female. But, if it has been 52 episodes, than we should be getting a new opening anyways.

Rolling Cloud

01-10-2008, 06:14 PM

1) The new pokemon ED is great, 'nough said! ^_^

2) Apparently, the title "Dawn's Early Light" does refer to the contest episode. Way I know this is, I was looking at Dogasu's site and the episode list didn't give an english title for the clip show episode.

PUSA cut it. =/

D Dubbs

01-10-2008, 06:20 PM

That's interesting. How does Dogasu know? Is he just speculating?

Light Lucario

01-10-2008, 09:10 PM

I really doubt we're getting a new OP anytime soon.

Japan hasn't changed from Together yet, why would PUSA? 4Kids used the Master Quest theme until Advanced Generation had begun, so it's not like they oblige themselves to change the OP every 52 episodes.

That's a good point there, Yash. I forgot that Master Quest had a total of 64 episodes, all with the same opening theme. I know that they kept the first opening theme until the Orange Islands saga started, which was way over 52 episodes, and I think that the other Johto seasons were less than 52 episodes, but I'm not sure. If Japan hasn't had a new opening theme yet, I don't know why PUSA would. They could either use different clips during the song to make it a bit different. It could also be that by the time CN airs episode 53 of D/P, Japan will have a different opening and then PUSA will have a different opening theme.

1) The new pokemon ED is great, 'nough said! ^_^

2) Apparently, the title "Dawn's Early Light" does refer to the contest episode. Way I know this is, I was looking at Dogasu's site and the episode list didn't give an english title for the clip show episode.

PUSA cut it. =/

I forgot that they aired a new ending theme in Japan yesterday. While I dislike spoilers, I'll probably listen to it like I did with the new opening and ending themes to GX. Without looking at the pictures as much as I humanly can. I'm a curious person like that.

It could be speculation like D Dubbs said, but it also could be that Dogasu might know that the episode title does, in fact, refer to the contest episode. A clip episode would be kind of boring, unless something actually happens during all of the clips/flashbacks. It would explain why Pokemon gets two new episodes on the 26th. That or it is doing well enough for two back-to-back premiers.

D Dubbs

01-10-2008, 10:10 PM

I forgot that they aired a new ending theme in Japan yesterday. While I dislike spoilers, I'll probably listen to it like I did with the new opening and ending themes to GX. Without looking at the pictures as much as I humanly can. I'm a curious person like that.

Actually, there don't appear to be any spoilers, so you can watch it without worrying about that: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZxDnyDsBTfE (http://youtube.com/watch?v=tAlt_0YMrSM)(Thanks for the link, ChibiGoku!)

It's a pretty decent ending. I could see PUSA using footage from it if they wanted to create a new opening, since this new ending kinda feels like an opening.

Terror of Death

01-10-2008, 10:14 PM

So episode 53 is still going to have the title Diamond and Pearl, right? They wont go the 4kids route and have new titles like Johto League Champions, Advanced Challange, etc?

Rolling Cloud

01-10-2008, 10:17 PM

Actually, there don't appear to be any spoilers, so you can watch it without worrying about that: http://youtube.com/watch?v=tAlt_0YMrSM (Thanks for the link, ChibiGoku!)

actually, there's just three spoilers in it.

Chimchar is shown with Ash's team and Aipom's evolved form is shown too. And Buizel is with Ash.

D Dubbs

01-10-2008, 10:21 PM

So episode 53 is still going to have the title Diamond and Pearl, right? They wont go the 4kids route and have new titles like Johto League Champions, Advanced Challange, etc?

Depends. I imagine that since we're starting double premieres, there's going to be a fairly large rerun gap in the near future once this season finishes up. That said, PUSA may want to add a subtitle to Diamond and Pearl so CN can advertise it as a new season. And if we get a new dub opening that probably means we'll get a new title as well.

actually, there's just three spoilers in it.

Chimchar is shown with Ash's team and Aipom's evolved form is shown too. And Buizel is with Ash.

Oh. Well, let me rephrase that: unless you pay really close attention, you won't notice any spoilers. But do it at your own risk, I guess.

Lazerboy5000

01-11-2008, 09:16 AM

That's interesting. How does Dogasu know? Is he just speculating?
He probably just has some inside information. You can trust Dogasu.

I'll have to try the link out at home, because I'm at school right now, and YouTube is blocked here.

Tash

01-11-2008, 05:06 PM

He probably just has some inside information. You can trust Dogasu.
That, or he's using common sense. Like I said in an earlier post, the title is a pun that goes along with the content of the contest episode, but not the content of the clipshow.

D Dubbs

01-12-2008, 12:36 AM

Well, CN's online schedule has been updated with the new titles, and apparently the actual title is "Dawn's Early Night." TV Guide's schedule also has this same title.

Dogasu

01-12-2008, 01:17 AM

Of course in the case of Pokemon there's other changes that would need to be made (music, etc), but if they wanted to there's no reason they couldn't have the English version finished not long after the Japanese.

Except there's really no incentive for PUSA to push themselves like that. The show's ratings are probably about as good as they're going to get, and busting their asses to pump out episodes even faster than they already are won't significantly change anything.

There's also the fact that it would be a lot cheaper for PUSA to rent a studio once every few weeks to record a large batch of episodes than it would to rent out a studio once a week to keep up with the Japanese premieres.

I can understand the usefulness of a recap towards the end of the arc, like in Hoenn, but why have one after only a few contests and gym battles? Does that mean we'll get a recap every two badges? Seriously, this just suggests laziness on the part of the producers.

They don't have reruns of Diamond & Pearl in Japan, so a recap after a year or so isn't all that crazy.

Actually, the end of the season would be a filler episode called "Luxray's Eyes." Since PUSA only dubbed 47 episodes of Battle Frontier, the first 5 episodes of Diamond & Pearl would be included in season 9.

Thats not how there doing it though. Even CN referred these episodes as "the newest season"

The early programming grids referred to the first five DP episodes (before they were assigned titles) as "948," "949," "950," etc. And it's no coincidence that the first DP episodes we happened to find out the titles for were those first five episodes.

Somewhere along the way, it seems like both CN and PUSA decided that it would be easier (and less confusing to the fans) to just refer to all of the episodes of DP that have aired so far as "Season 10." Which means that CN got cheated out of five episodes from their Season 9 order :/

Of course, this is all assuming that CN is ordering the show in 52 episode batches. And, at this point, there doesn't seem to be any reason to believe otherwise.

I really don't know what PUSA was thinking when they made the D&P rap.

I feel that the PUSA opening is more rock that rap, personally.

So, the opening is still the same after 16 months? Wow, I thought they changed more often than that.Usually, but the first opening of each series always lasts longer for some reason. The first opening theme to the first series, Mezase Pokemon Master, lasted 80 episodes. The first opening theme to the second series, Advance Adventure, lasted 69 episodes.

We're 62 episodes into Diamond & Pearl, so hopefully the opening theme will change soon.

But wait, can PUSA even make a new opening if they don't have a new one in Japan? They've always used visuals from the Japanese openings in the past, so it would be weird if we got a new one before Japan...They could just pull a 4Kids and have the Japanese animators create brand new animation for them. That's what happened with the Johto League Champions opening...4Kids (presumably) didn't want to spend the time to remove all the pokemon's Japanese names from the opening, so they just had the animators in Japan create all new scenes.

2) Apparently, the title "Dawn's Early Light" does refer to the contest episode. Way I know this is, I was looking at Dogasu's site and the episode list didn't give an english title for the clip show episode.

That's interesting. How does Dogasu know? Is he just speculating?

Just speculating. Adding to what Tash said, "Dawn's Early Light" works as a title for DP 049 since it's the episode where Hikari loses during the Appeals round...in other words, she has to leave the Contest "early."

D Dubbs

01-12-2008, 10:08 AM

yoshirider13

01-12-2008, 10:12 AM

That was an interesting episode. Overall, nothing really significant happened, but it was pretty cool to see Gary, Professor Rowan and Hunter J again. And Gary seemed much more useful here than in that Chronicles episode. Speaking of that Chronicles episodes, were those laboratory assistants the same ones that Gary had before?

Also noticed a bit more Japanese music in this one (sounded like there was music from Movie 5) so that's good.

And did anyone else go O_o when the grunt referred to Hunter J, as "sir"? He did that, like, 5 times.

Oh, and looks like TAJ dubbed this episode, too.

I agree with all of your post. i was loling the first time the guy called her "sir" but then he called her "sir" a few times after so i was confused. And they used one of my favorite songs from the 9th pokemon movie in this episode! ^_^ (the song that starts when the Salamance arrived at Ash and Gary)

Dogasu

01-12-2008, 10:17 AM

And did anyone else go O_o when the grunt referred to Hunter J, as "sir"? He did that, like, 5 times.

They did that in the first episode she appeared in as well.

It's not unusual for a woman to be called "sir" when she's in a commanding officer-like position.

Oh, and looks like TAJ dubbed this episode, too.

They're probably going to continue being used until the end of the current season.

sdp

01-12-2008, 10:56 AM

zoombie

01-12-2008, 11:22 AM

Who do you think is the mystery client of Hunter J? Will we ever find out who he is?

Speaking of clients, I think at some point Team Galactic is going to hire Hunter J. It makes all the sense in the world.

Terror of Death

01-12-2008, 11:43 AM

Who do you think is the mystery client of Hunter J? Will we ever find out who he is?

Probably not. She said she wasnt going to continue doing business with him. Plus they didnt use the animation angle where you can only see the lower portion of the persons face.

RonDrakenfan17

01-12-2008, 05:22 PM

I think I remember enjoying Pokemon hunter J's first episode a lot more, didn't like her appearance here appearance so much. I still enjoyed the episode a lot thanks to Gary though. For a bit I thought Rowan was the buyer as a plot twist to "catch" her. Dawn seems to have a crush on Gary.

Dawn doesn't have a crush on Gary, she just thinks its cool how he's a poet like his gramps even though he really isn't LOL. That part really buged me, that was not a poeome at the end that Gary did. Maybe Dawn is loosing brain cells some how, too much dealing with JessieXD
Speaking of which Jessie wasn't that smart in todays episode either. Come on Jessie you should know better, James and Meowth even knew. Animation was good and I did enjoy the interaction between Ash and Gary, throw in Paul and that would have made it twice as fun. The battle at the end was cool, but I have to admit I did enjoy the first appearnce of J more than this one but it was still fun to watch. It was neat how Brock had to explaine to Dawn who Gary was, I don't know why I just found it neat :sweat:
When does that tag battle episode air? I can't wait for that three parter one :D

Light Lucario

01-12-2008, 06:36 PM

Actually, there don't appear to be any spoilers, so you can watch it without worrying about that: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZxDnyDsBTfE (http://youtube.com/watch?v=tAlt_0YMrSM)(Thanks for the link, ChibiGoku!)

It's a pretty decent ending. I could see PUSA using footage from it if they wanted to create a new opening, since this new ending kinda feels like an opening.

I kind of felt that there would be spoilers here, so I just listen to it. I definitely enjoyed it. If PUSA did want to have a different opening for a new season, I could see them doing that or going the 4Kids route and asking Japan to create brand new openings for them. That probably wouldn't be too hard for them to ask of the Japanese animators.

Depends. I imagine that since we're starting double premieres, there's going to be a fairly large rerun gap in the near future once this season finishes up. That said, PUSA may want to add a subtitle to Diamond and Pearl so CN can advertise it as a new season. And if we get a new dub opening that probably means we'll get a new title as well.

That's a good point. Once this season is done with, I'm sure CN would prefer it if they could advertise the new episodes afterwards as a new season. Besides that, by the time they have enough episodes of the next season ready to air, Japan will probably have a new opening and they'll probably create a new one to match.

They're probably going to continue being used until the end of the current season.

I agree. The studio change won't take into effect until the next season, especially since TAJ is still in the credits.

I enjoyed today's episode. It was nice to see Gary again. I actually missed his appearance in Battle Frontier and it was amazing to see his Eletrivire and to see how big that thing was. Anyway, it was nice to see how much he has matured over the course of the series, especially when you remember how he was when Pokemon just started. Sheildon was a really cute Pokemon, but I'm surprised that no one mentioned that it was a fossil Pokemon. Every other time Ash and his friends have seen living ancient Pokemon, which I believe Sheildon follow under, they're always surprised, but they were just referred as rare Pokemon. Weird, but that's okay.

I liked how Gary used that laptop as a way to communicate with Prof. Rowan, whom we also haven't seen in quite a while. I liked how it was just a small group of Sheildon they were protecting since it would have been harder to help them if there were much more than four. It was great to see Gary and Ash interact again and they always have different ways of doing things. Ash wanted to go through the goons, while Gary wanted to make a plain first.

And that brings me up to Pokemon Hunter J. I loved her first appearance and this one was great too. One reason why I think other prefer her first appearance was because of how she was capturing many Pokemon during the whole episode, including Pikachu, which gave Ash an emotional rush to save it, and Meowth, which had a similar effect on Jessie and James. Here, she's only trying to capture Sheildon. Besides that, I don't think we got to see as much of her here as in her first appearance.

Anyway, seeing Gary's Pokemon back in action was great, especially his Blastiose, which we haven't seen since Master Quest, and his Umbreon, which we haven't seen since that Pokemon Chronicles episode. It would have been cool if Ash had used some of his other Pokemon, instead of just Pikachu, but it still worked out great.

The battle between Hunter J and Ash and Gary was great. I loved how intense the attacks were and how seriously strong J's Pokemon are. I felt so sad when she got a hold of that poor Sheildon. I'm glad that Ash, Gary and Pikachu got under the tank and got to J's secret base. It was so awesome to see their Pokemon attacking and destroying the base, not to mention how awesome it was when Umbreon and Pikachu actually attacked some of the goons. Sheildon looked so cute when it huged Ash for saving it. It was interesting how J's buyer cut off the deal right when he saw Officer Jenny on the way. Too bad that Ash and Gary didn't try to stop J or at least delay her until help arrived, but they probably didn't want to push their luck with risking losing Sheildon again. It was great for Ash and Gary to shake hands at the end and be such good friends.

A couple of the weird parts of the episode was when Jessie thought that security camera was a television camera. I know that she's full of herself and she loves the idea of being on television, but it was painfully obviously that it was a security camera. Oh well. It was also kind of weird how Dawn kept on associating Prof. Oak with his poems and thought that Gary would also have poems. I'm sure that Prof. Oak's research is more famous than his poems, but maybe she just pays more attention to the poems.

Overall, it was great episode and I enjoyed it so much. While Paul is a much better rival than Gary was, I wouldn't mind seeing Gary a bit more, especially since he can team up with Ash quite nicely. I think this is one of the best D/P episodes thus far.

Daxdiv

01-13-2008, 03:04 AM

When does that tag battle episode air? I can't wait for that three parter one :D

If we're lucky we might see it in

about 3-4 more episodes, 3 if we skip the clipshow, and 4 if we don't. Provided of course that PUSA has done the dubbing for them.

CyberCubed

01-13-2008, 08:24 PM

Its nice to see how Gary has changed over the years. Funny how this is only Gary's what...fourth episode on the show since the end of Johto? I wonder what prompted the writers to suddenly bring his character back after he's been gone for such a large number of years?

D Dubbs

01-13-2008, 09:57 PM

Its nice to see how Gary has changed over the years. Funny how this is only Gary's what...fourth episode on the show since the end of Johto?

No, it's been fewer than that. He was in one Chronicles episode (which isn't even part of the main series), made one appearance at the end of Battle Frontier, and then there's this episode.

I wonder what prompted the writers to suddenly bring his character back after he's been gone for such a large number of years?Well, in Battle Frontier, it was mentioned that Sinnoh is where Gary is doing his research, so it makes sense that Ash and gang would run into him eventually.

yoshirider13

01-13-2008, 10:07 PM

No, it's been fewer than that. He was in one Chronicles episode (which isn't even part of the main series), made one appearance at the end of Battle Frontier, and then there's this episode.

Well, in Battle Frontier, it was mentioned that Sinnoh is where Gary is doing his research, so it makes sense that Ash and gang would run into him eventually.Yeah but they could have picked anyone, or not choose to do it at all. Personally, it would have been awesome to see Misty travel to Sinnoh to do some sort of plot quest. Something that lasts more then 3 episode ;)

CyberCubed

01-13-2008, 10:27 PM

Well, in Battle Frontier, it was mentioned that Sinnoh is where Gary is doing his research, so it makes sense that Ash and gang would run into him eventually.

Yeah I know, but obviously when they wrote the end of BF they planned to have him show up in D/P. Its just wierd since a lot of people thought Gary was a done character after that Chronicles episode and now all of a sudden he comes back. Especially with Paul around now, Gary seems kind of out of place. Not that I'm complaining as I'm glad to see him again, it just seems a little random if you ask me.

Yeah but they could have picked anyone, or not choose to do it at all. Personally, it would have been awesome to see Misty travel to Sinnoh to do some sort of plot quest. Something that lasts more then 3 episode ;)

I can't see Misty showing up in Sinnoh at this point, the only reason she showed up in Hoenn was because the writers wanted to finally evolve Togepi and have her release it. The other thing is Misty's character is nowhere near as popular as she used to be, hence why her appearances have become less and less over the years. She's arguably become the least popular main female in the fandom, so I'd be very surprised to see her make any sort of appearance while we're still in Sinnoh. We should see her again when Ash returns to Pallet Town after Sinnoh ends, but that won't be for a number of years yet.

D Dubbs

01-13-2008, 11:44 PM

I can't see Misty showing up in Sinnoh at this point, the only reason she showed up in Hoenn was because the writers wanted to finally evolve Togepi and have her release it. The other thing is Misty's character is nowhere near as popular as she used to be, hence why her appearances have become less and less over the years. She's arguably become the least popular main female in the fandom, so I'd be very surprised to see her make any sort of appearance while we're still in Sinnoh. We should see her again when Ash returns to Pallet Town after Sinnoh ends, but that won't be for a number of years yet.

I don't think it's completely out of the question to have Misty guest star in a couple of D&P episodes. Like you said, Gary wasn't exactly one of the most popular characters either. Most people thought he was gone for good, but now he's meeting up with Ash from time to time.

Plus, if they keep up this pace of 20 episodes between gyms, they're going to need to use old characters to fill in the gaps... :p :sweat:

zoombie

01-14-2008, 12:35 AM

I would love to see Misty make a return, and if so for them to have a run in with Team Rocket, and see there reaction to the head twirbs girlfriend return. I loved it when they tease the idea of a Ash / Misty relationship.

Anyone notice that in this past episode the main focus was on Ash and Gary teaming up, while Brock and Dawn were pushed into the background. I almost fogot they were there.

CyberCubed

01-14-2008, 12:37 AM

I loved it when they tease the idea of a Ash / Misty relationship.

They haven't done that since the end of Johto though, the writers never brought this up during the newer seasons.

Anyone notice that in this past episode the main focus was on Ash and Gary teaming up, while Brock and Dawn were pushed into the background. I almost fogot they were there.

Probably because they wanted Ash and Gary to be the focus, and poor Brock never gets to do anything anyway! :sweat:

zoombie

01-14-2008, 12:43 AM

They haven't done that since the end of Johto though, the writers never brought this up during the newer seasons.

Too bad, Team Rocket were hillarous when they did stuff like that. At least I hope they would say something like "It is her, the original twerbette."

CyberCubed

01-14-2008, 02:22 PM

Speaking of which, is there any reason the writers stopped doing those specials? I'm talking about Pokemon Chronicles, did these specials do badly when they aired in Japan or anything?

One of the reasons I believe we'll see far less of the older characters now is because they don't make those specials anymore. The cast was pretty limited back then because all they really had was Misty and Tracey, and they filled out the time with pointless characters nobody cares about like Richie and Casey, but now they have a much larger cast to make specials about for older characters.

It seems to me that the writers now realize this show is probably going to go on for a large number of years yet so there's no point bringing up older characters who haven't been around for awhile now. Its why Gary's comeback was somewhat surprising, but he's only been in one ep so far. There's too many main characters now so it makes sense to phase some of them out given how we won't be seeing them much anyway.

Lutochris

01-14-2008, 03:45 PM

I know he's supposed to have changed/grown and all, but I really don't like "nice" Gary.

It's weird that we had all these major powers and recurring characters come together for this episode, yet by the end nothing of any consequence happened, and we didn't even learn anything significantly new. I guess I shouldn't really be surprised.

Except there's really no incentive for PUSA to push themselves like that. The show's ratings are probably about as good as they're going to get, and busting their asses to pump out episodes even faster than they already are won't significantly change anything.

There's also the fact that it would be a lot cheaper for PUSA to rent a studio once every few weeks to record a large batch of episodes than it would to rent out a studio once a week to keep up with the Japanese premieres.

Which is why I prefaced my statement with "if they wanted to". Though I really think that if they consolidated the production of the dub together with the original, they probably could save some money, and get the episodes out quicker at the same time.

Dogasu

01-14-2008, 04:29 PM

Master Moltar

01-14-2008, 07:48 PM

D Dubbs

01-14-2008, 07:57 PM

Space Cadet

01-14-2008, 08:01 PM

Now we'll only be 13 episodes behind Japan. Wow.

Next thing you know, the episode count separating the Japanese and English episodes will only be in single digits.:eek:

Linkpre

01-14-2008, 08:18 PM

I'm usually not picky with stuff like this, but if there are any changes that come about next season, I hope it is the dialouge of the show. I'm hoping they loosen it up alittle. let me try to explain:
Here is what Dawn would probably say before a contest:
"And I'm psyched for my next contest as well"
Here is what I'd like to see:
"And I'm psyched for my next contest too!"

I know it's really petty, but something about the way Ash and Dawn talks don't sound like average ten year old.

Master Moltar

01-14-2008, 08:20 PM

Hmm, the tag battle is a three-parter, so I bet that's what it is. They probably just don't have titles up for the other two episodes. I guess that also confirms that PUSA will be skipping the recap episode, unless they decide to air it later (which they probably won't).

Now we'll only be 13 episodes behind Japan. Wow.

Three-part tag battle...that's probably it then. Pretty neat they're doing it all in one go.

Though it's obvious now we're probably going to get a hefty break in between seasons.

yoshirider13

01-14-2008, 08:40 PM

Three-part tag battle...that's probably it then. Pretty neat they're doing it all in one go.

Though it's obvious now we're probably going to get a hefty break in between seasons.It is also episodes 50-52 of the DP epsidoes so they could be doing this as a season finale as well. So, it could be either part and either way were msot likely gonna get a break till May or whenever the next big TV sweeps starts.

Lazerboy5000

01-14-2008, 09:08 PM

Now this was a great episode.

Gary is pretty cool, and he still seems strong trainer wise. I would like to see Ash and Gary go at it one more time in the future.

As for J, I noticed the crew continue to call her "sir". Maybe 'Sir' just sounds better than 'Ma'am' or something like that. But I would like to know who she was doing business with... my guess, Team Galaxy. I mean, the helicoptor... it could have very well have been Galaxy.

As for Dawn... *sigh* why is she so obsesed with that stupid pokemon potery stuff, I don't see much to it either. Gary is a cool guy, she could have asked him a more intellgent question, instead of do you do pokmeon potery. *sigh*

"Friends, 'til the end"
You know what I just thought, I would like to see Gary battle Paul. Now that would be awesome.

Some weird stuff going on in a couple of weeks.

"Tag! We're It", the episode after Dawn's Early Light (whatever number that is), will be airing on Friday February 1st at 7:00 PM. After that, some sort of one hour unnamed special will air (could be two episodes too, as they're listed in half-hour slots).

The new episode and hour of whatever will also air that Saturday morning at 9:30. Any clues as to what that is?
Pokemon on Friday Night? Plus two more new episodes possibally...
I better go check TVGuide.com before I get hung out to dry.

D Dubbs

01-14-2008, 09:22 PM

Pokemon on Friday Night? Plus two more new episodes possibally... I better go check TVGuide.com before I get hung out to dry.

Yeah, I'm actually surprised that they're airing it in Fried Dynamite's time, since that block seems to get some of the best ratings on the network. Though, I guess if Toonami was it full strength, they'd probably just air it there.

But it's definitely nice, since now we can all sleep in. =D

Lutochris

01-15-2008, 12:07 PM

Reread the second paragraph you quoted. Keeping up with the Japanese version would be more expensive, not less, due to the fact that they'd have to keep dragging VA's into the recording studio week after week in order to keep up such a fast-paced schedule.

Why would it cost more to do a single 4-hour session once a month, as opposed to 4 1-hour sessions once a week (or however it breaks down)? I'm just saying it takes the same amount of time to dub an episode whether it's done by itself or together with several episodes, so how does it save money? If the Japanese do it week after week why can't the English VAs?

Jave

01-15-2008, 05:04 PM

Why would it cost more to do a single 4-hour session once a month, as opposed to 4 1-hour sessions once a week (or however it breaks down)? I'm just saying it takes the same amount of time to dub an episode whether it's done by itself or together with several episodes, so how does it save money? If the Japanese do it week after week why can't the English VAs?Sure, it's the same amount of time, but you're absolutely ignoring every other cost. What about transportation? You think gas tanks fill on their own? Weather it's the company or the employees who have to pay for this, the distance to the Studio won't be divided by four (going by your example) no matter how many times you go there. And that's just gasoline. What about PLANE TICKETS? A lot of companies have to get their employees through the fastest way possible in order to arrive on time.

Also, most employees nowadays work on fixed/variable wages. Making one four-hour session means paying one fixed wage and four variable wages, but making four separate one-hour sessions means paying FOUR fixed wages and four variable wages. A lot more money.

Then there's the time cost of setting up the studio. When you arrive to the studio, chances are it won't be there functioning all the time. Someone has to turn the "ON" switches and that stuff takes time. Not to mention the long time it takes to get everything organized and the actors ready. Let's say all that takes 15 minutes. In one long session, only 15 minutes are lost, but in four separate sessions, a combined total of a whole hour is lost.

So yes, making one long session instead of many short ones saves time and money. And the reason why Japanese VAs do it week after week is because they don't have a choice. While one episode is being recorded, another one is being animated, another is being storyboarded, another one is being scripted, and another one is being conceived in the writer's room. There's a big difference on dubbing a show than making a show from scratch. The Japanese Studio receives the episodes one by one, while the American Studio receives them in "blocks", and it's cheaper that way.

And no, I'm not making any of this up. It's simply how the system has always worked. American and Japanese shows.

CyberCubed

01-16-2008, 12:43 AM

So does anyone think we're going to be into reruns after the 3-part Tag battle tournament airs?

It would make sense to take a break there since its an important arc, unless CN continues to blast through what little of the season there is left...

Jacob T. Paschal

01-16-2008, 07:51 PM

Episode 518 is 'Tag! We're it!' according to Serebii so I guess that means the episodes are really being churnned out quickly.

HoennMaster

01-16-2008, 08:10 PM

I still think we are going to go up through the Probopass episode before re-runs.

D Dubbs

01-16-2008, 08:23 PM

I still think we are going to go up through the Probopass episode before re-runs.

That's around DP 58, right? Yeah, that's what I'm guessing too.

Light Lucario

01-16-2008, 08:42 PM

Some weird stuff going on in a couple of weeks.

"Tag! We're It", the episode after Dawn's Early Light (whatever number that is), will be airing on Friday February 1st at 7:00 PM. After that, some sort of one hour unnamed special will air (could be two episodes too, as they're listed in half-hour slots).

The new episode and hour of whatever will also air that Saturday morning at 9:30. Any clues as to what that is?

Dang. Three episodes on Friday February 1st and more episode titles coming out of the works. Wow. They must be trying to air out the rest of the episodes that they have left as fast as they can. Maybe they're doing that hour special because of how it leads up to a season finale or something.

Yeah, I'm actually surprised that they're airing it in Fried Dynamite's time, since that block seems to get some of the best ratings on the network. Though, I guess if Toonami was it full strength, they'd probably just air it there.

But it's definitely nice, since now we can all sleep in. =D

Maybe they have the special on Fried Dynamite because of how it has some of the best ratings on the network. They're probably thinking it would give them better ratings than airing it on Saturday morning. I could see Toonami airing it if it had four hours back, but most people wouldn't like it if they chose to do that.

So does anyone think we're going to be into reruns after the 3-part Tag battle tournament airs?

It would make sense to take a break there since its an important arc, unless CN continues to blast through what little of the season there is left...

If it is an important arc like you say, I don't know since I don't watch the Japanese version, but I could see CN going into reruns for awhile after a three-part arc. It all depends how many episodes are left and ready to air after the Tag battle tournament.

sdp

01-19-2008, 10:03 AM

Didn't they do a getting lost on a cave not too long ago but at least this one was a lot better. When Pikachu grabbed Buneares hand that had to be one of the cutest things ever on the show. And coin flip? man that is even less useful in the anime than in the game.

Dawn doesn't have a crush on Gary, she just thinks its cool how he's a poet

I forgot how hardcore the shipping community in PKMN is when you make a comment about a pairing..

D Dubbs

01-19-2008, 10:05 AM

yoshirider13

01-19-2008, 10:10 AM

Well, that was a fairly decent filler...until we got to the end. All of that hurrying for Coin Toss? Lamest ending ever. I bet you ten bucks they never use it again.

And why the heck was Paul there? He didn't even do anything, except get pissed off.

Some weird stuff going on with the music, too. They played Advanced Adventure and some other Kanto music this episode, which felt somewhat out of place, even if they are decent tracks.
I thought it was nice hearing Advance adventure since its one of my favorite Pokemon BGM. Was that in the japanese version? I heard a lot of bgm that I have never heard in the dub before.... Especially at the beginning.

Dogasu

01-19-2008, 10:11 AM

All of that hurrying for Coin Toss? Lamest ending ever. I bet you ten bucks they never use it again.

Amazingly enough, they actually do.

And why the heck was Paul there? He didn't even do anything, except get pissed off. Comic relief.

CyberCubed

01-19-2008, 12:12 PM

Episodes like this are awesome, especially with the mis-matched trainer and Pokemon.

Croagunk, Sudowoodo and Happiny are like Brock's saving grace in D/P, its amazing how good his Pokemon team is this gen compared to what he got stuck with the last couple of years. If it weren't for these pokemon I would be annoyed at the writers for actually bringing his character back again after how stale he's been over the years.

Light Lucario

01-19-2008, 07:01 PM

I thought that this was a nice episode. They usually have a getting lost in a cave episode better, but this was okay. It was nice to see Ash, Dawn and Brock using Pokemon that weren't their own for awhile. I was really surprised to see Paul here. It was kind of funny to see him getting mad after everyone kept on bothering him from capturing that Fearow. His appearances are usually more important than comic relief, such as his last appearance with battling Cynthia, but it was still kind of interesting. Buneray still has the cutest crush on Pikachu. How cute is that.

It was nice to see everyone working together to meet up again and to save Staraiva. It was going pretty well too. And then Dawn gets her long-awaited application. All of that effort and they get Coin Flip? That's just sad. That's one of the most useless applications in the game. I thought that the ending where Dawn using it to decide which way they would go was kind of stupid since it isn't wise to rely on a coin toss in your choice of where to go. I'm just shocked that they apparently use it again since it seems so useless.

Come to think of it, I don't think most of the applications that you get in the game wouldn't work for the anime. Some of them involve telling time or a calender. There's the friendship level meter, which is already in the Poketech, but I don't think that works that well in the show. I think that it would have been better if her application showed her Pokemon's health instead so she could tell if they needed to go to a Pokemon Center sooner or later.

Still, I thought that was a good episode. I hope that the two new ones next week are enjoyable as well.

Lazerboy5000

01-19-2008, 08:44 PM

This was actually a good episode, except for one thing... Coin Toss. I mean, talk about LAME!!!

At first, I though the cave was just a hole Team Rocket dug and at the end would be some sort of contraption to capture Pikachu that was connected to the Ballon above... but I was wrong.

Paul... Thank you. You're awesome.
Brock: have you seen Ash or Dawn?"
Paul: "NO I HAVEN'T!!!!!"
I wonder if he ever caught that Ferrow.

Oh and did I mention that Coin Toss is Lame? - 4/5

Edit: I just took a look at TVGuide.com and there is a new episode on Friday (2/1) at 8:00pm (Tag We're It!). There are also 2 more episodes after that but there is no description available.
But the following Saturday there are reruns of Dawn's Early Night (9:00am) and Tag We're It again at 9:30.

Tash

01-19-2008, 08:57 PM

I thought the funniest part was the resolution to the Onix running gag. Ash was too busy worrying about how to battle it to care that it was about to kill him. XD

D Dubbs

01-19-2008, 11:14 PM

Edit: I just took a look at TVGuide.com and there is a new episode on Friday (2/1) at 8:00pm (Tag We're It!). There are also 2 more episodes after that but there is no description available.
But the following Saturday there are reruns of Dawn's Early Night (9:00am) and Tag We're It again at 9:30.

CN's schedule has the other two titles for that three-parter:

Glory Blaze!
Smells Like Team Spirit!

Terror of Death

01-19-2008, 11:23 PM

That Paul scene made no sense. He was just standing there like a idiot when he been should of had one of his pokemon out ready to launch an attack. Even so that dude turned the episode from okay to great. Paul and Croagunk are the best chacters in the show.

09MurphyM

01-20-2008, 12:23 AM

Best Line.
Ash imagines dawn getting hurt.

Dawn: "No Need to worry!"
Ash: "That's when i worry the most!"

yoshirider13

01-20-2008, 09:57 AM

Best Line.
Ash imagines dawn getting hurt.

Dawn: "No Need to worry!"
Ash: "That's when i worry the most!"Haha I got a kick out of that too.

Hyper Shadow X

01-20-2008, 05:10 PM

I liked this eppy these kind are indeed funny to watch,

Lazerboy5000

01-21-2008, 08:57 AM

CN's schedule has the other two titles for that three-parter:

Glory Blaze!
Smells Like Team Spirit!
Smells like Team Sprit better be good because Smells like Teen Sprit is an awesome song… so I have high expectations. ;)

Oh, and I saw a preview for the Friday special coming up on Friday the 1st. I didn’t see much of it though, I just managed to catch the very end of the preview.

Lazerboy5000

01-21-2008, 09:51 PM

Oaky, I just had to show you guys what I did today.

http://a520.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/118/l_2f7c345405e1171048572de0881c8bc7.jpg

Yep, I drew that freehand today. I was feeling inspired and I gave the creative part of my brain a workout. I hope you guys like it.

Just thought I'd show that to you all.

D Dubbs

01-21-2008, 10:00 PM

Hmm, not bad Lazerboy. The human characters look a bit off, but the Pokémon appear pretty decent.

And in a lame attempt to keep the thread on topic...today I also saw the promo for the three-parter on February 1st. I guess they're expect some high ratings from this event, since they never promote new Pokémon episodes anymore.

Rolling Cloud

01-21-2008, 10:14 PM

And in a lame attempt to keep the thread on topic...today I also saw the promo for the three-parter on February 1st. I guess they're expect some high ratings from this event, since they never promote new Pokémon episodes anymore.

I just hope that they don't try to edit the 3 episodes together into a "movie" by cutting scenes out. =/

yoshirider13

01-21-2008, 10:38 PM

I just hope that they don't try to edit the 3 episodes together into a "movie" by cutting scenes out. =/Well if that happens, there being rerun as seperate episodes the next day. so yeah

I can't wait!

Mr. Ralph

01-21-2008, 11:01 PM

I just hope that they don't try to edit the 3 episodes together into a "movie" by cutting scenes out. =/

they didn't do that with the first three episodes though so i'm hopeful they won't do it this time either

yoshirider13

01-21-2008, 11:12 PM

they didn't do that with the first three episodes though so i'm hopeful they won't do it this time either
Yeah they did....

D Dubbs

01-21-2008, 11:15 PM

Well, they're calling it a "90 minute special event" but they have the individual episode titles listed on the online schedule.

So, I think they will cut out the theme and credits, and perhaps the recaps, but that's not really a big loss or anything.

RomanMack

01-21-2008, 11:57 PM

Tash

01-22-2008, 12:44 AM

Yeah they did....
The only things missing were the last few seconds of each episode. (and the title cards)

Dogasu

01-22-2008, 05:03 AM

No...over a minute's worth of footage was removed from the "movie" airing.

Lazerboy5000

01-22-2008, 07:32 AM

So, I think they will cut out the theme and credits, and perhaps the recaps, but that's not really a big loss or anything.
True, no big loss, but it's just enough time for CN to throw in a couple extra commercials.

Hmm, not bad Lazerboy. The human characters look a bit off, but the Pokémon appear pretty decent.
And thanks. Usually it's the other way around. :sweat:

CyberCubed

01-22-2008, 11:35 PM

Wow, I haven't caught Pokemon in awhile, but now I've seen some of the recent episodes and, well, Ash's actress has gotten rid of the froggy-type voice he's had ever since the dub switch. She actually sounds more like Veronica now. Which also means that Ash kinda sounds younger (since people said his new actress made him sound older) again.

True, I'm pretty much fine with Ash's voice. Sarah has done quite a decent job and while I doubt we'll ever have anything on the level of Veronica's, it'll do.

Besides the people complaining about the VA's now after 2 seasons is rather pointless. They'll be here to stay for most likely the entire duration of the series, however long that is. There's really only a handful of people still "petitioning" to get the old voice actors back, but they're usually openly mocked and criticized on the same level as the stupid people who used to make those "bring Misty back" petitions a few years ago. Its actually quite sad, to be honest, some Pokemon fans have no idea how the real world works and every generation there's a new group of crazy people.

D Dubbs

01-22-2008, 11:51 PM

Its actually quite sad, to be honest, some Pokemon fans have no idea how the real world works and every generation there's a new group of crazy people.

Well, the Pokémon fandom is full of youngsters, so it's not too surprising to see a couple of instances of misplaced logic, here and there.

CyberCubed

01-22-2008, 11:54 PM

Well, the Pokémon fandom is full of youngsters, so it's not too surprising to see a couple of instances of misplaced logic, here and there.

Yeah, but the ones posting on the online forums tend to be at least teenagers and older. Most of these people are in high school or their early college years, which really makes you wonder why they're complaining over something kids probably got used to very easily.

As we can see from the ratings reports, both PUSA dubbed seasons have done well on CN so the new voices certainly hasn't affected the audience. Hopefully CN airs Movie 10 as well and I'm sure that will be a big hit for them. Didn't Movie's 8 and 9 do well on CN for that matter, if anyone knows?

D Dubbs

01-23-2008, 12:07 AM

Yeah, but the ones posting on the online forums tend to be at least teenagers and older. Most of these people are in high school or their early college years, which really makes you wonder why they're complaining over something kids probably got used to very easily.

As we can see from the ratings reports, both PUSA dubbed seasons have done well on CN so the new voices certainly hasn't affected the audience.

Well, when you're younger, it's easier to adapt to new situations. A lot of the older fans were used to hearing the old voice cast for nearly a decade, so change doesn't come as easily. Granted, I suppose it's still pretty immature to have your opinions based solely on nostalgia...but that's the way things work for a lot of people.

Lazerboy5000

01-23-2008, 08:26 AM

My Advance Composition teacher told us that as we get older, we analyze TV shows in more depth than when we were younger. And as we become more civilized citizens, we tend to critique nearly everything we see.

As for me, I don’t mind the change at all. Back in the day, I didn’t really follow the show this in depth. So the change doesn’t seem as drastic to me.

yoshirider13

01-26-2008, 10:04 AM

well I thought Sandshrew's locker was an ok episode. I'd think maybe they would get rid of the stuff inside their houses before the water destroys the town...

Dawn's early night was good too. I was kinda surprised she didn't even make it past the prelims. I was so glad they kept the Dawn theme balled at that part because it would sound horrible with dub music blasting at that part.

I also heard some silenece in these episodes today, which is always nice.

sdp

01-26-2008, 10:35 AM

Wow that were such unemotional scenes, I'm sure with appropriate background music and dub it would have been good. I really don't mean to start a dub discussion, I usually defend it but I was thinking that as I saw the episode. I was also glad to see Dawn lose, its refreshing.

Yeah, but the ones posting on the online forums tend to be at least teenagers and older.

My Advance Composition teacher told us that as we get older, we analyze TV shows in more depth than when we were younger.

I'm not so sure, besides TZ most Pokemon forums have a majority of younger kids posting, or at least posts that seem to be from young kids. ;)

And I disagree, when I was a kid I did notice lck of plot and Voice changes, in fact even as a kid I used to care a lot about continuity, I'd even make up the most elaborate stories to fix any mistakes the cartoons may have made.

Yash

01-26-2008, 10:58 AM

Was it just me or was a lot of Japanese music kept in the second episode? Moreso than usual (speaking of usual - 6-7 pieces seems like it's the new average for an episode to keep. Compared to 3 in Battle Frontier and 4-5 in early Diamond & Pearl, PUSA really might just be transitioning from the 4Kids dub, like I had hoped).

Dawn losing disappoints me. I have to wonder if she'll even make it to the Grand Festival.

EDIT: I did a comparison and I'm 95% sure that PUSA kept 13 tracks of Japanese music in "Dawn's Early Night." This is the most music PUSA has kept in a TV episode since they picked up the series, beating out "A Gruff Act to Follow" (which kept 11 pieces) - in fact, the entire appeal round was left alone, except for filler music. Way to go, PUSA! Here's hoping the Tag Team special fares just as well.

Terror of Death

01-26-2008, 11:57 AM

Why is it that the main characters always seem to lose when they are overconfident? Theres nothing wrong with being sure of yourself.

CyberCubed

01-26-2008, 12:07 PM

Why is it that the main characters always seem to lose when they are overconfident? Theres nothing wrong with being sure of yourself.

Because Pokemon uses the Dragonball formula. No matter how strong you think you are, there is always someone stronger.

Plus Dawn IS still a rookie trainer, so it makes sense to see her have some losses at this point.

D Dubbs

01-26-2008, 12:23 PM

Yeah, Dawn losing was surprising. May always got past the 1st round with no trouble.

"Sandshrew's Locker" was pretty good too. Wonder if it was inspired by the Three Gorges Dam...

Also, on February 9th, it looks like D&P will be preempted...but I'm not sure by what...

CyberCubed

01-26-2008, 12:26 PM

Maybe that's when the rerun break starts? That's after thet tag-battle tournament airs, right?

D Dubbs

01-26-2008, 12:40 PM

It could be the beginning of reruns, although I wouldn't draw any conclusions until we learn the schedule for the 16th of February.

Light Lucario

01-26-2008, 06:17 PM

I thought that Sandshrew's Locker episode was kind of cute. I thought that it was weird that Mira kept on lying to Ash and his friends and she wouldn't tell them the truth until they got to the lake. It was sweet how she and all of her friends took turns taking care of that Sandshrew. Too bad that the whole town was flooded for that dam. I be that it would feel kind of creepy to swim through your old town like that. But at least they were able to get Sandshrew back and Mira kept her first promise that she would use Abra to teleport them to Hearthome City.

I really enjoyed Dawn's Early Night much more than the previous episode. It was kind of funny to see Ash's reaction the the gym being closed. I was wondering how they would handle how you don't get the Hearthome badge until later on in D/P. I really did like seeing Nando again. He's such a cool and calm guy and I really love how he does Pokemon Contests and Gym Battles. If I were a trainer there, I would do the same thing since doing both contests and gym battles will really make your Pokemon strong. Besides that, it would be so much fun.

Anyway, does anyone else notice Zoey's issues with gym battles appearing again? For most of the episode, she wasn't too found of Nando doing both contests and gym battles and she even said that he had to choose one of them. I really did thought that Dawn's first stage appeal was really good and it showed how she was intune with her Pokemon. Despite that, it didn't beat how awesome Nando's appeal was. I'm glad that Zoey did admit then that he does deserve to be called a coordinator.

I was surprised that Dawn didn't even make it to the second round. She is still a rookie at contests, but even when May was a rookie herself, she always got through the appeal part of the contest. And I thought that Dawn's appeal was a lot better than Jessie's. I felt really sad for her when she ran away crying like that and then she screamed. She had worked pretty hard for this whole contest. It looked like Dawn's mom knew that was going to happen after watching Dawn. Her mom hasn't been known for being as supportive for Dawn like Ash's mom and May's mom.

I am glad that Nando did win the contest. I felt that after his beautiful appeal and the fact that he does both contests and gym battles that he deserves to win this one. Especially since Zoey didn't even acknowledge him as a coordinator until after his appeal. Is it just me or does Dawn need more interesting rivals? I like Nando as a calm and friendly rival whose more unique with doing both gym battles and contests, but Zoey seems kind of plain to me. Maybe Dawn needs her own kind of male rivals like May did with Drew and Harely. Overall it was a really nice episode and I'm looking foreword to seeing the Tag Battle Tournement next week.

CyberCubed

01-26-2008, 07:06 PM

Is it just me or does Dawn need more interesting rivals?

That's my big problem with the D/P Contest arc, Dawn's rivals don't seem to be very interesting. One of the reasons Contests were liked when they were introduced was because of the character interaction, you felt like you were watching a shoujo storyline in the Pokemon anime. It seems to me that when the writers were doing May's arc they had no idea at the time they'd be doing a whole second Contest arc with a new character after her, so they seemed to make the most interesting rivals in Hoenn/Battle Frontier and now Dawn sadly gets stuck with whatever leftovers there are.

Granted they're not bad characters or anything, but I don't really care for Zoey, Nando or Kenny. I think Dawn herself is a fun, interesting character and I like that Jessie is still competing, but I think the rivals need to be fleshed out more. Hopefully as more Contests air we'll see the writers add a bit more depth to those rivals because as it stands now they're my least favorite rivals in the entire series.

Rud

01-26-2008, 07:39 PM

like, when does pokemon air anyway, i havent watched it since Pauls epic match against Roark.

D Dubbs

01-26-2008, 07:41 PM

like, when does pokemon air anyway, i havent watched it since Pauls epic match against Roark.

Well, the next new three episodes will air Friday night at 8 PM.

Rud

01-26-2008, 07:58 PM

Well, the next new three episodes will air Friday night at 8 PM.

thank you, as theres a certain ep comming up i want to see, i think its episode 520.

StellaMagic

01-26-2008, 08:20 PM

I like how Jesse kept getting Hypotondra's name wrong. I don't blame her. It's name is the hardest to pronounce. This post is living proof in case I am wrong.

Lazerboy5000

01-27-2008, 02:03 PM

I'm not so sure, besides TZ most Pokemon forums have a majority of younger kids posting, or at least posts that seem to be from young kids. ;)

And I disagree, when I was a kid I did notice lck of plot and Voice changes, in fact even as a kid I used to care a lot about continuity, I'd even make up the most elaborate stories to fix any mistakes the cartoons may have made.
I remember that when pokemon first came out (which put me in the 3rd grade) I didn't know that it was originaly a Japenese cartoon. In fact, I didn't learn about subs until the 8th grade.
I know that when I was in 3rd grade, I just watched pokemon because it was enjoyable, but now, I seem to analyse each episode, and I posts my thoughts on the epiosde here.

But I completely forgot that there were two new episodes until it was too late. I was gone all day yesterday, so I only set the tape for the later episode (which is probably the more important one of the two).

As for Dawn's Early Night, I thought it was a great episode. It flowed very well. Nando forshadowed the Tag Team Tournment. And what was with that note "...and don't go looking for me." I probably would have reacted the same way as Ash and Brock.
I thought Dawn was going to make it to the second round for sure. Hmmmm... I wonder what she did wrong... Dawn's mom seemed to know.

Oh, and I believe I saw a Fried Dynamite Commerical that previewed the 3 part special AND... they said that they would show a sneek preview for movie 10!

Dawn's Early Night - 5/5

January 4/5

D Dubbs

01-27-2008, 02:07 PM

December 4/5

Uh...you mean January, right? :sweat:

Anyway, now "Tag! We're It...!" is listed to air on February 9th at 9 AM, so I guess we may be going into reruns.

Lazerboy5000

01-27-2008, 02:12 PM

Rud

01-27-2008, 02:16 PM

^ I'm typing way to fast for my own good. :sweat:

And on Saturday, February 2nd there will be 4 episodes in the morning

9:00 Dawn's Early Night
9:30 Tag We're It
10:00 Glory Blaze
10:30 Smells Like Team Spirit

Yes, all reruns.

(I'm predicting that I won't be able to see Sandshrew's Locker until 2/12)

i thought for sure they had not shown Glory Blaze or Smells like team spirit yet, but well, no matter, those are the ones i wanted to see anyway. wait, doesnt Transformers air on 10:30?

D Dubbs

01-27-2008, 02:51 PM

i thought for sure they had not shown Glory Blaze or Smells like team spirit yet, but well, no matter, those are the ones i wanted to see anyway. wait, doesnt Transformers air on 10:30?

They haven't shown those yet. Like I said before, they'll premiere this Friday at 8 PM. And yes, Transformers usually airs at 10:30 but it'll be preempted for one week, because they are showing the three-part tag battle again during Saturday morning.

Light Lucario

01-27-2008, 06:26 PM

That's my big problem with the D/P Contest arc, Dawn's rivals don't seem to be very interesting. One of the reasons Contests were liked when they were introduced was because of the character interaction, you felt like you were watching a shoujo storyline in the Pokemon anime. It seems to me that when the writers were doing May's arc they had no idea at the time they'd be doing a whole second Contest arc with a new character after her, so they seemed to make the most interesting rivals in Hoenn/Battle Frontier and now Dawn sadly gets stuck with whatever leftovers there are.

Granted they're not bad characters or anything, but I don't really care for Zoey, Nando or Kenny. I think Dawn herself is a fun, interesting character and I like that Jessie is still competing, but I think the rivals need to be fleshed out more. Hopefully as more Contests air we'll see the writers add a bit more depth to those rivals because as it stands now they're my least favorite rivals in the entire series.

I completely agree. Compared to May's contest rivals, Dawn's rivals are pretty boring. I understand what you mean about watching a shoujo storyline in the anime. All of May's contests did feel like a really well thought out shoujo. The thing with the writers could be a factor in how they didn't know that Dawn would replace May and be another coordinator.

Out of the three rivals Dawn has right now, I think Nando is the most interesting of them, Mainly because he at least does something different by doing both contests and gym battles, while Zoey and Kenny, who I completely forgot about until now, are kind of regular friendly rivals that just aren't that interesting. And none of them are as interesting as say Harely or even Drew.

I do like Dawn as she seems like an enjoyable character with potential, even though I prefer May over her, but she's still relatively new to the series and I'm sure she'll grow as well. I also like how Jessie has been able to enter contests as the same person without having her cover blown, as what happened during most of Advance Generation, but the rivals do feel flat to me as well. I would hope that the writers will be able to give some more personality to Dawn's current rivals, or be able to bring in a rival that has some interesting qualities and allow her to grow like what Harely and Drew did for May.

Hyper Shadow X

01-28-2008, 12:40 AM

Only was able to catch the second eppy.

zoombie

01-28-2008, 10:12 AM

Speaking of rivals, is it just me or does Zoey seem to get under Jessie's skin. There is a rivalory between Zoey and Jessie (or should I say Jessielena) as well. Not only does Dawn have multiple rivals, but I guess Zoey has multiple rivals as well.

Lazerboy5000

01-28-2008, 07:22 PM

Hmmm, well now that we are on the subject of contest rivals, I put in my two cents.

May's rivals: Drew and Harley
hey, two great rivals. May always had a thing for Drew, which made things more interesting. And Harley... well, he was like a breath of fresh air, like Paul. I would have liked to see the whole May and Harley actually knew each other in the past play out a little more.

Dawn's rivals: Zoey, Nando, Kenny
Kenny... well, I will decribe him as cliche. Nando is alright, but some of his efforts are focused on gym battles. Zoey is probably Dawn's best rival. I like how the two of them have become great friends, but Zoey alone cannot bring the same amount of intensity and Drew and Harley combined.

I like both sets of rivals, so I don't have too much of a problem.

CyberCubed

01-28-2008, 09:32 PM

Well in terms of all the major rivals in the series combined, IMO in terms of personality and contributions to the series:

Paul > Harley > Gary > Drew > Zoey > Kenny

I'm really loving what they're doing with Paul this season, we've gotten some great stuff and even more down the pipeline in the future. That was kinda my problem with Gary, we used to go such long gaps without him ever appearing. The writers are fixing this with Paul, his style seems to clash with Ash's far more than Gary's did, which makes Paul more interesting a rival overall. Its almost like Paul is having the rivalry with him that Ash/Gary were meant to have but kinda fizzled out over time.

Gary also works a bit better as Ash's friend than full-time rival now, I was pretty happy with his D/P debut and it looks like Gary is just going to remain in his professor role for the rest of the series. Still, I would like to see Ash and Gary have one more full battle someday, just for old times sake, but I don't know if we'll ever get that at this rate.

zoombie

01-28-2008, 09:46 PM

Paul is a trainer who is in constract with every non villain trainer we have ever seen before. He doesn't seem to care at all about his Pokemon. Paul could be everyone's rival in the Pokemon world, I think any of Ash's past opponents would oppose the way Paul treats his Pokemon.

In the 10 years of the show, we have meet some smuck arrogant Pokemon trainers and gym leaders over the years, but in the end, they showed good sportsmanship and there love for their Pokemon. There were times when I expected the defeated trainer to be like Paul show no sportsmenship for the opponent and let his or Pokemon have it, and of course it didn't happen.

Paul is the opposite of that. I don't know what made him this way, I hope we find out, but so far we see that deep down behind that mean person is a mean person.

Gary could never have been like Paul, I would find it very difficult to belief Professor Oak's grandson would treat his Pokemon like Paul does. No relative of any Pokemon trainer would be like that, that person would have knock some sense into his relative very earlier.

Lazerboy5000

01-29-2008, 08:48 AM

Well, this is how I would rank the rivals:

1. Paul
2. Harley
3. (tie) Drew and Zoey and Gary
6. Nando

Paul is by far, the best rival this series has ever seen. There will always be friction between Ash and Paul and they will make each other stronger because of that.

Harley is similar to Paul, but in a weird… less intimidating way. A great rival, but he wasn’t as focused as Paul when it comes to strength.

The next three rivals are all good, but no where near Paul, and just behind Harley. Drew, Zoey, and Gary all have the same effect on May, Dawn, and Ash respectively. They are all strong in their own way, but at the same time have become good friends with our heros.

Nando is just a step behind everyone else. His attention is divided between contests and gym battles. He is strong to say the least, but he is just so nice about it. His personality doesn’t seem to make him the competitive type.

Jacob T. Paschal

01-29-2008, 09:29 AM

A lot of character in the past seem to be named after a crew member on the games, who would Shinji be named after?

Yash

01-29-2008, 04:01 PM

A lot of character in the past seem to be named after a crew member on the games, who would Shinji be named after?
Shinji Miyazaki, who composed the original Japanese score.

Paul got his English name from an employee at PUSA, IIRC.

Freedom Fighter

02-04-2008, 06:30 PM

I'm just gonna make a quick comment on the recent Contest episode...

I will tell you... seeing Dawn NOT make it out of the appeals round was a total, yet welcome shock. No, not because I don't like Dawn, but because she seemed to put on a flawless appeal, yet missed the cut for the Final Eight. You know, Zoey tells Dawn to make sure the Pokémon get the spotlight and not herself, and it seems she does that. I found it kinda weird her mom, watching at home, had only a ho-hum response to Dawn's appeal performance. Was something up? Surely, Dawn was flawless. But one wonders... did she play it too safe? One would think not, mixing water (Piplup) with electricity (Pachirisu). And yet...

The writers really are trying to prove that you can't take things too easy. In a contest with so much stellar opposition, you're going to have to take some risks to stand out from the crowd. Maybe Dawn didn't take enough. She's obviously going to have to get more creative if she hopes to ever win another Contest Ribbon, much less make it to the Grand Festival.

One thing I am disappointed in, though, is the show pretty much focuses on Dawn sulking after dropping out, and completely ignoring the rest of the contest - only telling the essentials... Nando beats Jessie(lina) to get to the title match against Zoey, and later on, Zoey personally relays after the fact that she lost to Nando. You'd think we'd, at the very least, get to see those two battles in full.

And on that note, seems that Zoey continues to take an elitist stance towards those who want it 'both ways' (i.e., doing gym battles and contests). In their first meeting, Zoey managed to outlast Ash before he could get to the good stuff. Nando, however, has no such problem. Maybe she'd better be more careful how she flaunts against the 'undeciders,' especially since she also admits there's no way she could play 'both ways.'

"Dawn's Early Night!": 3.5 out of 5.

Light Lucario

02-04-2008, 08:14 PM

I meant to get my list of best rivals earlier than this, but my Internet connection stopped working and I didn't feel like typing all of that up again. Anyway, these are my top rivals in Pokemon.

1. Paul

2. Harely

3. Drew

4. Gary

5. Nando

Paul is the best rival Ash has ever had. He gets such intense anger and steam from his clashes with Ash and you can just feel the tension between the two. Paul is also the complete opposite of Ash in practically every shape and form, which adds onto their rivals. I think that the series needed a rival like Paul thrown into the mix, instead of another friendly rival. Even though I did like Morrison from the Honnen League, but we didn't really see him until Ash already had his eight badges.

Anyway, as I mentioned in the Tag Battle Arc review thread, I have a love-hate thing for Paul. I love the tension and clashes that he has with Ash in the series, but I hate how he treats his Pokemon and everyone around him at the same time. I hope that as Ash and his friends travel to Veilstone City, we'll get to learn more about Paul's past and possibly understand why he's such a jerk. I'm hoping that the writers do that since it would be such a waste if they provided nothing for Paul's background and just left him as a jerk for no apparent reason.

Harely was one of May's best rivals during her appearance in AG. He was a different kind of rival in how he was determined to beat May by any means necessary, even if it meant cheating or playing dirty. Most of the rivals by this point were pretty much friendly and he brought on something new to the table. I also thought that it was interesting how he could easily trick May that he was telling the truth and fooling her to follow his advice, even though it was completely obvious that he was lying.

Some of his attempts to beat May or psych her out were often over the top, like when he dressed up like her in the Kanto Grand Festival. Even so, I think that his lying and cheating helped May to grow as a Coordinator by becoming stronger and trusting in her own advice, not that of others.

Drew could easily be considered as May's own rival version of Gary, except that he wasn't any where near as annoying or thought as highly of himself. He was the first rival May ever had and their tension between each other helped her to focus on training and to become stronger. He did start out by insulting her, but I felt that it wasn't at the level of what Gary did to Ash during his time in the Indigo League. We also got to see Drew in nearly every contest that May went to and we got to see his battle style pretty much during his first contest appearance.

I think that May and Drew had different kind of styles for battles and appeals. Those difference fueled their tension as rivals and helped to make Drew one of the best rivals in the show. All of that tension added up when Drew and May had their battle in the Kanto Grand Festival, which was one of the best battles, at least contest battles, of the series thus far.

As for Gary, compared to rivals like Paul and Drew, he doesn't feel like much of a rival now. Even back in the Indigo League arc, we rarely got a catch to see him. Paul has made much more appearances in the first season of D/P than Gary did in the first season alone. When we did get a chance to see him, Gary was always insulting Ash and saying how he was so weak compared to him. We didn't even get to see what kind of Pokemon he had until his battle in the eighth gym. He was more of a stuck-up kind of person more than a rival to me.

With all of this in mind, I think Gary works much better as one of Ash's friends than one of his rivals. He doesn't come off as stuck-up guy who thinks of himself so highly now and that's much better. His role as a Pokemon researcher seems to fit him better. Still, Ash's battle with Gary in the Johto League was intense due to their long time rivalry and it was one of the highlights of the Johto arc, not to mention one of the best battles in the series thus far.

In terms of Dawn's rivals, Nando is the one that sticks out to me more than Zoey or Kenny. I actually had forgotten about Kenny for awhile. Zoey comes off to me as a friendly and more experienced rival, which isn't a bad thing, but I just don't find that too interesting since there's not much of anything else in her personality. I also don't like it how she has such a negative reaction to those who take part in gym battles and then compete in contests. It isn't like they have to choose one or the other. Trainers could easily do both. Kenny fits the mole of a childhood rival, which isn't bad either, but I just don't find him, or Zoey for that matter, to be too interesting. At least Nando does something that's different. He does both gym battles and contests, which I find to be a nice bit of fresh air in the qualities of Dawn's rivals. If I were a trainer in the Pokemon universe, I would love to take part in both contests and gym battles. Not only would my Pokemon and I be strong from taking part in both forms of battling, but it would be really fun.

I also like Nando because he has a calm and relaxed kind of personality. He is different from the other rivals we've seen and I like that. Of course, Nando could use some more development or insight into his personality, as could Zoey and Kenny, but he seems to be the most interesting of Dawn's rivals thus far. Even though I do like Nando, he isn't as interesting as May's contest rivals were. I could see Nando becoming a better rival if the writers would work on developing more of his character and the same can be said for Zoey and Kenny. Hopefully the writers will be able to do that for them in the future.