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Dustan
02-18-2002, 09:06 PM
this has probly been posted before but i wasen't here so i'm asking again.

Anyway have you noticed that she can fly in the new series but could never fly before in the old one. Did something happen or did they just want to give her a extra power?

Clark J. Kent
02-18-2002, 09:11 PM
She's been able to fly since 1986 when DC rebooted her series and origin.

Zoddman
02-18-2002, 09:59 PM
Yeah, basically what Kent said. They needed her to basically be the female equivalent of Superman.

TheHuntressDiana
02-19-2002, 09:22 AM
Originally posted by Zoddman
Yeah, basically what Kent said. They needed her to basically be the female equivalent of Superman.

Needed her to be?

That could be said of Power Girl as well.

And is Cassie the female Superboy?

Hmm?

MattL.
02-19-2002, 11:04 AM
I dont think it was as much them needing her to be an equivalent to Superman as much as it was the fact that she's the third icon of the DC pantheon yet all the poor girl had to her at the time was bracelets and rope and riding around in a invisible plane.

So they pumped the character up by giving her the more mythological backstory which includes things within that theme like flight and Herculian strength.

I think its a bit wasteful for the character to be approached as just the female equivalent to Superman. Theres enough about her that shines on its own that she doesnt need to be a female version of something we already have. Otherwise she might as well put on a Supergirl costume.

But I do like that she can go toe to toe with the big guy.

"Lets just say I'm glad we're usually on the same side." ;)

SimonMoon5
02-19-2002, 02:14 PM
Right, she's been able to fly around since 1986. However, what a lot of people tend to neglect is the fact that she could nearly fly ("glide on air currents") for decades before that. Gliding on air currents is a trick that any person (in theory) could learn (just like all those moves in Dragonball Z, I guess). However, it was poorly defined and just meant that she could fly whenever she wanted unless the villain could control air... or if the plot demanded that she couldn't fly, in which case the air currents wouldn't go where she wanted them to.

In short, though, she has been able to sorta fly since at least the 60s, and possibly earlier. I don't know when the first use of "gliding on air currents" was, but the Golden Age WW doesn't use this ability in any stories that I've read.

SimonMoon5
02-19-2002, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by MattL.
I dont think it was as much them needing her to be an equivalent to Superman as much as it was the fact that she's the third icon of the DC pantheon yet all the poor girl had to her at the time was bracelets and rope and riding around in a invisible plane.


Er... that's all the Superfriends version had, yes.

The comics version could fly (by gliding on air currents), had incredible strength (not played up as often as it could've been), and incredible speed (shown quite often). Her lack of invulnerability is really what made her a second-class hero, and still does... except that in the modern-day the writers let her stay alive and conscious after being hit by Superman-level strength... but if she runs into any bullets, she needs her bracelets to deflect them?
:confused:

TheHuntressDiana
02-19-2002, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by SimonMoon5
... except that in the modern-day the writers let her stay alive and conscious after being hit by Superman-level strength... but if she runs into any bullets, she needs her bracelets to deflect them?

It's all about mass and pressure and stuff like that.

Something with the force and impact of a bullet, but the size of a boulder wouldn't hurt her. All of that is is distributed a larger mass (the boulder) and her whole body will absorbe the affects.

However, if all of that is packed into a bullet, and it gets past her defences, it's going to connect over a smaller area and that one areal will absorbe it all.

Gah...that probably sounds horrible, but I'm sure someone else can explain it better (and simpler) than I can. But maybe you get the gist of it? :)

Toddman
02-19-2002, 06:53 PM
Don't forget all of those odd, poorly defined telepathic powers WW had before 1986. She controlled her invisible jet w/telepathy, possibly her magic lasso as well. And I think that she could recieve some kind of telepathic "summons" from the other Amazons as well.

And speaking of the invisible jet, I think that George Pérez and the other creators behind WW's 80's reboot thought that the plane was a little goofy. However, WW still needed a way to get from Paradise Island to "man's world," so they just altered her "gliding on air currents" power to full-blown flight.

Toddman

Tracer
02-20-2002, 02:43 PM
Speaking of the Invisible Jet...

When they re-vamped WW after Zero hour, they seemed to leave off the telepathy, except for the lasso I assume, but that may be due to magic.

Gave her flight (as a gift from the gods) as well as strength and speed (other than blocking bullets, this is really an under used power. )

And the invisible jet. for long distance travel and cargo. It was created by Amazonian science. It could collapse and expand from a disk about the of her palm to a jet. It is seen in some of the early (after zero hour) issue. Unfortuately it was destroyed in JSA while Hippolyta (excuse the spelling) was filling in for WW when she was granted true goddess status.

Toddman
02-20-2002, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by Tracer
Speaking of the Invisible Jet...

When they re-vamped WW after Zero hour, they seemed to leave off the telepathy, except for the lasso I assume, but that may be due to magic.

Gave her flight (as a gift from the gods) as well as strength and speed (other than blocking bullets, this is really an under used power. )

And the invisible jet. for long distance travel and cargo. It was created by Amazonian science. It could collapse and expand from a disk about the of her palm to a jet. It is seen in some of the early (after zero hour) issue. Unfortuately it was destroyed in JSA while Hippolyta (excuse the spelling) was filling in for WW when she was granted true goddess status.

I just wanted to add that the re-vamp you are speaking of occured after "Crisis on Infinite Earths." I don't think that "Zero Hour" really messed with WW.

And I'm not a regular reader of the Wonder Woman series, but I thought that the new expandable-disk invisible plane was develped by an alien culture living somewhere on Earth. I could be wrong, though.

Also, I did pick up the latest issue of WW and it showed a version of the invisible jet that I had never seen before, so I'm not sure if it was the plane/disk thing or something new.

Anyone know?

Toddman

Heehaw
02-20-2002, 05:34 PM
She also flew in an episode of the 1988 Ruby/Spears animated Superman show.