What future would you give to the Batman characters?

[BatKid]

I'm sure most of us here would like to know what happened to all those Bat-characters if they were in Batman Beyond time. Well, since there won't likely to be a story of that kind, if DC gave you the chance to write a story about Bat-characters, what future would you give them? This should be a fun thread, since we all have different and great ideas. I'll start off with my take on the characters:

Alfred

I wouldn't want to give him a tragic death, but I would imagine that he left when Bruce was gettng sicker, and he still wouldn't give up the cape and cowl. I think he would go with Tim or Grayson and help them with their hero careers. And then, I think it would be fair to have him have a reunion with the Bat-family again, before he dies, so he could die a happy man since he's gone through a lot.

Catwoman

Selina finally marries Bruce, and they have a son. Then, they train their son to be a crimefighter, and he eventually becomes the next Robin. Of course, with every Robin, there has to be a Batman. And what better Batman to be with a Robin, then Tim! This story could continue the Bat-Clan for more years to come and I think it would be a good story if it were made.

(By the way, I got this idea from the JLA story, "Under Lock and Key", which had the villain, The Key, having the current JL in dreams. Batman's dream, was of the above story. I suggest alll of you to read it, since it really is a good story.
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Those are just a few stories I've come up with. I'll be back later, and I hope I can see your take on these characters.

-BatKid

[Barb Gordon]

Sounds like a good future for Alfred...except, wouldn't he been like 100 years old or something? Bruce is about 70-80, isn't he in BB? I couldn't really see Tim doing anything more...well, that's due to the BB movie. But still, because of the comics as well, I just can't see Tim going on as Batman. For Dick, I'd like to have seen that he became Nightwing and went to Bludhaven, but not have married though. Maybe he would still be fighting, or training young heroes, maybe gone back to the circus stuff a little. Though it might sound a little odd, it could be interesting to see him as the police commisioner for Bludhaven. I mean, it's something I could never see happening, but since BB is something I could never see happening either for Batman's future, it could work!

Barb^-^

[peterparker05]

Catwoman- She slipped out of the limelight after a situation involving the Phantasm. In the meanwhile, she's been over in Europe and Asia, secretly fighting for animal rights by raiding illegal testing facilities and attacking poachers.

I'll share some more when my brain's thinking again. Write now I can't think of anything else for some reason.

[BatKid]

Thanks for the replies!

Here are a few more:

Dick Grayson

I would imagine Grayson would get a wife along the way, whether it be Star Sapphire, Barbara, or some other girl, I just can't imagine him like Bruce, all alone. When he's in his late 40's-Early 50's, I think he would be a good trainer to new superheroes for that age. Imagine Dick as a legend, along the lines of Bats and Supes, for his work to the new heroes. :D

Barbara Gordon

There's many ways we could go with this. Since she is paralyzed in the comic world, I can't really see her being a crime-fighter in her later years. Unless, technology vastly improves over the years, in which would enable her to walk again. If in her future she does marry Dick, I definitely could see her training the new superheroes with him. This would be a good ending, since Barb and Dick have had ups and downs throughout their relationship.
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Man, I'm getting hyped up already thinking about these stories being done! :D

I really hope DC in the years to come, would do something along the lines of this, even if it is an Elseworlds. I don't know if DC has already done something like this, but it sure would be cool if it was done along these stories. Imagine the B:TAS doing 90min.+ animated feature on these stories, kind of tying up the loose ends that the fans have questioned about throughout the years, kind of like what the ROTJ scene did, but a much more thought out story.

BatKid out...

[Barb Gordon]

If they got rid of how they planned her future in BB, and went with how it is in the comics, then for sure I would see her and Dick getting together. And isn't the girl that he was going to marry, Kory, Starfire? It would be awesome to see an older Dick, who was a legend for training superheroes.

Barb^-^

[Trent Lane]

I like the way they went with Bruce in BB, and the cowl being handed down to Terry, it's the others I'm not really up on. I see Tim going on till he's about 25 or so as Robin, adopting a costume similar to that of the Robin in Kingdom Come, with the cowl and all. He'd give it all up though to start a family, not wanting to become unhappy as Bruce was. Dick, I see him going on as long as Bruce, just a little differently. He marries Barbara after her fling with Bruce, and they have a child together. They divorce shortly after, two egos that can't stay around each other as much as theywant to. Their daughter stays with Dick and he trains he to take up the mantle of Nightwing. Barbara remarries Sam Young and takes her father's spot in the GCPD. Jim Gordon dies in his sleep, after a very deserved retirement. Alfred leaves Bruce at the age of seventy, and goes back to live his final years with friends and family in England. Joker dies in an all out fight between he and Batman after Joker kills Renee Montoya- the Joker doesn't die at the hands of Batman, but by Harley Quinn, angered after Bud and Lou were killed by Mr. J... Catwoman goes MIA after criss-crossing the globe in search of various valuable jewels. Two Face finally gets a grip on his bad side, and successfully has surgery to correct his disfigurement. He patches things up with former fiancee Grace Lamont and marries her shortly after. Penguin FINALLY gets caught in illegal activities and spends the rest of his life in prison.... I think that pretty much somes up the major ones...

[TimTwoFace]

I dunno, this is a toughie - I have this idea in my head about what will happen in a Batman/Robin/Batgirl/Nightwing/Gordon/Two-Face/Alfred showdown, but I haven't pounded out the fine details yet.

If anyone here happened to read my "No Man's Island" segment of my newsletter months back (if anyone remembers...:) ), I had a lot of "final story" ideas for many of the Batman characters - but then again, many of them were far too adult-oriented to actually be put on a TV show that is child-friendly. Whoopsie. :D

-Tim

[BatKid]

I didn't get to read it TimTwoFace, so can you please post it here or post a link to it? I would love to read it and see your thoughts on what should happen to the characters of the story.

[TimTwoFace]

My NO MAN'S ISLAND storyline is held at the BATMAN: THE ANIMATED NEWSLETTER ARCHIVES, at the following link:

<i><A HREF="http://www.toonzone.net/news/btan/">Go here or else!!!</A></i>

It's in Issues #75-93, with a "pre-game show" in Issue #74 (which explains how the contest works). Remember, this wasn't written just by me, but by everyone; as with A DEATH IN THE FAMILY, where people phoned DC in to say whether Jason Todd should live or die, our subscribers e-mailed me with their choices for who should get voted off the island in that installment.

Hope that helps!

-Tim

[TimTwoFace]

There we go! Try that!

-Tim

Try THIS one! (http://www.toonzone.net/news/btan)

[The Guitar Slayer]

I've said it once, I'll say it again:

Alfred dies peacefully in his sleep at the age of 105 after having a midnight snack of tea and crumpets.

Let's see, for the rest of them....

I'm working on stuff in terms of fan fics, so this is how far I've thought it out:

Dick and Barbara marry and live happily ever after, raising little vigilantes.

After seeing Tim in BB:ROTJ, I decided to have him grow to 6'6" of solid muscle and be the next Batman.

Terry becomes Robin instead.

Harley Quinn recovers and becomes Harleen again. She does die tragically, though. There is a Parisian connection, but I don't want to give too much away.... :p

Bruce...well that would give everything away, including the Parisian connection...but he does find happiness and the right girl in the end. He steps back from the abyss.

[The Game]

Alfred- Dies peacefully in his sleep

Bruce- Mysteriously disapears one night when in old age- rumor has it he underwent some operation to have his brain transplanted into a younger body...

Dick and Barb- Eventually they get together one last time.

Harley- The Joker kills her eventually.

[Ricochet]

Harley - After all those years, she lashes out and kills the Joker in a fit of rage.

Catwoman - Goes crazy and turns herself into a real cat lady.

[TimTwoFace]

Wasn't Harley's fate already sealed in ROTJ? She fell into that chasm, vanished into anonymity, and then reformed.

Though I do think the Joker SHOULD try to kill her at one point for some reason - we all know he wants to.

-Tim

[The Guitar Slayer]

Originally posted by TimTwoFace
Wasn't Harley's fate already sealed in ROTJ? She fell into that chasm, vanished into anonymity, and then reformed.

Though I do think the Joker SHOULD try to kill her at one point for some reason - we all know he wants to.

-Tim

Tim, we're discussing not in BB continuity, but rather what we personally would like for the characters if we were given the opportunity to write an Elseworlds. Feel free to post. :)

[Borg4of3]

Batman-
Okay, I know this sounds completely absurd, but I'd want Bruce Wayne to end up actually succeeding in his mission, ending all crime on Earth and living in the following utopia, finally putting away the cape and cowl. Problem is, Batman ain't about happy endings, especially ridiculous ones. :(

Joker-
I can see him continuting his insanity, each act of violence becoming more and more deadly and heartless. But I'd like to see him have one shot at redemption, only to bastardize it, die and go to heck where we can watch him suffer for the rest of eternity.

The rest of the Arkham gang, however, I'd want them someday to reform; Mad Hatter finding another love, TwoFace finally putting away the coin and going back into law, Ivy becoming a strong advocate (not too much an activist) in environmental issues, etc.

[catwoman]

I like the dark knight returns. I think I'd keep everything, but Selina would join Bruce on his quest.


As for the Arkham inmates:
I think that the Ridder would reform completely and maybe even join forces with Bruce

Posion Ivy would flee to a differnet country and oporate with a eco terrorist military coup and find true love

Harley would be killed by the joker in a profoundly unclimatic event

And as pointed to in TDKSB, Arkham would be cut off and the inmates would eat their own dead...

Ra's Al Guhl would work with Luthor in exchange for knowledge of the Lazaras pits

Talia.... I don't know, I'm an old softy. She finds true love and writes a bestselling book about the Electra Complex.

Harvey Bullock, Rene Montoya, Summer Gleeson all die violently and honorably.

Dick's a carbon copy of Bruce, but sees what his life is leading to so he's all angsty about it.

Hmmm.. can't think of anything else.

[TimTwoFace]

Oh, this isn't a BATMAN BEYOND post? Oh, in that case...

<b>The Joker</b>
I say he's going to get killed in battle with Batman at some point; something like what happened in ROTJ is about right, but without the whole microchip-in-Tim's-head thing going on. It has to be a death that is NOT ambiguous, where there is a body in plain sight.

<b>Two-Face</b>
After a long extended battle with Batman (over a number of weeks - or months - or whatever) and doing some rather nasty things to the Bat-team, he discovers somehow (somehow??) that Bruce Wayne and Batman are the same, gets really really depressed and upset with himself; thus, his good side takes a good and shoots his bad side - so basically it's a suicide. Or would that be a double-homocide?

Anyway, both these "endings" were written in my "No Man's Island" story that I wrote for the newsletter; I left a link for anyone curious to read it in a previous post on this string.

:)

-Tim

[The_NewCatwoman]

Double homicide, ha ha!

I've always liked the idea of Bruce fathering Selina's children, whether in marriage or not, they just seem like the ultimate DNA structure to produce babies from.

NEway this follows TLH's, Dark Victory's and DK1's continuity's:

Bruce retires (duh), and has a few babies by Selina and they all go live in seclucion off on some private island, in South America. But only after Selina burns her Catwoman suit, and make ammends to all the people she stole from, including her dead father Carmine Falcone, and her brother Mario.

Dick and Babs get married and have a kid, but Babs gets killed, and then Dick marries Helena Bertinelli and they have even more kids. But their relationship is forever strained as she feels that Dick hasn't managed to get over Babs.

Tim becomes the new Batman, freeing Bruce from his all-ecompasing duties, so that he can raise a family. Tim eventually passes the cowl down to his protege Carrie Kelley, but she soon quits after the two fall in love and find it impossible to live two separate lives. They leave the cowl unclaimed, and run off to live under new aliases in Los Angeles.

Harvey manages through some freakishly intense therapy sessions forced upon him by Jim Gordon and the rest of the GCPD to free himself of Two-face's control forever. He finds Gilda, and finds that she somehow was miraculously impregnated the last night they spent together, and live in peace with their secrets and their son.

Harley has a child by the Joker, and realizes that their lifestyle is no place for a little girl. She runs off and moves to Sydney, Australia to raise their daughter. The Joker doesn't even realize she's gone at first, but becomes enraged that she took their daughter off someplace, and stalks them for ten years. They end up killing each other in a gun battle, leaving their daughter an orphan.

Renee and Harvey realize that they have an attraction to each other and get married, they have a mess of kids and both live to retirement. They grow old together until Harvey dies of a heart attack in his sleep.

Comissioner Gordon and his wife Barbara raise reunite only to divorce permanently, Barbara takes their son James once again, and Jim remarries Sarah. He is forced to retire on his seventieth birthday, and lives the rest of his days smoking Cuban cigars, and watching baseball.

Poison Ivy is exiled to Cuba where she falls for dictator Fidel Castrol, they marry but because she is unable to bear children, Fidel has her murdered by the CIA in a trade off for them to stop trying to assasinate him. (I'm sorry, I've started cracking up, this is hilarious!)

I think I've covered all the bases, wait, oh yeah, Mr. Freeze is locked away in a special cell for all of eternity inside of a polar ice block. He goes mad, and tries to kill himself by bloodloss, by biting off half of his tongue. It doesn't work.

[TimTwoFace]

Wow, all your people are destined for lovin' and child-birthin' - except poor Mr. Freeze...that's about the only thing he cares about, and to see all his comrades move on, that would drive him even more mad.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm pleased with how the "finale" of each character has been handled on BATMAN BEYOND:

-Bane vanishing into handicapped anonymity
-Freeze getting one last shot at redemption but, because of Blight, gets screws out of it
-Ra's al Ghul and Talia's cloning/brainwaves/whatever thing they did in OUT OF THE PAST was really cool
-Batgirl would eventually follow in the footsteps of her father
-Robin would part with bitter ol' Bruce but, eventually, would reunite and be on speaking terms
-Gotta love that bitter old Bruce
-Harley would stay just as she did in ROTJ - die ambigously and never be heard from again, as a criminal, civilian, or otherwise
-The Joker would be killed by Robin, just as in ROTJ, but that would be it, the end of the movie, right there - no future Joker, no microchip implant, or anything...when the Joker's dead, he's DEAD...I mean, he's not a rocket scientist.

Seriously, I think all of these endings were handled well. I still consider BATMAN BEYOND to be the official ending of the Bat-mythos - though that doesn't in any way limit the story possibilities in the current continuity.

As for everyone else, with the exception of Alfred and maybe Gordon, I only have tragic endings in store for them in my mind - particularly with the villains.

-Tim

[King Ryan7708]

I'll try this...

Harley & Joker
Joker will accidently (purposely likely :p) kill Harley. He's always abusing her, pushing her around and throwing her off buildings, and one day she actually dies. People wrote something like this already but its gonna happen. Joker finds a new henchwench, actually two who go by Dee Dee (hey I loved those girls from Batman Beyond! :D ) who actually are Harley's long lost younger sisters. After years of working with him, they discover Harley was their sister and kill Joker. (Im bad at this :p )

Poison Ivy
She takes over the rainforest in South America, and actually becomes somewhat part plantlike.

Two Face
He gets a brand new face and a new life. But still from time to time suffers from split personality disorder.

I'll try more later...

[TimTwoFace]

As far as Two-Face is concerned, I think just physically fixing the face will do little for him in the long run. If anyone has read Bruce Timm's great 8-page story in one of the BATMAN: BLACK AND WHITE issues (I think it was the first one), you'll see what I mean. Harvey can not repress the beast within for long!

-Tim

[BatKid]

Some of my following endings will be closely related to Batman Beyond's ending for the characters.

Bane

Becomes handicapped. Well, that's pretty obious since he's been taking all that Venom. He kind of didn't deserve it since he grew up serving his father's sentence and being a criminal when he grew up.

Harley

She finally realizes that Joker will never fall in love with her, and she seriously hurts Joker before leaving to a different state. She gives up crime and she finally finds her true love. They have kids and have a happy life. She's left with her grand-kids when her son and his wife die. Harley takes care of her granddaughters, but they just can't seem to listen to old Harley. They become part of a gang and lead their own separate lives from Harley. Their gang? The Jokerz. ;)

Mr. Freeze

His life would be lonely. He finds a hideout there and seals himself in, with no none to be with him, like Bruce. :D

About 5-10 years later, Fries figures out that his wife's current husband died of a heart-attack, and Fries goes to console his wife. They fall in love and they are together again. Fries workds hard to find an antidote to solve his disease, and he finds one. Fries keeps his suit and freeze gun, and now fights crime along with the GCPD.

Joker

When Harley runs away from him, Joker gets enraged, and is desperate to find Harley, and kill her. But before Joker does that, he wants to get rid of Batman once and for all. *Cue in the flashback ROTJ uncut scene, minus Harley* When Joker is in Tim's body, he finds some interesting new members for his new crew, The Dee-Dee's. *Now cue in the whole Uncut ROTJ film*
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I'm satisfied with these endings, and I got most of my ideas from the BB continuity, so I thank Timm, Dini, and the whole crew for their great ideas.

[The_NewCatwoman]

Originally posted by TimTwoFace
As far as Two-Face is concerned, I think just physically fixing the face will do little for him in the long run. If anyone has read Bruce Timm's great 8-page story in one of the BATMAN: BLACK AND WHITE issues (I think it was the first one), you'll see what I mean. Harvey can not repress the beast within for long!

-Tim

I read it, well only the two-face story since it was by Paul Dini.

NEway, it was incredible. I thought Marilyn had a better name, but she was evil too. I mean:

**Slight to moderate Spoiler**

She put glass in her sister's milk when they were eight, and then she killed her just so she could have Harv'.