Ben 10: Race Against Time ratings (DBZ, turn in your crown)

[livingfruitvirus]

Well forget Chowder. Cartoon Network's celebrating this now.


Young Ben Tennyson proved his supernatural delivery and ratings strength last Wednesday night when Cartoon Network premiered the original live-action movie special BEN 10: RACE AGAINST TIME (8:00 p.m., ET/PT), setting all-new records as the most-watched telecast in Cartoon Network history, according to preliminary data from Nielsen Media Research. The 90-minute live-action film delivered 3,987,000 viewers age 2+, out-performing the network’s 2002 presentation of Dragon Ball Z, which previously held the #1 ranking. This outstanding performance propelled BEN 10: RACE AGAINST TIME to the #1 telecast of the day on all television—among both cable and broadcast—with boys 6-11 and boys 2-11. Moreover, Cartoon Network posted its most-watched day ever in total day delivery with kids 6-11 (785,000), kids 2-11 (1,101,000), boys 6-11 (615,000) and boys 2-11 (840,000).


BEN 10: RACE AGAINST TIME also scored as the most-watched Cartoon Network telecast in more than five years among kids 6-11 (1,466,000) and kids 2-11 (2,084,000), narrowly missing a November 2001 telecast of Dragon Ball Z and a January 2002 telecast of Scooby-Doo and the Cyberchase, respectively.


Additionally, BEN 10: RACE AGAINST TIME set a new record as Cartoon Network’s most-watched telecast ever among boys 2-11 (1,621,000). The made-for-TV film also tied Cartoon Network’s current record as the most-watched telecast among boys 6-11 (1,210,000), which equaled a 2001 telecast of Dragon Ball Z. Online at CartoonNetwork.com, last week’s Cartoon Network Video sneak peek of BEN 10: RACE AGAINST TIME garnered the #1 most-played video spot with nearly 666,000 plays. Also, the Ben 10: Race Against Time “Savage Pursuit” online game secured 14.8 million game plays since its Oct. 15 launch.

BEN 10: RACE AGAINST TIME Premiere (Wednesday, 8 p.m.) vs. the same 2006 time period
Persons 2+ delivery (3,987,000) increased by 86%, and ratings (1.4) by 75%—best performance in Cartoon Network history
Kids 6-11 delivery (1,466,000) grew by 115%, and ratings (6.0) by 114%—top performance since Nov. 2001
Kids 2-11 delivery (2,084,000) improved by 137%, and ratings (5.2) by 136—top performance since Jan. 2002
Boys 6-11 delivery (1,210,000) expanded by 122%, and ratings (9.7) by 120%—tied best performance in 2001
Boys 2-11 delivery (1,621,000) catapulted by 142%, and ratings (7.9) by 139%—best performance in Cartoon Network history

[PC!]

If this doesn't lead to live action out the wazoo, I don't know what will.

[Space Cadet]

Wow, 9.7 with Boys 6-11, I'd never thought I'd see the day that would happen.:eek:

It's good to see the success for CN, although I wish it was a cartoon. I didn't realize DBZ held that many records for CN. At least we know DBZ was a powerhouse back in the day.

[D Dubbs]

Heh. Best performance ever?

WOW

I thought that the movie would do good, but not THIS good.

[Ekaj-Prime]

...Really, was there any good reason as to why this wasn't animated?

[Gokou Ruri]

I predict a lot more hate on these forums coming soon.

[D Dubbs]

...Really, was there any good reason as to why this wasn't animated?

The primary reason was to gain ratings, I suppose. CN did premiere a full-length animated Ben 10 move earlier this year, but as you can see, it didn't do nearly as well as the live-action one.

[Rolling Cloud]

Well, the Ben 10 movie was on 4-5 times and DBZ is only on once.

>_>


I predict a lot more hate on these forums coming soon.

Don't remind me.

[Space Cadet]

Well, the Ben 10 movie was on 4-5 times and DBZ is only on once.



Well, DBZ got rerun alot back in the day as well.

[D Dubbs]

Well, the Ben 10 movie was on 4-5 times and DBZ is only on once.


Only the ratings for the premiere were counted. It's not like the movie gets better ratings for every airing that it has.

[Rombus]

'Ben 10,' 'Weeds' hit highs
By Kimberly Nordyke
Nov 27, 2007

Cartoon Network set records with the premiere of its live-action/CGI movie "Ben 10: Race Against Time," while Showtime's "Weeds" had its best season finale ever.

The 90-minute "Ben 10" movie, which aired at 8 p.m. Wednesday, averaged nearly 4 million viewers, according to Nielsen Media Research. That makes "Ben 10" the most-watched telecast in network history, surpassing a 2002 telecast of "Dragon Ball Z."

It also was Cartoon's most-watched telecast in more than five years among kids 6-11 (1.5 million) and kids 2-11 (2.1 million) and ranked as the No. 1 telecast for the day among both demos in all of television -- broadcast and cable.

"Ben 10" also set records as Cartoon's most-watched telecast ever among boys 2-11 (1.6 million) and tied the record as most-watched telecast among boys 6-11 (1.2 million), on par with a 2001 telecast of "Dragon Ball Z."

The movie was based on Cartoon's animated action-adventure series "Ben 10" about a young boy who, with the flick of a powerful alien wristwatch, can turn into 10 different aliens with amazing superpowers.

Online at CartoonNetwork.com, last week's Cartoon Network Video sneak peek of "Ben 10" garnered nearly 666,000 plays, and the online game has secured 14.8 million plays since its Oct. 15 launch.

Meanwhile, the Season 3 finale of "Weeds" averaged 737,000 viewers at 10 p.m. Nov. 19. An encore at 10:30 p.m. averaged 288,000 viewers.

The season finale outdelivered the Season 2 closer by 18% and the first-season finale by 44%.

[Blackstar]

Wow, just wow.

Goodbye, Cartoon Network. Hello, More Live Action Because We're Ratings Whores Network.

I just hope that this doesn't mean CN will renew Out of Jimmy's Head.

[D Dubbs]

Wow, just wow.

Goodbye, Cartoon Network. Hello, More Live Action Because We're Ratings Whores network.

I just hope that this doesn't mean CN will renew Out of Jimmy's Head.

Well, you can't blame CN if the kids like live-action Ben 10.

But you can blame them for making the movie in the first place. XD

[Movie06]

It reallyt did that good? Wow, with those ratings CN will definately ask for a sequel, I guess CN's promoting machine did its job.

[Dudley]

I'm starting to see that the trick to these things, is advertising the movie 3 to 4 months (whenever the first movie came out) in advance.

But no, people, and CN, will view this as means of making more live-action shows and movies. Possibly live-action adaptations of their other properties or something.
Remember that promise that CN will still be about cartoons?
I think I can hear that promise getting thrown out the window.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Damn...

Live action programing is really CN's future.

Jimmy can't beat Chowder so comedy wise CN should stick to cartoons but it's obvious that their best chance at beating Nick and Disney where they want to is with LA action programing. Spider-Man and Batman movies didn't seem to draw significantly but beating or even tieing with DBZ in it's hey day is more than enough to say original LA action productions will do well for CN. Too well for the cartoons to compete.

I have no defenses here and no else does either. Enjoy your cartoons while they last friends, enjoy them while they last.

[HG Revolution]

This is the talkback thread for "BEN 10: Race Against Time" Posts Cartoon Network's Best Ratings Ever (http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=19969).

NOOOOOOOO!

CN is dead.

[GaryPotter]

So I guess all those numbers mean that the back-alley abortion did well in ratings. Well, so what? Good ratings don't mean that something will continue. Remember Megas XLR? How about Rhorouni Kenshin? Samurai Jack? All those shows had great ratings but didn't last. Why? They either became too expensive to produce, or they just lost their appeal. There is NO way CN could produce another thing like this for a long time. They'd go bankrupt. And what would they make? Live-action Powerpuff Girls? Billy and Mandy? There are a finite number of things they could make.

You know, maybe their cartoons would actually do good if CN paid the slightest bit of attention to them. Instead the executive just piss all over them and devote all their time to a bunch of sexually-experimented 12 year olds. For shame.

[GaryPotter]

It's been dead since 2005.

[Silverstar]

I didn't see the movie, as I'm not a huge Ben 10 fan, so I can't comment on that.

CN can (and likely will) continue to pump out live-action drivel if it gives them those much coveted ratings points, but the high reception that Chowder's been receiving will hopefully remind them that there's still some blood to be drawn from the actual cartoon part of Cartoon Network. Honestly, with the writers' strike going on they can't rely solely on live-action anyway.

As long as Out of Jimmy's Head goes down in flames, I'll be satisfied. :evil:

[ShadowGUN]

Whoa!!! :eek: , live action Ben 10 beat DBZ. Guess this mean there will be sequel then:shrug: .

So I guess all those numbers mean that the back-alley abortion did well in ratings. Well, so what? Good ratings don't mean that something will continue. Remember Megas XLR? How about Rhorouni Kenshin? Samurai Jack? All those shows had great ratings but didn't last. Why? They either became too expensive to produce, or they just lost their appeal. There is NO way CN could produce another thing like this for a long time. They'd go bankrupt. And what would they make? Live-action Powerpuff Girls? Billy and Mandy? There are a finite number of things they could make.

Actually good ratings does mean something will continue. That how we got Out of Jimmy Head in the first place.

[veemonjosh]

Jimmy can't beat Chowder so comedy wise CN should stick to cartoons but it's obvious that their best chance at beating Nick and Disney where they want to is with LA action programing.

You do realize that CN won't follow this logic at all and make even more live-action comedies because this movie succeeded, right? :shrug:

[Razor]

Instead the executive just piss all over them and devote all their time to a bunch of sexually-experimented 12 year olds. For shame.

... what?

[Darklordavaitor]

In an earlier post, I said a comment that I feel sorry for kids if Ben 10 is the channel's highest rated show for boys. I take that back. I really, really, REALLY take that back. This is the end days, guys.

[Gokou Ruri]

So I guess all those numbers mean that the back-alley abortion did well in ratings. Well, so what? Good ratings don't mean that something will continue. Remember Megas XLR? How about Rhorouni Kenshin? Samurai Jack? All those shows had great ratings but didn't last. Why? They either became too expensive to produce, or they just lost their appeal. T Uh, those all got pretty bad ratings, actually.. and I seriously doubt Kenshin cost CN much to air, considering it's an acquisition. Those shows just got bad ratings.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Jack and Megas got good ratings for a while. Kenshin did well enough with 9-14 to get on the top 30 for cable with that demo. But none of them beat DBZ so it doesn't really matter.

And yeah Josh, I know they'll assume this means live-action comedies will work for them as well. But I imagine they'll at least show more live-action super hero movies because of this success.

[Kury Wagner]

I'm sorry, I just have to say this-

IT'S A TELEVISION STATION!

Every time I click a link to the CN board, I find yet another thread where people are going, 'woe is us; the world is ending because there's live-action on Cartoon Network.' Yeah, I'm upset, too. I grew up with the station all the same as you guys did. But come on.

So the network is experimenting- it happens. It has happened to generations before us, it will happen to those after us. The only thing is, the generation before us didn't have thousands of message boards to whine on. Maybe Cartoon Network is in a place you don't like right now, but it might get better. This doesn't necessarily mean that CN will go anymore ga-ga over LA than they already have. If anything, I say be happy that they're at least getting some good ratings. That's the whole point to them trying to find different programming. It doesn't mean that they'll only make Chowder and Ben 10 LA clones- it just gives them some hope for their network.

Just... calm down. It's not the end of the world. And it's certainly not the end of cartoons.

[Tay the Cat]

I'm sorry, I just have to say this-

IT'S A TELEVISION STATION!

Every time I click a link to the CN board, I find yet another thread where people are going, 'woe is us; the world is ending because there's live-action on Cartoon Network.' Yeah, I'm upset, too. I grew up with the station all the same as you guys did. But come on.

So the network is experimenting- it happens. It has happened to generations before us, it will happen to those after us. The only thing is, the generation before us didn't have thousands of message boards to whine on. Maybe Cartoon Network is in a place you don't like right now, but it might get better. This doesn't necessarily mean that CN will go anymore ga-ga over LA than they already have. If anything, I say be happy that they're at least getting some good ratings. That's the whole point to them trying to find different programming. It doesn't mean that they'll only make Chowder and Ben 10 LA clones- it just gives them some hope for their network.

Just... calm down. It's not the end of the world. And it's certainly not the end of cartoons.
Have I told you how awesome you are? :D

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Well it is to say... I'm dreading the upfront coming in the first quarter of 2008. They just might inform the public that they are simultaneously dropping Toonami (though I doubt they'll say that exactly, just mention a replacement like with Miguzi/Master Control), putting more live action into development and radically changing their primary focus more towards things that aren't cartoons. But perhaps by then I wont even care. I really just hope Chowder gets renewed because that show is hillarious and easily the best cartoon in years.

[Discloner]

I'm sorry, I just have to say this-

IT'S A TELEVISION STATION!

Every time I click a link to the CN board, I find yet another thread where people are going, 'woe is us; the world is ending because there's live-action on Cartoon Network.' Yeah, I'm upset, too. I grew up with the station all the same as you guys did. But come on.

So the network is experimenting- it happens. It has happened to generations before us, it will happen to those after us. The only thing is, the generation before us didn't have thousands of message boards to whine on. Maybe Cartoon Network is in a place you don't like right now, but it might get better. This doesn't necessarily mean that CN will go anymore ga-ga over LA than they already have. If anything, I say be happy that they're at least getting some good ratings. That's the whole point to them trying to find different programming. It doesn't mean that they'll only make Chowder and Ben 10 LA clones- it just gives them some hope for their network.

Just... calm down. It's not the end of the world. And it's certainly not the end of cartoons.
Now I don't think that's quite fair...

While I'll agree with you that people overreact (and are vastly uneducated in the reality of the world of entertainment) - I hardly think people being upset is something to look down on. From where I'm standing, people have every right to be concerned, miffed, upset, and yeah...even angry at the direction any product they are consuming is taking - even if it's just a 'Television Station'.

People freak out over Harry Potter translations from books to film - and those are 'just' their respective mediums; does that make people's claims for criticism any less valid? Not in my opinion.

People are just passionate about things they enjoy. I happen to immensely enjoy the animation process, on a variety of different levels. To me when a network is established to showcase said medium to the world - it's an opportunity to show the mainstream a glimmer of what I see when think of animation. Cartoon Network's decision to pursue live-action in spite of what the network was established for AND what it's name is, is kind of a slight to that - and that's where most of us come from with our hemming and hollering. They perpetuate this attitude that animation can't possibly be as good, or wonderful, or strong, or appealing, as live-action of the same quality - and it's an attitude that the animation community at large has been fighting off for an insanely long time. It's almost hurtful when a media outlet that has done so much for the animation community places itself in such a position; lots of us have invested time, praise, and enjoyment in the network and to see it go down a path that is clearly wrong and misguided is certainly going to cause a ruckus from those of us who are heavily invested in it.

Is it the end of the world? No. Of course not.
Is it a means for people to get upset? Sure. Why should people just be complacent if they think the network's heading in the wrong direction?

This is a discussion forum is it not? Shouldn't people be discussing their problems with the attitude and direction, rather then just accepting it as change?

In the same line of thought - Cable News networks are slowly morphing into 24 hour versions of 'Access Hollywood'; all because people are fascinated with the lives of celebrity missteps. Should people just accept the fact that hard-line news is being covered up with fluff just because the masses enjoy it? Would it be fine for CNN to retain it's name and identity but change it's content to follow the lives of the Brit-pack; even going as far as to say pop culture news is better then world news?

I personally don't think so - and so I'll say so. I'm not just going to sit back and let the realities of the world be washed away by Hilton's alcohalic escapades. My one voice may mean nothing - but by not voicing my opinion; even on someplace as meaningless as a message board what am I accomplishing?

Cartoon Network may be just at TV network - but to many many many people it's so much more then that. To some it's an outlet for creativity, to others it's inspiration. It's a gateway to a medium that's unrepresented in the mainstream (to a whole generation of anime fans Cartoon Network is what introduced them). It's a tool in the battle against the 'lower class art form' mantra; and it's escapism from the harsh real world into the minds of an artists' imagination. To write it off as 'just a TV network' is a gross understatement and even a tad elitist on your part.

...of course, in my own humble opinion.

[RomanMack]

Well, if the ratings were that good, then that means the masses are liking it. And you gotta please the masses. So, oh well.

[Kury Wagner]

...of course, in my own humble opinion.You mean your arrogant opinion where you flamed me for no reason? It is just a television station. Get off your high horse and realize that. Yeah, the network means a lot to people. Like I said, it means a hell of a lot to me, too. But anyone can attest to the fact that this board is ridiculous with Cartoon Network hatred right now. I did not say anything offensive at all in my post, but you decided to write several paragraphs about why I'm wrong. That makes what you said a hell of a lot more offensive.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

I'm not saying your comment is hurtful Kury but I don't think many people posting in this thread aren't "calm" so the "just calm down" part of your post irked me a bit. And the all capital's mention that's is just a television station is likewise unneccessary. We know what it is, but plenty of people care about considerably more trivial things. So it's not JUST a TV station to some, including you. No one should make a collosall deal out of this but it shouldn't be billittled either.

[Kury Wagner]

I'm not saying your comment is hurtful Kury but I don't think many people posting in this thread aren't "calm" so the "just calm down" part of your post irked me a bit. That's all I'm say'n...I was referring to the board in general, not this thread exact. Although, even your post, 'enjoy your cartoons while they last' was a bit melodramatic.

But screw it. Have fun ranting. I'm tired of this board.

[Rolling Cloud]

<snip>

THANK YOU!!! Uh...um..*Hand-shake*


As long as Out of Jimmy's Head goes down in flames, I'll be satisfied. :evil:

Uh..production for that show crashed for the Writer's strike. I doubt it has a 2nd season.


Well, DBZ got rerun alot back in the day as well.

Yeha, that's true. But, I was referring to currently where it's only aired once.


Only the ratings for the premiere were counted. It's not like the movie gets better ratings for every airing that it has.

It doesn't? I never knew that. Interesting.

[Blackstar]

OK, everyone. Let's try to keep our heads about this. I know that none of us are pleased by what CN is doing right now, but we shouldn't be taking our aggressions out on each other. We're all friends here, right?

Anyways, I don't like the direction that CN is going in right now(anyone who's been here longer than a week undoubtedly knows this by now). The channel may improve over time, or it may not. In any case, I'll live. I never once said that Cartoon Network was my world. CN wasn't my world even back when it was good. Back when Cartoon Network was the Hanna Barbera Reruns Channel, I used to complain that they showed too many reruns and not enough original programming. There were some shows that I watched and some that I didn't because I didn't think they were any good when they were new. Cartoon Network was a good refuge channel that I could come to sometimes, but even back then, I didn't watch it 24/7.

My life had purpose before CN went live action, and it will continue to have purpose after all traces of the the channel that we know of is gone forever. I survived the loss of TechTV, and I'll survive the loss of Cartoon Network.

I complain here on this folder because that's what forums like this exists for, no?

[creativerealms]

At least the Ben Ten movie was a huge improvement over Re-animated quality wise. And well I like that it did fit into the Ben Ten Continuity almost perfectly. A sequal with a higher budget so there can be more and better looking aliens would be nice.

Yeah the hype helped it. God knows hype is the only reason anyone would watch that Highschool Musical tripe Disney keeps throwing out.

But well the Ben Ten Movie ended up being better then I expected. If anything well it means the Ten Ten animated universe CN seems to be content on making is here to stay. For now.

[Blackstar]

I wonder how well Ben 10: RAT would have done if it had been animated (I know that CN would never do this because a) the last Ben 10 animated movie didn't do so well in the ratings and b) because CN has this idee fixee that kids like live action more than animation). A better question would be how much CN would have promoted the movie if it had been animated. I find it difficult to believe that Ben 10: RAT did so well just because it was live action.

[Space Cadet]

I wonder how well Ben 10: RAT would have done if it had been animated (I know that CN would never do this because a) the last Ben 10 animated movie didn't do so well in the ratings and b) because CN has this idee fixee that kids like live action more than animation). A better question would be how much CN would have promoted the movie if it had been animated. I find it difficult to believe that Ben 10: RAT did so well just because it was live action.

Actually, I believe the Ben 10 animated did pretty well in the ratings. Just not as well as the live-action one. And I remember lots of promotion for the animated movie as well. About as much as Race Against Time.

[Discloner]

You mean your arrogant opinion where you flamed me for no reason? It is just a television station. Get off your high horse and realize that. Yeah, the network means a lot to people. Like I said, it means a hell of a lot to me, too. But anyone can attest to the fact that this board is ridiculous with Cartoon Network hatred right now. I did not say anything offensive at all in my post, but you decided to write several paragraphs about why I'm wrong. That makes what you said a hell of a lot more offensive. My arrogant opinion where I flamed you? I believe I made no attack towards you - I just disagreed with your attitude towards those whom are vocal about the network's direction. I immensely disagree with your "it's just a network" statement, and as such submitted my own argument against it.

That's not flaming you...that's disagreeing with you.

In fact, I believe in a few parts of my initial post I agreed with you about the overreaction of some. In my experience on message boards - those whom are attempting to 'flame' others do not at any point agree with their victim's stance; doing such kinda undermines the whole goal of attacking someone in the first place.

...I honestly didn't expect such a hostile reply from someone who was telling others to calm down. I assumed that since this is a message board for certain topics that discussion and opposition of ideas were encouraged or even NEEDED to keep an intelligent discussion and exchange of ideas moving along. Apparently you misconstrue that with me being arrogant and combative?

My intention was never to start a war of words. I honestly cannot think of a single instance in my entire 5 years at Toon Zone where I have replied to someone with the sole intention of ruffling feathers, why would I now? My intention was to suggest perhaps another point of view pertaining to what you wrote - you were the one who whipped out the sharp blade and assumed attack position.

I can't disagree with you without being an arrogant troll? That hardly seems fair.

[Antiyonder]

Uh, those all got pretty bad ratings, actually.. and I seriously doubt Kenshin cost CN much to air, considering it's an acquisition. Those shows just got bad ratings.

As I've stressed constantly, networks tend to show poor judgement in ratings. Once upon a time, a show either did:

1. Extremely great- Everyone watches and/or talks about it.

2. Well- It's not the next big thing but it brings in stable ratings and is at least successful.

3. Extremely poor- You might find two people in existence who likes this show.

For all we know, Samurai Jack, Megas XLR and Kenshin did well. Todays television execs, however, judge a show based on results 1 or 3 rather than taking 2 into consideration. That's why many shows get an undeserving cancelation.

If Samurai Jack for example. was a failure, then wouldn't it have ended on Season 1?

Not every show can be a Spongebob, Hanna Montana or Naruto and to think otherwise is to be delusional.

[GaryPotter]

The Ben 10 movie wasn't successful because it was live-action. It was successful because it was promoted. What many networks don't seem to get is that you can MAKE something a success if you only try hard enough. Look back at 2000. The whole reason DBZ, Sailor Moon, and Tenchi Muyo did so well is because CN pumped the hell out of them. It's as simple as that.

The live-action factor was insignificant.

[D Dubbs]

The live-action factor was insignificant.

Uh...I really don't see how you can say that when the Ben 10: Secret of the Omnitrix was promoted just as heavily as Ben 10: Race Against Time. And Ben 10: Race Against Time probably received at least twice the ratings.

[Antiyonder]

I still think that the main reason why live action is doing better is the mentally going through the viewers mind. See kids today are in a hurry to grow up. And to them and their parents, part of growing up is ditching cartoons cold turkey (unless the cartoon has a good portion of adult content). These post describe it better:


More than ever before. I don't blame kids for not being into older stuff nowadays considering how many other options there are. The world is forcing kids to grow up faster now, and cartoons are old hat.

That's exactly right. Part, or much of this "blame" can be placed on the parents. When I was growing up, it seemed like kids like me had a lot more free time on our hands. In my case, after the Saturday cartoons were over, we would go out and play football or some other games outside unless it was raining or too cold. These days, there are far more demands on kids' time. Their parents are pushing them into youth, school or church sponsored recreational activities like soccer or softball. (I have a 14-year old niece, and she spends virtually every weekend in the winter playing youth basketball, and most of the summer vacation playing softball.) Not to mention extra-curricular activities like clubs or varsity sports like football or basketball. Schools are assigning more and more homework. Add to that, kids are often participating in volunteer work in the community. And kids have to began preparing for college as early as the sixth grade these days. College admissions officers look at kids' participation in extra-curricular and extra-scholastic activities just as much as they do grades on admission decisions. With all these pressures on kids' time, they may be far more selective on what television they DO watch, and they might tend to watch shows that feature characters in their age group going through much the same experiences they are.

Even Cartoon Network contributes to the attitude. A few comments about Race Against Time that support my opinion.


Winter stated at the 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007) upfront presentation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upfront_presentation) that he wants Ben 10: Race Against Time "to look like X-Men (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men_%28film%29)," an epic adventure that will be "more cinematic than cartoony" and appeal to all ages.

Says it like being cartoony is a bad thing. Graham Philips (actor who played Ben) said that the movie wouldn't be childish. Pretty much saying that a cartoon is childish.

I mean they don't have to like animation, but they don't need to pass it off a juvenile either.

[Movie06]

Come on, Michael Bay did say something similar when it came to Transformers.

[Dr.Pepper]

Well I hope that CN is satisfied. Also I thought that the "Best Day Edder" marathon had the highest ratings in CN's history.

[D Dubbs]

Well I hope that CN is satisfied. Also I thought that the "Best Day Edder" marathon had the highest ratings in CN's history.

Best ratings of 2007, actually.

[RockmanDash]

Dbz lost its #1 rank:crying:? I need some time alone now:sad: I guess I cant be surprised since kids love Ben 10 and all >_>

[Dudley]

Dbz lost its #1 rank:crying:? I need some time alone now:sad: I guess I cant be surprised since kids love Ben 10 and all >_>

Truth be told, I didn't know DBZ had the #1 rank.

It seems like the only things that can get that rank now, is
more live action movies
Chowder (in due time)
or acquired programming.

I'm hoping for the last two.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

If you notice, DBZ still has the all time best ratings for CN among kids 6-11, although Ben 10 tied it for boys 6-11.

Evidently DBZ is more popular with girls than Ben 10. Go figure.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

I am not surprised, my mom and I watched the film just about every time it was on the past week and while the acting was so-so there was an obvious effort to put something good together. Whether or not Cartoon Network takes this as a sign that kids love live action programming over animation is something we will not exactly know at this point, although in the coming months expect for Winter and his crew to gather up and begin pre-production on a sequel. At the very least this film deserves itself a sequel--and while I would prefer it be in theaters--so long as the budget is higher and the SFX better, I'll be okay. Look on the bright side, this film at the very least had something to do with the animated series, that's better than it just being something CN pulled from their hats.

Respectfully,
Jacob T. Paschal

[GaryPotter]

If you notice, DBZ still has the all time best ratings for CN among kids 6-11, although Ben 10 beat it out for boys 6-11.

Evidently DBZ is more popular with girls than Ben 10. Go figure.

Hell yeah. DBZ is an action-packed in your face show, with tons of likable characters. Ben 10 is just another school based movie everyone other channel has done better.

[Blackstar]

So basically, what it sounds like I'm hearing is that kids these days still hold on to this archaic belief that animation is strictly for wee tots, and they don't want to appear "uncool" by admitting that they like to watch them, which is what's prompting CN to believe that kids prefer live action over animation. CN wants kids to think they're "cool", and that pumping live action programming down everyone's throats is the way to accomplish this goal.

Here's what I think: The animated Ben 10 movie could have done just as well as the live action movie did. RAT just got more exposure and was more heavily promoted than the animated Ben 10 movie was. Mainly because the 1st Ben 10 movie was animated, it was considered to be entertainment strictly for the kiddies, while RAT, because it was live action, was thought to have broader appeal.

Movie06 is always saying to "give things a chance". Well people really need to give animation a chance. So much more can be accomplished through animation that simply can't be done in live action. The Simpsons comes to mind. That would a fairly limited show if it were stuck within the limits of live action. The problem is that too often, people dismiss something that's animated as being nothing more than a "kids' cartoon" before they've even seen it. You want close minded, that's close minded.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

So basically, what it sounds like I'm hearing is that kids these days still hold on to this archaic belief that animation is strictly for wee tots, and they don't want to appear "uncool" by admitting that they like to watch them, which is what's prompting CN to believe that kids prefer live action over animation. CN wants kids to think they're "cool", and that pumping live action programming down everyone's throats is the way to accomplish this goal.

You can do your part to remedy that by educating others in the philosophy that animation is not just for kids, but for everybody.

EDIT: Boy, we sure could use a shirt though, could not we?

[GaryPotter]

It seems like it keeps going back to the executives decision that the channel is only for kids 6-11. Throughout its history that was never the case. They made their programming safe for children, of course, but they didn't limit themselves. Now they seem to be basing everything solely on what they perceive that demographic is interested in.

That being said, there's no way they could become a live-action hybrid network without changing their name. The cable and satellite companies would have a fit if a channel supposedly about animation suddenly started showing half live-action. That would endanger their contracts. And like some of you said, they don't want to change their name because its recognizable. These facts alone will hopefully hold them back, although I am not at all optimistic.

[D Dubbs]

It seems like it keeps going back to the executives decision that the channel is only for kids 6-11. Throughout its history that was never the case. They made their programming safe for children, of course, but they didn't limit themselves. Now they seem to be basing everything solely on what the perceive that demographic is interested in.

That being said, there's no way they could become a live-action hybrid network without changing their name. The cable and satellite companies would have a fit if a channel supposedly about animation suddenly started showing half live-action. That would endanger their contracts. And like some of you said, they don't want to change their name because its recognizable. These facts alone will hopefully hold them back, although I am not at all optimistic.

Wow. For once, I actually agree completely with everything you just said. That was probably your best post ever.

[Leviathan]

I wish I could think of a good MacBeth quote to put here, but it's SO hard to memorize lines from it.

[Matt Hazuda]

The ratings newspost (http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=19969) has been updated with new PR about the movie doing rather well over the Thanksgiving holiday. Give it a glance for more info.

[Antiyonder]

So basically, what it sounds like I'm hearing is that kids these days still hold on to this archaic belief that animation is strictly for wee tots, and they don't want to appear "uncool" by admitting that they like to watch them, which is what's prompting CN to believe that kids prefer live action over animation. CN wants kids to think they're "cool", and that pumping live action programming down everyone's throats is the way to accomplish this goal.

Here's what I think: The animated Ben 10 movie could have done just as well as the live action movie did. RAT just got more exposure and was more heavily promoted than the animated Ben 10 movie was. Mainly because the 1st Ben 10 movie was animated, it was considered to be entertainment strictly for the kiddies, while RAT, because it was live action, was thought to have broader appeal.

Movie06 is always saying to "give things a chance". Well people really need to give animation a chance. So much more can be accomplished through animation that simply can't be done in live action. The Simpsons comes to mind. That would a fairly limited show if it were stuck within the limits of live action. The problem is that too often, people dismiss something that's animated as being nothing more than a "kids' cartoon" before they've even seen it. You want close minded, that's close minded.

Exactly. Here's what I feel the old and new management of the network conveys:

1. Old CN Management- Watching cartoons are cool. They're just as legitament as any other medium.

What supports my opinion is that bumper they had with all of those cartoon sidekicks such as Robin (Superfriends) and Boo Boo for instance. Basically on Cartoon Network was the one place that the term cartoon isn't a bad word

2. New CN Management- Cartoons are for children only. Anyone over the age of 12 should be ashamed of watching them.

What supports my opinion is of course the crew members tossing around the word cartoony like it's a bad thing. And as Blackstar mentioned, they make it a point to mention that since the movie is live action, it's more suitable for adults.


The cartoons would get the same equal viewings and ratings as live action if they would adopt the belief of the older management. Tell your audience that cartoons are cool, and they'll be willing to watch them more often.

[DBZNarutoWarrior]

Well, you can't blame CN if the kids like live-action Ben 10.

But you can blame them for making the movie in the first place. XD

I think I will go with blaming them with option number 2 thanks....

Hopefully Naruto can bash Ben 10 someday for SOME reason... I mean it's our most promising animated show I think. Maybe Shippuden Premiers can be able to.:p Anyways, I hope some show beats this live-action movie soon, that's for sure. We don't want this to go to the execs balloon sized heads......:shrug:

[Ykwia]

Yes, What we're thinking is that Live Action is forcing Cartoons out of the Kids Market. Live Action is screaming. "Cartoons are old news, Live action is where it's at.".

[macattack]

Actually, I could see how the success of the movie could be beneficial for the network (gasp!)

Number one, Ben 10 is not a bad cartoon. So the whole quality factor means something because Ben 10 is going to get massively promoted whenever possible now. Alien Force is going to get promoted months before it premiers. The remaining three episodes of the original Ben 10 is going to get advertised heavily as well.

What matters is that the movie is an extension of the cartoon. They are not going to turn Ben 10 into a wholly live-action enterprise. It is still going to be a cartoon first and foremost. We might see another live-action movie when the WGA strike ends, but until then . . . it's cartoon only.

Number two, this might cause Cartoon Network to pause on their 'phasing action out' kick. Ben 10: RAT was certainly not a boring movie, and it was also surprisingly serious when the Star Trek doctor was not onscreen. This might have saved Santo and means that the Secret Saturdays and Transformers might receive more advertising dollars and time. It might also be Storm Hawks' eventual salvation as well, for SH is similiar to Ben 10 in its mix of goofiness and action. It might also give CN reason to scoop up more action acquisitions.

Look at the potential positives as well as the potential negatives, people.

[Master Toon]

Number two, this might cause Cartoon Network to pause on their 'phasing action out' kick. Ben 10: RAT was certainly not a boring movie, and it was also surprisingly serious when the Star Trek doctor was not onscreen. This might have saved Santo and means that the Secret Saturdays and Transformers might receive more advertising dollars and time. It might also be Storm Hawks' eventual salvation as well, for SH is similiar to Ben 10 in its mix of goofiness and action. It might also give CN reason to scoop up more action acquisitions.

I don't get it. :confused:

[Rolling Cloud]

I don't get it. :confused:

He's saying that it may cause CN to start considering more shows that are more "action-y", due to how good Ben 10 did. It may also help Transformers and Storm Hawks.

[Master Toon]

He's saying that it may cause CN to start considering more shows that are more "action-y", due to how good Ben 10 did. It may also help Transformers and Storm Hawks.

Oh, ok.

[GaryPotter]

The ratings newspost (http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=19969) has been updated with new PR about the movie doing rather well over the Thanksgiving holiday. Give it a glance for more info.

That's a lie. Ben 10 was not their first live-action movie. Their first live-action made for TV movie was that stupid Re-Animated crap.

[Tay the Cat]

That's a lie. Ben 10 was not their first live-action movie. Their first live-action made for TV movie was that stupid Re-Animated crap.
Re-Animated was a hybrid, so it doesn't count.

[kid rabbit]

it was a hit for the same reason the transformers and spider man movies were hits. It's fun to see your faverite cartoons in live-action once in awhile and the creaters diddn't want to wait 20 years to make a live-action ben 10

[{Shadow}]

That's a lie. Ben 10 was not their first live-action movie. Their first live-action made for TV movie was that stupid Re-Animated crap.
They meant that it was CN's first live-action movie based on Ben 10, not their first-ever live-action movie.

[bigddan11]

I think I will go with blaming them with option number 2 thanks....

Hopefully Naruto can bash Ben 10 someday for SOME reason... I mean it's our most promising animated show I think. Maybe Shippuden Premiers can be able to.:p Anyways, I hope some show beats this live-action movie soon, that's for sure. We don't want this to go to the execs balloon sized heads......:shrug:
The way things are going, you'll see CN aquire the DBZ live action movie after its theatre run, and that will be what beats Ben 10's premiere rating.

[Master Toon]

Re-Animated was a hybrid, so it doesn't count.

How come the movie is considered a hybrid but the series is considered as live action.


The way things are going, you'll see CN aquire the DBZ live action movie after its theatre run, and that will be what beats Ben 10's premiere rating.

Laughing Out Loud While Pouring Orange Juice In A Can That Was Previously Baked Beans In My Pajamas Over At A Friends House.

It's not right to judge a movie before it's made but sometimes you make exceptions for certain ideas. I don't think CN will bother trying to get that movie, besides it might be years before they can acquire it.

[TheVofSteel]

Laughing Out Loud While Pouring Orange Juice In A Can That Was Previously Baked Beans In My Pajamas Over At A Friends House.

Huh? :confused:

Also, about that DBZ live-action movie, hasn't that been in development limbo for like 5 years? Or did something new surface?

EDIT: Nevermind...Googled it and found the article...

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/arts/story.html?id=5d8321ec-4d55-40bd-ae6c-742949303ea9

[Antiyonder]

Actually, I could see how the success of the movie could be beneficial for the network (gasp!)

Number one, Ben 10 is not a bad cartoon. So the whole quality factor means something because Ben 10 is going to get massively promoted whenever possible now. Alien Force is going to get promoted months before it premiers. The remaining three episodes of the original Ben 10 is going to get advertised heavily as well.

What matters is that the movie is an extension of the cartoon. They are not going to turn Ben 10 into a wholly live-action enterprise. It is still going to be a cartoon first and foremost. We might see another live-action movie when the WGA strike ends, but until then . . . it's cartoon only.

Number two, this might cause Cartoon Network to pause on their 'phasing action out' kick. Ben 10: RAT was certainly not a boring movie, and it was also surprisingly serious when the Star Trek doctor was not onscreen. This might have saved Santo and means that the Secret Saturdays and Transformers might receive more advertising dollars and time. It might also be Storm Hawks' eventual salvation as well, for SH is similiar to Ben 10 in its mix of goofiness and action. It might also give CN reason to scoop up more action acquisitions.

Look at the potential positives as well as the potential negatives, people.

Number One: I have nothing against Ben 10 whether it's the cartoon or Race Against Time.

Number Two: My problem was that the crew members made a few anti-animation statements. Statements like the movie is better because it's cinematic, not cartoony or adults will like because it's not kiddish.

See, cartoons in general would actually be on par with live action if networks (not just Cartoon Network) would stop conveying the message that "Cartoons are for kids, 40 year old virgins and the mentally handicapped (Though I happen to fit this description).

Number Three: Those of us who do watch Cartoon Network do so because we don't let the public telling us what we do and don't like. I have no doubt in my mind that people in general would watch cartoons if the "Cartoons for Kids" sterotype was to die down.

[Draft]

It also was Cartoon's most-watched telecast in more than five years among kids 6-11 (1.5 million) and kids 2-11 (2.1 million) and ranked as the No. 1 telecast for the day among both demos in all of television -- broadcast and cable.

Holy **** on a ******* Sandwich with *** on top. And a side of ****

I'm gonna call the Ben 10 Live Action Series to air around January 2009 with a new movie..

[Master Toon]

Huh? :confused:

You never heard of LOLWPOJIACTWPBBIMPOAAFH? It's just like LOL.


I'm gonna call the Ben 10 Live Action Series to air around January 2009 with a new movie..

I don't know. I think Cartoon Network's cheapness will keep them from spending money on a Ben 10 series where CGI is a must.