banned toons in other countries

[ota]

Well I started this thread to discuss what happens with the blacklisted toons in other countries...
I live in Brazil and we can see a lot of stuff that was banned by here, yet the banned toons are getting scarcer...
Cartoon Network programming is local, and a little different thant U.S. There´s an average 2-month delay in the new shows, and stuff like LNBW and ToonHeads are long gone.
Most of the "big censored" list are not shown from decades... but I have seen many of them when I was a child.

Programming in our local CN or WBKids is done more by this rule: if there are dubbed copies (I mean dubbed by spoken in Portuguese) they show the cartoons, if the dubbing is lost they skip them.

When CN started some of the cartoons had the sound in English (for example SuperRabbit) then when they changed to all-portuguese-spoken toons it disappeared. Now they redubbed it and it went back into the programing.

I´ve not noted the lack of Speedy Gonzales in CN but I´ll watch for it closely, since I knew from this post zone they banned all speedys. But Speedy is still shown often in WBKids (we have Looney Toones in both chanels -CN and WB- here).

In the past, WB ran the post-48 and CN the pre-48 packkage, but after the merger of Turner/WB the post-48 went to Cartoon, still the pre-48 are not shown in WB.

We can see also the Looney Tunes in TWO open networks (one has the pre-48 and the other one has the post-48 and formerly only warner-owned Looneys.

The prints are different -- sound varies if you watch the same cartoon in open TV or in CN.

Also, the scenes that were cut can be seen sometimes. I watched a Donald Duck/Chip&Dale toon in open TV where Donald Was smoking in its entirety...

also, there´s NO banning in Walter Lantz cartoons shown in our local FoxKids. Toons with black people are shown often. I remarked more of one time seeing the Woody Woodpecker Show in foxKids that surely some of the toons would be never be shown again in the US

I´d like to know how it is in other countries... I´ll be watching closely everything to report if they run toons that have been banned... I´ve seen Mississipi Hare in our cartoon not long ago.

Ota

[Billy]

Ok,judging how I think only me and hippety hopper live in the UK here,here's my short report.

Basically not much to say except most Tom and Jerry and Looney tunes are uncut. Bugs and Daffy is on every day-but it's 20 minutes long and it's at 3.20am GMT!

No Acme Hour,LNB&W,Tex Avery or Bob Clampett show.

The BBC (Britsh Broadcasting Corperation) used to show Tom and Jerry,Looney Tunes and Terrytoons up until Cartoon Network took them all up. I can't remember seeing any edits.

All Mammy Two Shoes are redubbed except for 'Part Time Pal' 'A Mouse In The House' 'The Mouse Comes To Dinner' 'Triplet Trouble' 'Polka Dot Puss' and probably 2 or 3 more (I haven't seen them all yet)

The Tom and Jerry's that are cut are 'Life With Tom', 'The Little Orphan', 'The Milky Waif', 'A Mouse in the House', and 'The Truce Hurts',edited the same way as America. There are rumors that 'His Mouse Friday' is uncut but I have yet to see the cartoon air.

The Looney Tunes I've seen cut are 'Crazy Cruise' and 'Confederate Honey'

CNUK seem to not air any pre-1943 Looney Tunes or post 1964 Cartoons,except the Road Runner ones.

Obviously the Censored 11 haven't been seen yet,but I've seen a few of Bugs's censored 12,including Mississippi Hare.

[Joe Tully]

Originally posted by BillyH


The BBC (Britsh Broadcasting Corperation) used to show Tom and Jerry,Looney Tunes and Terrytoons up until Cartoon Network took them all up. I can't remember seeing any edits.



You guys get to see Terrytoons! :eek:

I know that the UK also gets Pink Panther. All we get are LT/MMs and MGM toons, plus Popeyes and the PD Betty Boops on LNB&W...which we probably won't see anymore.

[Pietro]

I heard that in Germany, the WWII cartoons are banned.

-Pietro:D

[Dub]

Originally posted by Pietro Shakarian
I heard that in Germany, the WWII cartoons are banned.

-Pietro:D

Gee, I wonder why? :p

[Billy]

Sadly,when Cartoon Network got the license I haven't seen Terrytoons since :(

BUT the BBC used to show 'Daffy The Commando', and the whole of 'Der Furerer's Face' was on a documentary on a channel the other day!

[YPSmitGimmick]

Originally posted by Pietro Shakarian
I heard that in Germany, the WWII cartoons are banned.

Not all.... "Blitz Wolf" was aired in german television in a "Tex Avery Night" (4 Hours of Avery Cartoons after midnight) and was available on a "Best of Tex Avery" video.

But we have no big problem with stereotypes... I see "Goldilock and the jiving Bears" and "Little Lion Hunter" last year on saturday morning kiddy program. Speedy Gonzales cartoons are shown on a series called "Die schnellste Maus von Mexiko" (The fasted mouse from mexico).

[Tintin]

Don't forget also "Bewitched Bunny". The short where banned on Canada because for "mysogin". Jon Cooke's Censored Cartoons Page where do a special page where this controversy:

The Bureaucrats and Bugs Bunny (http://toonzone.net/looney/ltcuts/cen-witch.html)

[Nelson]

The 1933 Mickey Mouse cartoon, "THE MAD DOCTOR" was completly banned in Britian for decades.I don't know if the cartoon is now shown over there now. :confused:

[Thad Komorowski]

Originally posted by Cartoon Man
Don't forget also "Bewitched Bunny". The short where banned on Canada because for "mysogin". Jon Cooke's Censored Cartoons Page where do a special page where this controversy:

The Bureaucrats and Bugs Bunny (http://toonzone.net/looney/ltcuts/cen-witch.html)


Oh, God, not that crap again... :rolleyes: IT'S JUST A CARTOON, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T WATCH IT.


-Thad

[Mibbitmaker]

Thank goodness (for the Canadian cartoon fans) they made the right decision, including the feminist activist(!). Yes, the comment was misogynist, but it was from the '50s, fa crine out loud! I do cringe somewhat at the comment, myself, fwiw.

All it takes is ONE malcontent sometimes to attempt to dictate what we all get to see. Thankfully they don't always succeed (the cartoon in question stays intact in Canada, Married with Children got to stay on TV, and, while comic books did get stuck with the Comics Code, allowing it to crush EC, the government didn't end up regulating them).

[Larry T]

We in Canada have had a real roller-coaster ride of censorship over the past few decades.

I can remember watching TV as a kid in the late sixties and early seventies, this is basically where I got all my cartoon knowledge from at that time. I have memories of all kinds of cartoons including the Censored 11, all Disneys, MGMs, Terrytoons, Lantz cartoons, Paramounts, etc. Mostly toons were purchased by independent stations and run as-is. As I see, little by little, more of those cartoons in my waking adult years, there's always tons of stuff that I suddenly recall for the first time since seeing them as a kid and can recite it off in synch as the cartoon I currently watching plays..... then I wonder to myself, "How in the world did I even know that???" :confused: I must have memorized it after having seen it countless times when I was little....

In the early to mid eighties the boon of cartoons went untouched and unedited. Local networks had many cartoon shows on at one time featuring the works of all different studios (and I only could afford a limited number of videotapes then, grumble grumble :mad: ).

By the end of the eighties, however, many networks got their scissors sharpened and began removing what they felt was "inappropriate for all viewers". It was then that I noticed a lot of the network-run productions start cutting their classic cartoons to shreds, so I stuck with independent airings and watched the dwindling number of actually funny cartoons vanish before my eyes.

The nineties basically sucked, up to about 1996...

Canada's own YTV picked up a lot of the classic programs and ran them as-is. They are a Toronto-based network that aims its programming at teens and "extreme, weird kids" is less likely to remove material from shows it airs, even up to today. Canwest Global also will run the first airing of most of its shows uncensored, but upon re-runs makes changes it feels are needed. Showcase is an all-out extreme fest..... In general though, we in Canada have pretty liberal attitudes to what is actually offensive and what isn't. If you're attentive, you can usually catch airing of shows without a mar of any kind (a few weeks ago I caught an episode of the British "Are You Being Served?" being aired on one of our locals in which the entire cast dressed up as minstrels in Blackface for the last ten minutes of the show....... :eek: )

[Tintin]

On the movie Bugs Bunny' 3RD Movie Rabbit Tales on Teletoon, the mysogin line where uncut. :D

[Tintin]

Originally posted by Thad K



Oh, God, not that crap again... :rolleyes: IT'S JUST A CARTOON, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T WATCH IT.


-Thad

C'est pas de ca ce que je veux dire Thad! :D

[dendawg]

Originally posted by Thad K



IT'S JUST A CARTOON, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T WATCH IT.


-Thad

That little crack right there is a kick in the b@!!$ to animation fans everywhere! :mad:

[Pilmedium]

I heard that in Germany, the WWII cartoons are banned.
Most of them probably are. Well, the ones that feature German characters as enemies would get some people over there quite upset.

[Tintin]

On Canada, it's the post-1948 WB cartoons are been airing.

[Billy]

Originally posted by Joe Tully


You guys get to see Terrytoons! :eek:

I know that the UK also gets Pink Panther. All we get are LT/MMs and MGM toons, plus Popeyes and the PD Betty Boops on LNB&W...which we probably won't see anymore.

We get the original opening to The Pink Panther Show as well "Think of all the animals you've ever heard about...".

A channel called 'Carlton Cinema' shows colorized Betty Boop cartoons if there's time to spare,and I saw them show a 1950s Screen Song once.

The problem is CNUK have a limited amount of cartoons. If you see a 1940 copyright date,for example,you know it's going to be one of these 3 cartoons-
Ghost Wanted (Shown 3 times over the past 3 days,undubbed) From Toonheads episode 'One Toon Wonders'

The Hardship Of Miles Standish From Toonheads episode 'Fairy Tale Toons'

Confederate Honey (Edited and dubbed. Whoever did this dubbed version though obviously liked this cartoon as it's the best cleaned up copy I've ever seen) From Toonheads episode 'Southern Fried Cartoons'

No others-I've been watching since New Years Day and that's all they've shown. And every show seems to have at least one Bugs,Daffy or Tweety. I've heard this to be called 'The Character Rule'. And of course, no :bosko:. Not even any :yakko:, :wakko: or :dot:!

[Tintin]

Last night on Acme Hour where airing "Big Heel-Watha" a satire of Little Hiawatha. Why CN air this short? It's starring a indian and why not "Horse Hare" and "Hiawatha's Rabbit Hunt"? :mad:

[Jason Furness]

Late Nite Black and White was kinda good at showing uncut and "unsuitable" cartoons to us American CN viewers. One night, not too long ago, they had an hour almost entirely devoted to "Injun cartoons". They even showed a cartoon I never thought would ever show up on TV as long as TV still exsisted - a "Captain and the Kids" cartoon about hunting Pygmies. Pygmies!

During earlier hours, though, our CN is rather arbitrary regarding censoring offensive or outdated racial caricatures. They'll cut out the scene in "Detouring America" with the blackface caricature hitchiking in Alaska but leave all the blackface in "Dragonball" unedited. :confused:

[Lucky Bob]

Here in Belgium, we usually get to see the uncut versions of cartoons. They have some great American cartoons over here, but they usually use them as fillers when nothing else is on. Most of them are subtitled, but if you buy them on video, tchances are they are dubbed. :mad:

For the record, BTW, I am as American as apple pie, I just happen to live here.

[BlueAngelGal]

Originally posted by Jason Furness
Late Nite Black and White was kinda good at showing uncut and "unsuitable" cartoons to us American CN viewers. One night, not too long ago, they had an hour almost entirely devoted to "Injun cartoons". They even showed a cartoon I never thought would ever show up on TV as long as TV still exsisted - a "Captain and the Kids" cartoon about hunting Pygmies. Pygmies!


Do they even show Late Night Black & White anymore? I haven't seen it in the lineup in a while :(.

[Lucky Bob]

Once over here, I saw a Tex Avery cartoon that I KNOW isn't shown in the States anymore. It involved an old black man, "Uncle Tom" spinning a tall tale to a whole bunch of black kids. At the end, one of them said "Uncle Tom, is that story true?" and Tom said "If dat story ain't true, may de lightnin' strike me dead!" Quite predictably, that happens. And then, one of the kids remarks, "You know, we lose more Uncle Toms that way!"

I'm not racist in any way, but I thought the wacky Tex Avery style of the cartoon was funny. Can anyone help me put a title to this cartoon? Thanks.

[Daffyfan2002]

Ota, maybe you should make tapes of the Looney Tunes shows on the WB and sell copies of them. That way, we'd be able to see the Speedy cartoons in the United States. I'm sure a lot of people would be willing to pay for those.

[Joe Tully]

Originally posted by BlueAngelGal


Do they even show Late Night Black & White anymore? I haven't seen it in the lineup in a while :(.

No, sorry. It has been removed from the schedule. :(


I'm not racist in any way, but I thought the wacky Tex Avery style of the cartoon was funny. Can anyone help me put a title to this cartoon? Thanks.

Uncle Tom's Cabana :)

[ota]

Originally posted by Daffyfan2002
Ota, maybe you should make tapes of the Looney Tunes shows on the WB and sell copies of them. That way, we'd be able to see the Speedy cartoons in the United States. I'm sure a lot of people would be willing to pay for those.

even if I taped the toons with the original sound in the SAP settings, the taping would be in Pal-M!!! That´s the system of broadcasting. Not Pal-N, but Pal-M!!! Not in NTSC. No one in US would be able to see it.

Ota

[Daffyfan2002]

I see. Well, it was just a suggestion.

[ota]

About the Speedy toons: it´s banned now in CN, but it was not banned a short whle ago. Maybe some dvd or tape is still available in the market. And lots of Laserdiscs and tapes now off-catalog showed some Speedys, so it´s not impossible to make a good Speedy collection.
Surely not all the Speedy were put in video or laserdisc, but who cares about those 1964 ones?

[rodney]

Actually, I think even some of those were put on video. Check the Looney Tunes Video Show series.

[Daffyfan2002]

I do. As, I mentioned before I read in reference guides about the cartoons in the later Daffy/Speedy series and some of them sounded like they might be worth viewing. And some Daffy/Speedy's I remember from Nicolodeon and the WB were pretty good.