Birds of Prey

[Sugar Daddy]

The premise of the show, at least from what i've heard, is a gotham where batman is on a self-imposed exile....but in the comics thats not the case. Is the premise being made up? I'm confused

[Barb Gordon]

Originally posted by Sugar Daddy
The premise of the show, at least from what i've heard, is a gotham where batman is on a self-imposed exile....but in the comics thats not the case. Is the premise being made up? I'm confused

Yeah, the whole point is suppose to be that the series takes place in a post-Batman Gotham. And that because Bats has gone into exile or given up the cowl (as if!),the Birds of Prey have stepped in to watch over Gotham. The premise is obviously being made up because that's not how it is in the comics. I mean, not even the characters, save Babs mostly, are the same in the comics as they are making them in this series. I'm not really sure why they have to make it post-Batman either, it doesn't really make sense to me. They're really going out on a limb it seems, to be messing with how BOP really is, and still hoping that people will like it. Then again, most viewers don't know much about BOP, and might like the series....which I think sucks, since it's not the real BOP.

Barb^-^

[Sugar Daddy]

cool, thanks

[Ed Liu]

Howdy all,


Originally posted by Barb Gordon
They're really going out on a limb it seems, to be messing with how BOP really is, and still hoping that people will like it. Then again, most viewers don't know much about BOP, and might like the series....which I think sucks, since it's not the real BOP.


While I think they are messing a lot with BoP, why is that automatically a bad thing? The X-Men movie messed with the comic history pretty severely, but I didn't think the movie sucked simply because they did that. For that matter, both the Batman and Superman animated series messed with the comics continuity/history, and ended up producing lots of stuff that got adopted by the comics.

The key, I think, is keeping true to the series' underlying principles. IMO, the bedrock of BoP is the relationship between Barbara Gordon and Dinah Lance, how they balance each other's strengths and weaknesses, and how they manage to work in the shadow of someone like Batman. Most of the resulting changes they're making in the series are targeted at drawing in more than just a comic book audience, but I think the core principle of the show is the same.

That said, there's still no guarantee that the show won't suck. This is Hollywood interpreting a comic book property, after all.

-- Ed/Ace

[Karkull]

Originally posted by Ace the Bathound
While I think they are messing a lot with BoP, why is that automatically a bad thing? The X-Men movie messed with the comic history pretty severely, but I didn't think the movie sucked simply because they did that. For that matter, both the Batman and Superman animated series messed with the comics continuity/history, and ended up producing lots of stuff that got adopted by the comics.

In my book there's a big difference tweeking some details (the X-Men's costumes, Brainiac being from Krypton) and making major changes (Batman leaving Gotham and renouncing his mantle). It just seems wrong.

[TimTwoFace]

I'm not a regular reader of BIRDS OF PREY - I only collect crossover issues, really - so can someone explain to me why it's so cool? I've read the afformentioned bits and pieces and it doesn't really "wow" me. Am I blind?

-Confused in Canada

[Justice League 2000]

hello my good friends is bruce wayne going to be in birds of prey?
and what about catwoman is she going to be on the show to? :)
if bruce wayne going to be in the show I want to know why he give up the cape and cowl? :bosko:

[Barb Gordon]

Seeing how they plan on BOP being post-Batman, I don't think he'd be in it. And, according to one review, Catwoman dies in the pilot episode. I actually didn't think that there were that many huge changes in the X-men movie. But with BOP, they really seem to be heavy on the changes. I would love it if they focused on Barb and Dinah, that'd be great. What I don't like, and am fearing to see, is what they're doing with Huntress...the fact that she's even in this supposed BOP live series freaks me out. Not only is she not really in BOP at all, I mean come Barb dislikes her a lot, but they're totally remaking her past...so that she's the daughter of Catwoman and Batman....?!?!

Barb^-^

[TheScarecrow]

Am I the only one that would rather see a well-done live action Batman TV show then this? I mean why have hamburger when you can have steak?

[PeppeRaskell1]

Originally posted by TheScarecrow
Am I the only one that would rather see a well-done live action Batman TV show then this? I mean why have hamburger when you can have steak?

I'm surprised about the Harley Quinn character being in this "Birds of Prey" thing. The Harley Quinn I remember from the BTAS cartoon was a bit of a ditz, and loyal to the Joker even when he was mean to her. The "Harley and Ivy" episode, where she left the Joker's gang and teamed up with Poison Ivy is the Harley episode that stands out in my mind. (I'm voting for it in when it comes up in the next "Favorite BTAS" poll when it shows up on the ballot.) What'll you bet her character gets unditzed for the show.

BTW, hamburger is versatile. You can make just about anything you want out of it. That's why you never find any at the supermarket when you get off work at night. (I oughta know, I work in one.)


"It is to laugh, huh, Mr. J?"--Harley Quinn, "Joker's Favor" episode, BTAS (I'm suprised I still remember this one!)

[Clark J. Kent]

You commented that Birds of Prey is about Barbara and Dinah, and that's what will make it good.

Unfortunately, that is not the case. From my understand, Dinah will have a limited role on the series. She will be a regular, yes, but I don't believe she'll be the central focus. It seems like Huntress (Helena Kyle) will be the major heroine in the show, which is really stupid, if you ask me.

After all, if not for "Black CANARY" why is the series even called "BIRDS of Prey"? Or am I just missing something? (It's possible! :p)

[Bic]

Originally posted by Barb Gordon
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Not only is she not really in BOP at all, I mean come Barb dislikes her a lot, but they're totally remaking her past...so that she's the daughter of Catwoman and Batman....?!?!


Well my memory is not what it used to be, but (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) wasn't the pre-crisis Huntress the daughter of Bruce and Selina?

As for the show, I'll watch it, but it already has a couple of strikes against it, the major one being the age of BC.

[peterparker05]

Bic is right. The Huntress Birds of Prey is using is the pre-crisis Huntress. In fact, if memory serves the Helena Wayne became the Huntress in a post-Batman-Gotham after her mother, Catwoman, died.

[Ed Liu]

Howdy all,

To peterparker05 & Bic:
If you want to be super-duper accurate without actually being right =8^), the Huntress that was the daughter of Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle was from Earth-2, where the Golden Age Batman hung out with the Justice Society of America (vs. Earth-1 with the Silver Age Batman and the Justice LEAGUE of America, where Batman & Catwoman never got it on enough to have a kid).

Of course, I'm not a comics history expert, so I could be wrong about that.

To Clark J.:

Um, were you talking to me? If so, my point was that BoP was about the relationship between Barb & Dinah. In the show, they're changing it to Barb & Helena, who seems to be closer to the Black Canary of the comics anyway (has a mother involved in the business, at least). The meta-point was that slavish devotion to the comics does not a great movie/series make, when most people who were bashing the show were doing so purely on "It's not like the comics" grounds.

THAT said, after reading the script review on Ain't It Cool News, I've long since decided that the show is probably going to suck very, very badly, regardless of how faithful or unfaithful they are to the comics.

-- Ed/Ace

[BLACKHEART]

I don't read it and I won't watch it. The modern attitude towards superhero shows can be summed up with "give me teens and give me far out stories that touch them." The quality of the Batman movies reflects the attitude of aiming the character towards children instead of reaching a happy medium for us all to enjoy.

Look at some of the hero genre shows of the past few years.

Xena, Hercules, Smallville, Buffy, Dark Angel, and Black Scorpion.

I never watched Xena, watched Hercules when I was in middle school, maybe before. I could watch the show the, but I can't endure the pain of watching it now. It was a joke show.

Smallville, never will watch it. I can't bare to see the Icon at the same high school with Brandon Walsh and Dillon McKay.

Buffy was a great show and then it went to a 4th season. Dark, very dark. Watched it last night and I should have spent the time cutting my stomach open and pouring gas into the wound.

Dark Angel and Black Scorpion

I must first start by saying I've not seen a single episode this season of Dark Angel because of it's Friday timeslot. Sure I could use my VCR but I don't want to.

These are the only two shows with super heroes in the last 10 years that I can still watch. Both are dark. The Black Scorpion show was a lot like a modern Batman. It was based on costumed characters. The girl even had a batmobile. I often wish they'd make a Batman tv show but I'm afraid it would end up like the orginal.

I think I should have left it at won't watch it because it won't be handled right. Just like the shows above.